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surfdudes
06-19-2005, 11:30 PM
Cliff Politte gets the win again this Sunday, and moves to 5-0. That puts him ahead of Kevin Brown, Carl Pavano of the Yankees and ties him with Silva and Lohse in Minnesota. At this rate, he could become a 15 game winner out of the Pen! I guess my question is, has there ever been a setup man or closer or middle reliever that has won that many?

Viva Medias B's
06-19-2005, 11:32 PM
Politte is on NBC 5 right now.

FloridaSox
06-19-2005, 11:33 PM
Elroy Face went 17-2 one year for the Pirates out the pen. Bullpen records are matter of being in the right place at the right time. Politte got a win last night facing one batter.

surfdudes
06-19-2005, 11:34 PM
I should have mentioned for anyone who wants some good ammunition for Monday's water cooler meetings with any Northsiders, that Politte has as may wins as anyone on the Telecubbies staff!

Mohoney
06-19-2005, 11:35 PM
KW made some big moves this offseason, and re-signing Politte never really was mentioned.

The guy just doesn't give up runs.

ND_Sox_Fan
06-19-2005, 11:40 PM
Bullpen records are matter of being in the right place at the right time. Politte got a win last night facing one batter.

It always helps to be 'lights out' on the mound as well. This guy has a great "Here's the ball, see if you can hit it" attitude. I love how he attacks the strike zone.

MeanFish
06-19-2005, 11:42 PM
Somewhere, Jose Contreras is wondering why Cliff Politte has more wins than he does. I actually feel for the guy -- he's like this year's Matt Clement. Great pitching, not many wins.

ilsox7
06-19-2005, 11:44 PM
Somewhere, Jose Contreras is wondering why Cliff Politte has more wins than he does. I actually feel for the guy -- he's like this year's Matt Clement. Great pitching, not many wins.

But I guarantee you the guys all went up to JC tonight and told him it was his win. He has been tremendous for us this season. He's our #4 pitcher and has the 2nd best BA Against in the league! He keeps us in almost every game he pitches. When this team is in a game in the 8th inning, they win more times than not.

Cubbiesuck13
06-19-2005, 11:44 PM
I couldn't get the breakdown by year but Hoyt Wihelm had 124 wins as a reliever. The most by a reliever, ever.


I love finding new things about the SOX: Ed Walsh had 40 wins in 1908 for the SOX. He lost on the last day of the season, failing to bring the SOX a pennant. (He was a starter so it really doesn't have anything to do with the thread. Sorry)

Lip Man 1
06-19-2005, 11:48 PM
Ask and ye shall receive:

Barry Jones, Sox set up man extraordinar, went 11-4 with a save and a 2.31 ERA in that glorious year of 1990.

Eddie Fisher, who threw a hell of a knuckleball and did an even better Donald Duck impression holds the Sox record for relief wins with 15 in 1965.

Other notables:

Gerry Staley - 13 (1960)
Wilbur Wood - 12 (1968)
Hoyt Wilhelm - 12 (1964)
Cy Acosta - 10 (1973)
Wilbur Wood - 10 (1969)

Lip

cubhater
06-19-2005, 11:51 PM
Politte is on NBC 5 right now.

And they said he went about 112 appearances without a win and now he has five in the last couple weeks!:bandance:

Iguana775
06-19-2005, 11:54 PM
Cliff Politte gets the win again this Sunday, and moves to 5-0. That puts him ahead of Kevin Brown, Carl Pavano of the Yankees and ties him with Silva and Lohse in Minnesota. At this rate, he could become a 15 game winner out of the Pen! I guess my question is, has there ever been a setup man or closer or middle reliever that has won that many?


And Jose Contreras

ilsox7
06-19-2005, 11:54 PM
Ask and ye shall receive:

Barry Jones, Sox set up man extraordinar, went 11-4 with a save and a 2.31 ERA in that glorious year of 1990.

Eddie Fisher, who threw a hell of a knuckleball and did an even better Donald Duck impression holds the Sox record for relief wins with 15 in 1965.

Other notables:

Gerry Staley - 13 (1960)
Wilbur Wood - 12 (1968)
Hoyt Wilhelm - 12 (1964)
Cy Acosta - 10 (1973)
Wilbur Wood - 10 (1969)

Lip

You are a walking (or should I say typing) history bank of White Sox baseball. Awesome.

rowand33
06-19-2005, 11:54 PM
Ask and ye shall receive:

Barry Jones, Sox set up man extraordinar, went 11-4 with a save and a 2.31 ERA in that glorious year of 1990.

Eddie Fisher, who threw a hell of a knuckleball and did an even better Donald Duck impression holds the Sox record for relief wins with 15 in 1965.

Other notables:

Gerry Staley - 13 (1960)
Wilbur Wood - 12 (1968)
Hoyt Wilhelm - 12 (1964)
Cy Acosta - 10 (1973)
Wilbur Wood - 10 (1969)

Lip

Don't forget that former White Sock Billy Koch had 11 wins the year before he came to us....

Iguana775
06-19-2005, 11:56 PM
It always helps to be 'lights out' on the mound as well. This guy has a great "Here's the ball, see if you can hit it" attitude. I love how he attacks the strike zone.

Looks like he tends to nibble to me. He'd get up and start throwing it out of the zone hoping for the batter to chase and then end up walking.

But overall, can't be too upset with how well he pitched.

ND_Sox_Fan
06-20-2005, 12:04 AM
Looks like he tends to nibble to me. He'd get up and start throwing it out of the zone hoping for the batter to chase and then end up walking.

But overall, can't be too upset with how well he pitched.

I agree later in the count, but he attacks and gets ahead. He has had pinpoint control so far this year, and has had the ability to hit corners and force hitters to swing at his pitch once he is ahead in the count.

Last night was a good example of what you are talking about.

Can't argue with 3/1 K/BB ratio, though.

Jjav829
06-20-2005, 01:11 AM
tanko, where are you? :?: :smile:

Iguana775
06-20-2005, 08:19 AM
I agree later in the count, but he attacks and gets ahead. He has had pinpoint control so far this year, and has had the ability to hit corners and force hitters to swing at his pitch once he is ahead in the count.

Last night was a good example of what you are talking about.

Can't argue with 3/1 K/BB ratio, though.

That's the thing. Why quit the attack mode? Go after them. Instead of a K on a 1-2/2-2 count, he walks the guy.

Cowhead418
06-20-2005, 10:10 AM
Off-topic, but I created the current Sox roster on MVP baseball 2005 (added Iguchi because they didn't have him) and Vizcaino finished second in the Cy Young voting with a record of 19-5 and a 3.66 ERA out of the pen. I thought it was pretty funny.:smile:

JRIG
06-20-2005, 10:17 AM
KW made some big moves this offseason, and re-signing Politte never really was mentioned.

The guy just doesn't give up runs.

A technicality, but I'm 99% sure KW just picked up Politte's option on the contract he signed before 2004,so it wasn't a straight re-signing.

Realist
06-20-2005, 10:25 AM
tanko, where are you? :?: :smile:

I was thinking the same thing. As I was scrolling through this thread I was hoping I'd see a post by him. He must be too "stunned" to comment.

surfdudes
06-20-2005, 11:35 AM
Ask and ye shall receive:

Barry Jones, Sox set up man extraordinar, went 11-4 with a save and a 2.31 ERA in that glorious year of 1990.

Eddie Fisher, who threw a hell of a knuckleball and did an even better Donald Duck impression holds the Sox record for relief wins with 15 in 1965.

Other notables:

Gerry Staley - 13 (1960)
Wilbur Wood - 12 (1968)
Hoyt Wilhelm - 12 (1964)
Cy Acosta - 10 (1973)
Wilbur Wood - 10 (1969)

Lip

Thanks Lip!
Note to self - if you see Lip at the tavern, do not engage in baseball trivia for free drinks......

FarWestChicago
06-20-2005, 11:42 AM
Thanks Lip!
Note to self - if you see Lip at the tavern, do not engage in baseball trivia for free drinks......Well, you can do that and long as your intention was to buy drinks for Lip all night long. :redneck

santo=dorf
06-20-2005, 12:08 PM
A technicality, but I'm 99% sure KW just picked up Politte's option on the contract he signed before 2004,so it wasn't a straight re-signing.
Well, you're wrong.

Politte's option was for $1.3 million, but the Sox signed him to a new deal that paid him $900,000 in 2005 with a $100,000 buyout for 2006, or a team option for $1.3 million in 2006.

Politte took a paycut.

:reinsy
"We need more players like Politte on this team."

tacosalbarojas
06-20-2005, 01:21 PM
Ask and ye shall receive:

Barry Jones, Sox set up man extraordinar, went 11-4 with a save and a 2.31 ERA in that glorious year of 1990.

Eddie Fisher, who threw a hell of a knuckleball and did an even better Donald Duck impression holds the Sox record for relief wins with 15 in 1965.

Other notables:

Gerry Staley - 13 (1960)
Wilbur Wood - 12 (1968)
Hoyt Wilhelm - 12 (1964)
Cy Acosta - 10 (1973)
Wilbur Wood - 10 (1969)

LipI luuuuuuvvv Barry Jones.

kevingrt
06-20-2005, 01:45 PM
Well, you're wrong.

Politte's option was for $1.3 million, but the Sox signed him to a new deal that paid him $900,000 in 2005 with a $100,000 buyout for 2006, or a team option for $1.3 million in 2006.

Politte took a paycut.

:reinsy
"We need more players like Politte on this team."

Very nice for Cliff to take a pay cut. If I remember correctly he had a solid year last year. Relief is so hit and miss with most players it is nice to see a strong bullpen this year minus one or two spots. But every World Series winner has a solid 'pen or so it seems. So we are off on the right foot in this area.