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Optipessimism
07-06-2005, 01:50 AM
This is interesting...

During Dye's five full seasons, he has averaged 148 games per season. If he does that this year, he will be on pace for 37 HR's (career high) and 88 RBI's out of a lower spot in the order.

I know obviously Magglio has been injured this year, but that's not too shabby for a guy who was considered by many as a huge downgrade offensively from Ordonez. Dye probably won't hit .320, but it is nice to look back and see that in comparison to what Maggs was asking we got a much better deal.

Also, Dye has made some great throws from RF this year. Again, kudos to KW!

TaylorStSox
07-06-2005, 02:14 AM
Don't forget that Dye's a premier RF'er and runs the bases better.



Also, there's something special about the mix of players we have this year. They're all specialists in one area and they care about eachother.

DaleJRFan
07-06-2005, 02:18 AM
I've been waiting for this thread. Magglio who?

Same power numbers, better defense, better baserunner and....

$10,000,000.00 less

Detroit can have him. I am really starting to like Dye, a lot.

Optipessimism
07-06-2005, 02:27 AM
I've been waiting for this thread. Magglio who?

Same power numbers, better defense, better baserunner and....

$10,000,000.00 less

Detroit can have him. I am really starting to like Dye, a lot.

Don't forget we now have an entire outfield that speaks English fluently!

Jjav829
07-06-2005, 02:31 AM
Maybe this was brought up in the postgame thread, but watching Iguchi take out Dye at the knees, did any else have an eerie flashback to the Willie-Maggs play? Really, Gooch, get out of the way. Don't just kneel down.

Banix12
07-06-2005, 02:32 AM
I'm glad Dye finally found his stroke. I was getting worried there for awhile. Not so much that I wanted to jettison him from the team, but worried nonetheless. Sometimes it just takes awhile to get adjusted to a new situtation. He certainly has exploded the last month or so.

Optipessimism
07-06-2005, 02:35 AM
Maybe this was brought up in the postgame thread, but watching Iguchi take out Dye at the knees, did any else have an eerie flashback to the Willie-Maggs play? Really, Gooch, get out of the way. Don't just kneel down.

Glad I couldn't see the game today! I don't want to flashback to the Maggs-Willie crash (mainly because I don't want to see Maggs and Willie on field at all).

Mr. White Sox
07-06-2005, 02:37 AM
Maybe this was brought up in the postgame thread, but watching Iguchi take out Dye at the knees, did any else have an eerie flashback to the Willie-Maggs play? Really, Gooch, get out of the way. Don't just kneel down.

My thoughts exactly.

TaylorStSox
07-06-2005, 02:38 AM
Maybe this was brought up in the postgame thread, but watching Iguchi take out Dye at the knees, did any else have an eerie flashback to the Willie-Maggs play? Really, Gooch, get out of the way. Don't just kneel down.


Just thinking back to last year...........That was Willie's ball. Mags made a bad bet with the devil. He turned down a HUGE contract and was the victim of a bad play.

WhiteSox16K
07-06-2005, 03:17 AM
Maybe this was brought up in the postgame thread, but watching Iguchi take out Dye at the knees, did any else have an eerie flashback to the Willie-Maggs play? Really, Gooch, get out of the way. Don't just kneel down.

I thought the exact same thing. There also have been maybe 1 or 2 times this year (on shallow fly balls to right) that I could've seen it happen and thought back to that moment last year.

Frater Perdurabo
07-06-2005, 08:46 AM
Last night I looked up Dye's three-year splits at ESPN.com. Since 2002, Dye's produced his best numbers early in the season and then has gotten progressively worse throughout the year.

This year, Dye seems to be taking the opposite track: slow start but consistently improving. Let's hope that continues, because it portends well for September and October!

:supernana:

Frater Perdurabo
07-06-2005, 08:49 AM
Also, at this point, Dye is beginning to remind me of Ellis Burks, who admirably filled right field for the Sox in 1993 after an off-year due to injury with Boston in 1992.

Iguana775
07-06-2005, 08:51 AM
Who's this Magglio character?

:redneck

zach23
07-06-2005, 08:52 AM
I wonder if Hanger will join in on the Dye love-fest. Remember, he is washed up and the Sox only signed him because they are cheap.

Flight #24
07-06-2005, 08:54 AM
Maybe this was brought up in the postgame thread, but watching Iguchi take out Dye at the knees, did any else have an eerie flashback to the Willie-Maggs play? Really, Gooch, get out of the way. Don't just kneel down.

And even further back, to the Ozzie ACL that IMO was a huge part of turning a 90+team in '92 into an 86 win team (and no playoffs).

infohawk
07-06-2005, 08:58 AM
I've been waiting for this thread. Magglio who?

Same power numbers, better defense, better baserunner and....

$10,000,000.00 less

Detroit can have him. I am really starting to like Dye, a lot.

That's the key. Magglio is a good player, but no way is he ten million dollars a year better than Dye. Not by a long shot.

34 Inch Stick
07-06-2005, 09:42 AM
I had a real fear about Dye early this season not because of his offense, but because of his defense. He looked slow and foolish in RF on several occasions. Since he was such a great defensive player in the past I thought this was a strong indication that he was done.

What a change. Nobody seems to run on him and he is sure handed. Offensively, he kind of snuck up on everyone. The bad start killed his chances but he is putting up All Star numbers.

And he is signed for next year.

Mickster
07-06-2005, 10:13 AM
:patiently waiting for Hangar to rip Dye and JR's "cheapness": :cool:

fquaye149
07-06-2005, 10:17 AM
:patiently waiting for Hangar to rip Dye and JR's "cheapness": :cool:

OK so Kenny got LUCKY for once. It Doesn't change the Fact that
PAYROLL was an Issue - we could have HAD Carlos LEE
If
JR would Have spent the EXTRA money and THINK of how an
Outfield of LEE in LEFT, Rowand in Center and Ghost MAN in right
would HAVE ended Up.

DaleJRFan
07-06-2005, 10:25 AM
OK so Kenny got LUCKY for once. It Doesn't change the Fact that
PAYROLL was an Issue - we could have HAD Carlos LEE
If
JR would Have spent the EXTRA money and THINK of how an
Outfield of LEE in LEFT, Rowand in Center and Ghost MAN in right
would HAVE ended Up.

:o: Get over it.

Having CLee on the team means NO Podsednik and NO leadoff man, NO "Grinder rule #22", NO "Vote for Scott".... I like CLee, he's a great player and all, but I luuuuvvv Scott Podsednik.

slavko
07-06-2005, 10:34 AM
Also, at this point, Dye is beginning to remind me of Ellis Burks, who admirably filled right field for the Sox in 1993 after an off-year due to injury with Boston in 1992.
Then went to Denver for less money the next year because his wife preferred Denver (IIRC). Dye is here next year.

White Sox Josh
07-06-2005, 10:49 AM
:maggs
But Dye isn't as good of an outfielder as I am. Not with my new and improved knees.

White Sox Josh
07-06-2005, 10:52 AM
OK so Kenny got LUCKY for once. It Doesn't change the Fact that
PAYROLL was an Issue - we could have HAD Carlos LEE
If
JR would Have spent the EXTRA money and THINK of how an
Outfield of LEE in LEFT, Rowand in Center and Ghost MAN in right
would HAVE ended Up.Money wasn't everything in that deal either. They needed a leadoff man. Had they gotten Vizquel than Lee would probably still be around. Also Jermaine is totally out producing Magg$. It's not luck. Before he got injured last year Jermaine was batting .300 and was on his way to a Comeback Player of the Year.

Steakpita
07-06-2005, 10:57 AM
From the sounds of it, he's great for clubhouse chemistry too. All three of our OF's this year are doing their thing... I expect Aaron to heat up around the time when (if?) Jermaine cools off. Not to mention these guys play defense far better than Carlos and Maggs. I mean, I loved El Caballo, but it looks like he's found a new home and our end of the deal ain't half bad either.

way to go, Kenny.

Mickster
07-06-2005, 11:02 AM
OK so Kenny got LUCKY for once. It Doesn't change the Fact that
PAYROLL was an Issue - we could have HAD Carlos LEE
If
JR would Have spent the EXTRA money and THINK of how an
Outfield of LEE in LEFT, Rowand in Center and Ghost MAN in right
would HAVE ended Up.

Am I the only one who got the joke????? :D:

Jjav829
07-06-2005, 11:04 AM
Am I the only one who got the joke????? :D:

No, but we seem to be in the minority. :?: :smile:

Steakpita
07-06-2005, 11:13 AM
I can't read. :?:

fquaye149
07-06-2005, 11:15 AM
Am I the only one who got the joke????? :D:

:wink:

DaleJRFan
07-06-2005, 11:18 AM
Am I the only one who got the joke????? :D:

Are we supposed to put together the words in TITLE CASE to solve the riddle???

OK LUCKY HAD LEE JR EXTRA THINK LEE LEFT MAN HAVE

fquaye149
07-06-2005, 11:19 AM
Are we supposed to put together the words in TITLE CASE to solve the riddle???



now start anagramming:bandance:

maurice
07-06-2005, 12:14 PM
Are we supposed to put together the words in TITLE CASE to solve the riddle???

He wasn't saying how he feels. He was immitating another poster.

Frater Perdurabo
07-06-2005, 12:17 PM
Am I the only one who got the joke????? :D:

I got it.

I still love Hangar, though, in the kind of way that a one straight male Sox fan can love another straight male Sox fan.

:)

Mickster
07-06-2005, 12:52 PM
I still love Hangar, though, in the kind of way that a one straight male Sox fan can love another straight male Sox fan.

http://tbs.com/TBS/Images/Dynamic/i10/seinfeld_jerry_240x260_052820041524.jpg
"Not that there's anything wrong with that!"

TaylorStSox
07-06-2005, 01:07 PM
Am I the only one who got the joke????? :D:

Noobs. :redneck

DaleJRFan
07-06-2005, 01:22 PM
He wasn't saying how he feels. He was immitating another poster.

I know, I was joking. Guess I should call the teal police on myself...