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balke
06-08-2005, 02:31 PM
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I don't even really like the guy but its interesting:


Clemens and Johnson have more Innings and lifetime K's right now, but both have pitched at least 6 more years than Pedro. Pedro's lifetime K/BB ratio is 4.39! He also has lower single season and career ERA's than either.

He doesn't earn a lot of CG SHO's compared to Clemens or Johnson though. In his prime I'd probably have to take Clemens. 24 Wins in 1 Season, 18 CG's the next (Johnson's never done that)! Pedro has a tall mountain to climb if he's to ever reach 300. 15 wins a year for 8 years and he'd be 41 as Johnson is now with 300 Wins.




K/BB__W___IP_CG__ERA___Lowest single season ERA


Pedro (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?statsId=4875&context=pitching) :
4.39_189_2384_44__2.70 - 29 games started/ 1.74 ERA and 18 Wins for Boston 1999

Clemens (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?statsId=3340&context=pitching) :
2.97_332_4574_117_3.15 - 31 Games started/ 1.93 ERA and 20 W's for Boston 1990

Johnson (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?statsId=4288&context=pitching) :
3.20_251_3452_94__3.09 - 11 Games started 1.28 ERa and 10 W's for Houston 1998

Johnson's best ERA season with over 25 Starts- 2.28 and 20 W's for Seattle in 1997

Koufax (http://www.baseball-reference.com/k/koufasa01.shtml) :
2.93_165_2396_137_2.76 - 41 Games started 1.73 ERA and 27 W's for LAD in 1966.

Pedro- 1992-2005 - 33 yrs old
Clemens- 1984-2005 - 42 yrs old
Johnson- 1988-2005 - 41 yrs old

Obviously, Clemens is a winner. Pedro and Johnson played on some bad teams that screwed with their wins categories, but Pedro has the best K/BB ratio and ERA. Innings and CG's and Wins are also valuable, so it all comes down to how you weigh what's more important. I'd take Clemens, then Pedro, then Johnson in their primes. It really is amazing how great of pitchers these 3 are, and that they are all pitching together in the same era. Pedro has been way overshadowed by both, and I think he's at least close to Clemens in career performance, and will end up being better than Randy.


Koufax- (1955-1966) was awesome. He and Pedro are only really comparable on an ERA level. WHat the old timers did was unbelievable start wise, but they also didn't have juicers swinging against them. I've heard someone on talk radio talking about how Pedro is Sandy Koufax for us now, and couldn't believe it til I went to look up the stats. Its near impossible to compare eras, but its still interesting.

Fenway
06-08-2005, 02:34 PM
Like Clemens Boston didn't want to give Pedro 4 years and frankly were sick of his diva attitude.

I guess Pedro is in the Twilight of his career too :?:

DaleJRFan
06-08-2005, 02:39 PM
Pedro is an amazing specimen. What irks me is how every sports show led with stories about "Pedro's Amazing Night".. showed footage of the fans cheering.. players running onto the field to congratulate him.. when the night prior, a White Sox pitcher was equally dominant, if not more.

balke
06-08-2005, 02:59 PM
Like Clemens Boston didn't want to give Pedro 4 years and frankly were sick of his diva attitude.

I guess Pedro is in the Twilight of his career too :?:

Its pretty crazy everyone was on the MEts back for signing him for so long. Its a lot of money, but is he honestly going to be injured? Right now he has 104 K's, on pace for over 250. He's downright filthy.

AZChiSoxFan
06-08-2005, 05:56 PM
Its pretty crazy everyone was on the MEts back for signing him for so long. Its a lot of money, but is he honestly going to be injured? Right now he has 104 K's, on pace for over 250. He's downright filthy.

Check back in 2 to 3 years. I'm betting the Mets won't get close to 4 solid years from this guy.

Mickster
06-08-2005, 06:15 PM
Like Clemens Boston didn't want to give Pedro 4 years and frankly were sick of his diva attitude.

I guess Pedro is in the Twilight of his career too :?:

I bet Boston is glad that they got rid of Clemens. Will they be just as glad with Pedro?

PAPChiSox729
06-08-2005, 06:41 PM
Check back in 2 to 3 years. I'm betting the Mets won't get close to 4 solid years from this guy.

Yeah, I don't think the Mets will get their full 4 years out of Pedro. 3 wouldn't surprise me, but 4 is really asking something. I must say that right now, Pedro sure is earning his money. If Pedro does indeed prove us wrong and stay healthy for the next 4 years, getting to 300 victories would be just short of a miracle. Even if Pedro stays in the league for another 5 or more years, he would have to average 15 or more wins per season. I don't think 300 will happen for Pedro. But 3,000 on the other hand...

Mickster
06-08-2005, 06:55 PM
Yeah, I don't think the Mets will get their full 4 years out of Pedro. 3 wouldn't surprise me, but 4 is really asking something.

Remember that Schueler thought that Clemens was washed up so he took a chance on the "emerging" Jamie Navarro....

flo-B-flo
06-09-2005, 12:24 AM
Is this is that.....He is a TREMENDOUS pitcher. Like him or hate him.

nasox
06-09-2005, 02:49 AM
I think his arm will die on him in a few years.

buehrle4cy05
06-09-2005, 10:46 PM
The Mets made the right move to sign Pedro. They DID NOT make the right move to sign him for 4 years. A 2-year deal with an option for a 3rd year would have been perfect. I'm worried about Pedro's arm dying out after 2006.