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The Wall
06-30-2005, 05:17 PM
53-24 after 3 months of play!!!!

Garcia Rulez!!!
:winner
:sweep :sweep :sweep

NSSoxFan
06-30-2005, 05:17 PM
:sweep

53!

Keep it up SOX!

ode to veeck
06-30-2005, 05:18 PM
Yaw-Za! Way to go Freddie


did Crede's HR get counted

FielderJones
06-30-2005, 05:18 PM
Nice day for Crede, 2 for 4 with a HR, although the shoota scoring system takes the 9th inning hit away because the Sox were already ahead. Maybe 1 of the 3 RBI gets taken away too, just on shoota principle.

Freddy was absolutely lights out!



:winner (misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=5#)

Brian26
06-30-2005, 05:18 PM
You cheated, dude. This post was up before Rowand caught that ball.

TaylorStSox
06-30-2005, 05:19 PM
I haven't seen the "official" score yet. Are we counting crede's homerun?


Good game all around. Pitching, defense and timely hitting make us the baddest team around.

ramorgan1
06-30-2005, 05:19 PM
WTG Freddy... save the bullpen and pitch a complete game when we need it! Sox Rule

darklord23
06-30-2005, 05:20 PM
no need for the bullpen today, garcia with excellent pitching

Jjav829
06-30-2005, 05:20 PM
I'm not counting Crede's HR because it didn't matter in the end. We just would have won 3-1 instead of 6-1. That HR doesn't count. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

We rule. Bow down to us, Tigers. :bandance:

BTW, the Tigers really blow. And people expected them to challenge us? Ha.

itsnotrequired
06-30-2005, 05:20 PM
woot woot

NWSox
06-30-2005, 05:20 PM
Great game by Freddy and a needed day of rest for the bullpen.

Nice finish by Rowand.:D:

DaveIsHere
06-30-2005, 05:20 PM
Yes!! We Rock!!

BeviBall!
06-30-2005, 05:20 PM
You gotta love AR selling his body out in a 6-1 game. Special team, special year.

dranny32
06-30-2005, 05:21 PM
Let's hope the winning ways continue in oakland.

Buehrle > Wood
06-30-2005, 05:21 PM
This wins marks the high-water mark for the season at 29 games over .500!


53-24 :supernana:

TimoandAaron
06-30-2005, 05:21 PM
*boom**boom**boom**boom**boom**boom**boom**boom**b oom*


That's a WHITE SOX WINNER


:supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :supernana:

Unregistered
06-30-2005, 05:21 PM
:winner

10 1/2 games up on the idle Twinkies.
:bandance:

scottjanssens
06-30-2005, 05:22 PM
53!

Keep it up SOX!


76!

SoxSpeed22
06-30-2005, 05:22 PM
Awesome, long balled our way to this one. Freddy pitches like an all-star (Ahem) and another sweep for us! :bandance::bandance:
:winner
:sweep:sweep

SouthSide4Life
06-30-2005, 05:22 PM
Rowand with another Web Gem catch to end the game... we'll see that one on ESPN tonight:supernana:

Brian26
06-30-2005, 05:22 PM
You gotta love AR selling his body out in a 6-1 game.

Win or die trying, daddy.

Kogs35
06-30-2005, 05:22 PM
that was awesome, nice job freddy :bandance: :bandance: :bandance: :gulp: :gulp: :gulp:

Reminds me of 83
06-30-2005, 05:22 PM
I love the look of Freddy in the Daytime
It looks like ......Victory:smile:

Keep the mo going onto CA

mcfish
06-30-2005, 05:23 PM
Thank you Freddy!!! Amazing performance on a day in which we needed an amazing performance.

CubsfansareDRUNK
06-30-2005, 05:23 PM
:supernana:x53

Hendu
06-30-2005, 05:23 PM
That is exactly what we needed. Thank you, Freddy.

bartmanisgod
06-30-2005, 05:23 PM
This team amazes me. I'm almost at a loss for words. Everytime they lose 2 or 3 in a row they rattle of a big win streak. What are they against the division now like 25-5? That's incredible!

TimoandAaron
06-30-2005, 05:23 PM
White Sox Winner! ...........................YES!!!!!!

Sweep! ..........................................YES!!!!! !

SouthSide4Life
06-30-2005, 05:23 PM
and the Brew Crew slaughtered them Scrubs:bandance::gulp:

Brian26
06-30-2005, 05:24 PM
The pitching on this team is ****ing amazing.

SAVVY18
06-30-2005, 05:24 PM
How SWEEP it is....http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/sweep.gif

Brian26
06-30-2005, 05:24 PM
and the Brew Crew slaughtered them Scrubs:bandance::gulp:

Gee, that's too bad. :whiner:

TaylorStSox
06-30-2005, 05:24 PM
and the Brew Crew slaughtered them Scrubs:bandance::gulp:

:rolleyes:

shoota
06-30-2005, 05:24 PM
Nice day for Crede, 2 for 4 with a HR, although the shoota scoring system takes the 9th inning hit away because the Sox were already ahead. Maybe 1 of the 3 RBI gets taken away too, just on shoota principle.

I never said that either of his two hits don't count in my scorebook. They both count.

DaleJRFan
06-30-2005, 05:25 PM
Crede Rules!

SOXPHILE
06-30-2005, 05:25 PM
:supernana: X 10 1/2


Outstanding job by Freddy, and the offense. Freddy really saved the bullpen today. Even though they won last night, and the bullpen did good, they had to be out of gas. Glad they "got the day off".

Flight #24
06-30-2005, 05:25 PM
Well, we get Harden-Saarloos-Zito v. our Contreras-Garland-Buehrle. I like the matchups with the exception of tomorrow.

But given our history this year, I expect a sweep, then win the first 2 against Tampa and lose the 3d. That would be the requisite 8 ina row after a brief losing streak.

:bandance:

Nice job Freddy. Who says you're not a #1?

ode to veeck
06-30-2005, 05:25 PM
I'm not counting Crede's HR because it didn't matter in the end. We just would have won 3-1 instead of 6-1. That HR doesn't count.

:tealpolice:

Shorty1983
06-30-2005, 05:25 PM
Freddy Garcia=Captain Save-a-Pen

Keep it rolling, onto the west coast.

NWSox
06-30-2005, 05:25 PM
I just went back and checked Freddy's stats - 8-3 3.29 ERA. Those are All-Star numbers too. I guarantee there will be pitchers named to the All-Star team with worse stats than those.

SouthSide4Life
06-30-2005, 05:26 PM
:garcia:yeah thats right 8Ks

PaleHoseGeorge
06-30-2005, 05:26 PM
Thank you, Detroit!

Now keep doing your jobs and go beat the Twins another 6 or so times. There is nothing I will enjoy more than playing that first game against them August 15 with an 18 game lead!

:roflmao:

Brian26
06-30-2005, 05:27 PM
I just went back and checked Freddy's stats - 8-3 3.29 ERA. Those are All-Star numbers too. I guarantee there will be pitchers named to the All-Star team with worse stats than those.

I'd like to see Freddy's daytime stats this year, and his stats over the past year during the day since joining the Sox.

whitesoxfan
06-30-2005, 05:27 PM
I never said that either of his two hits don't count in my scorebook.

what about the Everett homer? Did that matter since we were up 3-1 at the time? Gimme a break dude.

shoota = :dtroll:

meanwhile, just another day at the office...another W :D: That team from Minnesota has an off day, so we gained a half game today on them. Freddy G is awesome. If he were this good at night, he'd win 25 games or so every year :supernana:

MIgrenade
06-30-2005, 05:27 PM
When Freddy is on it's ridiculous. Just have to get him past the first 2 innings.

DaleJRFan
06-30-2005, 05:28 PM
I just went back and checked Freddy's stats - 8-3 3.29 ERA. Those are All-Star numbers too. I guarantee there will be pitchers named to the All-Star team with worse stats than those.

It would be very symbolic for 4 or 5 Sox pitchers to go to the AllStar game for this reason... that's why they are the best in baseball.

Your 2005 White Sox All-Stars: Buehrle, Garland, Garcia, Politte, Hermanson

Brian26
06-30-2005, 05:28 PM
Thank you, Detroit!

Now keep doing your jobs and go beat the Twins another 6 or so times. There is nothing I will enjoy more than playing that first game against them August 15 with an 18 game lead!

:roflmao:

:dmitrifatassyoung

"Well, you know the real race will be between us and Cleveland."

:rolleyes:

FielderJones
06-30-2005, 05:28 PM
:tealpolice:

shoota doesn't put that in teal :tongue:

Buehrle > Wood
06-30-2005, 05:28 PM
This team amazes me. I'm almost at a loss for words. Everytime they lose 2 or 3 in a row they rattle of a big win streak. What are they against the division now like 25-5? That's incredible!

26-5 in the division after today :)

Sxy Mofo
06-30-2005, 05:29 PM
This team amazes me. I'm almost at a loss for words. Everytime they lose 2 or 3 in a row they rattle of a big win streak. What are they against the division now like 25-5? That's incredible!

26-5. Will be able to count the losses to the AL central through the all-star break on one hand. incredible.

Iguana775
06-30-2005, 05:29 PM
Yaw-Za! Way to go Freddie


did Crede's HR get counted

Well, since the Sox were playing the Tigers, no, it doesnt count.

MikeLove
06-30-2005, 05:29 PM
what a nice, sound beating!

DickAllen72
06-30-2005, 05:30 PM
Freddy, Joe & Carl...Yesssss!!!

:bandance: :bandance: :bandance:

Jjav829
06-30-2005, 05:30 PM
I just went back and checked Freddy's stats - 8-3 3.29 ERA. Those are All-Star numbers too. I guarantee there will be pitchers named to the All-Star team with worse stats than those.

Freddy's definitely worthy of consideration at this point. He's going to be a victim of the domination by Garland and Buehrle though. Oh well. Hawk always likes to say that Freddy needs to be get a little pissed off to give him a little extra motivation. Maybe being left off the All-Star team will give him that motivation for the 2nd half of the season.

Unregistered
06-30-2005, 05:31 PM
It's amazing how many Tigers fans were right in calling a sweep before the series started:

http://www.motownsports.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=28828



Their crystal balls must be a little foggy though, cause they were somehow dillusional enough to think that THEY would sweep. :cool:

ChicagoHoosier
06-30-2005, 05:32 PM
I just went back and checked Freddy's stats - 8-3 3.29 ERA. Those are All-Star numbers too. I guarantee there will be pitchers named to the All-Star team with worse stats than those.

We have three legit #1 starters on this team. WOW! Has Freddy been amazing or what lately? Especially after the first inning or two.

chisoxmike
06-30-2005, 05:32 PM
:winner

:sweep :sweep :sweep

Great game all around, could we get to 60 before the All-Star Break??????

Sxy Mofo
06-30-2005, 05:33 PM
It's amazing how many Tigers fans were right in calling a sweep before the series started:

http://www.motownsports.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=28828



Their crystal balls must be a little foggy though, cause they were somehow dillusional enough to think that THEY would sweep. :cool:

I read this one: "I guarantee come the end of the season the Detroit Tigers will have a better record than the White Sox." on another message board. This was from a tiger fan after the sox beat them in game 1 of the series. Because the sox will "choke" like they always do.

nevermind the fact that is a team with a completely different makeup than in years past.

Jjav829
06-30-2005, 05:33 PM
It's amazing how many Tigers fans were right in calling a sweep before the series started:

http://www.motownsports.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=28828



Their crystal balls must be a little foggy though, cause they were somehow dillusional enough to think that THEY would sweep. :cool:

Don't feel bad, Tigers fans. Your team was just another victim of the White Sox steamroller (Hey, idea for a tag maybe :smile: ). Join the rest.

SOXPHILE
06-30-2005, 05:33 PM
:garcia: "You guys in the 'pen kept us in the game through 6+ innings last night. Sit down and relax. I'll take care of things today."

kojak
06-30-2005, 05:35 PM
April: 17-7
May: 18-10
June: 19-7 ??????

Guess we will have to settle for 18-7....

Mr. White Sox
06-30-2005, 05:35 PM
I'm not counting Crede's HR because it didn't matter in the end. We just would have won 3-1 instead of 6-1. That HR doesn't count. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

We rule. Bow down to us, Tigers. :bandance:

BTW, the Tigers really blow. And people expected them to challenge us? Ha.

Omar Infante? Nook Logan? Maroth? Alexis Gómez? Placido Polanco?
*Shakes in boots at impending Detroit rules-the-world apocalypse

shoota
06-30-2005, 05:36 PM
shoota doesn't put that in teal :tongue:

OK, ***. I don't know who's worse. ode to veeck for quoting Jjav's post and deleting Jjav's name from the quote so people might think I was the one who said that, or FielderJones for assuming I was the one who posted that.

I think I'll blame ode more because he was the one who ignored the multiple rolling eyes similes after Jjav's post, which, like teal, means sarcasm. :rolleyes:


My question is: Who's policing the police?
:tealpolice:

Mr. White Sox
06-30-2005, 05:37 PM
My question is: Who's policing the police?


The mafia

fuzzy_patters
06-30-2005, 05:37 PM
Now, we need to go find a way to beat Oakland. If we can find a way to beat those guys, this will truly be a miraculous season. We just need to throw strikes. Those FOBBs are just looking to walk, anyway.

Unregistered
06-30-2005, 05:38 PM
I read this one: "I guarantee come the end of the season the Detroit Tigers will have a better record than the White Sox." on another message board. This was from a tiger fan after the sox beat them in game 1 of the series. Because the sox will "choke" like they always do.

nevermind the fact that is a team with a completely different makeup than in years past.Yeah, those Tigers fans are SEVERELY dillusional.
From watching these three games I think it is clear that the only way that the White Sox are better than the Tigers is that they hit more home runs. In every other way they are pretty close....right.:kukoo:

FloridaSox
06-30-2005, 05:40 PM
....17 and 1 against Detroit and KC--that is taking care of business at the bottom of your division and 26 and 5 aginst the Central is not shabby.

MUScholar21
06-30-2005, 05:41 PM
:hawk
"I LUUUUUV being 26-5 in the AL Central at the mid-way point"

FielderJones
06-30-2005, 05:41 PM
OK, ***. I don't know who's worse. ode to veeck for quoting Jjav's post and deleting Jjav's name from the quote so people might think I was the one who said that, or FielderJones for assuming I was the one who posted that.

I think I'll blame ode more because he was the one who ignored the multiple rolling eyes similes after Jjav's post, which, like teal, means sarcasm. :rolleyes:



I didn't assume you were the one posting that. I was just saying that you wouldn't consider it sarcasm.

owensmouth
06-30-2005, 05:42 PM
....17 and 1 against Detroit and KC--that is taking care of business at the bottom of your division and 26 and 5 aginst the Central is not shabby.

Let's just say 26 and 5 against the bottom of the division...put's em in their place

Cowhead418
06-30-2005, 05:42 PM
I love these games. Great pitching, great hitting and just an all-around relaxing game to watch. 53-24?!? Are you kidding me? If anyone had said we'd have that record after 77 games they would have been tagged with multiple "Layoff the kool-aid man" remarks.:supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :cool: :D: :smile: :redneck :wink:

BlackHat91
06-30-2005, 05:42 PM
We are downright dominating our division rivals. Another great series. What a key complete game by Freddy after our bullpen was used and abused last night. This team continues to amaze.

:gulp:

TaylorStSox
06-30-2005, 05:43 PM
OK, ***. I don't know who's worse. ode to veeck for quoting Jjav's post and deleting Jjav's name from the quote so people might think I was the one who said that, or FielderJones for assuming I was the one who posted that.

I think I'll blame ode more because he was the one who ignored the multiple rolling eyes similes after Jjav's post, which, like teal, means sarcasm. :rolleyes:


My question is: Who's policing the police?
:tealpolice:


You put yourself in this position. Now, you have a reputation for being a :dtroll: who says some rather ridiculous things.

SouthSide4Life
06-30-2005, 05:43 PM
We own the AL Central ....Sox are now 29 games over .500, Freddy retires 21 of 22 staright, and his curve rules.

shoota
06-30-2005, 05:44 PM
what about the Everett homer? Did that matter since we were up 3-1 at the time? Gimme a break dude.

shoota = :dtroll:

I love how people sarcastically interpret my scoring system as a way to demean it.

Of course the Everett home run counts. That cushion he gave Garcia in a close game could have helped Garcia pitch even better than he normally would have.

It is rare when I don't count a statistic. It is only in the most severe of blowouts that I don't. I've only not acknowledged two Crede home runs all year (though that is in part because I didn't think to keep track from Opening Day). The only two Crede home runs I don't count were in a game where the Sox were leading 8-2 at the time Crede hit his 3-run home run, and his pinch hit solo Colorado air-assisted home run, that also came late in the game with the Sox leading by a great margin.

Mr. White Sox
06-30-2005, 05:44 PM
This, from Buster Olney:
• 1:05 p.m. ET: Amid all the success of the White Sox's staff this year, the pitching of Freddy Garcia (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6168) has been largely overlooked – he's 7-3 with a 3.58 ERA. Thursday, he goes against Mike Maroth (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6941) of the Tigers, and we say The Most Likely Guy To Go Deep is Joe Crede (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6411), who has three homers in 21 career at-bats against Maroth.

Nice prediction.

shoota
06-30-2005, 05:46 PM
I didn't assume you were the one posting that. I was just saying that you wouldn't consider it sarcasm.

Then your assumption is wrong.

fquaye149
06-30-2005, 05:46 PM
I love how people sarcastically interpret my scoring system as a way to demean it.

Of course the Everett home run counts. That cushion he gave Garcia in a close game could have helped Garcia pitch even better than he normally would have.

It is rare when I don't count a statistic. It is only in the most severe of blowouts that I don't. I've only not acknowledged two Crede home runs all year (though that is in part because I didn't think to keep track from Opening Day). The only two Crede home runs I don't count were in a game where the Sox were leading 8-2 at the time Crede hit his 3-run home run, and his pinch hit solo Colorado air-assisted home run, that also came late in the game with the Sox leading by a great margin.

how about this, dip****:

things that happen, count.

Hendu
06-30-2005, 05:48 PM
I love how people sarcastically interpret my scoring system as a way to demean it.

Of course the Everett home run counts. That cushion he gave Garcia in a close game could have helped Garcia pitch even better than he normally would have.

It is rare when I don't count a statistic. It is only in the most severe of blowouts that I don't. I've only not acknowledged two Crede home runs all year (though that is in part because I didn't think to keep track from Opening Day). The only two Crede home runs I don't count were in a game where the Sox were leading 8-2 at the time Crede hit his 3-run home run, and his pinch hit solo Colorado air-assisted home run, that also came late in the game with the Sox leading by a great margin.

Shoota, I'm surprised JR hasn't hired you to represent the team at arbitration hearings :redneck

Unregistered
06-30-2005, 05:49 PM
how about this, dip****:

things that happen, count. :roflmao: :thumbsup:
He's blunt, but he has a point...

MarySwiss
06-30-2005, 05:51 PM
Can those folks who are picking on Crede please just stop it? (This includes my brother in Arlington Heights.) So he doesn't have the world's greatest batting average. Who cares? His defense is stellar and those occasional three-run blasts of his don't hurt either.

MushMouth
06-30-2005, 05:51 PM
Shoota, I'm surprised JR hasn't hired you to represent the team at arbitration hearings :redneck

hahaha

"Mr. Crede, our statistics show that you only had 4 hits all year"

"What tha???"

"We use a complicated system devised by "Shoota" on the WSI message boards..."

FielderJones
06-30-2005, 05:51 PM
I love how people sarcastically interpret my scoring system as a way to demean it.

I am sick to death of Crede haters such as yourself demeaning a member of this great Sox team. Your "scoring system" deserves as much sarcasm as this board can dish out. Deal with it.

owensmouth
06-30-2005, 05:53 PM
It is time to end, totally and completely, the nonsense that has been going on in Oakland. Oakland has somehow put togeather a rather nice run lately. It's time to sweep a series in Oakland, showing them the same kind of contempt for them that we have for Detroit and Kansas City.

Hendu
06-30-2005, 05:56 PM
I've only not acknowledged two Crede home runs all year (though that is in part because I didn't think to keep track from Opening Day). The only two Crede home runs I don't count were in a game where the Sox were leading 8-2 at the time Crede hit his 3-run home run, and his pinch hit solo Colorado air-assisted home run, that also came late in the game with the Sox leading by a great margin.

:borass:

"Only 2 Homeruns? My client, who currently has 11 Homeruns, would have 20 right now if he played in my buddy's ballpark in Arlington, TX"

VeeckAsInWreck
06-30-2005, 05:58 PM
Shoota, I'm surprised JR hasn't hired you to represent the team at arbitration hearings :redneck

At the next arbitration hearing for Buehrle......

:reinsy
"Mark, have a seat. We think you have been doing a great job for us, we wouldn't be where we are because of you. However, I have a problem. Many of your starts have been under 2 hours long, and honestly, those don't count as a full game. People want to enjoy themselves at the ballpark for at least 2 and a half hours, your games are too fast and costing us at the concession stands. Now that we have taken away those games, you really only won 6 games for us last year........

:burly
"But I won 24 games this year!"

:reinsy
"Not according to Shoota at WSI"

shoota
06-30-2005, 05:59 PM
how about this, dip****:

things that happen, count.

I don't simply look at "things that happen, count," because I think looking in a slightly more micro manner helps give a more accurate evaluation of a player.

There's a reason why there are micro breakdowns of statistics like how a player hits against left-handed and right-handed pitchers, home and away, turf and grass, etc.

Freddy's day vs. night record is a valuable statistic for Ozzie to recognize because that allows the White Sox more opportunities to win games.

Unregistered
06-30-2005, 06:00 PM
:borass:

"Only 2 Homeruns? My client, who currently has 11 Homeruns, would have 20 right now if he played in my buddy's ballpark in Arlington, TX":borass:
"And according to the 'Scott Boras Scoring System' (SBSS) 6 of his home runs have given his team the lead, which count as 2 home runs..."

StrTrkker
06-30-2005, 06:02 PM
Damn...we good.

Unregistered
06-30-2005, 06:04 PM
:reinsy
"Not according to Shoota at WSI"
:D:
This quote might actually have some legs around here. I see it as the new "...but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night." :cool:


"If El Duque can stay healthy, he'll be great to have in the playoffs."

"Not according to Shoota at WSI!"

scottjanssens
06-30-2005, 06:06 PM
Well, so much for intellegent baseball talk.

shoota
06-30-2005, 06:08 PM
Well, so much for intellegent baseball talk.

And grammar.

ma-gaga
06-30-2005, 06:09 PM
Wow. I'm absolutely amazed at the dominance of this team.

Enjoy the season. This is something special...

:gulp:

fquaye149
06-30-2005, 06:11 PM
I don't simply look at "things that happen, count," because I think looking in a slightly more micro manner helps give a more accurate evaluation of a player.

There's a reason why there are micro breakdowns of statistics like how a player hits against left-handed and right-handed pitchers, home and away, turf and grass, etc.

Freddy's day vs. night record is a valuable statistic for Ozzie to recognize because that allows the White Sox more opportunities to win games.

a micro-brained manner.

i thought you "stat heads" (to insult stat heads everywhere by association) believe that situational hitting does not exist. Therefore, Crede's "garbage time" home runs as you seem to describe them are just as relevant as your beloved Paulie's three run blasts. It is just coincidence, according to Bill James et. al, that Crede's blasts don't come with anyone on base or in important situations.

That is to say you're smarter than the non-stat heads AND the stat-heads? JEEZ...it must be painful for you to be looking down on the peons from so far on high

ode to veeck
06-30-2005, 06:12 PM
Can those folks who are picking on Crede please just stop it? (This includes my brother in Arlington Heights.) So he doesn't have the world's greatest batting average. Who cares? His defense is stellar and those occasional three-run blasts of his don't hurt either

MarySwiss, Welcome to WSI!!

We need posters like you! Let's start the WSI Joe Crede fan club!!

BarbG
06-30-2005, 06:13 PM
Enjoy the season. This is something special...

My sentiments exactly.

If this keeps up I may become...dare I say it...optimistic!

VeeckAsInWreck
06-30-2005, 06:14 PM
:D:
This quote might actually have some legs around here. I see it as the new "...but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night." :cool:


"If El Duque can stay healthy, he'll be great to have in the playoffs."

"Not according to Shoota at WSI!"

Let's print it on shirts and stickers. :redneck

Jjav829
06-30-2005, 06:16 PM
MarySwiss, Welcome to WSI!!

We need posters like you! Let's start the WSI Joe Crede fan club!!

Why do you keep quoting my post? :?:

ode to veeck
06-30-2005, 06:17 PM
Originally Posted by shoota
I love how people sarcastically interpret my scoring system as a way to demean it.

Get used to it, as long as you keep not counting HRs as HRs, we're gonna keep getting entertained by demeaning such ridiculous 'systems' as da garbage dat dey are. Get up close to it, that kettle's darn black, even with the lights out.

Speaking of lights out, how bout them lights out Sox and Freddie sweeping the Kittens this week? *woohoo*

tebman
06-30-2005, 06:21 PM
:bandance: :gulp: It's all good!


I had to bail out of the WSI chatroom right after Carl's homer, and I asked the folks in the chatroom to hold the lead. Nice work, my brothers and sisters! Not only did you hold the lead, you padded it! :cheers:

ode to veeck
06-30-2005, 06:22 PM
Why do you keep quoting my post? :?:


JJav829, Ooops, I was the dislexic cut and paster there, wasn't I. Not what I intended, but I did go back and clean it up. I ought to pay attention to what I'm doing once in a while.

ode to veeck
06-30-2005, 06:25 PM
:tomatoaward *woohoo*, bring on the A's!!

Foulke You
06-30-2005, 06:48 PM
It is time to end, totally and completely, the nonsense that has been going on in Oakland. Oakland has somehow put togeather a rather nice run lately. It's time to sweep a series in Oakland, showing them the same kind of contempt for them that we have for Detroit and Kansas City.
You are so right owensmouth. I am so sick of losing series after series in Oakland. It's time to exercise some West Coast demons starting tomorrow. We almost won the series against them earlier in the year with Jermaine Dye playing SS, LOL. This time, I feel good about taking 2 of 3.

popilius
06-30-2005, 06:48 PM
Garcia was dealing today. . . after the Sox were up 3-1, I really, truly felt like we had already won. When the Sox are up 5-1, it feels like a blowout.

:gulp: :gulp: :gulp:

soxlug
06-30-2005, 06:58 PM
C'mon WSI'ers lets give Shoota a break, and talk about the White Sox. I mean besides he does have a point. I don't count how many beers I drink after I am drunk. Yes some beers are girlfriend assisted also, you know just like air assisted home runs. I mean c'mon do you actually count that next piece of Pizza after you are already full?

Shoota you don't like Crede no big deal.:gulp: :gulp: :gulp: :gulp:



Favorite player now Buehrle
Favorite player ever......you guessed it Steve Kemp

shoota
06-30-2005, 06:58 PM
a micro-brained manner.

i thought you "stat heads" (to insult stat heads everywhere by association) believe that situational hitting does not exist. Therefore, Crede's "garbage time" home runs as you seem to describe them are just as relevant as your beloved Paulie's three run blasts. It is just coincidence, according to Bill James et. al, that Crede's blasts don't come with anyone on base or in important situations.

That is to say you're smarter than the non-stat heads AND the stat-heads? JEEZ...it must be painful for you to be looking down on the peons from so far on high

I'm not a stat head. The reason why I'm traking Crede's garbage time production is to show that end-of-season statistics are not the be all end all; there's more to consider than his potentially padded stats.

And why do people keep calling me an aPaulogist? I appreciate Konerko's on-field contributions to the White Sox, but I've never made excuses as to his inappropriate comments about his teammates.

Greg1983
06-30-2005, 06:59 PM
On ESPN.com, I found the following quote:


"This is tough, because we feel like we are the better team," Craig Monroe (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6773) said. "But being the best team on paper doesn't mean anything. They came in here and did everything they needed to do, and that's hard to accept."


How exactly does a guy playing for a 36-39 team think his team is better "on paper" or anywhere else than a 53-24 team? What are they smoking up there in Detroit? Is Lake Huron polluted and perhaps the fumes are making them trip out?

Mr. Monroe, we just kicked your butt on paper *and* on the field. Don't let the broom hit you in that aforementioned butt on the way out.

:gulp:

seanpmurphy
06-30-2005, 06:59 PM
Hey did anyone mention yet how Garcia looked better than Wood today but no one is going to cover it, even mention it on the news/ESPN? *sigh* I guess they weren't lying when they said it was lonely at the top :rolleyes:

SOXfnNlansing
06-30-2005, 07:01 PM
Rowand with another Web Gem catch to end the game... we'll see that one on ESPN tonight:supernana::tealpolice:we'll see that one on ESPN tonight

shoota
06-30-2005, 07:02 PM
C'mon WSI'ers lets give Shoota a break, and talk about the White Sox. I mean besides he does have a point. I don't count how many beers I drink after I am drunk. Yes some beers are girlfriend assisted also, you know just like air assisted home runs. I mean c'mon do you actually count that next piece of Pizza after you are already full?

Shoota you don't like Crede no big deal.:gulp: :gulp: :gulp: :gulp:



Favorite player now Buehrle
Favorite player ever......you guessed it Steve Kemp

:gulp: Thanks buddy. I'd like to echo your thought. I would prefer to come to a post game thread and discuss the latest White Sox victory, than have to respond to numerous posts mentioning me. It takes the focus off what's really important...

:winner

ode to veeck
06-30-2005, 07:06 PM
Soxlug,

Welcome to WSI! and good try at peacemaking too, however,

I mean besides he does have a point.

Not when he make up his own stats. A HR is a HR, period

Mohoney
06-30-2005, 07:09 PM
BTW, the Tigers really blow. And people expected them to challenge us? Ha.

I don't know if I would say that they blow. Yes, the Twins and Indians are decidedly better than them, but there are some guys there that can pitch. This sweep is pretty big when you consider that the only starter that they had that pitched badly was Maroth, and he was doing pretty well until that 5th inning.

If anything, I think that this series was a huge statement about the character of our team. In well-pitched, one-run games, we find a way to get that extra run that they can't, and any myths about a "power outage" are completely false.

Unregistered
06-30-2005, 07:10 PM
:gulp: Thanks buddy. I'd like to echo your thought. I would prefer to come to a post game thread and discuss the latest White Sox victory, than have to respond to numerous posts mentioning me. It takes the focus off what's really important...

:winnerShoota, it's all in good fun. We're all happy the Sox won and want to bury anyone who even resembles a dark cloud. Bottom line is, we're all Sox fans here and we're all rooting for the same team - even if certain players piss us off from time to time. :wink:

mccoydp
06-30-2005, 07:20 PM
On ESPN.com, I found the following quote:


"This is tough, because we feel like we are the better team," Craig Monroe (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6773) said. "But being the best team on paper doesn't mean anything. They came in here and did everything they needed to do, and that's hard to accept."


How exactly does a guy playing for a 36-39 team think his team is better "on paper" or anywhere else than a 53-24 team? What are they smoking up there in Detroit? Is Lake Huron polluted and perhaps the fumes are making them trip out?

Mr. Monroe, we just kicked your butt on paper *and* on the field. Don't let the broom hit you in that aforementioned butt on the way out.

:gulp:

I was thinking the same thing when I read it...thanks for summing up my thoughts. I guess he's been listening to Dimitri Young too much...

balke
06-30-2005, 07:21 PM
I was lucky enough to snag some passes to the Western Open today. They have rentable XM satellite feeds, and I was listening to the Sox game and some others during the event. I couldn't wait to ask if Shoota counted Crede's HR today, but from the looks of things about 90 people beat me to it. :smile:


Great to see (hear) Freddy pitch so well. He's been a great addition to this ballclub, and I always look forward to his starts. He's surprised me by going 8+ innings 5 times so far this season. Way to go Freddy.

SOXfnNlansing
06-30-2005, 07:30 PM
What's great this year is when we are down 1 or 2 runs and can't score early, we hold them where they are and come back to take the lead. Then we don't let them score again! :bandance:

Dibbs
06-30-2005, 07:34 PM
SWEEEEEP!

"This is tough, because we feel like we are the better team," says Craig Monroe of the Tigers.

Is he for real? Does MLB do testing for recreational drugs?

Wsoxmike59
06-30-2005, 07:36 PM
http://users.sdccu.net/hoggy/images/whimachs.jpg

Life is good, the Big White Machine is on a roll getting +29 mpg over the .500 mark and it's cruisin into Oak Town from the Motor City.

Who's up for a big Midway airport greeting for the team as the fans did back in 1990 when the Sox returned home from an improbable and undefeated West Coast Trip????:smile:

Mr. White Sox
06-30-2005, 07:39 PM
And grammar.

I don't mean to involve myself in a bitter conflict, but it's a spelling problem, not a grammar problem.

JB98
06-30-2005, 07:40 PM
I'm not going to read the whole thread, but here are my thoughts from today:

I'm glad we are 3-0 on the trip. Even though we are a much better team than Oakland, bad things seem to happen there. If bad things happen again, all we have to do is win one of three to ensure a winning road trip. I'm sure we can manage that with both Buerhle and Garland scheduled to pitch in the series.

Garcia is pitching better than at any point since the Sox acquired him. He's found the release point on his breaking ball, and it looks unhittable. Detroit took a page from the General Disarray School of Managing and sat Rodriguez, Young and Guillen all in the same game. I think Freddy wins today regardless, but Trammell made his job a lot easier by trotting out that crap lineup. Thanks, Alan, we'll take it.

Carl Everett is still swinging the bat well, despite having to adjust to a part-time role. Big kudos to him. He hasn't whined or complained. He's done his job when called upon.

And, oh, another meaningless home run by Crede
:cool:

BeviBall!
06-30-2005, 07:47 PM
I don't simply look at "things that happen, count," because I think looking in a slightly more micro manner helps give a more accurate evaluation of a player.

You're insane. Is it his fault he came up when the game was out of reach? Should he have taken 3 down the middle? Do you also factor that when he hit the HR, it was 8-2 it was against a new pitcher that is probably, or more than likely, trying to get him out? Or do you suppose his ERA would reflect the HR that didn't count?

halfpricemonday
06-30-2005, 07:53 PM
My question is: Who's policing the police?


[Homer J.]
I dunno, Coast Guard?
[/Homer J.]

Anyways, I was pretty amused when I read Craig Monroe's ESPN-quality analysis (i.e. "This is tough, because we feel like we are the better team"), but the best part of this story is the sentence that comes directly after his quote:

"Chicago is 16 games ahead of the fourth-place Tigers in the AL Central."

I don't think there's anything else that needs to be said.

BeviBall!
06-30-2005, 07:54 PM
[Homer J.]
I dunno, Coast Guard?
[/Homer J.]

"World domination?"
"Mental note: The girl knows too much."

shoota
06-30-2005, 08:25 PM
Shoota, it's all in good fun. We're all happy the Sox won and want to bury anyone who even resembles a dark cloud. Bottom line is, we're all Sox fans here and we're all rooting for the same team - even if certain players piss us off from time to time. :wink:

That's a nice thing to say. You're right, we all are Sox fans. Go Go Sox! To all Sox fans: :gulp:

voodoochile
06-30-2005, 08:31 PM
:winner

Had to put a few in the bank...

:supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :bandance:

voodoochile
06-30-2005, 08:33 PM
I'm not counting Crede's HR because it didn't matter in the end. We just would have won 3-1 instead of 6-1. That HR doesn't count. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

We rule. Bow down to us, Tigers. :bandance:

BTW, the Tigers really blow. And people expected them to challenge us? Ha.

well, just to be picky, without the Sox on their schedule, the kitties would be like 6 games over .500 and in the thick of the WC race right now...

RallyBowl
06-30-2005, 08:39 PM
Great game. someone said to me today "I bet you wish you still had carlos Lee." I replied "Who?" and racked him for making a ridiculous statement. As he lay on the ground, I said to him "We are the best team in baseball- I wish for no one that is not already here.Also, way to be Freddy, way to be.

voodoochile
06-30-2005, 08:40 PM
And grammar.

When critiquing other people's grammar, it's generally a good idea to have a noun and a verb somewhere in the post...:rolleyes:

It's like I'm fishing shoota in a barrel...:tongue:

RockyMtnSoxFan
06-30-2005, 08:47 PM
Right now we are the juggernaut that everyone fears. They look at the schedule and say "Damn, the White Sox are coming to town." And it's not just the bottom dwellers; we've beaten up on teams like the Twins, Padres, Angels, Indians. All teams that have been at least decent this year, and many of them were hot when we played them.

In years past, I've looked at the Sox schedule and thought "Crap, here come the (Red Sox, Yankees, Twins, etc)." It's great to be on the other end now.

Jjav829
06-30-2005, 08:51 PM
well, just to be picky, without the Sox on their schedule, the kitties would be like 6 games over .500 and in the thick of the WC race right now...

Geez. I didn't expect people would actually take that so literally. :tongue:

I just felt like saying that they blow. I didn't mean they are Devil Rays-bad. :smile:

voodoochile
06-30-2005, 08:54 PM
Geez. I didn't expect people would actually take that so literally. :tongue:

I just felt like saying that they blow. I didn't mean they are Devil Rays-bad. :smile:

I'm just getting a kick out of looking at the records in the ALC and thinking about what they would be like if these teams weren't getting trounced by the Sox all season long.

How far in front of Minnesota would Cleveland be if they didn't have to play the Sox so often?

It only looks like the Sox are playing a weak ass schedule because he Sox are hammering the living **** out of everything in their path.

Don't look now, but I think that last speedbump was a sack of kittens...

Jjav829
06-30-2005, 08:55 PM
You're insane. Is it his fault he came up when the game was out of reach? Should he have taken 3 down the middle? Do you also factor that when he hit the HR, it was 8-2 it was against a new pitcher that is probably, or more than likely, trying to get him out? Or do you suppose his ERA would reflect the HR that didn't count?

You bring up a good point here, even though I don't think you meant to make this point. I'm sure if Crede would have taken 3 strikes instead of hitting that 3-run homer, shoota would have counted that at-bat into his total batting average. Therefore, it's impossible to say exactly what Crede's batting average is. Shoota would have to go back through every Crede at-bat and determine it's true meaning. By the time you take away the outs in meaningless situations, Crede's average could be up to .260 for all we know.

Just further proof of how ridiculous shoota's scoring system truly is. :smile:

Jjav829
06-30-2005, 08:59 PM
BTW, how did everyone like the performance of our newest player?

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=3019

That Batter guy is pretty good. :D:

Link (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=250630106) - Also, Joe Crede and Carl Everett homered twice according to this. Do both of those count in shoota's scoring system?

batmanZoSo
06-30-2005, 09:06 PM
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=3019

That Batter guy is pretty good. :D:


He sucks. Trade that Batter guy for Joe Randa.

RockyMtnSoxFan
06-30-2005, 09:17 PM
It only looks like the Sox are playing a weak ass schedule because he Sox are hammering the living **** out of everything in their path.

You're exactly right. According to the ESPN standings, our the winning % of our opponents is .506. But if you take away the games where they played us (in the case of Cleveland, KC, Detroit, even Twinkies), it's probably quite a bit higher.

BTW, did anyone notice that we are now the only team in the majors to allow fewer than 300 runs so far? :cool:

voodoochile
06-30-2005, 09:31 PM
You're exactly right. According to the ESPN standings, our the winning % of our opponents is .506. But if you take away the games where they played us (in the case of Cleveland, KC, Detroit, even Twinkies), it's probably quite a bit higher.

BTW, did anyone notice that we are now the only team in the majors to allow fewer than 300 runs so far? :cool:

By My estimates, the Sox opponents (16 of them by my count) would be 662-609 (.524) if you take the Sox out of the equation. That's an average record of 40-37 (Flubs) and right in the thick of the WC hunt in each league.

Edit this is strictly an estimate based on 77 games played for each of 16 opponents and a combine winning percentage of .506.

BarbG
06-30-2005, 09:32 PM
It's like I'm fishing shoota in a barrel...:tongue:

Between that and the Victor E. Banana reference you have cracked me up...I know there are teal police here, how about Pun Police?

Thanks, I'm going to have that one stuck in my head for a while.

And a homerun is a homerun is a homerun is a homerun. Even on Tuesdays, after 10 PM, when the moon is full, if a Taurus is pitching to a Leo, and the score is 28-12, the ratio of the pitcher's to batter's shoe sizes is over 1.24, the temperature is below 70 degrees, and even if it's hit by Paul Konerko.

This is a TEAM.

PeteWard
06-30-2005, 09:37 PM
It is time to end, totally and completely, the nonsense that has been going on in Oakland. Oakland has somehow put togeather a rather nice run lately. It's time to sweep a series in Oakland, showing them the same kind of contempt for them that we have for Detroit and Kansas City.

Well, they are very hot now and it's going to be a tough series,

PeteWard
06-30-2005, 09:44 PM
Who's up for a big Midway airport greeting for the team as the fans did back in 1990 when the Sox returned home from an improbable and undefeated West Coast Trip????:smile:

Great idea but Oakland is hot and are just nasty at home even without this current streak. We play more road games vs them than home and it ticks me off because I swear that was the case last year. Anyone know if this true? I'd rather play more at Fenway than oakland!

Mark'sBrokenFoot
06-30-2005, 09:46 PM
You bring up a good point here, even though I don't think you meant to make this point. I'm sure if Crede would have taken 3 strikes instead of hitting that 3-run homer, shoota would have counted that at-bat into his total batting average. Therefore, it's impossible to say exactly what Crede's batting average is. Shoota would have to go back through every Crede at-bat and determine it's true meaning. By the time you take away the outs in meaningless situations, Crede's average could be up to .260 for all we know.

Just further proof of how ridiculous shoota's scoring system truly is. :smile:

Good grief, give it a rest already. He's just trying to get a look at what Crede does in close situations. If you look up Crede's splits, you will see how he performs in close and late situations. It would probably be beneficial if garbage time was tracked as well. It's called living off the fat. Buffer your stats and coast through the tough times.

I'm a Crede fan myself and while I loved his late inning homer against the cubs, it loses a lot of excitement when the game is already out of hand. Nothing wrong at all with noting that fact.

fquaye149
06-30-2005, 09:50 PM
even if it's hit by Paul Konerko.

.

wait a minute! now i'm angry!!!:D::D::D:

ilsox7
06-30-2005, 10:30 PM
My thoughts:

We ****ing rule. Time for beer.

DSpivack
06-30-2005, 10:45 PM
You know what I love even more about this season? That the typical weak AL Central argument doesn't even apply this year. They are kittens to us, but an improving, .500, mostly young team to everyone else.

shoota
06-30-2005, 10:47 PM
Good grief, give it a rest already. He's just trying to get a look at what Crede does in close situations. If you look up Crede's splits, you will see how he performs in close and late situations. It would probably be beneficial if garbage time was tracked as well. It's called living off the fat. Buffer your stats and coast through the tough times.

I'm a Crede fan myself and while I loved his late inning homer against the cubs, it loses a lot of excitement when the game is already out of hand. Nothing wrong at all with noting that fact.

A Crede fan who can give an objective opinion.

That means something coming from a Crede fan.

:thumbsup:

BeviBall!
06-30-2005, 11:03 PM
A Crede fan who can give an objective opinion.

That means something coming from a Crede fan.

:thumbsup:

His opinion came on the 10th page... long after the merit of this topic was decided. It doesn't count.

FarWestChicago
06-30-2005, 11:23 PM
JJav829, Ooops, I was the dislexic cut and paster there, wasn't I. Not what I intended, but I did go back and clean it up. I ought to pay attention to what I'm doing once in a while.Use the friggin' quote button instead of cutting and pasting. Engineers... :rolleyes:

FarWestChicago
06-30-2005, 11:27 PM
A Crede fan who can give an objective opinion.

That means something coming from a Crede fan.

:thumbsup:Don't get all excited. You're still a nutcase. :D:

FarWestChicago
06-30-2005, 11:28 PM
He sucks. Trade that Batter guy for Joe Randa.:roflmao:

:rolling:

fquaye149
06-30-2005, 11:54 PM
:kneeslap:That is hilarious

His opinion came on the 10th page... long after the merit of this topic was decided. It doesn't count.

Flight #24
07-01-2005, 10:45 AM
By My estimates, the Sox opponents (16 of them by my count) would be 662-609 (.524) if you take the Sox out of the equation. That's an average record of 40-37 (Flubs) and right in the thick of the WC hunt in each league.

Edit this is strictly an estimate based on 77 games played for each of 16 opponents and a combine winning percentage of .506.

Here's the ALC records:
CLE: 3-6 v. SOX / 42-35 overall / 39-29 (.573) v. non-SOX
DET: 1-7 v. SOX / 36-39 overall / 35-32 (.522) v. non-SOX
KC: 0-9 v. SOX / 26-51 overall / 26-42(.382) v. non-SOX
MIN: 1-4 v. SOX / 42-34 overall / 41-30(.577) v. non-SOX

Yes, the Royals still suck. But those other winning %s are on par with EVERY OTHER TEAM IN BASEBALL that's not in STL.

Iwritecode
07-01-2005, 11:39 AM
His opinion came on the 10th page... long after the merit of this topic was decided. It doesn't count.

10th page?

Geez, I'm only showing 4 pages for this thread. What do you have your options set on 10 posts per page???