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White Sox Josh
06-19-2005, 01:32 PM
I'm listing the order in which I have the most faith in from the Bullpen right now.

Cliff Politte- This isn't an arguement really.
Neal Cotts- He has been very good and is walking less guys.
Dustin Hermanson- I still have faith in him but he might lose the closers role if Shingo keeps on pitching well. Needs more Work. He has been a Godsend considering he can do anything needed(start, close, relief).
Shingo Takatsu- He is starting to come around and is slowly transforming back into 2004 form.
Luis Vizcaino- Has been dominant in June and is throwing more strikes consistently.
Damaso Marte- He needs to throw strikes consistently. He has probably been demoted to a LH Specialist.

Some may disagree, some may agree. Post yours here.

RallyBowl
06-19-2005, 02:05 PM
The key is the words right now. Your list, as well as mine, surely looked completely different at the start of the season. And they will certainly look different at the end of the season. I have great faith in all of them right now, as I have all season. Ok- I was a little pissed at luis after the scrubs series, but I got over it. He has picked it up, just as anyone who is down right now will.

MHOUSE
06-19-2005, 02:28 PM
The last two weeks I've had faith in anyone they've thrown out there in every situation. Vizcaino has turned it around bigtime, Shingo looks better everytime out, and Cotts has been great if he doesn't hurt himself with walks. The top 4 bullpens in the AL are in our Division Jndjans, Tigers, Twins, Sox.

Chisox003
06-19-2005, 02:46 PM
Dustin Hermanson- I still have faith in him but he might lose the closers role if Shingo keeps on pitching well. Needs more Work. He has been a Godsend


Lose the closer's role? He's 15/16 with a 1.65 ERA . . .

He had a "bad" outing against the Angels in a nonsave situation, and a "bad" outing against the Padres, the first time hes imploded all season...

He's the closer, no two ways about it.

White Sox Josh
06-19-2005, 02:57 PM
Lose the closer's role? He's 15/16 with a 1.65 ERA . . .

He had a "bad" outing against the Angels in a nonsave situation, and a "bad" outing against the Padres, the first time hes imploded all season...

He's the closer, no two ways about it.that's your opinion. I just think that Shingo will outpitch him. By the way I don't think Guillen has said that he is the closer either.

nedlug
06-19-2005, 03:03 PM
that's your opinion. I just think that Shingo will outpitch him. By the way I don't think Guillen has said that he is the closer either.

Guillen has distinctly said, more than once, that there is no definitive closer.

PAPChiSox729
06-19-2005, 03:47 PM
that's your opinion. I just think that Shingo will outpitch him. By the way I don't think Guillen has said that he is the closer either.

You have really fallen in love with Shingo, haven't you? Normally, I would have wanted Shingo to close too, but Dustin has proven to me that he is just the better closer. Shingo was work his way up to being a set up guy, but I would be very surprised if he became the full-time closer again.

White Sox Josh
06-19-2005, 05:24 PM
You have really fallen in love with Shingo, haven't you? Normally, I would have wanted Shingo to close too, but Dustin has proven to me that he is just the better closer. Shingo was work his way up to being a set up guy, but I would be very surprised if he became the full-time closer again.I'm not saying he will be the fulltime Closer. THey will be Co-Closers.

gobears1987
06-19-2005, 05:49 PM
I'd rather have Politte as the co-closer than Shingom but I don't want 2 closers. I want Hermanson in there unless there is some awckward situation where a team has a history of kiling him as the Padres do.

FGarcia34
06-19-2005, 06:37 PM
I'm listing the order in which I have the most faith in from the Bullpen right now.

Cliff Politte- This isn't an arguement really.
Neal Cotts- He has been very good and is walking less guys.
Dustin Hermanson- I still have faith in him but he might lose the closers role if Shingo keeps on pitching well. Needs more Work. He has been a Godsend considering he can do anything needed(start, close, relief).
Shingo Takatsu- He is starting to come around and is slowly transforming back into 2004 form.
Luis Vizcaino- Has been dominant in June and is throwing more strikes consistently.
Damaso Marte- He needs to throw strikes consistently. He has probably been demoted to a LH Specialist.

Some may disagree, some may agree. Post yours here.

For the most part, I agree with you except for a couple...heres mine.

Neal Cotts-He has been nails lately and I love seeing him come in.
Cliff Politte-Absolutely solid and very dependable. I just really like Cotts right now.
Hermie-As solid as any closer has been thus far.
Damaso-I know he has been inconsistent this year, but I still have a great deal of faith in Damaso.
Shingo-He's startin to come around and gain his form from last season.
Viz-I have no faith in Viz. I hate seeing him come in and it always seems like he gives up a big hit.

PBRWarrior
06-19-2005, 08:05 PM
For the most part, I agree with you except for a couple...heres mine.

Neal Cotts-He has been nails lately and I love seeing him come in.
Cliff Politte-Absolutely solid and very dependable. I just really like Cotts right now.
Hermie-As solid as any closer has been thus far.
Damaso-I know he has been inconsistent this year, but I still have a great deal of faith in Damaso.
Shingo-He's startin to come around and gain his form from last season.
Viz-I have no faith in Viz. I hate seeing him come in and it always seems like he gives up a big hit.

I totally agree. Neal Cotts is the "F" in Man! Redbird Pride! I also think that Shingo will rebound in the second half of the year. Its a great feeling to be talking about guys like Viz and Shingo being our last bullpen options compared to the scrubbies pen. If either of these guys where in there pen, they would be option number 1.

CubsfansareDRUNK
06-19-2005, 09:08 PM
I agree with everyone on the fact that the two best are neal and cliff. Then hermie, then shingo. I believe that hermie is great and will continue to do well despite only one or two "bad" nights. I dont have much faith in marte or viz.

jortafan
06-19-2005, 09:20 PM
Many of you will think this opinion is doggy poop, but I still view Shingo as the closer.

Our team was fortunate that when Shingo struggled early this season, Hermanson was able to pick up the slack. But I can't help but view the first month and a half of the season as an aberation on his part. I don't expect him to come close to matching that record the rest of the season. If Shingo can't get his act together, then we are rooting for a ballclub that has NO closer. (And I suspect that if Ozzie were to have his way, Marte would be the closer -- that thought really scares me).

Here's one thought to ponder, then I'll shut up.

Hermanson has an ERA of 1.65, compared to 5.42 for Takatsu. Considering that Shingo was once up around 13.4-something, he's done a heck of a job bringing his ERA back to something close to respectability. I think it highly likely that by season's end, Shingo will have a better ERA than Dustin.

Cowhead418
06-19-2005, 09:33 PM
I just think it's great we're talking about how great Neal Cotts is instead of talking about how worthless he is.:cool:

SouthSide4Life
06-19-2005, 10:22 PM
Lose the closer's role? He's 15/16 with a 1.65 ERA . . .

He had a "bad" outing against the Angels in a nonsave situation, and a "bad" outing against the Padres, the first time hes imploded all season...

He's the closer, no two ways about it.AMEN

SouthSide4Life
06-19-2005, 10:24 PM
For the most part, I agree with you except for a couple...heres mine.

Neal Cotts-He has been nails lately and I love seeing him come in.
Cliff Politte-Absolutely solid and very dependable. I just really like Cotts right now.
Hermie-As solid as any closer has been thus far.
Damaso-I know he has been inconsistent this year, but I still have a great deal of faith in Damaso.
Shingo-He's startin to come around and gain his form from last season.
Viz-I have no faith in Viz. I hate seeing him come in and it always seems like he gives up a big hit. switch cotts and cliff.... viz=trade material

PAPChiSox729
06-19-2005, 10:33 PM
I'm listing the order in which I have the most faith in from the Bullpen right now.

Cliff Politte- This isn't an arguement really.
Neal Cotts- He has been very good and is walking less guys.
Dustin Hermanson- I still have faith in him but he might lose the closers role if Shingo keeps on pitching well. Needs more Work. He has been a Godsend considering he can do anything needed(start, close, relief).
Shingo Takatsu- He is starting to come around and is slowly transforming back into 2004 form.
Luis Vizcaino- Has been dominant in June and is throwing more strikes consistently.
Damaso Marte- He needs to throw strikes consistently. He has probably been demoted to a LH Specialist.

Some may disagree, some may agree. Post yours here.

Well after tonight, I would have to put Shingo closer to the bottom. Marte got the big K on Drew and I think Viz is coming around the corner. So I disagree with your bottom 3.

White Sox Josh
06-20-2005, 10:56 AM
actually now if you take out the Cleveland game Vizcaino's ERA is respectable. Also Shingo would have a 3.85 ERA without that Texas game. Both are starting to pitch well. We will need them.

Tekk
06-20-2005, 11:52 AM
The Sox pen is really strong this year, for instance:

Hermanson ERA - 1.59
Cotts ERA - 2.10 righties are hitting .063
Marte ERA - 3.09 righties are hitting .208
Politte ERA - 1.32 righties are hitting .138 - lefties are hitting .138
Takatsu's ERA has dropped from 16.20 to 5.49
Vizcaino has held righties to a .216 AVG and he has brought down his ERA from 7.43 in April, to 6.46 in May, and now it stands at 5.12

Takatsu / Vizcaino have greatly improved as the season progressed

Hermanson, Cotts, Marte and Politte are dominate

Jeremy
06-20-2005, 12:16 PM
The Sox pen is really strong this year, for instance:

Hermanson ERA - 1.59
Cotts ERA - 2.10 righties are hitting .063
Marte ERA - 3.09 righties are hitting .208
Politte ERA - 1.32 righties are hitting .138 - lefties are hitting .138
Takatsu's ERA has dropped from 16.20 to 5.49
Vizcaino has held righties to a .216 AVG and he has brought down his ERA from 7.43 in April, to 6.46 in May, and now it stands at 5.12

Takatsu / Vizcaino have greatly improved as the season progressed

Hermanson, Cotts, Marte and Politte are dominate

I don't know if you can base bullpen performance soley on stats though. You have to note who comes through in the clutch and from what I've seen this year, Marte, Vizcaino, and Takatsu have struggled the most. That's not to say they can't turn it around, who knows, they could be the best three come playoff time.