PDA

View Full Version : Question about the Commissioners of baseball


Cubbiesuck13
06-04-2005, 11:06 PM
How long do they usually reign for? Who were the best ones in your opinion? What are the chances of getting a decent one after Bud? Any chance of getting someone who will get rid of the wild card?

Lip Man 1
06-05-2005, 12:53 AM
There is absolutely zero chance of getting an impartial leader for MLB after Selig leaves the scene.

The MLB players relation committee wields all power during labor / management issues and they refuse to have anyone again along the lines of say Fay Vincent who would compromise or open the spring camps (like as what happened during the 1990 lockout).

The owners feel that the union has their man in Don Fehr so they deserve one who'll support their side and their side only, that's now the commissioner.

The group of course who is left out in all this are the ones paying the freight for both the owners and the players...the fans.

Honestly all had their faults, perhaps the best was 'Happy' Chandler since he allowed blacks to play in the major leagues breaking the unwritten code that had existed since the early part of the century and also allowed all former MLB players who decided to play in Mexico and were banned,to return in, I think, 1949.

No, never again will you have a commissioner who acts in the best interest of baseball...he'll act in the best interest of the owners period.

Lip

FarWestChicago
06-05-2005, 01:02 AM
There is absolutely zero chance of getting an impartial leader for MLB after Selig leaves the scene.

The MLB players relation committee wields all power during labor / management issues and they refuse to have anyone again along the lines of say Fay Vincent who would compromise or open the spring camps (like as what happened during the 1990 lockout).

The owners feel that the union has their man in Don Fehr so they deserve one who'll support their side and their side only, that's now the commissioner.

The group of course who is left out in all this are the ones paying the freight for both the owners and the players...the fans.

Honestly all had their faults, perhaps the best was 'Happy' Chandler since he allowed blacks to play in the major leagues breaking the unwritten code that had existed since the early part of the century and also allowed all former MLB players who decided to play in Mexico and were banned,to return in, I think, 1949.

No, never again will you have a commissioner who acts in the best interest of baseball...he'll act in the best interest of the owners period.

LipI think you hit that nail on the head, Lip.

Spicoli
06-05-2005, 09:03 AM
There is absolutely zero chance of getting an impartial leader for MLB after Selig leaves the scene.

The MLB players relation committee wields all power during labor / management issues and they refuse to have anyone again along the lines of say Fay Vincent who would compromise or open the spring camps (like as what happened during the 1990 lockout).

The owners feel that the union has their man in Don Fehr so they deserve one who'll support their side and their side only, that's now the commissioner.

The group of course who is left out in all this are the ones paying the freight for both the owners and the players...the fans.

Honestly all had their faults, perhaps the best was 'Happy' Chandler since he allowed blacks to play in the major leagues breaking the unwritten code that had existed since the early part of the century and also allowed all former MLB players who decided to play in Mexico and were banned,to return in, I think, 1949.

No, never again will you have a commissioner who acts in the best interest of baseball...he'll act in the best interest of the owners period.

Lip

I agree. Thing is, the way it should be is to have a Commissioner who is neutral, looking out for BASEBALL and the players and owners can have their high powered reps all they want (Selig may be the owners' counter to Fehr, but he shouldn't be occupying the Commissioner's office). The Commissioner's job is not to be on a side. That the owners are ignoring this simple fact, the integrity of the game is being compromised. One has to wonder if the steroid abuse, for example, would have lasted as long if there was a true Commissioner in place, instead of an owner who stood to make a lot of money with home runs flying out at a record pace?

I know he is controversial because of his Pete Rose ruling (though even Rose himself is on record praising him), but I think A. Bartlett Giamatti is one of the best. He knew the game, especially the pathos and ethos of the game. He was a scholar and if he had not died prematurely, I am certain that he would have continued to be one of the best ever. If you haven't read his book "Take Time For Paradise: Americans and Their Games," I strongly recommend it.

Finally, a bit of trivia about Giamatti: His son is actor Paul Giamatti most famously from the movie "Sideways." In the film, Sideways, there is a scene in which Paul's character shows a picture of his dad and it is an actual picture of A. Bartlett that they used.

Lip Man 1
06-05-2005, 12:36 PM
Spicoli:

Unfortunately the onwers feel the commissioner SHOULD be on a side...their own since they feel that since they elect him, he works for them.

Lip

Ol' No. 2
06-05-2005, 12:41 PM
I agree. Thing is, the way it should be is to have a Commissioner who is neutral, looking out for BASEBALL and the players and owners can have their high powered reps all they want (Selig may be the owners' counter to Fehr, but he shouldn't be occupying the Commissioner's office). The Commissioner's job is not to be on a side. That the owners are ignoring this simple fact, the integrity of the game is being compromised. One has to wonder if the steroid abuse, for example, would have lasted as long if there was a true Commissioner in place, instead of an owner who stood to make a lot of money with home runs flying out at a record pace?

I know he is controversial because of his Pete Rose ruling (though even Rose himself is on record praising him), but I think A. Bartlett Giamatti is one of the best. He knew the game, especially the pathos and ethos of the game. He was a scholar and if he had not died prematurely, I am certain that he would have continued to be one of the best ever. If you haven't read his book "Take Time For Paradise: Americans and Their Games," I strongly recommend it.

Finally, a bit of trivia about Giamatti: His son is actor Paul Giamatti most famously from the movie "Sideways." In the film, Sideways, there is a scene in which Paul's character shows a picture of his dad and it is an actual picture of A. Bartlett that they used.The days of the independant commissioner are gone. In fact, if you look back, I'm not sure that, other than Landis, there ever was a truly independant commissioner.

Spicoli
06-05-2005, 12:54 PM
Both very good and true points Lip and Ol' No. 2.

samram
06-05-2005, 01:47 PM
Spicoli:

Unfortunately the onwers feel the commissioner SHOULD be on a side...their own since they feel that since they elect him, he works for them.

Lip

And baseball isn't the only sport where this is a problem. It's pretty apparent that both the NBA and NHL have commissioners who are basically agents for the owners in collective bargaining discussions. The NFL's CBA is up after this season or next, so we'll see where Tagliabue really stands at that time, but my guess is he's no different than Bettman, Stern, or Selig in his allegiance.

Daver
06-05-2005, 02:56 PM
And baseball isn't the only sport where this is a problem. It's pretty apparent that both the NBA and NHL have commissioners who are basically agents for the owners in collective bargaining discussions. The NFL's CBA is up after this season or next, so we'll see where Tagliabue really stands at that time, but my guess is he's no different than Bettman, Stern, or Selig in his allegiance.

Selig is quite a bit different than the commisioners of other sports, because his sport enjoys an exemption from anti trust laws, something the other sports do not enjoy.

He may come across as an idiot to most, but in reality he has done what no other baseball commisioner has ever accomplished, make himself the single power for the entire league by doing away with anyone that had any say in how the league was run. That is why there is no longer an AL and NL president, they posed a threat to Selig's plan to make himself the only voice of the league, even the umpires union is run from Bud Selig's office.

Many of the problems with MLB would be solved by having an autonomous commisioner. like revenue imbalance, drug testing, etc., but I don't see this happening without influence from an outside source, be it congress or the NLRB.

Should they choose to go the route of an autonomous commisioner I nominate Jesse Ventura.

Cubbiesuck13
06-05-2005, 08:48 PM
So what I understand is that we will never have a better system in place. There isn't going to be another great commishioner. How long can MLB survive the way it is heading?

How long do union reps last?

Fenway
06-05-2005, 08:59 PM
The great unsung commisioner was Happy Chandler who allowed intergration to procede in 1947. But the owners couldn't control him and fired him and hired a newspaperman Ford Frick to replace him.

Then when Frick retired the owners outdid themselves and hired the wrong man. William Eckert after the owners somehow confused him with another more famous general. A New York sportswriter wrote "They hired the unknown soldier".


Kenesaw Mountain Landis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenesaw_Mountain_Landis) (1920-1944)
Albert "Happy" Chandler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Chandler) (1945-1951)
Ford Frick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Frick) (1951-1965)
William Eckert (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Eckert) (1965-1968)
Bowie Kuhn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowie_Kuhn) (1969-1984)
Peter Ueberroth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Ueberroth) (1984-1989)
Bart Giamatti (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._Bartlett_Giamatti) (1989)
Fay Vincent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fay_Vincent) (1989-1992)
Bud Selig (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bud_Selig) (1992-present; only held title of "acting commissioner" from 1992-1998)
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball_Commissioner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball_Commissioner)"

Cubbiesuck13
06-05-2005, 09:18 PM
Fenway, thanks for the links. I wish Fay Vincent could have stuck around longer. The more I learn about the buisness side of things the more I hate the fact I love baseball.

skottyj242
06-06-2005, 02:01 PM
What about George W. Bush?

Condoleeza Rice wants to be the NFL commissioner one day, why not bring back a former owner?