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White Sox Josh
07-05-2005, 04:23 PM
Per ESPN 1000. He has a bad back. Ozuna will be in the lineup.

Huisj
07-05-2005, 04:27 PM
What's up with the left side of our infield and bad backs? Isn't that why Uribe missed all those games for a while?

Ozuna better watch his back.

eriqjaffe
07-05-2005, 04:29 PM
Actually, "back" is a typo. They meant to say "bat".

Please note the lack of teal. ;)

Sonik22
07-05-2005, 04:30 PM
Dang, i picked crede to have a good game today, but i like ozuna. Its unfortunate that he gets hurt when his bat was pretty much starting to come around. except for last night when he had the hat trick.:whiner:

daveeym
07-05-2005, 04:33 PM
OMG OMG OMG OMG, He's getting traded I know it.

Mammoo
07-05-2005, 04:35 PM
Maybe his new team doesn't want him to get injured:D:

mccombe_35
07-05-2005, 04:35 PM
anybody know tonight's lineup? Or a link to it?

Thanks.

veeter
07-05-2005, 04:36 PM
Crede and Uribe probably swing harder than everyone else on the team. Back problems are no surprise. Hopefully it's just precautionary. This is the beauty of a great bench. When Gload gets back look out.

SomebodyToldMe
07-05-2005, 04:37 PM
Actually, "back" is a typo. They meant to say "bat".

Please note the lack of teal. ;)

ZING!

I'm happy my boy Pablo gets to play. I looooove watching him play.

daveeym
07-05-2005, 04:38 PM
Crede and Uribe probably swing harder than everyone else on the team. Back problems are no surprise. Hopefully it's just precautionary. This is the beauty of a great bench. When Gload gets back look out. That pained look on Crede's face after he swings has nothing to do with how hard he swings.

RKMeibalane
07-05-2005, 04:40 PM
That pained look on Crede's face after he swings has nothing to do with how hard he swings.

ZING!

MHOUSE
07-05-2005, 05:08 PM
I like Ozuna a lot and watching Uribe come out of his cleats everytime he swings is a sight to see. Crede sucks. Zing! No...? oh...:(:

gobears1987
07-05-2005, 05:11 PM
Actually, "back" is a typo. They meant to say "bat".

Please note the lack of teal. ;)
So very true. I am proud to not be a FOJC. They need to get rid of him sooner rather than later. He is horrible at the plate. Besides, Ozuna is a terror on the basepaths. I saw him against KC and they were as scared with him on as they were with Podsednik. Besides, his glove has been great lately.

ShoelessJoeS
07-05-2005, 05:14 PM
as much as i like crede, he could use a day off after his glorious hat trick of K's yesterday. plus, i love to watch ozuna play, he plays hard and is exciting to watch.

nothing to worry about tonight, freddy is being unleashed and hes hungry for ray!

ShoelessJoeS
07-05-2005, 05:17 PM
I am proud to not be a FOJC. They need to get rid of him sooner rather than later. He is horrible at the plate.
*long sigh* here we go again.....

shoota
07-05-2005, 05:22 PM
OMG OMG OMG OMG, He's getting traded I know it.

Interesting. Joe Randa sat for Monday's game.

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050705/SPT04/507050363/1071/SPT
DAY OFF: Third baseman Joe Randa was out of the starting lineup Monday. Rookie Edwin Encarnacion started at third.

"I want to keep him rested," Narron said. "It gives Edwin a chance to play."

bartmanisgod
07-05-2005, 05:23 PM
Does anyone know what the lineup is for tonight?

LauraJ14
07-05-2005, 05:26 PM
Does anyone know what the lineup is for tonight?

Pods
Iguchi
Frank
Konerko
Rowand
Dye
AJ
Ozuna
Uribe
per ESPN1000

Chips
07-05-2005, 05:30 PM
Besides, Ozuna is a terror on the basepaths. I saw him against KC and they were as scared with him on as they were with Podsednik. Besides, his glove has been great lately.

I couldn't agree more.

Soxzilla
07-05-2005, 05:40 PM
Those peach fuzz sideburns and that shaggy hair must be weighing down his melon, putting stress on his back.

MarySwiss
07-05-2005, 05:49 PM
*long sigh* here we go again.....

Couldn't agree more. What is wrong with you Crede-haters? Joe's play at third has been LIGHTS OUT! Who cares if he can't hit for average? Randa's hitting for average...and his team is in last place. Last time I looked, we were in first. Still wanna trade?

maurice
07-05-2005, 05:52 PM
Who cares if he can't hit for average?

Is this a poll? Mark me down for "cares if the corner player hits for AVE," especially if he hardly ever walks.

fquaye149
07-05-2005, 06:00 PM
Couldn't agree more. What is wrong with you Crede-haters? Joe's play at third has been LIGHTS OUT! Who cares if he can't hit for average? Randa's hitting for average...and his team is in last place. Last time I looked, we were in first. Still wanna trade?

EVERYONE: please note that this was a RHETORICAL question. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT ANSWER IT.

for the love of bandwith!!!

TaylorStSox
07-05-2005, 06:00 PM
EVERYONE: please note that this was a RHETORICAL question. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT ANSWER IT.

for the love of bandwith!!!

:cool:

MarySwiss
07-05-2005, 06:01 PM
Is this a poll? Mark me down for "cares if the corner player hits for AVE," especially if he hardly ever walks.

So okay, Maurice; are you saying that it would be better to have a guy at the hot corner who walked a time or two, hit for average and played average or below defense than one who didn't hit for average, slammed the occasional three-run homer, and played solid defense?

Say it ain't so, Maurice!

MarySwiss
07-05-2005, 06:10 PM
EVERYONE: please note that this was a RHETORICAL question. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT ANSWER IT.
for the love of bandwith!!!


Thanks. Yes, that was a rhetorical question. But this one isn't; it's one I've always wondered about.

Why-oh-why do so many apparently savvy sports fans underestimate the importance of good "D"?

TaylorStSox
07-05-2005, 06:14 PM
Thanks. Yes, that was a rhetorical question. But this one isn't; it's one I've always wondered about.

Why-oh-why do so many apparently savvy sports fans underestimate the importance of good "D"?

I would stay away from this argument. It'll never end. Nothing good will come out of it.

MarySwiss
07-05-2005, 06:21 PM
I would stay away from this argument. It'll never end. Nothing good will come out of it.

Thanks for the well-meant advice, Taylor, but you need to know that I'm originally Southside Irish. Born in Bridgeport. Means I love/live to argue. So goodbye for now; got to go watch those lousy Toons on MLB. Go Tigers, for once!

:gulp:

maurice
07-05-2005, 06:22 PM
I'm saying that a corner player who doesn't hit for average should walk at a good rate, so that he posts a respectable OBP. A .300 OBP is not a good thing at any position, particularly a corner position. I don't believe I said anything about defense, so I'll say this -- it would be nice if every player was above-average, but this is more important in the middle of the diamond than on the corners.

shoota
07-05-2005, 06:26 PM
EVERYONE: please note that this was a RHETORICAL question. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT ANSWER IT.

for the love of bandwith!!!

Do you expect such a senseless question to pass without a response? "Who cares about batting average"? *** kind of statement is that?

shoota
07-05-2005, 06:27 PM
Why-oh-why do so many apparently savvy sports fans underestimate the importance of good "D"?

I ask you the same about good "O."

TaylorStSox
07-05-2005, 06:27 PM
Do you expect such a senseless question to pass without a response? "Who cares about batting average"? *** kind of statement is that?

It's nice to know that AVG. is part of the Shoota Super Scoring System. :rolleyes:

Mr. White Sox
07-05-2005, 06:29 PM
It's nice to know that AVG. is part of the Shoota Super Scoring System. :rolleyes:

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MarySwiss
07-05-2005, 06:32 PM
I'm saying that a corner player who doesn't hit for average should walk at a good rate, so that he posts a respectable OBP. A .300 OBP is not a good thing at any position, particularly a corner position.

Well Maurice, much as I hate to disagree with a fellow Sox fan--I disagree. Well, actually I don't--entirely--but I think we're comparing apples and oranges, aka, offense and defense. Of course I agree that having a respectable OBP at the corner--and everywhere else, for that matter--is highly desireable, but it's also nice to know that when a ball is hit sharply to third, chances are that the guy playing over there will pick it clean and throw somebody out. And when you've got a team that is built on small ball, great pitching, and protecting 1- and 2-run leads, I think the defense at the corners asumes paramount importance and far outweighs any offensive shortcomings. In short, if your team hopes to win close games--which they have been so far--you need guys like Joe Crede out there playing defense.

MarySwiss
07-05-2005, 06:35 PM
Do you expect such a senseless question to pass without a response? "Who cares about batting average"? *** kind of statement is that?

Obviously, reporters aren't the only people who take things out of context.

maurice
07-05-2005, 06:39 PM
you've got a team that is built on small ball

And small ball don't work if nobody is on base. Small ball also disfavors slow baserunners like our current corner IFers. If you want to win close games, you need players who can get on and get around the bases. Defense is nice also, but if that's the litmus test, Podsednik and Konerko should be benched in favor of Anderson and Gload.

BTW, your post probably is the 1st time in history that the terms "defense at the corners" and "paramount importance" have ever appeared in the same sentence.
:D:

nedlug
07-05-2005, 06:52 PM
The old baseball rules of where you need power, etc., are mostly moot now that many of the great hitters are at positions that aren't really "power" positions. Even still, your 8th hitter can either be a power guy or speed guy, regardless of the type of team you have. Crede is hitting much better than a team's 8th hitter should be. Randa would help in the hitting for average department, would be a downgrade in the power department, slower on the basepaths (not good for the smallball, is it?), and a downgrade on defense.

There you go. Crede stays. I'll take a significant upgrade on O, or pitching. Who doesn't need pitching?

MarySwiss
07-05-2005, 06:53 PM
And small ball don't work if nobody is on base. Small ball also disfavors slow baserunners like our current corner IFers. If you want to win close games, you need players who can get on and get around the bases. Defense is nice also, but if that's the litmus test, Podsednik and Konerko should be benched in favor of Anderson and Gload.

BTW, your post probably is the 1st time in history that the terms "defense at the corners" and "paramount importance" have ever appeared in the same sentence.
:D:

Good point about people having to be on base and be able to advance. And much as I love Konerko, I must admit I kind of cringe when he is on first base (as a runner). However, I still think that what he brings is a worthwhile tradeoff. Plus I never said defense was the litmus test (and BTW back at ya, I don't recall seeing the word "litmus" around much either). I think to win it all, you need a good mixture of offense, defense, and pitching. And I think we have one. (BTW, we are winning close games, so I'm afraid I can't subscribe to that argument.)

Geez, this Web site is addictive!

Tragg
07-05-2005, 07:01 PM
Ozzie's done an excellent job of keeping all the position players fresh - not overplaying them - and giving the bench plenty of chances to play. That's what makes for a fresh team in October. It's also good "chemistry" (if you can't find a bunson burner for Ross Gload to hold, as one poster delightfully pointed out about chemistry).

shoota
07-05-2005, 07:02 PM
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"It's all good, baby! batting average, Sneezes per nine innings, you name it, it's on there!"

LMAO, I saw a few Shooter McGavin pics posted lately, and I guess posters are making the connection to my handle.

I'm still waiting for the, "You suck, shoota!" I guess I'm still waiting because my posts have been so insightful, correct, inspiring and informative, that nobody has had the opportunity to use the quote. :D:

Tragg
07-05-2005, 07:04 PM
I'm saying that a corner player who doesn't hit for average should walk at a good rate, so that he posts a respectable OBP. A .300 OBP is not a good thing at any position, particularly a corner position. I don't believe I said anything about defense, so I'll say this -- it would be nice if every player was above-average, but this is more important in the middle of the diamond than on the corners.

I'd say you need power from a corner position, which is why I'm not as down on Crede (power is his best offensive trait) or Konerko (although he's overpaid) as many are. And most good power hitters have a decent OBP because they're walked a lot. We need more OBP from both, I would agree, because both are below acceptable right now.
I'm more interested in OBP as the key offensive trate for at LF, CF, SS and 2B

fquaye149
07-05-2005, 08:04 PM
LMAO, I saw a few Shooter McGavin pics posted lately, and I guess posters are making the connection to my handle.

I'm still waiting for the, "You suck, shoota!" I guess I'm still waiting because my posts have been so insightful, correct, inspiring and informative, that nobody has had the opportunity to use the quote. :D:

your ball struck my foot

Frater Perdurabo
07-05-2005, 10:11 PM
The importance of good defense at third base is magnified considering both Jon Garland and Mark Buehrle rely on their defense to make outs on ground balls and liners. We really can't quantify the extent to which Crede's glove and arm have helped Sox pitchers this year.

Would more OBP at third base be nice? Sure. But Crede is the #8 hitter. He's still on pace to finish with 25 homers. That's damn nice for a #8 hitter.

According to his 3-year splits, Crede's best months are June, August and September. Let's give him an opportunity to continue flashing his glove and hitting valuable home runs on this run for the pennant.

maurice
07-06-2005, 12:01 PM
Sorry, but I don't find the "he's the #8 hitter" argument to be very persuasive. The reason he bats 8 is because he's a bad hitter, and because he's slower than Uribe. While the 8 and 9 spots often are reserved for defensive specialists, those specialists play C, SS, 2B, or CF -- not a corner position. On a team like the Sox, the guys who don't hit well are expected to be good situational hitters and/or fast runners. Crede is neither.

I also don't buy the argument that HRs alone are a particularly good measure of a player's value. Power is nice, but a better measure of that tool is SLG. Crede's .430 SLG is unremarkable, especially in light of his crappy OBP and lack of speed.

Yes, Crede's D is valuable and unmeasurable, and we obviously can live with Crede at 3B . . . but he's still the worst player in the lineup.

Frater Perdurabo
07-06-2005, 12:25 PM
Sorry, but I don't find the "he's the #8 hitter" argument to be very persuasive. The reason he bats 8 is because he's a bad hitter, and because he's slower than Uribe. While the 8 and 9 spots often are reserved for defensive specialists, those specialists play C, SS, 2B, or CF -- not a corner position. On a team like the Sox, the guys who don't hit well are expected to be good situational hitters and/or fast runners. Crede is neither.

I also don't buy the argument that HRs alone are a particularly good measure of a player's value. Power is nice, but a better measure of that tool is SLG. Crede's .430 SLG is unremarkable, especially in light of his crappy OBP and lack of speed.

Yes, Crede's D is valuable and unmeasurable, and we obviously can live with Crede at 3B . . . but he's still the worst player in the lineup.

Fair enough, but at the very least you have to acknowledge that Crede's slick glove at the hot corner helps the ground ball pitchers on the Sox staff, right?

Therefore, his glove is more valuable to the Sox than to many other teams, yes?

I still think that if the Sox think they need to get a left-handed bat for the stretch drive and the playoffs, they would be better served replacing Paul Konerko at first base instead.