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WhiteSoxFan84
06-19-2005, 04:06 AM
The similarities are very scary. Here are some for starters...

Birthdays;
Mark Buehrle: March 23 (1979)
Tom Glavine: March 25 (1966)

Both are lefties.

Both have 7 letters in their last names.

Both their jersey numbers combined equal 11 (Buerhle; 56, 5+6=11/Glavine; 47, 4+7=11).

Both are finesse pitchers and do not rely on 95MPH heat.

Both are/have been very durable.

Glavine after first 4 complete seasons: 51-48
Buehrle after first 4 complete seasons: 64-44

Glavine's fifth complete season; 20-8, 2.76 ERA
Buehrle currently in his 5th complete season; 8-1, 2.67 (on pace to go 20-3).

Some of these things might be silly but this guy is the modern day Tom Glavine. I don't think many people will doubt that.

WhiteSoxFan84
06-19-2005, 04:09 AM
At 26 years of age, this guy already has 77 wins. At the end of this year, he will still be 26 (born in March). If he wins 18 games this year (more than possible), he will have 87 wins at the age of 26. In 5 complete seasons, 87 wins. Take out the 4 wins he had his rookie year as a reliever. He is averaging 17 (83/5) wins a year. So let's go back to the 87 wins at the age of 26. He would need 213 more wins to get to 300. 213/17 = 12.5. So by the age of 39, this guy should have 300 wins.

Take into consideration that this guy doesn't throw 95-100MPH , thus has been VERY durable thoroughout his career, he may very well pitch until he's 40-41

ilsox7
06-19-2005, 04:19 AM
At 26 years of age, this guy already has 77 wins. At the end of this year, he will still be 26 (born in March). If he wins 18 games this year (more than possible), he will have 87 wins at the age of 26. In 5 complete seasons, 87 wins. Take out the 4 wins he had his rookie year as a reliever. He is averaging 17 (83/5) wins a year. So let's go back to the 87 wins at the age of 26. He would need 213 more wins to get to 300. 213/17 = 12.5. So by the age of 39, this guy should have 300 wins.

Take into consideration that this guy doesn't throw 95-100MPH , thus has been VERY durable thoroughout his career, he may very well pitch until he's 40-41

It's a nice thought, and it could happen, but it's quite unlikely it does. He would have to dominate MLB for more than another decade. That's a LONG time. A real long time.

JoseCanseco6969
06-19-2005, 04:22 AM
At 26 years of age, this guy already has 77 wins. At the end of this year, he will still be 26 (born in March). If he wins 18 games this year (more than possible), he will have 87 wins at the age of 26. In 5 complete seasons, 87 wins. Take out the 4 wins he had his rookie year as a reliever. He is averaging 17 (83/5) wins a year. So let's go back to the 87 wins at the age of 26. He would need 213 more wins to get to 300. 213/17 = 12.5. So by the age of 39, this guy should have 300 wins.

Take into consideration that this guy doesn't throw 95-100MPH , thus has been VERY durable thoroughout his career, he may very well pitch until he's 40-41

I sure hope you're right...that is pending he sticks with the Sox for most of his career and stays healthy. (not easy to come by with pitchers) and you know how careful JR is when it comes to long term deals for pitchers and with very good reason.
But I do think Mark will win a Cy one of these years. Maybe he can keep it up this year and make a case for himself!
300 wins? not too sure he can make it.

WhiteSoxFan84
06-19-2005, 04:32 AM
I sure hope you're right...that is pending he sticks with the Sox for most of his career and stays healthy. (not easy to come by with pitchers) and you know how careful JR is when it comes to long term deals for pitchers and with very good reason.
But I do think Mark will win a Cy one of these years. Maybe he can keep it up this year and make a case for himself!
300 wins? not too sure he can make it.


this maybe off the topic and somewhat of an odd question, but has there ever been a 300-game winner that never won the Cy Young?

veeter
06-19-2005, 07:20 AM
MB is better than Glavine. He's also not benefitting from getting pitches called strikes that are 6-8 inches outside.

elrod
06-19-2005, 07:25 AM
Buehrle is a bit different type of pitcher than Glavine. I think he's a combination of Glavine and Pettitte, who works extremely fast. His change over the outside corner is Glavinesque at times but his cutter on right handers is what makes him so effective. And his quick work keeps the fielders on their toes and the hitters off balance. He also has one of the sharpest minds on the mound.

fquaye149
06-19-2005, 09:16 AM
also, both their vice presidents have the name johnson!

TornLabrum
06-19-2005, 09:19 AM
also, both their vice presidents have the name johnson!

And one had a secretary named Lincoln and the other had a secretary named Kennedy.

downstairs
06-19-2005, 09:20 AM
this maybe off the topic and somewhat of an odd question, but has there ever been a 300-game winner that never won the Cy Young?

Yeah, a guy named Cy Young in the late 1800s, early 1900's.


(Ok, sorry for the smarta** comment. It had to be done.)

downstairs
06-19-2005, 09:25 AM
this maybe off the topic and somewhat of an odd question, but has there ever been a 300-game winner that never won the Cy Young?

Ok, now to answer the question for real. Of the 300 wins+ pitchers who had a significant amount of their career after 1956 (when the Cy Young award started):

Phil Niekro
Don Sutton
Nolan Ryan

The Racehorse
06-19-2005, 09:27 AM
this maybe off the topic and somewhat of an odd question, but has there ever been a 300-game winner that never won the Cy Young?

Don Sutton

downstairs
06-19-2005, 09:29 AM
By the way, there have only been about seven "modern day" pitchers to pitch over 300 wins. Its probably one of the rarest great feats in baseball. The Cy Young and career longevity are two different things...

Much like home runs and MVP. Aaron only had one MVP award. He didn't have knock-your-socks-off single seasons.... the guy just played and played relatively quietly.

Tragg
06-19-2005, 10:13 AM
When MB gets the benefit of an extra 4 inches on the outside corner, and consistently, as Glavine did (and Maddox, although Maddox didn't need it), then I'll call him the next Tom Glavine - hell, if he got that, he'd be a Carlton, not a Glavine.

White Sox Josh
06-19-2005, 02:24 PM
Mark Buehrle will win between 250-300 games in his fine career. Book it! This guy might be the best pitcher that no one outside of Chicago has ever heard of.

rmusacch
06-19-2005, 02:33 PM
this maybe off the topic and somewhat of an odd question, but has there ever been a 300-game winner that never won the Cy Young?

Many guys before they started awarding it. The highest modern player on the list I could find that won 300 games and never won the Cy Young is Nolan Ryan.

batmanZoSo
06-19-2005, 02:49 PM
Buehrle once worked for Glavine & Sons Lawn Care as a kid, and Glavine is a big proponent of Burly paper towels. :o:

MRKARNO
06-19-2005, 04:47 PM
A few things:

Buehrle easily could be the next Tom Glavine. In fact, I think that's probably one of his better comparables. I don't even think that's even the most optimistic projection for Buehrle out there. Glavine will probably have gaudier numbers in some areas, but when you adjust for league and park differences, Buehrle is already a better pitcher than Glavine was at the same age, and more accomplished.

Glavine's age 25 season was better than those that Buehrle has had so far, but Buehrle is on pace to better Glavine's 1991 season. Glavine was solid, but not incredible throughout his career and I think Buehrle has a chance to do even better. Buehrle has more career wins than Glavine did at a similar age by about 15.

So overall, is he the next Tom Glavine or better? I don't think there is much doubt about the fact that he very well could be.

GoSoxGo!
06-19-2005, 04:48 PM
I think that Buehrle is better than Glavin..... I also think he will be with the sox through out his career and will win 300. What do you think?

nedlug
06-19-2005, 05:09 PM
I think that Buehrle is better than Glavin..... I also think he will be with the sox through out his career and will win 300. What do you think?

He has a shot at 300, but longetivety always comes into play, and you simply can't predict that... Also, I would love for Mark to stay with the Sox his whole career, and I'm sure KW will try to get him long-term, but you also can't predict what will happen. I'm sure winning a World Series will have a positive effect, making everyone want to stay more.

GoSoxGo!
06-19-2005, 05:20 PM
Well i just did predict what will happen so get off my back.

DSpivack
06-20-2005, 02:17 AM
I agree with the poster who said Pettite is a much better comparison.