balke
06-08-2005, 01:31 PM
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I don't even really like the guy but its interesting:
Clemens and Johnson have more Innings and lifetime K's right now, but both have pitched at least 6 more years than Pedro. Pedro's lifetime K/BB ratio is 4.39! He also has lower single season and career ERA's than either.
He doesn't earn a lot of CG SHO's compared to Clemens or Johnson though. In his prime I'd probably have to take Clemens. 24 Wins in 1 Season, 18 CG's the next (Johnson's never done that)! Pedro has a tall mountain to climb if he's to ever reach 300. 15 wins a year for 8 years and he'd be 41 as Johnson is now with 300 Wins.
K/BB__W___IP_CG__ERA___Lowest single season ERA
Pedro (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?statsId=4875&context=pitching) :
4.39_189_2384_44__2.70 - 29 games started/ 1.74 ERA and 18 Wins for Boston 1999
Clemens (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?statsId=3340&context=pitching) :
2.97_332_4574_117_3.15 - 31 Games started/ 1.93 ERA and 20 W's for Boston 1990
Johnson (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?statsId=4288&context=pitching) :
3.20_251_3452_94__3.09 - 11 Games started 1.28 ERa and 10 W's for Houston 1998
Johnson's best ERA season with over 25 Starts- 2.28 and 20 W's for Seattle in 1997
Koufax (http://www.baseball-reference.com/k/koufasa01.shtml) :
2.93_165_2396_137_2.76 - 41 Games started 1.73 ERA and 27 W's for LAD in 1966.
Pedro- 1992-2005 - 33 yrs old
Clemens- 1984-2005 - 42 yrs old
Johnson- 1988-2005 - 41 yrs old
Obviously, Clemens is a winner. Pedro and Johnson played on some bad teams that screwed with their wins categories, but Pedro has the best K/BB ratio and ERA. Innings and CG's and Wins are also valuable, so it all comes down to how you weigh what's more important. I'd take Clemens, then Pedro, then Johnson in their primes. It really is amazing how great of pitchers these 3 are, and that they are all pitching together in the same era. Pedro has been way overshadowed by both, and I think he's at least close to Clemens in career performance, and will end up being better than Randy.
Koufax- (1955-1966) was awesome. He and Pedro are only really comparable on an ERA level. WHat the old timers did was unbelievable start wise, but they also didn't have juicers swinging against them. I've heard someone on talk radio talking about how Pedro is Sandy Koufax for us now, and couldn't believe it til I went to look up the stats. Its near impossible to compare eras, but its still interesting.
I don't even really like the guy but its interesting:
Clemens and Johnson have more Innings and lifetime K's right now, but both have pitched at least 6 more years than Pedro. Pedro's lifetime K/BB ratio is 4.39! He also has lower single season and career ERA's than either.
He doesn't earn a lot of CG SHO's compared to Clemens or Johnson though. In his prime I'd probably have to take Clemens. 24 Wins in 1 Season, 18 CG's the next (Johnson's never done that)! Pedro has a tall mountain to climb if he's to ever reach 300. 15 wins a year for 8 years and he'd be 41 as Johnson is now with 300 Wins.
K/BB__W___IP_CG__ERA___Lowest single season ERA
Pedro (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?statsId=4875&context=pitching) :
4.39_189_2384_44__2.70 - 29 games started/ 1.74 ERA and 18 Wins for Boston 1999
Clemens (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?statsId=3340&context=pitching) :
2.97_332_4574_117_3.15 - 31 Games started/ 1.93 ERA and 20 W's for Boston 1990
Johnson (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?statsId=4288&context=pitching) :
3.20_251_3452_94__3.09 - 11 Games started 1.28 ERa and 10 W's for Houston 1998
Johnson's best ERA season with over 25 Starts- 2.28 and 20 W's for Seattle in 1997
Koufax (http://www.baseball-reference.com/k/koufasa01.shtml) :
2.93_165_2396_137_2.76 - 41 Games started 1.73 ERA and 27 W's for LAD in 1966.
Pedro- 1992-2005 - 33 yrs old
Clemens- 1984-2005 - 42 yrs old
Johnson- 1988-2005 - 41 yrs old
Obviously, Clemens is a winner. Pedro and Johnson played on some bad teams that screwed with their wins categories, but Pedro has the best K/BB ratio and ERA. Innings and CG's and Wins are also valuable, so it all comes down to how you weigh what's more important. I'd take Clemens, then Pedro, then Johnson in their primes. It really is amazing how great of pitchers these 3 are, and that they are all pitching together in the same era. Pedro has been way overshadowed by both, and I think he's at least close to Clemens in career performance, and will end up being better than Randy.
Koufax- (1955-1966) was awesome. He and Pedro are only really comparable on an ERA level. WHat the old timers did was unbelievable start wise, but they also didn't have juicers swinging against them. I've heard someone on talk radio talking about how Pedro is Sandy Koufax for us now, and couldn't believe it til I went to look up the stats. Its near impossible to compare eras, but its still interesting.