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Viva Medias B's
06-10-2005, 08:18 AM
In his column today, the Tribune's Teddy Greenstein says "[WSCR-AM (670)], riding a wave of momentum, could hear next week they've landed the broadcast rights for the White Sox. That would end WMVP-AM 1000's 10-year relationship with the team." Greenstein also says that the Score is looking to land the Bulls but that WGN-AM (720) is favored to land them.

downstairs
06-10-2005, 08:20 AM
I certainly hope Jerry stipulated that a pro-Sox show has to be on in Murph's place...

Can you imagine him doing post-game calls and the like? Ugh!

steff
06-10-2005, 08:23 AM
In his column today, the Tribune's Teddy Greenstein says "[WSCR-AM (670)], riding a wave of momentum, could hear next week they've landed the broadcast rights for the White Sox. That would end WMVP-AM 1000's 10-year relationship with the team." Greenstein also says that the Score is looking to land the Bulls but that WGN-AM (720) is favored to land them.


From everything I've heard the Bulls are staying on AM1000.

elrod
06-10-2005, 08:34 AM
What happens to AM1000 without the Sox? I guess it'll be like the Score right now. More talking heads.

Say, what happened to Rick Talender? Why did he resign?

1951Campbell
06-10-2005, 08:35 AM
How many watts is 670 these days? Back when it was WMAQ, you could hear it clear north of Milwaukee. Strong signal = more fans, IMO.

JRIG
06-10-2005, 09:28 AM
How many watts is 670 these days? Back when it was WMAQ, you could hear it clear north of Milwaukee. Strong signal = more fans, IMO.

The same. 50,000 watts, clear channel. As much as I would like the Sox to stay on 1000, the possible move opens up broadcasts to thousands and thousands of fans west of, say, Aurora.

gobears1987
06-10-2005, 09:44 AM
From everything I've heard the Bulls are staying on AM1000.
I doubt that will happen. JR is pissed at WMVP. That is the primary reason the Sox are leaving so I'd expect the Bulls to leave too.

dickallen15
06-10-2005, 10:02 AM
I doubt that will happen. JR is pissed at WMVP. That is the primary reason the Sox are leaving so I'd expect the Bulls to leave too.
If AM1000 offers the best deal, its not going to matter how pissed JR is at them. In fact, I wouldn't doubt JR's alleged anger at them isn't a negotiating ploy.

paciorek1983
06-10-2005, 10:09 AM
If they do move to 670(just for reception purposes, I dislike most of their personalities), which I am hoping happens, how will the Sox be treated on 1000 during the lame-duck period?

gobears1987
06-10-2005, 10:31 AM
If AM1000 offers the best deal, its not going to matter how pissed JR is at them. In fact, I wouldn't doubt JR's alleged anger at them isn't a negotiating ploy.
It's pretty real, see Carmen and Silvy interview

Iwritecode
06-10-2005, 10:33 AM
The same. 50,000 watts, clear channel. As much as I would like the Sox to stay on 1000, the possible move opens up broadcasts to thousands and thousands of fans west of, say, Aurora.

Aurora? We can get AM1000 here in Rockford (although it's a little fuzzy sometimes).

670 and 720 both come in perfectly clear.

ma_deuce
06-10-2005, 10:34 AM
How many watts is 670 these days? Back when it was WMAQ, you could hear it clear north of Milwaukee. Strong signal = more fans, IMO.

On a good day, I can catch WGN out here in Belleville. I hope they make the change!

tebman
06-10-2005, 10:36 AM
Add this move to the back-and-forth motion of the Sox across the radio dial. Here's a comprehensive history of Sox broadcast locations, courtesy of Lip from a thread back in February:

Ask and ye shall receive:

TV:

1948-1954 WGN Jack Brickhouse, Harry Creighton

1955 WGN Jack Brickhouse, Harry Creighton, Vince Lloyd

1956-1964 WGN Jack Brickhouse, Vince Lloyd

1965-1967 WGN Jack Brickhouse, Lloyd Petitt

1968 WFLD Jack Drees, Dave Martin

1969 WFLD Jack Drees, Mel Parnell

1970 WFLD Jack Drees, Billy Pierce

1971-1972 WFLD Jack Drees, Bud Kelly

1973-1974 WSNS Harry Carey, Bob Waller

1975 WSNS Harry Caray, J.C. Martin

1976 WSNS Harry Caray, Lorn Brown

1977 WSNS Harry Carey, Jimmy Piersall, Lorn Brown, Mary Shane

1978-1979 WSNS Harry Caray, Jimmy Piersall, Lorn Brown

1980 WSNS Harry Caray, Jimmy Piersall

1981 WGN Harry Caray, Jimmy Piersall, Lou Brock

1982 WFLD & SportsVision Don Drysdale, Ken Harrelson

1983 WFLD & SportsVision Don Drysdale, Ken Harrelson, Early Wynn, Lorn Brown

1984-1985 WFLD & SportsVision Don Drysdale, Ken Harrelson

1986-1987 WFLD & SportsVision Don Drysdale, Frank Messer

1988 WFLD & SportsVision John Rooney, Tom Paciorek

1989 WFLD & SportsChannel Gary Thorne, Tom Paciorek

1990 WGN & SportsChannel Jim Durham, Ken Harrelson, Tom Paciorek

1991-1997 WGN & SportsChannel Ken Harrelson, Tom Paciorek

1998-1999 WGN & Fox Chicago Ken Harrelson, Tom Paciorek

2000-2005 WGN & Fox Net & WCIU Ken Harrelson, Darrin Jackson

Lip

tebman
06-10-2005, 10:38 AM
And here's the radio half of Lip's research:

Ask and ye shall receive (Part 2):

Radio:

1944 WIND Bob Elson

1945 WJJD Bob Elson, Jack Brickhouse

1946-1951 WJJD Bob Elson

1952 WCFL Bob Elson, Dick Bingham

1953-1960 WCFL Bob Elson, Don Wells

1961 WCFL Bob Elson, Ralph Kiner

1962-1965 WCFL Bob Elson, Milo Hamilton

1966 WCFL Bob Elson, Bob Finnegan

1967-1970 WMAQ Bob Elson, Red Rush

1971-1972 WTAQ-FM & WEAW-FM Harry Caray, Ralph Faucher

1973 WMAQ Harry Caray, Gene Osborn

1974-1975 WMAQ Harry Caray, Bill Mercer

1976 WMAQ Harry Caray, Lorn Brown

1977 WMAQ Harry Caray, Jimmy Piersall, Lorn Brown, Mary Shane

1978-1979 WMAQ Harry Caray, Jimmy Piersall, Lorn Brown

1980 WBBM Harry Caray, Jimmy Piersall, Joe McConnell, Rich King

1981 WBBM Harry Caray, Joe McConnell, Rich King

1982 WMAQ Joe McConnell, Early Wynn

1983 WMAQ Joe McConnell, Early Wynn, Lorn Brown

1984 WMAQ Joe McConnell, Lorn Brown

1985-1988 WMAQ Lorn Brown, Del Crandell

1989-1991 WMAQ John Rooney, Wayne Hagin

1992-1995 WMAQ John Rooney, Ed Farmer

1996-1998 WMVP John Rooney, Ed Farmer

1999-2005 ESPN 1000 John Rooney, Ed Farmer

Lip

wdelaney72
06-10-2005, 10:54 AM
I certainly hope Jerry stipulated that a pro-Sox show has to be on in Murph's place...

Can you imagine him doing post-game calls and the like? Ugh!

I don't want to act as a Murph apologist, cause I'm not very fond of his radio shows, but I have to say since he's moved to nights, I've noticed him give considerable more air time to the Sox. JMO.

JRIG
06-10-2005, 11:04 AM
Aurora? We can get AM1000 here in Rockford (although it's a little fuzzy sometimes).

670 and 720 both come in perfectly clear.

1000 goes to crap after dark, trust me. It's very fuzzy/unlistenable after 8pm every night. I live in Rockford too.

tebman
06-10-2005, 11:16 AM
1000 goes to crap after dark, trust me. It's very fuzzy/unlistenable after 8pm every night. I live in Rockford too.

WMVP beams it signal to the east every night at sunset to protect against interference to another station on 1000 in Seattle. The transmitter is in Downers Grove, so if you're west of there the signal is dicey or not there at all after dark. Here's a copy of MisterB's post from an earlier thread that shows the theoretical coverage patterns of both WMVP and WSCR at night. A bunch of signal skips across the atmosphere at night allowing reception for thousands of miles, but in WMVP's case it's all going east of Downers Grove. Great reception in Buffalo and Pittsburgh, but not in Rockford.

The transmitter for the Score is 50kW and non-directional, whereas Radio 1000 powers down at night and is directional. For comparison's sake:

http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/WSCR_AM_LU.gif

http://www.radio-locator.com/pats/WMVP_AM_LN.gif

The 'fringe' range only really applies during the day; at night atmospheric conditions determine how far the signal will go.

Malgar 12
06-10-2005, 11:18 AM
Aurora? We can get AM1000 here in Rockford (although it's a little fuzzy sometimes).

670 and 720 both come in perfectly clear.

I used to get 670 clear during the day on my way to work, just west of Jackson, MI.

Of course now that I live in PA, its not as big a deal, but I bet I could still get the night games. I can usually get AM1000 at night here in State College.

I want Mags back
06-10-2005, 11:24 AM
I cant see reinsdorf ever moving the Bulls to 720. Thats too cubish. If the Bulls go to 670, will the hawks move to 1000, I doubt 670 could cover both in the same season. Also, I've heard 670 no longer has the Illini, does any one no where they r moving too

cheeses_h_rice
06-10-2005, 11:25 AM
I don't want to act as a Murph apologist, cause I'm not very fond of his radio shows, but I have to say since he's moved to nights, I've noticed him give considerable more air time to the Sox. JMO.

That's because he simply can't ignore the best team in baseball. The bias would be too obvious and glaring.

However, if the Cubs were playing .550 ball and the Sox .520 ball, I'm positive Murph wouldn't even bothering devoting more than 10% of his show to the Sox. No matter what topic he's on, he can always, always bring it back around to the Cubs, a Cubs player, the Cubs front office, or whatever.

Dick Allen
06-10-2005, 11:58 AM
I cant see reinsdorf ever moving the Bulls to 720. Thats too cubish. If the Bulls go to 670, will the hawks move to 1000, I doubt 670 could cover both in the same season. Also, I've heard 670 no longer has the Illini, does any one no where they r moving tooI believe WIND 560.

Sad
06-10-2005, 12:49 PM
WMVP beams it signal to the east every night at sunset to protect against interference to another station on 1000 in Seattle. The transmitter is in Downers Grove, so if you're west of there the signal is dicey or not there at all after dark. Here's a copy of MisterB's post from an earlier thread that shows the theoretical coverage patterns of both WMVP and WSCR at night. A bunch of signal skips across the atmosphere at night allowing reception for thousands of miles, but in WMVP's case it's all going east of Downers Grove. Great reception in Buffalo and Pittsburgh, but not in Rockford.

hey thanks for re-posting that...

that explains AM 1000's "Soviet Radio" -like sound here across the lake at dusk & after...

steff
06-10-2005, 01:08 PM
Aurora? We can get AM1000 here in Rockford (although it's a little fuzzy sometimes).

670 and 720 both come in perfectly clear.



I have trouble in Plainfield after 6pm ish..

Iwritecode
06-10-2005, 01:27 PM
1000 goes to crap after dark, trust me. It's very fuzzy/unlistenable after 8pm every night. I live in Rockford too.

It depends on your antenna and exactly where you're at. I remember a couple of years ago listening to the end of the 14-inning marathon Sox-Cubs game. IIRC, it was the one that Herbert Perry ended with a single to left field.

I was driving around the mall parking lot trying to get some decent reception.

What I've never understood is why 1440 broadcasts the Cubs games over the Sox games when 720 comes in perfectly clear. You'd think they'd get more listeners if they broadcast the Sox instead...

dcb33
06-10-2005, 01:30 PM
I'd love to see the Sox make the move to 670. A bigger range, awesome team, and terrific announcers would quickly draw listeners and new fans to the team.

Best of all if the Score lands the Sox and Bulls it definitey means there will be less time for sports talk, so maybe they could take advantage and lose some of their dead weight, like a certain....
:ass

JRIG
06-10-2005, 01:32 PM
It depends on your antenna and exactly where you're at. I remember a couple of years ago listening to the end of the 14-inning marathon Sox-Cubs game. IIRC, it was the one that Herbert Perry ended with a single to left field.

I was driving around the mall parking lot trying to get some decent reception.

What I've never understood is why 1440 broadcasts the Cubs games over the Sox games when 720 comes in perfectly clear. You'd think they'd get more listeners if they broadcast the Sox instead...

It's been more than 50/50 in the Sox favor this year, and as the season progresses I'm sure more Sox games will be aired. For example, this month it's 16-12 in favor of the Sox plus the 3 Cubs/Sox games. And if memory serves a lot of the Cubs games are on the weekends (during the day when 1000 still comes in), whereas a lot of the Sox games are weekday nights.

Paulwny
06-10-2005, 01:43 PM
Of course now that I live in PA, its not as big a deal, but I bet I could still get the night games. I can usually get AM1000 at night here in State College.

Good luck, I rarely receive 670. AM1000 on some evenings comes in like a local station.

kevingrt
06-10-2005, 01:48 PM
All I pray for is that wherever the Sox end up on the radio dial Looney and Farmio are doing the broadcast. Those are two of hte best in the buisness. They provide so much information and keep you entertained despite perhaps a boring ballgame.

tebman
06-10-2005, 01:54 PM
Good luck, I rarely receive 670. AM1000 on some evenings comes in like a local station.
Like I said in an earlier post, great reception in Buffalo (and Pittsburgh, and Raleigh, ...) but not in Rockford -- or for that matter hardly anywhere west of Aurora. WMVP's eastern-directed nighttime signal is something they're stuck with, based on 70-year-old AM station allocation rules.

When the Sox are on WSCR, they'll be heard in all directions. Way out east, though, WSCR probably won't sound as good as WMVP does now. Both stations operate with the same amount of power (50kW), but the signal is like a balloon -- if you squeeze it so that it bulges out in one direction only, it'll stick out farther in that direction. Hence the "stronger" signal in Buffalo for WMVP.

(back to my Marconi fan-club meeting...)

ChiSoxRowand
06-10-2005, 03:34 PM
Aurora? We can get AM1000 here in Rockford (although it's a little fuzzy sometimes).

670 and 720 both come in perfectly clear.

I can't get ESPN1000 at night here in Rockford.

ChiWhiteSox1337
06-10-2005, 03:54 PM
What I've never understood is why 1440 broadcasts the Cubs games over the Sox games when 720 comes in perfectly clear. You'd think they'd get more listeners if they broadcast the Sox instead...
That's pretty annoying. It's horrible when the Sox game is on WCIU and the Cubs game is on 1440. I had to pay $15 to subscribe to MLB.com radio to listen to the Sox game. :(:

RedPinStripes
06-10-2005, 06:22 PM
I can only handle one show on both stations, but the Score does have a much wider range. I get near wisconsin during work hours at times and it's not even worth trying to listen to 1000am.

I want Mags back
06-11-2005, 12:04 PM
Hey guys. Over the past couple of months we have had multiple threads on the Sox Radio status with ESPN 1000, and a likely move to the Score 670. From thse threads i have learned that the signal for 1000 is much stronger to the east, while 670 is better toward the west. Somebody had said ESPN coulod be heard in Buffalo at night. Anyway, I'm going to be going away, starting next monday, the 20th, to a camp in Barryville, NY. It's about 2 hours west of NYC. I want to stay up to date with the Sox while there. LAst year all we had was updates in the morning from online. Im wondering if anyone from out east thinks that it is possible to get a signal this far away. Also, if you dont think i couyld get it, does anyone know of some sports radio stations i could get in the area.

Thank you and GO SOX

Paulwny
06-11-2005, 12:16 PM
I doubt am1000 travels that far, however if atmospheric conditions are aligned properly you might have a shot.
Many radio stations throughout NYS carry yankee games. You should be able to pick up am 880 out of ny city.

elrod
06-11-2005, 12:31 PM
I've heard AM1000 fairly clearly just outside Indianapolis at night. I believe I heard it as far south as Alabama once. If AM1000 goes that far, who knows how far 670 goes!

Paulwny
06-11-2005, 12:54 PM
I'm assuming that the radio stations in and around Chi know of the lack of am 1000's signal to the west during the evening. I'm surprised, that with a possibly large audience, another station which does broadcast to the west doesn't purchase evening broadcasts from am1000. They wouldn't be taking away any listeners from am1000.

Paulwny
06-11-2005, 12:56 PM
I've heard AM1000 fairly clearly just outside Indianapolis at night. I believe I heard it as far south as Alabama once. If AM1000 goes that far, who knows how far 670 goes!

Read the "Sox radio deal possibly next week" thread. It goes into some detail.

JRIG
06-11-2005, 12:57 PM
I'm assuming that the radio stations in and around Chi know of the lack of am 1000's signal to the west during the evening. I'm surprised, that with a possibly large audience, another station which does broadcast to the west doesn't purchase evening broadcasts from am1000. They wouldn't be taking away any listeners from am1000.

There is a White Sox "Radio Network" among smaller stations to the west, for example, in Rockford and Rochelle. But I don't think it would be very profitable for a larger 10,000 watt+ station to try to do that.

lostletters
06-11-2005, 01:01 PM
670 on a clear night can cover nearly all of the lower 48. 50,000 watt stations can travel a long way.

When I was in Vermont, on clear nights I can hear newsradio 780. Again, 50,000 watt station.

670 on an every day basis can be heard throughout the midwest. Be it in indy, or Iowa.

670 would be a MUCH better choice in my opinion. Most of the programming is local, Cubs, Sox, Bears, Bulls, (blackhawks, like they matter anymore).

Instead of ESPN, which is obsessed with talking about the yanks.

Hell even the nationally syndicated late night shows on 670, talk about chicago baseball (both cubs and sox).

Personally I would prefer if 670 took on the White Sox. They at least are acting like they want the games. ESPN on the other hand is acting like they have no interest in the white sox whatsoever.

irish rover
06-11-2005, 02:18 PM
heard an ad on the score today basicly saying to stay tuned for announced changes to the score

tebman
06-11-2005, 02:38 PM
Hey guys. Over the past couple of months we have had multiple threads on the Sox Radio status with ESPN 1000, and a likely move to the Score 670. From thse threads I have learned that the signal for 1000 is much stronger to the east, while 670 is better toward the west. Somebody had said ESPN coulod be heard in Buffalo at night. Anyway, I'm going to be going away, starting next monday, the 20th, to a camp in Barryville, NY. It's about 2 hours west of NYC. I want to stay up to date with the Sox while there. Last year all we had was updates in the morning from online. I'm wondering if anyone from out east thinks that it is possible to get a signal this far away. Also, if you dont think I could get it, does anyone know of some sports radio stations i could get in the area.

Thank you and GO SOX
At night you should be able to hear WMVP ("ESPN1000") reliably in New York state. The complaint about WMVP's signal has been that it's tough to pick it up west of DuPage County at night. Its signal is directed toward the east at night because it shares the 1000 kHz frequency with a station in Seattle and has to prevent westward interference.

The upside for you is that WMVP's nighttime signal is usually better than other big Chicago AM stations way out east (Pennsylvania, New York, North Carolina, etc.) because its signal is kicked that way at night. So this year you should be in good shape to hear the Sox most nights in New York.

All the standard disclaimers apply: it depends on weather, atmospherics, electrical noise, etc., etc., but your odds are good.

http://www.antiqueradio.com/images/II-11.JPG
One of the many services of White Sox Interactive. :cool:

Viva Medias B's
06-11-2005, 07:08 PM
heard an ad on the score today basicly saying to stay tuned for announced changes to the score

That could be in reference to the Score to begin online streaming.

Rocklive99
06-11-2005, 07:27 PM
Yeah, I've heard a couple of different spots implying the online streaming soon ('The Score will soon be heard worldwide'), but their program director better make some changes also, there's no way you can leave mulligan and buffone to compete against MJH. I have a feeling they may overhaul (well if they knew what was good for them) right when they get the Sox and try to change things around.

I want Mags back
06-12-2005, 06:26 PM
At night you should be able to hear WMVP ("ESPN1000") reliably in New York state. The complaint about WMVP's signal has been that it's tough to pick it up west of DuPage County at night. Its signal is directed toward the east at night because it shares the 1000 kHz frequency with a station in Seattle and has to prevent westward interference.

The upside for you is that WMVP's nighttime signal is usually better than other big Chicago AM stations way out east (Pennsylvania, New York, North Carolina, etc.) because its signal is kicked that way at night. So this year you should be in good shape to hear the Sox most nights in New York.

All the standard disclaimers apply: it depends on weather, atmospherics, electrical noise, etc., etc., but your odds are good.

http://www.antiqueradio.com/images/II-11.JPG
One of the many services of White Sox Interactive. :cool:

ok. thank u. hopefully it works. Most of our games are at night anyways, so i'd be listening to thr end at about 10:30et