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jehosaphat
06-17-2005, 11:58 PM
Conventional wisdom has it that at some point during the summer, the Twinkies will make a move. Everyone talks about the Twins pitching depth, and players like Hunter who have been clutch enough to have have won it for the past few years. However, I'm wondering if it might it be the Tribe that winds up challenging our Sox for the Central crown? They've won 7 straight and are in the thick of the wild card hunt (if there is such a thing as a wild card hunt in June). Is Cleveland for real, or will they run back and hide with the Tigers and Royals?

DannyCaterFan
06-18-2005, 12:02 AM
The Tribe will stay on the fringe of the race all season long. They are just too strong to go away. They just lack enough pitching.

JB98
06-18-2005, 12:03 AM
Conventional wisdom has it that at some point during the summer, the Twinkies will make a move. Everyone talks about the Twins pitching depth, and players like Hunter who have been clutch enough to have have won it for the past few years. However, I'm wondering if it might it be the Tribe that winds up challenging our Sox for the Central crown? They've won 7 straight and are in the thick of the wild card hunt (if there is such a thing as a wild card hunt in June). Is Cleveland for real, or will they run back and hide with the Tigers and Royals?

Cleveland is beating up the NL West, just like everyone else in our division. They have some good pitching, but I don't think they have enough offense to be a serious threat.

PAPChiSox729
06-18-2005, 12:11 AM
Cleveland is beating up the NL West, just like everyone else in our division. They have some good pitching, but I don't think they have enough offense to be a serious threat.

I agree. I am mostly concerned with the team that is in second. Right now, that is the Twins. Until the Indians change that, I could care less about them (except when we play them, of course). Let the Twins worry about the Indians.

Cubbiesuck13
06-18-2005, 12:12 AM
Conventional wisdom has it that at some point during the summer, the Twinkies will make a move. Everyone talks about the Twins pitching depth, and players like Hunter who have been clutch enough to have have won it for the past few years. However, I'm wondering if it might it be the Tribe that winds up challenging our Sox for the Central crown? They've won 7 straight and are in the thick of the wild card hunt (if there is such a thing as a wild card hunt in June). Is Cleveland for real, or will they run back and hide with the Tigers and Royals?

I hope the Wild Card comes from the Central this year. I would rather them have it than the Twins. Whatever way you break it down this is going to be an exceptional year for baseball. The powerhouses are having trouble! The mid-market teams are coming on strong! Yay for baseball, finally. Yay for competition, finally.

chisoxfanatic
06-18-2005, 02:49 AM
I hope the Wild Card comes from the Central this year. I would rather them have it than the Twins. Whatever way you break it down this is going to be an exceptional year for baseball. The powerhouses are having trouble! The mid-market teams are coming on strong! Yay for baseball, finally. Yay for competition, finally.

I do too...Maybe that might help these East Coast-biased reporters shut their pie holes!!!

And it would be great for them to meet in the ALCS so that they would be FORCED to talk about the AL Central!

doublem23
06-18-2005, 02:51 AM
Oh God, the Indians had to win 7 in a row, just to barely get back in the race. That's a sign your team's not destined for great things.

They suck.

chisoxfanatic
06-18-2005, 02:57 AM
Oh God, the Indians had to win 7 in a row, just to barely get back in the race. That's a sign your team's not destined for great things.

They suck.

Not as much as the Bradley Braves. :cool:

doublem23
06-18-2005, 03:04 AM
Not as much as the Bradley Braves. :cool:

That's tough talk comin' from someone whose team didn't even make the post-season tournament. :tongue:

elrod
06-18-2005, 03:16 AM
Cleveland will hang around a few games over .500 for quite awhile.Their bulpen is strong and their starters look good, but their offense is so inconsistent. Sizemore is fueling their recent resurgence. If he cools off, the whole team will too. Remember a couple weeks ago when the Rangers looked like world beaters? Teams go on hot streaks. It doesn't mean they're going to be there all year. The Indians have shown a propensity to lose close games - not a good sign for a pennant contender.

They've got 6 with Boston, 4 with Baltimore and 4 with the Yankees coming up, so we'll see how serious they are.

Banix12
06-18-2005, 03:18 AM
I do too...Maybe that might help these East Coast-biased reporters shut their pie holes!!!

And it would be great for them to meet in the ALCS so that they would be FORCED to talk about the AL Central!

Yeah I'd like them to show some respect to the AL Central, but the excuse that is gonna be put forth if the Wild Card comes out of the central will be "Well it was a down season in the American League, in a normal year the wild card should never come out of the central."

Get prepared to hear that a lot if the central as the WC.

chisoxfanatic
06-18-2005, 03:23 AM
Yeah I'd like them to show some respect to the AL Central, but the excuse that is gonna be put forth if the Wild Card comes out of the central will be "Well it was a down season in the American League, in a normal year the wild card should never come out of the central."

No kidding...They would probably point to the fact that both the Sox and Twins dominated the Royals, and the Royals are among the "weakest" teams in the game. Well, wouldn't the Royals have a much better record if they didn't have to face the Sox and Twins?

JB98
06-18-2005, 12:56 PM
Yeah I'd like them to show some respect to the AL Central, but the excuse that is gonna be put forth if the Wild Card comes out of the central will be "Well it was a down season in the American League, in a normal year the wild card should never come out of the central."

Get prepared to hear that a lot if the central as the WC.


Of course, the retort is "If it's a down season in the American League, then how bad is the National League?" The clubs in our division are getting the upper hand on the NL West. Even Kansas City is having success in interleague play.

Maybe I'm being naive, but I hope people around the country realize the top teams in the American League are still damn good. It just so happens those teams are named the White Sox, the Twins, the Angels and the Orioles. Not the Yankees and Red Sox.

nedlug
06-18-2005, 01:16 PM
It just so happens those teams are named the White Sox, the Twins, the Angels and the Orioles.

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:3gcbcSvsVfgJ:www.jimpoz.com/quotes/images/speakers/kruk.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.jimpoz.com/quotes/images/speakers/kruk.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.jimpoz.com/quotes/speaker.asp%3Fspeakerid%3D504&h=200&w=150&sz=8&tbnid=3gcbcSvsVfgJ:&tbnh=99&tbnw=74&hl=en&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3Djohn%2Bkruk%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26c2cof f%3D1)
"I know the Orioles, but who are these other teams you speak of?"

EDIT - This one might be better -
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:CVc0VohDDPcJ:http://www.sportsgoons.com/Images/volume3/3_09/john_kruk.gif (http://www.sportsgoons.com/Images/volume3/3_09/john_kruk.gif)

Hartman
06-18-2005, 01:18 PM
I thought they were right up there with the Sox and Twins in team ERA?

Lip Man 1
06-18-2005, 01:21 PM
They lead the league in ERA...i.e. Cleveland

Lip

PAPChiSox729
06-18-2005, 01:34 PM
They lead the league in ERA...i.e. Cleveland

Lip

Actually, Minnesota leads them 3.54 to 3.56. The White Sox are fourth at 3.60.

JoseCanseco6969
06-18-2005, 01:46 PM
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:3gcbcSvsVfgJ:www.jimpoz.com/quotes/images/speakers/kruk.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.jimpoz.com/quotes/images/speakers/kruk.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.jimpoz.com/quotes/speaker.asp%3Fspeakerid%3D504&h=200&w=150&sz=8&tbnid=3gcbcSvsVfgJ:&tbnh=99&tbnw=74&hl=en&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3Djohn%2Bkruk%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26c2cof f%3D1)
"I know the Orioles, but who are these other teams you speak of?"

EDIT - This one might be better -
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:CVc0VohDDPcJ:http://www.sportsgoons.com/Images/volume3/3_09/john_kruk.gif (http://www.sportsgoons.com/Images/volume3/3_09/john_kruk.gif)

Yeah his head is definitely fatter in the second pic

Cubbiesuck13
06-18-2005, 05:21 PM
http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/beatwriters.asp?column=gregor

Scot Gregor Agrees with us.

munchman33
06-18-2005, 05:54 PM
Cleveland is a good team. They've just had the misfortune of playing a lot of games against the White Sox.

PaleHoseGeorge
06-18-2005, 06:09 PM
So how long will it be before BBTN starts talking about the inevitable break through by CLEVELAND to catch the Sox?

:boston
"Minnesota? Ha! Minnesota is yesterday's newspapers!"

:cool:

scottypods967
06-18-2005, 06:30 PM
Victor Martinez is not a .200 hitter and i think if he starts getting hot that is gonna keep this indian hot streak going for awhile. they have great young hitting and great pitching but the sox are gonna take the division.

voodoochile
06-18-2005, 10:24 PM
The Tribe will stay on the fringe of the race all season long. They are just too strong to go away. They just lack enough pitching.

Cleveland is beating up the NL West, just like everyone else in our division. They have some good pitching, but I don't think they have enough offense to be a serious threat.

:dunno:

delben91
06-18-2005, 10:34 PM
For what it's worth, a good friend of mine is a native Clevelander, watches all their games and the like.

He's loving the current streak, but he always notes, "It sure would be nice to win a couple of series against some American League teams."

So, maybe it's got to do with playing the NL West, maybe they're truly streaking, maybe they finally woke up. Regardless of the reason, though they may be winning, and winning a lot, I'll start being "concerned" once and if they catch Minnesota. And even then the concern will only be minor. The only team the Sox have to worry about is themselves, they're completely in the driver's seat right now.

infohawk
06-18-2005, 11:06 PM
I agree. I am mostly concerned with the team that is in second. Right now, that is the Twins. Until the Indians change that, I could care less about them (except when we play them, of course). Let the Twins worry about the Indians.

Despite playing very good baseball, it would be tough for the Indians to make a serious charge at the Sox. Even after winning eight or nine in a row, they haven't made up serious ground and are bound to cool off a bit. Hopefully they do pressure the Twins enough to get in their heads. It would be very helpful to the Sox if Cleveland would consistently beat the Twins during their head-to-head games.

infohawk
06-18-2005, 11:09 PM
:dunno:

Yeah, I think that Cleveland's starters have the third lowest ERA in either the league or the majors, and their bullpen actually does have the lowest ERA in either the league or the majors. It is probably the league in both instances.

MRKARNO
06-18-2005, 11:16 PM
Do the White Sox need to watch out for Cleveland? No.

But the Twins certainly do. The Indians, after that terrible start (due, in part, to us), are now only 2 games behind Minny for the WC spot and 2nd place in the Central. The Indians had too poor of a start to have a realistic chance of catching us (barring an unrealistic collapse), but catching the Twins is certainly an attainable goal for them.

Their starting pitching staff is solid (except for Elarton) and their bullpen has been lockdown (except against us). If their hitting comes around, watch out because they could be a real force for the rest of the season.

The Twins-Indians battle for second place should prove to be interesting because when we run away with this division, that's all the drama that will be left in the AL Central :D:

Jerome
06-19-2005, 01:42 AM
I was legitimately worried about the tribe at the beginning because that offense was quite good last year. Now they have pitching but can't hit? I don't think we have to worry about them until next year, maybe they will figure it out then.

We really will have to worry when the Franchise Brandon Phillips comes back though.

Chisox003
06-19-2005, 01:54 AM
I was legitimately worried about the tribe at the beginning because that offense was quite good last year. Now they have pitching but can't hit? I don't think we have to worry about them until next year, maybe they will figure it out then.

We really will have to worry when the Franchise Brandon Phillips comes back though.

At the beginning of 2004, I actually picked the Indians to win the Central...

I really didn't feel it this year though, and I kind of had the feeling itd be a 2 team race....I sure as hell didnt know the 2 teams (Ours especially) would be running away like this though!

But you have to give BBTN and ESPN credit for picking the Indians AND Tigers to finish ahead of the Sox, especially in that outstanding AL Central preview before Opening Day. Indians, Twins, Tigers, and those other 2 teams that went unmentioned.

It's gonna be the SOX and Twins the whole season....Guaranteed

NWSox
06-19-2005, 02:17 AM
Despite playing very good baseball, it would be tough for the Indians to make a serious charge at the Sox. Even after winning eight or nine in a row, they haven't made up serious ground and are bound to cool off a bit.

Exactly. In any other division, Cleveland's streak would have them in contention, but they're still eight games back of the Sox. As many posts on this board have mentioned over the past few months, with each passing day, the numbers favor the Sox. The Indians would have to continue to play phenomenal ball while the Sox tank.