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Hitmen77
07-15-2005, 12:08 AM
Here's another negative Sox article:

http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/columns/kadner/x14-pkd1.htm

You know it's going to be bad when you read the title: Sox fans should beware Shoeless Joe's curse.

This is the worst:
"Carlton Fisk. C'mon. They're building a statue of him out in Boston."

Uh, someone tell this guy that they're building a statue of Fisk on the south side!

TornLabrum
07-15-2005, 01:08 AM
Okay, I already wrote the reply to this guy's column back around the end of October or beginning of November. I don't feel like emailing him so if somebody would like to do me a favor....

Here's the link: http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=2&id=2704.

TommyJohn
07-15-2005, 06:35 AM
Okay, I already wrote the reply to this guy's column back around the end of October or beginning of November. I don't feel like emailing him so if somebody would like to do me a favor....

Here's the link: http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=2&id=2704.

Where in the HELL does this guy get his info? Veeck was strapped for cash
after the 1959 pennant so he traded away most of the young players,
including Aparicio???? What was this guy smoking before he sat down and
wrote this pathetic piece of garbage? And I won't even get into his
yap about players on the Sox being compared to the Holy Trinity of Banks,
Williams and Santo. OK, I will.

He yaps on about how the home run record for the team was "a pathetic
29." 29 is not a good home run record, I'll concede. But he then gushes
that Banks, Williams and Santo were routinely hitting 30 in Wrigley. Yes,
and those "pathetic" White Sox teams were always in contention. They
never won anything, but the Cub teams of the same era routinely finished
in the second division, despite all the home run heroics; then they had one
92 win season sandwiched around a spate of contending seasons. I'll take
the teams that were in contention over the home run heroics any day.

Of course, I should point out that the White Sox did finally get a 30 homer
guy when Bill Melton hit 33 in 1970. The White Sox went 56-106, but hey!
They finally had someone hit 30 like Billy, Ernie and Ronnie!! Woo hoo!!

Let me say it again. Garbage. If Newton Minow read Chicago sports news,
I think he would say "Geez. And I called television a vast wasteland?"

ChiFabulous1
07-15-2005, 07:52 AM
"But any fan who is thinking about buying World Series tickets isn't thinking clearly."-

Any writer who writes about a curse isn't thinking clearly

MUScholar21
07-15-2005, 08:11 AM
The Curse of Shoeless Joe is so potent people can't even mention it aloud. You know why no one mentions it? It doesn't exist. No one believes it exists. Stop talking about it like we sit and worry about it.

This is the problem-everyone sees how the Cubs and Red Sox are/were able to milk their 'curse' for revenue, fans, and attendance. They feel the need to make themselves look special by having a curse. NEWS FLASH: The strike in '94 was going to happen regardless of who was in 1st. NEWS FLASH: A curse doesn't exist just because a guy in a newpaper with a circulation of 129 people says so. NEWS FLASH: The reason the Cubs, Red Sox, White Sox, and every other team that at one point or another was running away with the division did not win the World Series is because they choked.

This is more of a non-story than White Sox attendance.

The Racehorse
07-15-2005, 08:41 AM
There's something more at work on the South Side. I call it the Curse of Shoeless Joe.

Nice try.

jackbrohamer
07-15-2005, 08:54 AM
A curse column. How interesting. I understand wanting to pinch out a fast column if he wants to leave work early and go golfing or something, but he should be embarrassed about being this lazy.

Tragg
07-15-2005, 09:00 AM
The only thing that article lacked was a good pimping of Santo for the hall of fame.

SOXSINCE'70
07-15-2005, 09:14 AM
:chickenlittle :chunks


'Nuff said. I haven't read the article,and I won't now.:angry: :angry:

Iwritecode
07-15-2005, 09:21 AM
I believe Torn's sig says it all.

Curses are nothing but exuses for losing.

TommyJohn
07-15-2005, 10:58 AM
I believe Torn's sig says it all.

Curses are nothing but exuses for losing.

True that.

I wonder what his excuse is for his complete ignorance on the subject of
White Sox history.

maurice
07-15-2005, 11:16 AM
Looks like slaphead here is trying to seize Crowley's title of biggest :dtroll: at the Southtown.

MsSoxVixen22
07-15-2005, 11:17 AM
I believe Torn's sig says it all.

Curses are nothing but exuses for losing.

Well put! I think the scrubs have more "curses" than fans!

TornLabrum
07-15-2005, 11:25 AM
Well put! I think the scrubs have more "curses" than fans!

I look at it somewhat differently. I think every "fan" the Cubs have is part of their curse. Every season they spin the turnstiles three million times is another year Andy MacPhail can say to his bosses at the Tribune Co., we don't need to improve the product.

Steakpita
07-15-2005, 11:59 AM
I love his writing style, where every sentence is its own paragraph. It really makes thing punchy and accessible to 3rd graders and below... coincidentally, pretty much the only people who would take that article seriously. I am about to email this guy and :angry: the living hell out of him. If it turns out good and I get a response, I'll throw it up here. Part of me says its really not worth the effort... but the vast majority wants to make this guy feel REALLY stupid. Oh man...

Lip Man 1
07-15-2005, 12:00 PM
I wrote him and his reply was pretty good. He said, 'I channeled Shoeless Joe and he said 'beware the playoffs...'

Lip

slavko
07-15-2005, 12:05 PM
The guy's writing style

of one short sentence to a paragraph

is an attempt to make you think

he's saying something profound

when he isn't.

He must get paid by the column inch. Telander is guilty of it, too. It's irritating in any case.

Dan H
07-15-2005, 12:10 PM
I don't think the column is worth getting upset about. It is pointless. No, the World Series is not a sure thing. But I do like the Sox position much better than the Cubs, their Hall of Fame tradition not withstanding.

Iwritecode
07-15-2005, 12:44 PM
I look at it somewhat differently. I think every "fan" the Cubs have is part of their curse. Every season they spin the turnstiles three million times is another year Andy MacPhail can say to his bosses at the Tribune Co., we don't need to improve the product.

I've been saying this for years. I've tried to explain it to a few Cubs fans but they don't seem to comprehend it...

The only "curse" Sox fans have (and I'm really stretching here) is having to share a city with the Cubs "fans".

Then everyone in the rest of the country automatically assumes that being from Chicago = Cubs fan. :angry:

Steakpita
07-15-2005, 02:09 PM
Hello,

I don't know if you read responses to columns or take them seriously. I hope
so, because after what I read today on the Southtown website, you could really
use some help.

The Curse of Shoeless Joe?! Honestly now. Here's the thing about Sox fans -
we don't give a DAMN about curses. Leave them to teams like the Cubs and Red
Sox who care more about their stadium and the team's history than the actual
players and managers that they're supposed to be rooting for. Shoeless Joe
and his peers threw that series because Comiskey wasn't paying them enough.
It happened in 1919. Last I checked, the Sox don't even play in Comiskey Park
any more, and none of those players are still alive. And, as you yourself
said, nobody cursed the team. They were punished, they paid the price, what
on EARTH would inspire you to try and come up with some cutesy bull**** like
this instead of covering the actual story going on right now on the
Southside? The Sox have the best record in baseball and are playing with fire
and passion and wonderful team chemistry, and yet you manage to blow all of
that off for the sake of... what, exactly?

You say that the White Sox have had few great players or managers since 1919.
This statement is an INSULT to eighty-six years worth of professional
ballplayers who have given their heart and soul to the team and its fans.
Nellie Fox, Minnie Minoso, Carlton Fisk, Bill Melton, Luis Aparicio, Black
Jack McDowell, Robin Ventura, Ozzie Guillen, FRANK THOMAS (who is a future
first-ballot Hall of Famer), and HUNDREDS of others of great players have come
through this team, and you just disrespected every last one of them.
Congratulations. Insult Bill Veeck for being innovative, but at least he
didn't just sit back and advertise his ballpark instead of his team, like the
Northsiders did to fix *their* crappy attendance in the '50s.

You, sir, just **** all over a hundred years of White Sox history, with few or
no facts to back yourself up. You should be ashamed of yourself as a
journalist. I hope you take this seriously, and not as some kind of rant or
thoughless knee-jerk response. This was the worst piece of 'journalism' or
even writing in general that I have read in years. If you'd like a sentence-
by-sentence rebuttal, I would be happy to provide one, but hopefully you will
have gotten this message resoundingly from Sox fans all over Chicago. I hope
to see some sort of apology or retraction soon from the Southtown for
publishing this irresponsible and insulting fluff piece.



sent to him, his editor, and the managing editor of the Southtown.:angry:

Mark
07-15-2005, 07:16 PM
Hal:

After reading through your old column again I hope everything went well with your son's back surgeries. My wife has the same problem, but its less severe. Nonetheless, back pain is something she has to endure fairly regularly.

Chisox003
07-15-2005, 07:40 PM
I look at it somewhat differently. I think every "fan" the Cubs have is part of their curse. Every season they spin the turnstiles three million times is another year Andy MacPhail can say to his bosses at the Tribune Co., we don't need to improve the product.

Ya, but there's talk of Mark Cuban, owner of the Dallas Mavericks, buying the team...

That'd be tragic, he'd sink more money into the cubs and theyd turn into the dynasty he's built in Dallas....

Oh wait, the Mavs stink...Nevermind

TornLabrum
07-15-2005, 09:28 PM
Hal:

After reading through your old column again I hope everything went well with your son's back surgeries. My wife has the same problem, but its less severe. Nonetheless, back pain is something she has to endure fairly regularly.

Thanks. Yup. He's been with me to about 3-4 Sox games so far and 2-3 Jackhammers games. A month or so ago at one of the latter, he left his jacket in the car on a very cool evening. He started to stiffen up. That's the last problem he's had at a game since. He does have to get up and stretch when he's been sitting down for a long time. That happened when we were at Elkhart for the jazz festival there. He'd get up and walk around between sets if we didn't move to a different venue. He also had to get up and walk around every morning because the mattresses in the hotels were soft.

Considering the degree of his curve, and the prognosis (progressively worse heart and respiratory problems that would eventually kill him), I'd say he's doing just fine.

RavenswoodFan
07-16-2005, 03:38 PM
As soon as I read the word curse I clicked off of the site. Just another mediot looking for a mystical cause of losing!:cuss::thankgod