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cheeses_h_rice
06-01-2005, 05:01 PM
Frank is still sidelined. Timo's starting at 1B, Wee Willie at 2B.

Should be an offensive explosion.

Frater Perdurabo
06-01-2005, 05:03 PM
Frank is still sidelined. Timo's starting at 1B, Wee Willie at 2B.

Should be an offensive explosion.

:?:

Konerko gets benched for Timo? I've been among the more outspoken Paulie critics, but this is a new low if this isn't an injury-related move.

Randar68
06-01-2005, 05:05 PM
:?:

Konerko gets benched for Timo? I've been among the more outspoken Paulie critics, but this is a new low if this isn't an injury-related move.

Timo at first? *shudder*... I doubt it... is Ozuna in the lineup? Wouldn't he be the logical replacement?

cheeses_h_rice
06-01-2005, 05:06 PM
Timo at first? *shudder*... I doubt it... is Ozuna in the lineup? Wouldn't he be the logical replacement?

That's according to the Sox flagship radio station.

:dunno:

Sox of White
06-01-2005, 05:06 PM
Timo at first? *shudder*... I doubt it... is Ozuna in the lineup? Wouldn't he be the logical replacement?

I would rather have Ozuna as well. Or maybe if Gload was ready we switch Gload and Timo?

MRKARNO
06-01-2005, 05:07 PM
Wouldn't he be the logical replacement?

Yes, except for the fact that:

:ozzie

"I make the (bleep)ing lineup!"

wdelaney72
06-01-2005, 05:08 PM
Timo at 1B?

:bundy

Corlose 15
06-01-2005, 05:10 PM
According to MJH, Timo played 1B in Japan. I don't have a whole lot of confidence in Timo or Pablo right now but Ozuna's 1B experience is one inning against Kansas City.

southsidesoxfan1
06-01-2005, 05:11 PM
Pods
Harris
Rowand
Everett
Dye
Pierzynski
Timo
Uribe
Crede

I think will be fine with this line up.:bandance:

Sox w/ me in attendance
5-0

W 4/16 vs. Seattle 2-1 (12 Beurhle K's, 1:39)
W 4/18 vs. Minn. 5-4 (2 Everett HR's)
W 5/3 vs. KC 5-4 (temp. 43 degrees, Beurhle wears short sleaves, Iguchi's first HR)
W 5/13 vs. Balt. 5-3 (Beurhle 8 IP, 6-1)
W 5/20 vs. Cubs 5-1 (Garcia 7 IP, 0 ER)
:gulp:

Jurr
06-01-2005, 05:13 PM
Pods
Harris
Rowand
Everett
Dye
Pierzynski
Timo
Uribe
Crede

I think will be fine with this line up.:bandance:

Sox w/ me in attendance
5-0

W 4/16 vs. Seattle 2-1 (12 Beurhle K's, 1:39)
W 4/18 vs. Minn. 5-4 (2 Everett HR's)
W 5/3 vs. KC 5-4 (temp. 43 degrees, Beurhle wears short sleaves, Iguchi's first HR)
W 5/13 vs. Balt. 5-3 (Beurhle 8 IP, 6-1)
W 5/20 vs. Cubs 5-1 (Garcia 7 IP, 0 ER)
:gulp:
Yeah..not too worried about it. Get some of the guys some rest before the big divisional matchup with the Indians. We can scrape 3 or 4 runs out of this lineup and get a late win.....again.

PaleHoseGeorge
06-01-2005, 05:14 PM
Time for rampant speculation as only WSI can do it!
:thumbsup:

Ozzie and KW are still pissed over Konerko's comments last week. They talked with him privately last night after his latest 0 for 4 performance and agreed a day on the bench was the proper punishment.

They're also showcasing Timo in case they need to make a roster move.

:wink:

Risk
06-01-2005, 05:14 PM
Frank is still sidelined. Timo's starting at 1B, Wee Willie at 2B.

Should be an offensive explosion.

That line-up is ugly to the core. I wonder if Wee Willie will get on base multiple times and not even attempt a SB?

Risk

tebman
06-01-2005, 05:15 PM
According to MJH, Timo played 1B in Japan.

Well, yeah, but the game in Japan is so much different...

Jurr
06-01-2005, 05:15 PM
Time for rampant speculation as only WSI can do it!
:thumbsup:

Ozzie and KW are still pissed over Konerko's comments last week. They talked with him privately last night after his latest 0 for 4 performance and agreed a day on the bench was the proper punishment.

They're also showcasing Timo in case they need to make a roster move.

:wink:
Funny stuff. Though, I wouldn't be surprised if Timo's dealt.

pudge
06-01-2005, 05:19 PM
Get some of the guys some rest before the big divisional matchup with the Indians..

That would make sense if... um.... WE DIDN'T HAVE A DAY OFF TOMORROW.

This is Manuelesque to the max.... unless of course Paulie is hurt.

cheeses_h_rice
06-01-2005, 05:19 PM
Time for rampant speculation as only WSI can do it!
:thumbsup:

Ozzie and KW are still pissed over Konerko's comments last week. They talked with him privately last night after his latest 0 for 4 performance and agreed a day on the bench was the proper punishment.

They're also showcasing Timo in case they need to make a roster move.

:wink:

I heard Uribe threatened to punk the season unless PK was benched.

Chicago83
06-01-2005, 05:19 PM
Great another great start by Jose, only to become a no decision. What is Ozzie trying to do? Jose has had the worst run support all season and now he is getting the cheap lineup.

PaleHoseGeorge
06-01-2005, 05:20 PM
I heard Uribe threatened to punk the season unless PK was benched.

Let me guess. You heard that in baggage claim at the airport, right?

maurice
06-01-2005, 05:23 PM
Who in their right mind would trade even a warm bucket of spit for Timo Perez?

wildcat
06-01-2005, 05:23 PM
Pods
Harris
Rowand
Everett
Dye
Pierzynski
Timo
Uribe
Crede

I think will be fine with this line up.:bandance:

According to the game notes supplied by fenway, the Sox record with these players in these positions:

Podsednik batting 1st: Sox 29-14
Harris batting 2nd: Sox 4-2
Rowand batting third: Sox 9-5
Everett batting fourth: Sox 0-0
Dye batting fifth: Sox 16-8
Pierzynski batting sixth: Sox 4-2
Timo batting seventh: Sox 0-1
Uribe batting eighth: Sox 4-0
Creded batting ninth: Sox 9-2

Wish it was my job to sit around and come up with these stats!

Iguana775
06-01-2005, 05:24 PM
I won't be surprised if we're shut out. ugh....

mweflen
06-01-2005, 05:25 PM
:timo: = :chunks

A. Cavatica
06-01-2005, 05:25 PM
Why not Widger at 1B?

cheeses_h_rice
06-01-2005, 05:26 PM
Why not Widger at 1B?

Because we need a backup catcher?

:dunno:

Unregistered
06-01-2005, 05:27 PM
If I'm not mistaken, I thought I just heard on AM1000 that Frank might go back to the DL... :(:

Ol' No. 2
06-01-2005, 05:27 PM
According to the game notes supplied by fenway, the Sox record with these players in these positions:

Podsednik batting 1st: Sox 29-14
Harris batting 2nd: Sox 4-2
Rowand batting third: Sox 9-5
Everett batting fourth: Sox 0-0
Dye batting fifth: Sox 16-8
Pierzynski batting sixth: Sox 4-2
Timo batting seventh: Sox 0-1
Uribe batting eighth: Sox 4-0
Creded batting ninth: Sox 9-2

Wish it was my job to sit around and come up with these stats!Wow. Uribe should bat eighth EVERY GAME.

Iguana775
06-01-2005, 05:28 PM
Because we need a backup catcher?

:dunno:

yea, he'd be at 1B until you need him. :tongue:

mweflen
06-01-2005, 05:28 PM
Wow. Uribe should bat eighth EVERY GAME.

And Timo should start in none of them.

No teal.

MRKARNO
06-01-2005, 05:28 PM
If I'm not mistaken, I thought I just heard on AM1000 that Frank might go back to the DL... :(:

I hope not...

Mickster
06-01-2005, 05:29 PM
Because we need a backup catcher?

:dunno:

What does widger playing 1st have to do with not having a b/u catcher? If AJ were to go down, I think Widger could just as easily move behind the plate..... :dunno:

Jurr
06-01-2005, 05:30 PM
Who in their right mind would trade even a warm bucket of spit for Timo Perez?
I bet Steve Phillips would. Wait.....Damn.

MRKARNO
06-01-2005, 05:31 PM
What does widger playing 1st have to do with not having a b/u catcher?

Not a whole lot

mweflen
06-01-2005, 05:31 PM
White Sox SAT question...


:timo: is to :walnuts

as

:jerry is to :ozzie

Ol' No. 2
06-01-2005, 05:31 PM
And Timo should start in none of them.

No teal.I hope he goes 4 for 4 just to watch this place erupt.:cool:

Jurr
06-01-2005, 05:32 PM
:?:

Konerko gets benched for Timo? I've been among the more outspoken Paulie critics, but this is a new low if this isn't an injury-related move.
Man...I'd be relieved if it was an injury-related move. That would hopefully explain Paulie's F-U-N-K.

cheeses_h_rice
06-01-2005, 05:32 PM
What does widger playing 1st have to do with not having a b/u catcher? If AJ were to go down, I think Widger could just as easily move behind the plate..... :dunno:

Is that a good idea, though? Seriously, I can't recall too many instances of a guy playing a position and then switching to catcher late in the game. Maybe Piazza has done it, but it's not common.

Unless Widger has some special skillz at first, I'd rather see a guy with some corner infield experience.

mweflen
06-01-2005, 05:32 PM
I hope he goes 4 for 4 just to watch this place erupt.:cool:

I hope he does, too.

I also hope the Israelis and the Palestinians can iron things out over coffee.

Mickster
06-01-2005, 05:32 PM
I hope he goes 4 for 4 just to watch this place erupt.:cool:

I fixed your post....

Jurr
06-01-2005, 05:33 PM
I hope he does, too.

I also hope the Israelis and the Palestinians can iron things out over coffee.
Loving the insight! Boy...we're on fire today! :supernana:

Randar68
06-01-2005, 05:33 PM
Is that a good idea, though? Seriously, I can't recall too many instances of a guy playing a position and then switching to catcher late in the game. Maybe Piazza has done it, but it's not common.

Unless Widger has some special skillz at first, I'd rather see a guy with some corner infield experience.

Ummm, Widger can play first. Timo?

I'll take my chances with Widger 8 days a week.

ja1022
06-01-2005, 05:35 PM
Who in their right mind would trade even a warm bucket of spit for Timo Perez?

:fobbgod:

"Make that a glass of warm spit and you gotta deal!!"

mweflen
06-01-2005, 05:35 PM
Loving the insight! Boy...we're on fire today! :supernana:

Thank you, thank you. :tongue: Just trying to indicate that, though I hopeTimo hits 4 grand slams, the chances just about equal those of monkeys flying out of ON2's posterior.

cheeses_h_rice
06-01-2005, 05:35 PM
Well, in any case, tonight should be a fun game to attend, as I will be doing.

:gulp:

voodoochile
06-01-2005, 05:35 PM
Because we need a backup catcher?

:dunno:

Yeah, but in a pinch, Widger could go behind the plate and then Timo could take over 1B.

But, the probably answer is that Widger doesn't bat left handed. OG with his getaway day rightie wrecking crew...

Ol' No. 2
06-01-2005, 05:38 PM
Thank you, thank you. :tongue: Just trying to indicate that, though I hopeTimo hits 4 grand slams, the chances just about equal those of monkeys flying out of ON2's posterior.Great. Now if the starts out 3 for 3 I'm going to have an anxiety attack.:tongue:

mweflen
06-01-2005, 05:40 PM
Great. Now if the starts out 3 for 3 I'm going to have an anxiety attack.:tongue:

Pretty much the same 911 call we've had to make the last 2 games... :D:

MRKARNO
06-01-2005, 05:42 PM
For the record, Thomas will be available for pinch hitting duties tonight.

Konerko, Thomas and Iguchi all available for PH duty? That's one heck of a bench

shaunburnette
06-01-2005, 05:42 PM
:jerry

"Ozzie called me for advice on the lineup today"

RowandKicksAss07
06-01-2005, 06:06 PM
That would make sense if... um.... WE DIDN'T HAVE A DAY OFF TOMORROW.

This is Manuelesque to the max.... unless of course Paulie is hurt.


Great point...plus this game is on ESPN...granted Paulie isnt producing, but why not show your best lineup to the national audience against a good team?

RKMeibalane
06-01-2005, 06:06 PM
That is the worst lineup I've ever seen. *** is Ozzie doing now?

ilsox7
06-01-2005, 06:09 PM
Great point...plus this game is on ESPN...granted Paulie isnt producing, but why not show your best lineup to the national audience against a good team?

Who cares what channel is broadcasting the game. Ozzie knows his players and knows when to give guys a day or two off. At 35-17, you'd think more people around here would trust him.

RKMeibalane
06-01-2005, 06:11 PM
Who cares what channel is broadcasting the game. Ozzie knows his players and knows when to give guys a day or two off. At 35-17, you'd think more people around here would trust him.

I'd agree with you if it weren't for the fact that the Sox have a day off tomorrow. How much rest to do these guys need? The Sox have a chance to sweep the Angels, and Ozzie brings out this weak-ass lineup. This has Jerry Manuel written all over it. If Ozzie says anything about the third game not being important because the Sox already won the series, I'm going to throw up.

RKMeibalane
06-01-2005, 06:12 PM
Another point: since Frank won't play next week, one would think Ozzie would want to get him as many at-bats as possible. Or am I just full of **** for thinking that?

ilsox7
06-01-2005, 06:14 PM
I'd agree with you if it weren't for the fact that the Sox have a day off tomorrow. How much rest to do these guys need? The Sox have a chance to sweep the Angels, and Ozzie brings out this weak-ass lineup. This has Jerry Manuel written all over it. If Ozzie says anything about the third game not being important because the Sox already won the series, I'm going to throw up.

Willie for Tad is a normal substitution, especially against a pitcher with Byrd's splits. And I think it's fairly evident that PK just needs a couple of days off. Nothing else has jump started his season, so why not try 2 days off? Bottom line is we won't be missing much with Timo for PK. I'd like to see Tad in there, but Ozzie knows he has to keep his bench guys fresh.

ondafarm
06-01-2005, 06:15 PM
. . .Timo played 1B in Japan. . .

Timo played all of 12 games with the Hiroshima Carp in 1999. He did get some minor league action in as well for them.


On the other hand, lefties are batting .432 (42 for 97) against Paul Byrd so it makes sense to load up against him. Pods, Everett and Dye, OF, Perez, Harris, Uribe and Crede IF AJ Catcher. Thats's 5 lefties and 3 righties. Who DH's?

Of course, if Ozzie could suit up, we'd have another lefty.

Ol' No. 2
06-01-2005, 06:15 PM
Just for the hell of it, does anyone remember the last "getaway special" lineup that everyone was bitching about? May 18 against the Rangers. They won 7-0.

ilsox7
06-01-2005, 06:16 PM
Just for the hell of it, does anyone remember the last "getaway special" lineup that everyone was bitching about? May 18 against the Rangers. They won 7-0.

Once again you bring logic to a thread. Remember, that doesn't go over well here!

ondafarm
06-01-2005, 06:17 PM
BTW, anybody know how the Hiroshima Carp got the Chicago "C" on their uniform caps?

sox1malone84
06-01-2005, 06:18 PM
1. Were facing a right hander, and Ozzie wants to have a lefty dominant lineup.
2. He wants to give some of our starters 2 day's of rest.
:gulp:

kcsportscaster
06-01-2005, 06:23 PM
BTW, anybody know how the Hiroshima Carp got the Chicago "C" on their uniform caps?

Actually, the Hiroshima Carp's caps are identical to the Cincinnati Reds caps, and yes, I feel the Sox can beat up on Paul Byrd with the lineup that is reportedly being featured tonight.

RKMeibalane
06-01-2005, 06:27 PM
1. Were facing a right hander, and Ozzie wants to have a lefty dominant lineup.
2. He wants to give some of our starters 2 day's of rest.
:gulp:

It's fine that he wants to rest Konerko and Iguchi, but Frank should play. He has better numbers against Byrd than Everett does, and he will be off all of next week because of the NL games. Besides, Carl has been brutal lately.

elrod
06-01-2005, 06:28 PM
On the other hand, lefties are batting .432 (42 for 97) against Paul Byrd so it makes sense to load up against him. Pods, Everett and Dye, OF, Perez, Harris, Uribe and Crede IF AJ Catcher. Thats's 5 lefties and 3 righties. Who DH's?

Of course, if Ozzie could suit up, we'd have another lefty.

According to ESPN, lefties are 42 for 135 against him, which is a .311 clip. Compared to righties, who are 34 for 127, or .268. Not a huge split, actually. So why the leftie dominated lineup? Last year his splits were more severe: lefties hit .329 against him while righties hit .219. But not this year.

I understand resting Paulie. Why Iguchi?

Ol' No. 2
06-01-2005, 06:30 PM
According to ESPN, lefties are 42 for 135 against him, which is a .311 clip. Compared to righties, who are 34 for 127, or .268. Not a huge split, actually. So why the leftie dominated lineup? Last year his splits were more severe: lefties hit .329 against him while righties hit .219. But not this year.

I understand resting Paulie. Why Iguchi?Iguchi's not resting. The Sox brass have been reading WSI again and they've got him and Paulie working the concession stands to speed up service.

ilsox7
06-01-2005, 06:31 PM
According to ESPN, lefties are 42 for 135 against him, which is a .311 clip. Compared to righties, who are 34 for 127, or .268. Not a huge split, actually. So why the leftie dominated lineup? Last year his splits were more severe: lefties hit .329 against him while righties hit .219. But not this year.

I understand resting Paulie. Why Iguchi?

Because Tad is not going to play every game. So why not play his back-up in the situation that is best for him to suceed? I don't think anyone doubts that Tad is the better ballplayer, but baseball is not a sprint, it's a marathon. At some point, it is quite likely that this team will rely on Willie Harris to help us win a ballgame. You've got to keep him as sharp as possible.

And 43 points is a HUGE split. It's the difference between a .260 hitter and a .300 hitter. The difference between a journeyman and a HOFer.

MRKARNO
06-01-2005, 06:35 PM
The lineup posted earlier was incorrect. The actual lineup is:

Podsednik L
Uribe R
Rowand R
Everett S (but better L)
Pierzynski L
Dye R
Perez L
Crede R
Harris L

Ozzie decided to stack the lefties at all costs basically.

Ol' No. 2
06-01-2005, 06:35 PM
Lineup is up on Gameday:

Pods
Uribe
Rowand
Everett
AJ
Dye
Perez
Crede
Harris

Crede?NOOO!!!!!
06-01-2005, 06:37 PM
do you know who should be forced out of the lineup. Joe Crede.

Maybe Gload is a good third baseman.
Timo over Konerko, Good Job by Ozzie rewarding him for that game winning hit

ondafarm
06-01-2005, 06:40 PM
Actually, the Hiroshima Carp's caps are identical to the Cincinnati Reds caps, and yes, I feel the Sox can beat up on Paul Byrd with the lineup that is reportedly being featured tonight.

Actually not. The Carp were originally formed from the Chuo University baseball team. Chuo had played host to the University of Chicago's baseball team in 1912 and copied their uniforms exactly, including the Chicago C. Note that the Bears also copied the U of C's team, the "Monsters of the Midway."

elrod
06-01-2005, 06:43 PM
Because Tad is not going to play every game. So why not play his back-up in the situation that is best for him to suceed? I don't think anyone doubts that Tad is the better ballplayer, but baseball is not a sprint, it's a marathon. At some point, it is quite likely that this team will rely on Willie Harris to help us win a ballgame. You've got to keep him as sharp as possible.

And 43 points is a HUGE split. It's the difference between a .260 hitter and a .300 hitter. The difference between a journeyman and a HOFer.

43 points is a big split, but not outrageous. Freddy Garcia's splits are .282 and .202, lefty and righty respectively. All other Sox starters have splits under 20 differential.

fquaye149
06-01-2005, 06:51 PM
White Sox SAT question...


:timo: is to :walnuts

as

:jerry is to :ozzie

why would you paint such a flattering portrait of manuel?

also who cares if Timo's played 1b before. A monkey could play first base.

Ol' No. 2
06-01-2005, 06:52 PM
43 points is a big split, but not outrageous. Freddy Garcia's splits are .282 and .202, lefty and righty respectively. All other Sox starters have splits under 20 differential.Paul Byrd 2005
Against LHB RHB
OBA .354 .285
K/9 2.51 6.06
BB/9 2.51 0.55
WHIP 1.58 1.10

If you're ever going to play your lefties, when are you going to find a more advantageous time?

Elitemafia
06-01-2005, 07:30 PM
So much for lefties hitting well against him...

gobears1987
06-01-2005, 08:27 PM
That line-up is ugly to the core. I wonder if Wee Willie will get on base multiple times and not even attempt a SB?

Risk
In fairness he has had more SB's in the past week than Pods.

CPditka
06-02-2005, 12:33 AM
why would you paint such a flattering portrait of manuel?

also who cares if Timo's played 1b before. A monkey could play first base.

Did you see the game, Timo boggled just about everything, if I had one more Timo play, or one more Kosher dog, I just might have had a heart attack.

fquaye149
06-02-2005, 01:28 AM
Did you see the game, Timo boggled just about everything, if I had one more Timo play, or one more Kosher dog, I just might have had a heart attack.

Ugh I thought about my post as I watched Timo feed me my words.

Deadguy
06-02-2005, 10:49 AM
also who cares if Timo's played 1b before. A monkey could play first base.

:walnuts
"Yeah, but I can pull off the 3-6-3 better than 7 out of 10 monkeys. It's written on my business card. This is why I make the big bucks."