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Cellview22
06-02-2005, 09:45 PM
I've been a Sox fan for a long time and I've never really been curious about their tv ratings in Chicago, until now I guess. I was reading through a thread at the MLB.com forum "top 5 teams that should relocate cities (http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=ml-mlb&msg=44543.1&ctx=0)", and a lot of people picked the white sox, claiming that the Sox tv ratings are embarrassingly low and getting worse. Can anyone point me in the direction of a credible source showing tv ratings. I can't see this being true.

JohnBasedowYoda
06-02-2005, 10:47 PM
I've been a Sox fan for a long time and I've never really been curious about their tv ratings in Chicago, until now I guess. I was reading through a thread at the MLB.com forum "top 5 teams that should relocate cities (http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=ml-mlb&msg=44543.1&ctx=0)", and a lot of people picked the white sox, claiming that the Sox tv ratings are embarrassingly low and getting worse. Can anyone point me in the direction of a credible source showing tv ratings. I can't see this being true.

next time don't waste your precious net time over on that garbage. I'd like to think our ratings are high....but i know not

Hendu
06-02-2005, 11:07 PM
I don't know about the numbers, but whatever they are it's enough to support a $75 million payroll so they can't be that bad.

The whole topic is ridiculous anyways...where is any team going to move to? Vegas? Yeah right, a team is really going to draw the tourists who would much rather be at a ball game than in the casinos. And there's no way MLB would let the Sox go to Vegas with the baggage of the 1919 scandal. Portland? Not much bigger than Milwaukee or K.C. Hey...Montreal's open now, right?

Plus I'm sure the State of Illinois, who sprung for the stadium would just be thrilled if the Sox relocated, not to mention US Cellular and their 30-year deal for naming rights (money which has already been spent).

People on that message board apparently don't know much about baseball.

dcb33
06-02-2005, 11:27 PM
I don't know about the numbers, but whatever they are it's enough to support a $75 million payroll so they can't be that bad.




Isn't it funny how Cubs fans love to rip on the attendance at the Cell, yet the team still ponied up 75 million in payroll this year? The Cubs payroll is only 87 million and last year they drew 50% more in attendance than the Sox. Who's crappin' who here?




What a surprise, a jealous Cubs fan would rather drive all the nearby teams better than they are away from the area instead of facing the sorry reality of their terrible franchise. And here I though Cubs fans were above obsessing over the Sox.

Nellie_Fox
06-02-2005, 11:27 PM
...where is any team going to move to? Vegas? Yeah right, a team is really going to draw the tourists who would much rather be at a ball game than in the casinos. And there's no way MLB would let the Sox go to Vegas with the baggage of the 1919 scandal. Portland? Not much bigger than Milwaukee or K.C. Hey...Montreal's open now, right? Hey, don't forget Charlotte, or Memphis, or New Orleans.

FedEx227
06-03-2005, 08:16 AM
Roanoke might still be in the bidding for a team.

Madvora
06-03-2005, 08:48 AM
...where is any team going to move to? Vegas? Yeah right, a team is really going to draw the tourists who would much rather be at a ball game than in the casinos.

I would love it if there was a team in Vegas, not the Sox obviously.
I've been there a couple times and I plan on going back. I think that would be a cool thing to do.
The problem is that the whole city is tourists. They might actually have some big crowds regularly because people are there non-stop, but because they are tourists, they wouldn't have a real home fan base. It would be a pretty weird setup.
Any added attraction is good for Vegas. You wouldn't have to worry about them having a problem making money or staying in business. There's still plenty of casino time to go around.
The gambling thing is huge though. It would probably never happen.

Uncle_Patrick
06-03-2005, 08:53 AM
I was reading through a thread at the MLB.com forum "top 5 teams that should relocate cities (http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=ml-mlb&msg=44543.1&ctx=0)", and a lot of people picked the white sox, claiming that the Sox tv ratings are embarrassingly low and getting worse.

The guy who was pushing this "White Sox should be relocated" agenda was a Cubs fan (of course). A Brewers fan really nailed the nail on the head:


I love how Cub fans want to move the Brewers and White Sox...that is to avoid the embarassment of a nearby team winning the World Series before the Cubs...again.

Madvora
06-03-2005, 09:52 AM
This is from the thread...


how about moving the chicago white sox to the northwest suburbs of chicago? white sox fans do not go to the games right now because it is very tough to get to the games. for fan in the suburbs of chitown, it takes over 2 hrs to get there and then it can be very difficult to enter the parking lot because they funnel everyone through just a few ramps off the expressways. PLUS MOST OF THE SOX FANS LIVE IN THE SUBURBS!!



Hard to get to the games huh? Looks like that would be reason to move the Cubs.
This guy probably went to one game in his life at Comiskey. It was probably a Cubs/Sox game and he got there about 15 minutes before the game.

Baby Fisk
06-03-2005, 09:55 AM
I've been a Sox fan for a long time and I've never really been curious about their tv ratings in Chicago, until now I guess. I was reading through a thread at the MLB.com forum "top 5 teams that should relocate cities (http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=ml-mlb&msg=44543.1&ctx=0)", and a lot of people picked the white sox, claiming that the Sox tv ratings are embarrassingly low and getting worse. Can anyone point me in the direction of a credible source showing tv ratings. I can't see this being true.
Spending time at the MLB.com forums is as much fun as spending 15 minutes on the toilet during a violent diarrhoea attack.

SoxyStu
06-03-2005, 09:57 AM
It would be a pretty weird setup.

It ballpark could be called The Bordello and, instead of a Fundamentals area, have a...well, you get the picture.

daveeym
06-03-2005, 10:16 AM
next time don't waste your precious net time over on that garbage. I'd like to think our ratings are high....but i know not Seriously MLB boards suck.

Madvora
06-03-2005, 10:22 AM
It ballpark could be called The Bordello and, instead of a Fundamentals area, have a...well, you get the picture.
Now I'm totally backing the idea!

Hitmen77
06-03-2005, 10:23 AM
I've been a Sox fan for a long time and I've never really been curious about their tv ratings in Chicago, until now I guess. I was reading through a thread at the MLB.com forum "top 5 teams that should relocate cities (http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=ml-mlb&msg=44543.1&ctx=0)", and a lot of people picked the white sox, claiming that the Sox tv ratings are embarrassingly low and getting worse. Can anyone point me in the direction of a credible source showing tv ratings. I can't see this being true.

Nothing credible. About a month ago, a Cubune article made a comparison of a Cubs night game on WGN when they were playing a big rival VS. a Sox Wednesday afternoon game on Comcast against the Devil Rays in Tampa to make the point that the Cubs TV ratings were 5 times higher than the Sox. A really fair and credible comparison, huh?

It's just like how people choose those few games in April where it's in the 20s and the Sox are playing someone like KC and only about 10k show up to the park and then Cub fans make it out like that was a typical Sox Park turn out.

SoxyStu
06-03-2005, 10:25 AM
Now I'm totally backing the idea!

Just think of the marketing slogans!!!

voodoochile
06-03-2005, 10:28 AM
Just think of the marketing slogans!!!

Don't go there...

In fact, perhaps we should just let this great idea die the ignoble death it deserves... hint... hint...

Hitmen77
06-03-2005, 10:37 AM
The whole premise of "top 5 teams that should relocate" is pretty stupid - are there really 5 cities out there that are ready to support a team? Look at how long it took MLB to relocate the Expos.

I'd willing to guess that the Sox revenues rank somewhere in the middle of the 30 MLB teams. Attendance is rebounding, the ballpark looks great after renovations, TV and skybox revenue are good, etc. There is NO WAY the Sox should be on a short list of teams to move.

Another thing is that the Sox, though sorely lacking in postseason appearances, have remained fairly competitive on the field over the last 15 years. When was the last time the team finished significantly below .500?

The teams that I believe really should be candidates for relocation are Tampa Bay and Kansas City. They just flat-out can't compete in today's screwed up MLB economics and are stuck in perpetual bottom-feeder mode. It really disappoints me to have to say that about KC because they were such a great franchise when I was growing up and I always liked them (except when they were playing the Sox). But, where would these teams go? Are they going to be any better off in Vegas or Portland?

The other team that I think has been on the bubble is Milwaukee. How many years since they even broke .500? They have showed signs of life recently and their new stadium is giving them a temporary boost, but I suspect that will wear off unless they can somehow put a winning team on the field.

SoxyStu
06-03-2005, 10:38 AM
Don't go there...

In fact, perhaps we should just let this great idea die the ignoble death it deserves... hint... hint...

Notice my verb - think, not write. :D:

Hangar18
06-03-2005, 11:02 AM
Nothing credible. About a month ago, a Cubune article made a comparison of a Cubs night game on WGN when they were playing a big rival VS. a Sox Wednesday afternoon game on Comcast against the Devil Rays in Tampa to make the point that the Cubs TV ratings were 5 times higher than the Sox. A really fair and credible comparison, huh?

It's just like how people choose those few games in April where it's in the 20s and the Sox are playing someone like KC and only about 10k show up to the park and then Cub fans make it out like that was a typical Sox Park turn out.

Yes, I remember being angry reading that nonsense. What they didnt tell you was how nobody was in the seats for those cold cub games either. Shhhhhhhh
dont say anything ....... Good point

slavko
06-03-2005, 11:13 AM
Two pages of posts and nobody gave a valid comparison, let's say a Comcast night game for each team.

TheOldRoman
06-03-2005, 11:27 AM
Im not posititive, but I have always heard that the sox do very well in TV ratings and extremely well in radio. Maybe its the other way around.

LongLiveFisk
06-03-2005, 11:50 AM
Im not posititive, but I have always heard that the sox do very well in TV ratings and extremely well in radio. Maybe its the other way around.

Same here...I've come to the conclusion that the White Sox franchise has gotten on too many peoples' #*@! list and that's why all the b.s. about attendance and ratings continues. If the franchise was even HALF as faltering as these clowns make it seem, it would have folded years and years ago. Don't believe the hype.

Cellview22
06-03-2005, 12:03 PM
Same here...I've come to the conclusion that the White Sox franchise has gotten on too many peoples' #*@! list and that's why all the b.s. about attendance and ratings continues. If the franchise was even HALF as faltering as these clowns make it seem, it would have folded years and years ago. Don't believe the hype.

I completely agree. I've been following the Sox for a long time and if I had to guess, I'd say the Sox do well in tv ratings. Everywhere I've worked, there's always a big group of Sox fans, and they follow the team religiously. Even Cubs fans follow the Sox regularly; they seem to know a lot about Hawkisms and everything about the team and attendance. It can't be that bad. When Frank returns for good in the lineup, we'll start seeing huge numbers.

bayzbol44
06-03-2005, 12:13 PM
My guess is that they have horrible TV ratings because of Hawk and DJ.

Baby Fisk
06-03-2005, 01:00 PM
My guess is that they have horrible TV ratings because of Hawk and DJ.
Your guess is wrong.

LongLiveFisk
06-03-2005, 02:21 PM
Your guess is wrong.

Definitely....DJ maybe, but not Hawk :wink:

MUScholar21
06-03-2005, 02:30 PM
This whole thread is based on a thread at MLB.com? What, the geniuses that post at espn.com's boards were all tied up with trolling on the Yankees board?

Uncle_Patrick
06-03-2005, 02:35 PM
My guess is that they have horrible TV ratings because of Hawk and DJ.

I highly doubt this. Let's say you are a die-hard fan who wants to watch the Sox, and you can't go to the game. Do you not watch the game because you hate Hawk and DJ? If people hate them that much but claim to be fans, I would think most of them would turn the volume down on the TV and turn up the radio. Would avoid watching the White Sox altogether because of the announcers, when there is an easy solution to that problem? That seems sort of dumb.

WhiteSoxFan84
06-03-2005, 02:59 PM
until white sox home games are taken off television or a big number of sox games are not even broadcasted, i wouldnt worry. hasnt espn been picking up some extra sox games lately? that cant mean ratings are down.

Ol' No. 2
06-03-2005, 03:35 PM
I can't believe everyone is just accepting the higher TV ratings BS at face value. I'd have to find the source, but I recall reading that the Sox have higher TV ratings, if for no other reason (Capt. Obvious calling) than that they play MORE NIGHT GAMES. Anyone heard of prime time?

bayzbol44
06-03-2005, 09:54 PM
There are times I will not watch the game because of the 2 dopes. IF I am in a room that has a radio, then yes I will turn on Farmy and Rooney. IF I do not have a radio nearby, I would rather watch another game with the volume on then make me suffer by listening to Hawk and DJ or watching a game in silence.

BABY Fisk, yes, maybe my guess is wrong. However, I would love to see what their ratings are. Guarantee they would be better if they had just decent announcers. I love the Sox and hate the Cubs. However, before this year, I could watch a whole Cubs game becuase of Stoney. This year, I will not turn on the Cubs game, because the 2 new guys are horrible.

Yes, die hards will always watch the Sox (with their horrible announcers); however, to improve ratings, casual fans would have to be able to stay tuned to the entire game. This will not happen with the current 2 dopes.

Thats fine if people LOVE Hawk. However, can someone really say he is a true GOOD play by play person? Yes, he can be a great "character", but a PBP announcer? I think not. DJ, a color commentator? Please, he would have to know how to put thoughts together before anyone can say that. He doesnt show any talent with Hawk. Their chemistry is horrible. With this said, are people really surprised if the ratings are low?

Lip Man 1
06-03-2005, 10:24 PM
No.2:

I don't know how accurate this is but I recall reading a local newspaper story on this a few weeks ago right before the first Sox / Cubs series. If memory serves, the Cubs were averaging about a 5 share, the Sox around 2.1

Take it with a grain of salt but I think I'm pretty close to what the story said.

Lip

Nellie_Fox
06-03-2005, 11:54 PM
There are times I will not watch the game because of the 2 dopes. You choose not to watch a Sox game because of the announcers? I wouldn't care who they put in the booth; I might not like it, but I'd sure still watch. Isn't the game about the players?

I'm sorry, but you can't be a real fan of the team if you'll pass up watching a game because of your dislike for the announcers. That's just nuts.

Ol' No. 2
06-04-2005, 12:18 AM
No.2:

I don't know how accurate this is but I recall reading a local newspaper story on this a few weeks ago right before the first Sox / Cubs series. If memory serves, the Cubs were averaging about a 5 share, the Sox around 2.1

Take it with a grain of salt but I think I'm pretty close to what the story said.

LipYou're probably thinking of the famous story comparing the Cubs ratings for their night game with the Sox rating for a day game on the same day. It makes no sense that the Cubs could be averaging a better share with the number of day games they have. They don't call it prime time for nothing.

Hendu
06-04-2005, 01:21 AM
There are times I will not watch the game because of the 2 dopes. IF I am in a room that has a radio, then yes I will turn on Farmy and Rooney. IF I do not have a radio nearby, I would rather watch another game with the volume on then make me suffer by listening to Hawk and DJ or watching a game in silence.

BABY Fisk, yes, maybe my guess is wrong. However, I would love to see what their ratings are. Guarantee they would be better if they had just decent announcers. I love the Sox and hate the Cubs. However, before this year, I could watch a whole Cubs game becuase of Stoney. This year, I will not turn on the Cubs game, because the 2 new guys are horrible.


Ok..firstly, I'm not sure if you are a true Sox fan (not a personal attack, but if you'd rather watch another team's game, then by definition you are a baseball fan, not a Sox fan). Having said that, Jerry is not that dumb, despite the last decade of bending over while big brother's' marketing dept. claimed this city. If ratings were dipping because of the announcers, Jerry would change it up.

TDog
06-04-2005, 02:20 AM
It ballpark could be called The Bordello and, instead of a Fundamentals area, have a...well, you get the picture.

Prostitution is illegal in Clark County, where Las Vegas is located. Like betting on sports, it still happens most places it is illegal. Regardless, any city, county or state where it is legal to bet on baseball will never get a major league team.

FarWestChicago
06-04-2005, 02:21 AM
I'm sorry, but you can't be a real fan of the team if you'll pass up watching a game because of your dislike for the announcers. That's just nuts.You're right. He is not a real fan of the team. He's basically just an idiot.

voodoochile
06-04-2005, 10:30 AM
You choose not to watch a Sox game because of the announcers? I wouldn't care who they put in the booth; I might not like it, but I'd sure still watch. Isn't the game about the players?

I'm sorry, but you can't be a real fan of the team if you'll pass up watching a game because of your dislike for the announcers. That's just nuts.

Why would anyone need announcers for baseball anyway? Maybe football if you want to learn about the intricicies of the 3-4 defense or why a draw play is a draw play and not a Statue of Liberty, but baseball? It's a pretty slow paced game and for the most part the players are spaced far enough apart where you can clearly see what each individual is doing at any given moment.

Here's a hint... if the ball changes direction, it was a breaking pitch. If it doesn't, it was a fastball. After that, it's see baseball hit baseball or see baseball catch baseball and finally catch baseball then throw baseball to another guy with a mitt who will in turn see baseball - catch baseball.

It isn't rocket science. Turn off the sound and watch the game...:rolleyes:

Baby Fisk
06-05-2005, 11:12 AM
There are times I will not watch the game because of the 2 dopes.

Sad. :(: