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White Sox Josh
06-16-2005, 01:22 PM
There have been rumors(believable to) that Bill Mueller days in Boston are numbered because of Youkilis playing so well. What about this trade?

White Sox Get:
3B Bill Mueller
IF Ramon Vazquez

Red Sox Get:
RP Damaso Marte
SP Kris Honel

Marte has struggled and with the emergance of Cotts, Marte has been reduced to Left-handed Specialist. Boston needs bullpen help badly and they could stick Marte in there easily(might be there best reliever if he was on the Sawx). The Sox would get a bonafied 3B who won the BA title 2 years ago. He is also solid on defense. Vazquez is good utility player who is strugling but I feel that he isn't being used right. He has speed and can play 2B, 3B, and SS all equaly well.

JB98
06-16-2005, 01:40 PM
There have been rumors(believable to) that Bill Mueller days in Boston are numbered because of Youkilis playing so well. What about this trade?

White Sox Get:
3B Bill Mueller
IF Ramon Vazquez

Red Sox Get:
RP Damaso Marte
SP Kris Honel

Marte has struggled and with the emergance of Cotts, Marte has been reduced to Left-handed Specialist. Boston needs bullpen help badly and they could stick Marte in there easily(might be there best reliever if he was on the Sawx). The Sox would get a bonafied 3B who won the BA title 2 years ago. He is also solid on defense. Vazquez is good utility player who is strugling but I feel that he isn't being used right. He has speed and can play 2B, 3B, and SS all equaly well.

No sale. I'm not giving up Marte. You can't have enough quality relief pitchers. I'm reluctant to trade him for anybody, let alone a 37-year-old third baseman and a utility player that's done nothing in his career.

White Sox Josh
06-16-2005, 01:50 PM
No sale. I'm not giving up Marte. You can't have enough quality relief pitchers. I'm reluctant to trade him for anybody, let alone a 37-year-old third baseman and a utility player that's done nothing in his career.Mueller is 33 and he was the AL Batting Champion in 03.

CHISOXFAN13
06-16-2005, 01:54 PM
Mueller is 33 and he was the AL Batting Champion in 03.

I'm trying to figure out why the Red Sox would want anything to do with Honel at this point.

White Sox Josh
06-16-2005, 01:55 PM
I'm trying to figure out why the Red Sox would want anything to do with Honel at this point.If he reaches his potential he could be awesome.

Buehrle_Man56
06-16-2005, 02:18 PM
No...I like Marte and I think he will get everything under control. Mueller is washed up.

kittle42
06-16-2005, 02:22 PM
If he reaches his potential he could be awesome.

Couldn't the same be said of most iffy prospects?

SoxSpeed22
06-16-2005, 02:24 PM
No No No. We don't have enough lefties in order to do this. Cotts is gettin' a ton of work already and we don't need Mueller that badly. Marte is gonna be real important late.

RallyBowl
06-16-2005, 02:42 PM
Trade Honel and Marte?:threadsucks

ShoelessJoeS
06-16-2005, 03:04 PM
Trade Honel and Marte?:threadsucks

agreed. this is the dumbest trade idea yet. marte is not going anywhere, and bill mueller? come on, gimmie a break

mdep524
06-16-2005, 04:14 PM
There have been rumors(believable to) that Bill Mueller days in Boston are numbered because of Youkilis playing so well. What about this trade?

White Sox Get:
3B Bill Mueller
IF Ramon Vazquez

Red Sox Get:
RP Damaso Marte
SP Kris Honel

Marte has struggled and with the emergance of Cotts, Marte has been reduced to Left-handed Specialist. Boston needs bullpen help badly and they could stick Marte in there easily(might be there best reliever if he was on the Sawx). The Sox would get a bonafied 3B who won the BA title 2 years ago. He is also solid on defense. Vazquez is good utility player who is strugling but I feel that he isn't being used right. He has speed and can play 2B, 3B, and SS all equaly well. Hmmm... this isn't the WORST trade idea I've ever seen (compared to the Shingo for DLee types, etc.), but it isn't likely at all. Because I think he's a tad overrated, injured and on the decline, I wouldn't be totally against trading Marte under two conditions- 1.) we get a really good deal back for him, and 2.) we get Eddie Guardado from the M's (in a seperate deal).

Kris Honel? Sorry, but he has less trade value than Joe Borchard, no teal necessary. Two years ago was the time to trade him. Bill Mueller would be nice for this team, but he is a luxury and not a necessity. If we are going to make a deal--**if**--it should be for more of a necessity, like a relief pitcher (Guardado? Lidge?), or to replace an injured starter if it comes up.

Chisox003
06-16-2005, 04:25 PM
Hmmm... this isn't the WORST trade idea I've ever seen (compared to the Shingo for DLee types, etc.)

Ya, but it is really bad though

We arent in desperate need of a 33 year old third baseman with bad knees for starters....

And adding another utility IF....To stow away on the bench along with Ozuna and Willie....Good thinking

:threadblows:

SOXSINCE'70
06-16-2005, 04:28 PM
I haven't seen enough of Honel,but i'm not getting rid of Marte.
Unless Jon Adkins can come up and be Mr.Lights Out,you can't
have enough LHRP's.

mdep524
06-16-2005, 06:39 PM
I haven't seen enough of Honel,but i'm not getting rid of Marte.
Unless Jon Adkins can come up and be Mr.Lights Out,you can't
have enough LHRP's... but you CAN get 'em for free if you have a baby, which your insurance will cover, except the deductible, which I'll reimburse you for, if you get the part, which you will, if you have a baby!

beckett21
06-16-2005, 06:47 PM
Bill Mueller and Ramon Vasquez do not put this team over the top IMO. No thank you. Pass.

I'll hold out for Todd Helton or Eric Chavez. Those are the kind of players that could put this team over the top. Other than that, we might as well stand pat. We've gotten this far with what we've got.

PAPChiSox729
06-16-2005, 07:13 PM
agreed. this is the dumbest trade idea yet. marte is not going anywhere, and bill mueller? come on, gimmie a break

I would have to disagree. This isn't the dumbest. It is pretty bad though. Are we really that much better off with Mueller? Marte and Honel is asking a little too much, IMO.

White Sox Josh
06-16-2005, 07:21 PM
I would have to disagree. This isn't the dumbest. It is pretty bad though. Are we really that much better off with Mueller? Marte and Honel is asking a little too much, IMO.what about vizcaino and honel for mueller?

CHISOXFAN13
06-16-2005, 07:25 PM
what about vizcaino and honel for mueller?

Only after we make the Shingo for Lee trade.

ondafarm
06-16-2005, 08:05 PM
I can't see this trade going down. The Red Sox do need the relief pitching but I doubt they'd be willing to wait for Honel to develop. Besides, the White Sox really are hoping Honel will develop in a few years and be a big local draw.

I think Mueller would be a hitting upgrade over Crede but not defensively. As for another utility infielder, do we need that?

ShoelessJoeS
06-16-2005, 08:09 PM
what about vizcaino and honel for mueller?
GIVE IT UP...we do not need bill mueller on this team, i dont see how thats an upgrade from crede. we need someone to put us over the top and mueller is not him

JB98
06-16-2005, 08:16 PM
GIVE IT UP...we do not need bill mueller on this team, i dont see how thats an upgrade from crede. we need someone to put us over the top and mueller is not him

Thank you. Mueller has less power than Crede. That 2003 season was a fluke. Mueller has half the range Crede has. Mueller is often injured and on the downside of his career.

Some people around here are just on a crusade to get rid of Crede. The grass is not greener on the other side. Sorry.

JB98
06-16-2005, 08:17 PM
Mueller is 33 and he was the AL Batting Champion in 03.

My reaction on both counts: Who cares? Mueller is on the downside of his career. This is not 2003. He will never come close to duplicating those numbers again. That was every bit as fluky as the 2003 Esteban Loaiza had for us.

RallyBowl
06-16-2005, 08:42 PM
Trade for a former scrub?:threadsucks

White Sox Josh
06-16-2005, 09:01 PM
Trade for a former scrub?:threadsucksWow what a genious. I guess you wouldn't want to trade for Derrek Lee if he ever became available. I wanted the Sox to get Clement in the off-season. Did i care that he used to play for the Flubs? No! As long as he can help the team I could care less where he used to play.

ShoelessJoeS
06-16-2005, 09:07 PM
Wow what a genious. I guess you wouldn't want to trade for Derrek Lee if he ever became available. I wanted the Sox to get Clement in the off-season. Did i care that he used to play for the Flubs? No! As long as he can help the team I could care less where he used to play.
please dont compare derek lee to bill mueller, thats not fair to either player.

White Sox Josh
06-16-2005, 10:56 PM
please dont compare derek lee to bill mueller, thats not fair to either player.I never said they were equal. What i said was just because they played on the North Side of Town doesn't mean that they would be bad for the Sox to pick up.

SluggersAway
06-16-2005, 11:16 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

hahahahahahahahahahahahah.

Banix12
06-17-2005, 12:39 AM
I like Mueller as a player but asking for Marte is overstating his value. Mueller at the most is worth a B-level prospect or two, not a very good left handed reliever with closer potential. Especially since the white sox only have two lefties in the bullpen. Who replaces marte? Kevin Walker? I don't want to see that. If the sox trade marte then they have to make another trade to fill the hole left in the bullpen.

The positives of Mueller is you get consistancy with the bat, but because of his recurring knee problems I would still want Crede playing most of the games at 3rd. Use Mueller like you would use Ross Gload, he plays corner infield and he has played 2nd in the recent past. I would take Mueller to make the bench stronger, not to start, and definitely not for marte.

chaerulez
06-17-2005, 12:53 AM
Mueller's batting title year was a fluke, much like the last couple of years Glendon Rusch has been able to have. While he could be an upgrade over Crede its not worth it to give up a left handed relief pitcher. A good one at that. Marte maybe have spoiled people with how good he has been, but there is no reason to trade him. Also, Honel has fallen off, going from a top prospect to average. There is also nothing to say that the Red Sox want to give up Mueller. The player they really want to move is Kevin Millar.

JB98
06-17-2005, 12:57 AM
Mueller's batting title year was a fluke, much like the last couple of years Glendon Rusch has been able to have. While he could be an upgrade over Crede its not worth it to give up a left handed relief pitcher. A good one at that. Marte maybe have spoiled people with how good he has been, but there is no reason to trade him. Also, Honel has fallen off, going from a top prospect to average. There is also nothing to say that the Red Sox want to give up Mueller. The player they really want to move is Kevin Millar.

Don't tell that to the Crede bashers around here. They'll argue that Millar is capable of playing 3B, and that we should acquire him by any means necessary.

Foulke You
06-18-2005, 12:54 PM
I find it unlikely that the Red Sox will make any move that could potentially help another contending AL team unless they were quite confident that the move would only benefit them and not help the other club.

RallyBowl
06-18-2005, 03:58 PM
Wow what a genious. I guess you wouldn't want to trade for Derrek Lee if he ever became available. I wanted the Sox to get Clement in the off-season. Did i care that he used to play for the Flubs? No! As long as he can help the team I could care less where he used to play.Say what you will, I would not want D Lee over Frank And Paulie. So you guess right.

Mohoney
06-19-2005, 04:05 PM
I'll hold out for Todd Helton or Eric Chavez. Those are the kind of players that could put this team over the top. Other than that, we might as well stand pat. We've gotten this far with what we've got.

Exactly. If we can't get Chavez, then just stick with Crede.

Go get MORE bullpen help instead (Eddie Guardado would probably make it worth my while to carry 12 pitchers)

PAPChiSox729
06-19-2005, 04:34 PM
Exactly. If we can't get Chavez, then just stick with Crede.

Go get MORE bullpen help instead (Eddie Guardado would probably make it worth my while to carry 12 pitchers)

Agree. Bullpen help is my biggest concern, though it isn't a dire concern. If KW can find a 3B that would put us over the top (Chavez is the most realistic option, IMO) then I say go for it. But I don't want any of these "marginal" upgrades (Randa, Mueller, Feliz) just so we can say that we got rid of Crede. I would be perfectly content if KW just went after a premier closer at the deadline. I am not that worried about Crede.