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chisoxfanatic
06-21-2005, 04:16 AM
Looking at Shingo's last 10 outings, he's only allowed a total of 5 earned runs, as well as 10 hits, striking out 10 in the same time span. If you take out that less-than-thriller in Texas, he has only allowed ONE other run in the nine other games in that time span.

I understand that Shingo doesn't get as much playing time as Politte or Hermanson, meaning he won't be talked about as much, not as prevalent in our minds, but Shingo's been really coming of his own in the last month minus ONE outing!

Shingo, here's to you! :gulp:

hold2dibber
06-21-2005, 08:30 AM
It seemed like Vizcaino was turning it around, too, until last night. They need at least one of those two guys to turn it around and be a reliable arm out of the pen. If Shingo returns to '04 form, him, Hermanson, Politte, Cotts and Marte would make the Sox bullpen among the best around.

BaseballTonyght
06-21-2005, 09:33 AM
Looking at Shingo's last 10 outings, he's only allowed a total of 5 earned runs, as well as 10 hits, striking out 10 in the same time span. If you take out that less-than-thriller in Texas, he has only allowed ONE other run in the nine other games in that time span.

I understand that Shingo doesn't get as much playing time as Politte or Hermanson, meaning he won't be talked about as much, not as prevalent in our minds, but Shingo's been really coming of his own in the last month minus ONE outing!

Shingo, here's to you! :gulp:

Hear, Hear! Shingo's been gettin'er done lately. :gulp:

Madvora
06-21-2005, 09:54 AM
You can make anybody's stats look good if you could go around and subtract one game from his stats. That doesn't make a lot of sense.

I hope Shingo is looking better though. The fact is that it's still too scary to bring him in when the game is on the line. I think Ozzie is reluctant to do this. That's not something you want from one of your pitchers.
Hopefully we can get some big leads and get Shingo more work, then we can see how he's pitching. If he's on, then he can eventually be used when we really need him again.

kevingrt
06-21-2005, 10:03 AM
Hear, Hear! Shingo's been gettin'er done lately. :gulp:

He's been gettin'er done alright! And last night was an important relief apperance, in an important situation. Hopefully Shingo will be good to be a solid middle reliever. With our relief as it is right now, I don't see the absolute neccesity to add another arm. It would be helpful, but I don't think we need it.

But what is better then seeing Shingo turn it around is watching this offense just explode in the heat of summer.

Madvora
06-21-2005, 10:25 AM
He's been gettin'er done alright! And last night was an important relief apperance, in an important situation. Hopefully Shingo will be good to be a solid middle reliever. With our relief as it is right now, I don't see the absolute neccesity to add another arm. It would be helpful, but I don't think we need it.

But what is better then seeing Shingo turn it around is watching this offense just explode in the heat of summer.

It's not absolutely necessary as if we're down to minor leaguers out there, but you're right it would be helpful and that's the key. You might as well make this team as strong as you can. This is a rare thing for the Sox. They have to be ready for this push to October. Imagine adding another great arm to that bullpen. You want to have the highest possible confidence once your starter comes out that you have that game in hand.
In my opinion a reliever is the most important need right now. However, that may depend on how this Hernandez issue plays out.
I was pushing for Crede to get replaced, but that's on the back burner now.

BaseballTonyght
06-21-2005, 11:18 AM
It's not absolutely necessary as if we're down to minor leaguers out there, but you're right it would be helpful and that's the key. You might as well make this team as strong as you can. This is a rare thing for the Sox. They have to be ready for this push to October. Imagine adding another great arm to that bullpen. You want to have the highest possible confidence once your starter comes out that you have that game in hand.
In my opinion a reliever is the most important need right now. However, that may depend on how this Hernandez issue plays out.
I was pushing for Crede to get replaced, but that's on the back burner now.

Kenny will without doubt make some kind of move before long here - I'm not worried about it.

He's made some great noise-making "push for October" trades the past few years, I don't see why he'd stop now. And the best thing about his trades is they typically come without rumors and pack the element of surprise.

Here comes Kenny Clause, Here comes Kenny Clause...

http://members.cox.net/kadafi/kenny_clause.gif

"HO, HO, HO... who wants some Barry Zito!?"

mcfish
06-21-2005, 11:30 AM
You can make anybody's stats look good if you could go around and subtract one game from his stats. That doesn't make a lot of sense.

I hope Shingo is looking better though. The fact is that it's still too scary to bring him in when the game is on the line. I think Ozzie is reluctant to do this. That's not something you want from one of your pitchers.
Hopefully we can get some big leads and get Shingo more work, then we can see how he's pitching. If he's on, then he can eventually be used when we really need him again.Why can't you disregard 1 game over the course of more than a month? Everyone has bad days from time to time. The fact is, 9 out of his last 11 outings he has yielded no runs. The other 2 were a solo homerun in Colorado in a 15-5 victory and the rough night in Texas - he gave up 4 runs in a game the Sox lost 12-4. In fact, none of our pitchers seemed to have too much success in Texas this year.

Hermanson has given up a total of 8 runs in 5 of his last 10 outings. Obviously not the same situations, and I'm not advocating switching closers or anything, but at the very least you could look at Shingo numbers and see distinct improvement over a rough start to the season and should have a significant role in our bullpen for the second half of the season.

To recognize that a guy has had only one bad night in the last 10 times he pitched doesn't seem to be too much to ask.

White Sox Josh
06-21-2005, 11:49 AM
It seemed like Vizcaino was turning it around, too, until last night. They need at least one of those two guys to turn it around and be a reliable arm out of the pen. If Shingo returns to '04 form, him, Hermanson, Politte, Cotts and Marte would make the Sox bullpen among the best around.Vizcaino needs to go period! Bring up Baj.

White Sox Josh
06-21-2005, 11:52 AM
All Shingo needed to do was throw 1st pitch strikes and attack the hitters. He is doing that right now. Here is my order for the Bullpen:
7th: Cotts
8th: Politte
9th: Shingo/Hermy(Whoever matches up the best)

Marte should be used as a LH specialist and Vizcaino, well i hope that...
:hawk
HE GAWN!

scottjanssens
06-21-2005, 12:20 PM
I must confess I was a little nervous when they brought in Shingo last night. Glad he did well.

The Dude
06-21-2005, 12:27 PM
It seemed like Vizcaino was turning it around, too, until last night. They need at least one of those two guys to turn it around and be a reliable arm out of the pen. If Shingo returns to '04 form, him, Hermanson, Politte, Cotts and Marte would make the Sox bullpen among the best around.

Yeah the Fizzz dropped to last on my bullpen depth chart after those two gopherballs. Id rate the bullpen:

Hermy
Politte
Marte
Cotts
Shingo
Vizzzzzzz

DaleJRFan
06-21-2005, 12:52 PM
If you look at the amount of work certain gus are getting, versus their ERAs over the span of the last few weeks, they guys getting regular work are performing much better than the guys not getting work. Hermie looks shaky when he comes in after not throwing for a few games. Cotts has been getting regular work and is dominating, same with Politte.

Shingo has been doing well and t would seem that Ozzie is working him in to tighter situations than even last week.

Vizzy isn't getting a lot of work. Whether Ozzie doesn't feel comfortable putting him in close situations is up for debate since none of us know whats goingon in his head... but earlier on, when Vizzy got regular work, he did the job.

The issue is that some guys are rusty. When they come in, they don't have location and are up in the zone. Vizcaino was up in the zone lastnight and got hammered.

I think a lot of these guys performances can be attributed to that fact.

The best guys in the pen are getting a lot of work so they are sharp. Ozzie keeps putting them in because of that. They guys who struggle don't get work, so they can't get 'in a zone' like Cotts or Politte.

We need some blow outs so that Vizzy and Shingo get some work. :D:

TaylorStSox
06-21-2005, 02:56 PM
Looking at Shingo's last 10 outings, he's only allowed a total of 5 earned runs, as well as 10 hits, striking out 10 in the same time span. If you take out that less-than-thriller in Texas, he has only allowed ONE other run in the nine other games in that time span.

I understand that Shingo doesn't get as much playing time as Politte or Hermanson, meaning he won't be talked about as much, not as prevalent in our minds, but Shingo's been really coming of his own in the last month minus ONE outing!

Shingo, here's to you! :gulp:

5 ER's in 10 innings is unacceptable for a reliever. This has to be the worst relief pitcher love fest I've seen.

I don't even care if he throws gopher balls in pressure situations, just throw the ball over the damn plate.

Shingo's a flash in the pan. Lightning in a bottle. It was fun last year but I really don't buy it.

chisoxfanatic
06-21-2005, 02:59 PM
5 ER's in 10 innings is unacceptable for a reliever.

You can't just look at the bottom line when it comes to analyzing statistics. You have to look at it game-by-game. In doing that, you'll see that four of the five earned runs came in ONE outing! Everyone has their bad days...We have to understand that! Outside of that ONE bad outting, Shingo's been more than getting the job done.

scottjanssens
06-21-2005, 03:03 PM
You can't just look at the bottom line when it comes to analyzing statistics. You have to look at it game-by-game. In doing that, you'll see that four of the five earned runs came in ONE outing! Everyone has their bad days...We have to understand that! Outside of that ONE bad outting, Shingo's been more than getting the job done.

I'm not sure I'd go that far. Prior to his last two starts he was falling behind the hitters. He may have escaped unscathed but it was a sign that all was not as it should have been. That said, his last two outings he was ahead of the hitters. I'll feel a lot more comfortable about him with another two like the last two.

DickAllen72
06-21-2005, 04:27 PM
Shingo just had some control problems early in the year. If Dustin wasn't so unbelievably dominating at the time, Shingo would have probably remained in the closer roll and with the regular work would have been back into '04 form already.

It's taking Shingo longer to get his stuff together because of his sporadic work, but before it's all said and done he is going to play a major role in the White Sox' success this season.

iamkoza
06-21-2005, 04:37 PM
All Shingo needed to do was throw 1st pitch strikes and attack the hitters. He is doing that right now. Here is my order for the Bullpen:
7th: Cotts
8th: Politte
9th: Shingo/Hermy(Whoever matches up the best)

Marte should be used as a LH specialist and Vizcaino, well i hope that...
:hawk
HE GAWN!

Shingo's breaking stuff is never over the plate for a strike... hitters.scouts figured that out in the off-season. I've never seen a shingo frisbee called a strike without the batter swinging have u?

White Sox Josh
06-21-2005, 05:21 PM
Shingo's breaking stuff is never over the plate for a strike... hitters.scouts figured that out in the off-season. I've never seen a shingo frisbee called a strike without the batter swinging have u?I've seen some where they would've been called strikes had the batter not swung at it.

Chisox003
06-21-2005, 05:25 PM
I've seen some where they would've been called strikes had the batter not swung at it.

Shingo will never close another game! You gotta give it up! Hermanson is what, 17 for 18? Ya, I dont care what the matchups are, Hermanson better be in the game with a 3 run or less lead...Its that simple

If Hermy pitches 3 days in a row, and a save situation arises, Politte's comin in. Shingo's role is mop up, and HOPEFULLY soon he gets back to pitching in close games...Holding it down until Hermanson comes in and shuts the door

LVSoxFan
06-21-2005, 05:47 PM
I personally would love to see Shingo come back to form and electrify the crowd like he did all last year.

He was our original Japanese guy, he's a kick to watch, and who can forget that highlight reel game in Oakland where he gloved the comebacker for the final out?

I'm glad he's starting to feel it again; I felt bad for him. Hermanson's our main guy and should be, but hey, some people were saying last year that Shingo is a setup guy, maybe that's his place.

soxfan1965
06-22-2005, 11:40 PM
Nice one today Shingo. 2K's, perfect 9th. Keep it up. Just part of a great team-oriented bullpen.

oeo
06-22-2005, 11:47 PM
Nice one today Shingo. 2K's, perfect 9th. Keep it up. Just part of a great team-oriented bullpen.

If he gets ahead in the count, he's unstoppable; he just needs to keep doing that.