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Fenway
06-29-2005, 02:48 PM
It is begining to look like the Red Sox have run out of patience with closer Keith Foulke. Could he be put on the market?

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Iwritecode
06-29-2005, 02:55 PM
It is begining to look like the Red Sox have run out of patience with closer Keith Foulke. Could he be put on the market?

I saw that he took the loss last night. Did he lose control of his changeup again?

That's pretty much what doomed him in Chicago. Everyone just sat on that BP fastball...

Fenway
06-29-2005, 03:00 PM
I saw that he took the loss last night. Did he lose control of his changeup again?

That's pretty much what doomed him in Chicago. Everyone just sat on that BP fastball...

and what is worse the BP fastball is about 5 MPH less than less year.

:(:

last night was just ugly
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/gameLog?gameId=250628102

Cubbiesuck13
06-29-2005, 03:01 PM
That's too bad, I like Foulke. I hope he gets it back soon. Since he has done this before do you take a chance on him? That's not a White Sox question simply a question in general.

maurice
06-29-2005, 03:21 PM
last night was just ugly

Contributing to the ugliness:
- Ramirez gunning down a baserunner at 2B, but the ball was dropped.
- The "grand slam" that would be way foul in even a smallish ballpark with MLB dimensions.

CHISOXFAN13
06-29-2005, 03:23 PM
Timlin picked up his first save of the season today, further fueling speculation that Foulke has been demoted.

SOXSINCE'70
06-29-2005, 03:34 PM
and what is worse the BP fastball is about 5 MPH less than less year.

:(:

last night was just ugly
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/gameLog?gameId=250628102

I like Foulke's demeanor,but i've been there before.

3 years ago,IIRC,Manuel had a brain cramp and brought in Foulke
(IN THE 7TH INNING!!) to face the Yankmees in a home game.
Beuhrle and Clemens had a 2-1 duel going.The Sox had the lead.
After a scoreless 7th,Sox fans watched the Yanks score 7 times
(4 in the 8th,3 in the 9th) to give the Yanks an 8-2 victory.
The big blow: a 3 run homer by the steroid laden Jason Giambi.:angry: :angry:

cheeses_h_rice
06-29-2005, 03:38 PM
I like Foulke's demeanor,but i've been there before.

3 years ago,IIRC,Manuel had a brain cramp and brought in Foulke
(IN THE 7TH INNING!!) to face the Yankmees in a home game.
Beuhrle and Clemens had a 2-1 duel going.The Sox had the lead.
After a scoreless 7th,Sox fans watched the Yanks score 7 times
(4 in the 8th,3 in the 9th) to give the Yanks an 8-2 victory.
The big blow: a 3 run homer by the steroid laden Jason Giambi.:angry: :angry:

Ah, yes. The game where I stormed out and almost dragged my wife with me when Giambi went yard, in front of a bunch of our friends. IIRC I threw out my Sox hat that night and didn't watch them for a week afterward.

Good thing I've mellowed a bit since then.

Iwritecode
06-29-2005, 03:43 PM
Timlin picked up his first save of the season today, further fueling speculation that Foulke has been demoted.

I just checked out his stats and WOW! It's no wonder he's been demoted...

5-4 record
6.04 ERA
3 blown saves
25 ER (he gave up 20 all of last year)
8 homeruns (same amount as all last year)
.275 BAA :o:

Either he's hurt and not saying anything or he's forgotten how to throw his change-up over the plate.

It's funny because he really amazed me with what he did in the playoffs last year. He was constantly pitching 2-3 innings on back-2-back days and still getting it done.

It seemed like when he was with the Sox that he would always give up at least a run (if not the lead) if he had to pitch more than one inning or 2-3 days in a row...

SOXSINCE'70
06-29-2005, 03:55 PM
Ah, yes. The game where I stormed out and almost dragged my wife with me when Giambi went yard, in front of a bunch of our friends. IIRC I threw out my Sox hat that night and didn't watch them for a week afterward.

Good thing I've mellowed a bit since then.

So have I,Cheese.I almost vomited when Giambi went yard.
I couldn't watch the Sox for a few games after that.
Dude,I was seething.:angry: :angry: :angry:

And please don't bring up the HR Foulke gave up to "Bad Vlad"
(when he was an Expo) in a 2-1 loss on sleepover night,2002.
I was there.:(:

Fenway
06-29-2005, 04:06 PM
more troubling is that his ERA in save situations is over 11

WEEI is radioactive this afternoon
http://wmc1.liquidviewer.net/WEEI

I just checked out his stats and WOW! It's no wonder he's been demoted...

5-4 record
6.04 ERA
3 blown saves
25 ER (he gave up 20 all of last year)
8 homeruns (same amount as all last year)
.275 BAA :o:

Either he's hurt and not saying anything or he's forgotten how to throw his change-up over the plate.

It's funny because he really amazed me with what he did in the playoffs last year. He was constantly pitching 2-3 innings on back-2-back days and still getting it done.

It seemed like when he was with the Sox that he would always give up at least a run (if not the lead) if he had to pitch more than one inning or 2-3 days in a row...

TaylorStSox
06-29-2005, 04:16 PM
That change doesn't look so good when your fastball is the same speed. It's got to be health related. From what I've seen, it's not a similar situation than when he played for us. He couldn't locate his change then. Now, he has no velocity.

gobears1987
06-29-2005, 04:29 PM
I agree, with the lost velocity, Foulke has to be injured.

MHOUSE
06-29-2005, 05:21 PM
He's been terrible this season. With Timlin closing it out today, he must be demoted. Timlin and Mantei are the only two relievers who have been effective at all. Embree has been awful as well. I wish Foulke the best, though.

My worst memory of his was a blown save (again, brought into the 8th inning) @ Anaheim. I think he allowed an inherited runner and then 2-3 more in the ninth. I was very irate :angry:.

StepsInSC
06-29-2005, 05:23 PM
Timlin picked up his first save of the season today, further fueling speculation that Foulke has been demoted.

I think it's probably just due to the fact that he threw 49 pitches last night...

Fenway
06-29-2005, 05:27 PM
He did pitch most of the 8th last night as well so he may have been given the day off.

But the pitch hit for the grand slam was clocked at 84

NOW...you can look at the tape and say he was squeezed both before the tying hit and the homer and here is where QUESTEC in Boston enters the picture. If MLB is going to use this system to grade umps it should be in every park not a select few.

Ol' No. 2
06-29-2005, 05:31 PM
He's been terrible this season. With Timlin closing it out today, he must be demoted. Timlin and Mantei are the only two relievers who have been effective at all. Embree has been awful as well. I wish Foulke the best, though.

My worst memory of his was a blown save (again, brought into the 8th inning) @ Anaheim. I think he allowed an inherited runner and then 2-3 more in the ninth. I was very irate :angry:.Sorry. Worst Foulke blown save: 2001...Minnesota...you know the one.:(:

PaleHoseGeorge
06-29-2005, 06:57 PM
Sorry. Worst Foulke blown save: 2001...Minnesota...you know the one.

I literally fell off my couch on that one. I could not believe it.
:o:

The other time I fell off the couch was Game 6 of the 2003 NLCS... but that one was from laughter.
:cool:

samram
06-29-2005, 07:15 PM
Sorry. Worst Foulke blown save: 2001...Minnesota...you know the one.:(:

That one basically ended the season for all intents and purposes.

Pasqua's Posers
06-29-2005, 07:32 PM
So have I,Cheese.I almost vomited when Giambi went yard.
I couldn't watch the Sox for a few games after that.
Dude,I was seething.:angry: :angry: :angry:

And please don't bring up the HR Foulke gave up to "Bad Vlad"
(when he was an Expo) in a 2-1 loss on sleepover night,2002.
I was there.:(:

I was in Vegas watching the game at ESPN Zone....I wanted to kill someone in my drunken state...

slavko
06-29-2005, 10:45 PM
Sorry. Worst Foulke blown save: 2001...Minnesota...you know the one.:(:
I'm still sick from it. Don't forget that PK couldn't pick up a ground ball in that inning to save his life.

FarWestChicago
06-29-2005, 11:32 PM
Sorry. Worst Foulke blown save: 2001...Minnesota...you know the one.Worst blown save ever...
I literally fell off my couch on that one. I could not believe it.Who could? What a nightmare...
That one basically ended the season for all intents and purposes.Actually, it ended 4 seasons. It made the Twinks believe they owned the Sox...

elrod
06-29-2005, 11:38 PM
The worst was a 4-run rally allowed to the Twins in 2000, when the Twins stunk.

ode to veeck
06-30-2005, 01:35 AM
and what is worse the BP fastball is about 5 MPH less than less year.


when Fouke loses velocity on the gas, he's in real trouble, as its the delta between the fastball and his palmball/ changeup that make's it so effective, without any heat, he's a bad two pitch pitcher, and all two pitches are going to get rocked, hope its temporary for his sake

one of the other worst evers was the blown save that wasn't a blown save, the several run rally by paniccia (aka panic attack) that brought the dead for all practical purposes twins back to life to steal the sox division back in sept

I still have a traumatically induced black hole of a memory for fouke's blown save against the twinks

doublem23
06-30-2005, 02:10 AM
Bronson Arroyo is going to close games for the Saux? What does that leave you with? 3 serviceable starters?

:roflmao:

wdelaney72
06-30-2005, 01:04 PM
I've heard this kicked around before, and I'll ask it again, is it possible that Foulke's loss of velocity has to do with a certain change in MLB policy?

I'm not trying to start a witchhunt, I'm just asking if this is more than a co-incidence?

ChiSoxRowand
06-30-2005, 01:26 PM
I think it's probably just due to the fact that he threw 49 pitches last night...

Yea, thats what they said on Sportscenter.

TaylorStSox
06-30-2005, 01:58 PM
I've heard this kicked around before, and I'll ask it again, is it possible that Foulke's loss of velocity has to do with a certain change in MLB policy?

I'm not trying to start a witchhunt, I'm just asking if this is more than a co-incidence?

I find it hard to believe that a guy who threw 91 was on roids.

Not everyone that's having a bad year was on roids. I can't wait until people start accusing Rowand. If you want to speculate on everybody based on numbers alone, all signs point to Aaron.

samram
06-30-2005, 02:06 PM
I find it hard to believe that a guy who threw 91 was on roids.

Not everyone that's having a bad year was on roids. I can't wait until people start accusing Rowand. If you want to speculate on everybody based on numbers alone, all signs point to Aaron.

Agreed. Foulke, despite his year in Oakland, is not, IMO, a prime roids suspect. I think Keith's problem is that when he's bad, he gonna be really bad because he doesn't have a good breaking ball to backup his changeup when he can't locate it. I haven't seen the Sawx enough to know for sure, but I'll bet he's had a lot of outings where his changeup is off and hitters are sitting dead red on what is basically a 91 MPH fastball with little movement. I also think getting the first batter out is essential for him. He seems to panic when the first guy reaches.

32nd&Wallace
06-30-2005, 02:21 PM
I like Foulke's demeanor,but i've been there before.

3 years ago,IIRC,Manuel had a brain cramp and brought in Foulke
(IN THE 7TH INNING!!) to face the Yankmees in a home game.
Beuhrle and Clemens had a 2-1 duel going.The Sox had the lead.
After a scoreless 7th,Sox fans watched the Yanks score 7 times
(4 in the 8th,3 in the 9th) to give the Yanks an 8-2 victory.
The big blow: a 3 run homer by the steroid laden Jason Giambi.:angry: :angry: I remember that game. Wan't that the game where Foulke lost his closing duties and Nardi Contrerras was fired?

Palehose Pete
06-30-2005, 03:16 PM
Boston may debate keeping Foulke as a closer for their team, but he lost the closer role on my fantasy team last night.

Foulke's ERA and WHIP are as fat as Sidney Ponson during the off-season.
He gone!

Fenway
07-01-2005, 12:58 PM
Foulke spoke on WEEI this morning

July 1, 2005 - Keith Foulke - Red Sox Closer (http://eod.liquidviewer.com/weei-od/070105KeithFoulke.wma)

Iwritecode
07-01-2005, 01:40 PM
Foulke spoke on WEEI this morning

July 1, 2005 - Keith Foulke - Red Sox Closer (http://eod.liquidviewer.com/weei-od/070105KeithFoulke.wma)

I'm at work on a computer with no sound. Can I get a summary?

Rocky Soprano
07-01-2005, 03:28 PM
He said he just had a bad day at work vs Cleveland.
He walked too many batters and gave up too many hits.

I guess after the game he made a joke about all the people that boo him. He said that he was not going to invite them to his World Series party, and then said what if I go and boo Joe from Burger King if he does a bad job. A lot of people were offended. Keith a bit upset, he said it was only a joke.

He feels healthy. They asked him about Chicago, when he struggled, does he feel as bad. He said he doesn't remember last October so he doesn't remember 5 years ago. He said there are things in his personal life that people dint know about. Refuses to talk about his personal life.

A lot of times he goes to the field and you struggle. This season in a nutshell he had made too many mistakes with his fastball. He said a lot of of pop ups have been missed and too many ground balls were missed, if those had been played correctly he would be having a way different year. But that is how baseball goes. Sometimes they work sometimes they don't. Everyone has to struggle.

Last year he didn't struggle, this year he is. Thats goes baseball gods keep things in check.

Wont make excuses.

They asked him would he feel OK going to setup until he fixes his problems and then move back to closer role. He said thats not his job to decide that. He said he never wanted to be a closer, he wanted to be a catcher/starter.

If Francona wants to give him a break from closing would he be OK? He said he doesn't care. He is an employee of the team he just wants to team to win. He does what he is told. He wants the best for the team.

Struggling sometimes will make you a better player. The team is still playing well. Get over the past, if they win the WS again will they still remember his struggles?

He just goes out and does his job. It's all part of baseball.

Pedro M. got along with everybody. He said don't believe everything you hear in the media. They change things around all the time.

gosox41
07-01-2005, 09:33 PM
That's too bad, I like Foulke. I hope he gets it back soon. Since he has done this before do you take a chance on him? That's not a White Sox question simply a question in general.

I thought Foulke was hurting. Wasn't he seeing specialists in April?


Bob

Fenway
07-04-2005, 11:24 PM
Oh man he blew another save tonight @ Texas

and it looked like BP

he is toast

NSSoxFan
07-04-2005, 11:27 PM
Oh man he blew another save tonight @ Texas

and it looked like BP

he is toast

fenway, this is why the White Sox shouldn't be worrying about the Fake Sox...

Fenway
07-05-2005, 10:58 AM
fenway, this is why the White Sox shouldn't be worrying about the Fake Sox...

Foulke has used up all his goodwill from last years post-season by insulting fans with remarks made to the press.

http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=92625

ARLINGTON, Texas - Now that the good folks at Burger King probably are unwilling to serve him following his condescending slam last week, the Texas Rangers assumed the delightful task of handing Keith Foulke [stats (http://146.145.120.3/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=bostonherald&page=mlb/teams/028/players.aspx?id=1755,pos=P,team=028), news (http://news.bostonherald.com/search/?searchSite=recent&keyword=Keith Foulke)] his lunch.
The embattled closer's season-long woes continued last night, as he squandered a one-run lead in the ninth inning at Ameriquest Field and let the Rangers deal the Red Sox [stats (http://146.145.120.3/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=bostonherald&page=mlb/teams/028/teamstats.aspx?team=028), schedule (http://146.145.120.3/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=bostonherald&page=mlb/teams/028/schedule.aspx?team=028,season=)] a deflating 6-5 defeat at the midway mark of the season.
Foulke, who said he didn't care what average fans like ``Johnny from Burger King'' thought about his pitching last week after getting hammered by the Cleveland Indians [stats (http://146.145.120.3/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=bostonherald&page=mlb/teams/031/teamstats.aspx?team=031), schedule (http://146.145.120.3/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=bostonherald&page=mlb/teams/031/schedule.aspx?team=031,season=)] in a 12-8 loss, blew his fourth save opportunity of the year after Manny Ramirez [stats (http://146.145.120.3/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=bostonherald&page=mlb/teams/028/players.aspx?id=3810,pos=LF,team=028), news (http://news.bostonherald.com/search/?searchSite=recent&keyword=Manny Ramirez)] pushed the Sox ahead with a two-run home run off Joaquin Benoit in the eighth inning.


http://news.bostonherald.com/galleries/images/931879_sports07052005.jpg

Soxzilla
07-05-2005, 11:46 AM
I'm glad he doesn't care what fans think, because I don't care what he thinks.

It isn't our fault you suck Keith!:rolleyes:

Madvora
07-05-2005, 02:24 PM
"Foulke Burned In 9th As Sox Suffer Whopper Of A Loss"

Seems like that could have been an exact headline straight from the Trib or Suntimes a few years ago (minus the Burger King reference.)

Jerko
07-05-2005, 02:55 PM
:jerry

I told you guys he was no good.

California Sox
07-05-2005, 03:59 PM
It is begining to look like the Red Sox have run out of patience with closer Keith Foulke. Could he be put on the market?http://video.nesn.com/images/static/gfx/pxl_trans.gif (http://video.nesn.com/global/video/popup/pop_playerLaunch.asp?clipid1=459639&at1=Sport&vt1=v&h1=Foulke%27s+comments+won%27t+endear+him&d1=57533&redirUrl=www.NESN.com&activePane=info&LaunchPageAdTag=homepage)

What's the market for a guy who makes 6 mil and can't get anyone out? I think he'll straighten himself out eventually but until then Boston is stuck with him.

LongLiveFisk
07-05-2005, 04:06 PM
Foulke, who said he didn't care what average fans like ``Johnny from Burger King'' thought about his pitching last week after getting hammered by the Cleveland Indians [stats (http://146.145.120.3/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=bostonherald&page=mlb/teams/031/teamstats.aspx?team=031), schedule (http://146.145.120.3/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=bostonherald&page=mlb/teams/031/schedule.aspx?team=031,season=)] in a 12-8 loss, blew his fourth save opportunity of the year after Manny Ramirez [stats (http://146.145.120.3/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=bostonherald&page=mlb/teams/028/players.aspx?id=3810,pos=LF,team=028), news (http://news.bostonherald.com/search/?searchSite=recent&keyword=Manny Ramirez)] pushed the Sox ahead with a two-run home run off Joaquin Benoit in the eighth inning.

He's got nerve. A Whopper is worth more than he is right now.

Fenway
07-05-2005, 07:18 PM
Foulke to return to Boston for knee exam (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2005/07/05/foulke_to_return_to_boston_1120601245)

Red Sox closer Keith Foulke will leave the team and return to Boston to determine if a knee problem is the cause of his struggles. The disabled list is a possibility, manager Terry Francona said. (AP, 6:03 p.m.)

Mr. White Sox
07-06-2005, 12:35 AM
:bkoch:
"Hah! Who's the better closer now *****!"

Fenway
07-07-2005, 07:38 PM
Struggling Foulke undergoes knee surgery

July 7, 2005

BOSTON --Struggling Red Sox closer Keith Foulke had arthroscopic surgery to repair damaged cartilage on his left knee on Thursday, just one development on a busy day of roster shuffling for first-place Boston.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2005/07/07/struggling_closer_undergoes_knee_surgery/