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Dan H
07-06-2005, 03:27 PM
When Greg Maddux re-joined the Cubs staff last year, we had to put up with the drivel that they were the greatest pitching staff ever. Did these people ever hear of the 1971 Baltimore Orioles? On that staff were four twenty game winners - Dave McNally, Mike Cuellar, Jim Palmer and Pat Dobson. They led their team to the '71 World Series after going to the Series in '69 and in '70. Between these four pitchers were 4 Cy Young Awards, 759 career victories, 17 20-game winning seasons. Baltimore also won division titles in 1973 and 1974. When the Cubs staff do something like this or close to it, their fans can talk about how great they are. First, they have to get back over .500 and stay off the disabled list.

SoxSpeed22
07-06-2005, 03:44 PM
When Greg Maddux re-joined the Cubs staff last year, we had to put up with the drivel that they were the greatest pitching staff ever. Did these people ever hear of the 1971 Baltimore Orioles? On that staff were four twenty game winners - Dave McNally, Mike Cuellar, Jim Palmer and Pat Dobson. They led their team to the '71 World Series after going to the Series in '69 and in '70. Between these four pitchers were 4 Cy Young Awards, 759 career victories, 17 20-game winning seasons. Baltimore also won division titles in 1973 and 1974. When the Cubs staff do something like this or close to it, their fans can talk about how great they are. First, they have to get back over .500 and stay off the disabled list.You forget that the Cubs go by "on paper" ratings. That's much different than "actual" ratings. "On paper", they're supposed to be challenging St. Louis in the division. "Actually", they'd be lucky to be above .500.

Tekijawa
07-06-2005, 03:48 PM
Wood and Prior are on pace to combine for 12 wins this year...

PatK
07-06-2005, 03:54 PM
Hey, that Cubs rotation has 4 Cy Youngs.

All of them belong to Maddux and 3 of them are from when he was with the Braves, but still, it's FOUR CY YOUNGS!!!!

SOXfnNlansing
07-06-2005, 03:57 PM
You forget that the Cubs go by "on paper" ratings. That's much different than "actual" ratings. "On paper", they're supposed to be challenging St. Louis in the division. "Actually", they'd be lucky to be above .500. The Cubs are the greatest pitching staff in simulated games won.:bandance:

Dick Allen
07-06-2005, 04:04 PM
The cubs staff also doesn't come near the Dodgers staff that had Koufax and Drysdale.

eriqjaffe
07-06-2005, 04:10 PM
The cubs staff also doesn't come near the Dodgers staff that had Koufax and Drysdale.
Drysdale and Koufax by themselves are better than the entire Cubs staff. Aside from them, though, the 3 & 4 spots in the Dodgers rotation was something of a revolving door...probably the best 1-4 staff the Dodgers put up was in 66, with Drysdale, Koufax, Sutton and Claude Osteen.

Wow, another Sox fan in Arlington Heights? Who knew?

MrRoboto83
07-06-2005, 04:20 PM
But they have "The Messiah" don't doubt the greatest pitcher ever to play the game

downstairs
07-06-2005, 04:21 PM
They do have a great pitching staff.

Unfortunately for them they're hurt, out of control, old... or some combination of these three.

jackbrohamer
07-06-2005, 05:07 PM
I'd take a rotation of Ditka Ditka Ditka Ditka and Ditka over the Cubs' staff any day. With Ditka as closer, and possibly Ditka as a lefthanded middle reliever.

Steakpita
07-07-2005, 11:29 AM
I'd take a rotation of Ditka Ditka Ditka Ditka and Ditka over the Cubs' staff any day. With Ditka as closer, and possibly Ditka as a lefthanded middle reliever.

:D:

SOXSINCE'70
07-07-2005, 11:46 AM
Drysdale and Koufax by themselves are better than the entire Cubs staff. Aside from them, though, the 3 & 4 spots in the Dodgers rotation was something of a revolving door...probably the best 1-4 staff the Dodgers put up was in 66, with Drysdale, Koufax, Sutton and Claude Osteen.


That 1966 Dodgers team got swept by Frank Robinson and the O's
in the WS.That year ('66),Robinson hit for the triple crown and was
the unanimous MVP of baseball.League MVP's started in 1967.

SOXSINCE'70
07-07-2005, 11:49 AM
Did these people ever hear of the 1971 Baltimore Orioles? On that staff were four twenty game winners - Dave McNally, Mike Cuellar, Jim Palmer and Pat Dobson. They led their team to the '71 World Series after going to the Series in '69 and in '70.

And that 1971 O's team lost in 7 to Roberto Clemente and the Pirates.
The Pirates repeated the same feat 8 years later with Willie Stargell
hitting a crucial HR in game 7 at Baltimore.

DumpJerry
07-07-2005, 12:53 PM
Well, we're 31 games over .500, cruising to 40 games over. We have four all-stars (Pod's vote total was about 150,000 shy of the top vote getter in the regular balloting!). We play without fear of any opponent. We are The Team.

The Flubs can't get above .500 to save their lives. They have more excuses that we have hairs on our collective heads. It is time to ignore the sniveling excuses for baseball fans and just focus on our guys, the greatest in the land!

Let them claim to have the best pitching staff, let them claim a triple crown candidate (who leads in only ONE category today, BTW). Let them think they are cute, cuddly and loveable. Who cares? They will be attending wine tastings and fondue parties in October while we will be dancing in the streets!

That, my friends, is the bottom line.

balke
07-07-2005, 01:23 PM
I'd rather have Buehrle Garcia and Garland then Prior Zambrano and Wood.

Jerko
07-07-2005, 01:43 PM
The leader of the greatest pitching staff ever is getting his holy ass

http://members.tripod.com/~Zarky/bartspank.gif

today. 6-0 Braves.

fquaye149
07-07-2005, 01:59 PM
I'd rather have Buehrle Garcia and Garland then Prior Zambrano and Wood.

uh oh, here come the disciples to tell you why prior is better than all of them combined...