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seanpmurphy
05-28-2005, 01:28 PM
Im just starting this thread cause I have seen several related to the Sox going after Randa, Chavez, and Mackowiak. Figure it'd be nice to have a single thread to talk about all of it in one place.

I like Crede, but there's definitely room for improvement at the hot corner and I think out of those three who ever presents the best overall upgrade coupled with a good price should be sought.

As for those "if it ain't broke" types. there's a difference between fixing something that's not broken and safeguarding something from becoming broken. I think 3B is some where we might have to do that.

Rocklive99
05-28-2005, 01:52 PM
Well, I was cruising the Reds board, and they were talking about how on BBTN a Reds exec said that anyone on the team is available

I say leave the team alone, the only issue is the offense, and a couple weeks ago I would have said to get a RF, but Dye seems to slowly be coming around. Also, with Frank coming back, it gives a lot of flexibility on whether Carl or Dye are hitting or not. I like Crede's D, I don't mind when he doesn't hit

Chicago83
05-28-2005, 01:52 PM
Chavez really scares me, he's slumping badly, batting 60 points lower than his career average with 4 HR. You got to figure he's better than that, but he may be injured or just having a bad year. We need a big bat to come and save this offense. I suggested Mackowiak, but he's only a back up. I would love to see him on the team but we need more than that. I don't see any other position we can upgrade, unless we get a SS and let Uribe play 3B with Crede. I know Kenny is going to do something, he always does and this year is something special.

rowand33
05-31-2005, 01:03 AM
well, we could get a RF and send Dye out of the offense. Of couse I feel that 1-5 we're deep in OF (1-Rowand, 2-Pods, 3-Dye, 4-Crazy Carl, 5-Gload) already, so that seems like overkill.

Optipessimism
05-31-2005, 03:39 AM
Since we're talking aout fantasy trade ideas for a third baseman, what about Melvin Mora? The Sox need offense and the O's need pitching to try to stay in the fight with the Yanks and Red Sox. I wonder if they would consider some kind of deal starting with Crede + McCarthy for Mora? The O's would get a young promising SP they could plug in right away and a more than serviceable 3B who, as bad as he's been with the bat, looks like he may post better numbers this year. The Sox get a huge offensive upgrade at 3B in Mora who can come through in the clutch and can steal a base. I think Mora could really fit in well with this team and Ozzie's style of play, and if it could be done, would be well worth the risk of trading McCarthy.

Ol' No. 2
05-31-2005, 09:31 AM
Since we're talking aout fantasy trade ideas for a third baseman, what about Melvin Mora? The Sox need offense and the O's need pitching to try to stay in the fight with the Yanks and Red Sox. I wonder if they would consider some kind of deal starting with Crede + McCarthy for Mora? The O's would get a young promising SP they could plug in right away and a more than serviceable 3B who, as bad as he's been with the bat, looks like he may post better numbers this year. The Sox get a huge offensive upgrade at 3B in Mora who can come through in the clutch and can steal a base. I think Mora could really fit in well with this team and Ozzie's style of play, and if it could be done, would be well worth the risk of trading McCarthy.Maybe we could throw in Brian Anderson and Ryan Sweeney, too.

Jjav829
05-31-2005, 11:18 AM
Since we're talking aout fantasy trade ideas for a third baseman, what about Melvin Mora? The Sox need offense and the O's need pitching to try to stay in the fight with the Yanks and Red Sox. I wonder if they would consider some kind of deal starting with Crede + McCarthy for Mora? The O's would get a young promising SP they could plug in right away and a more than serviceable 3B who, as bad as he's been with the bat, looks like he may post better numbers this year. The Sox get a huge offensive upgrade at 3B in Mora who can come through in the clutch and can steal a base. I think Mora could really fit in well with this team and Ozzie's style of play, and if it could be done, would be well worth the risk of trading McCarthy.

Why would the Orioles do that? They have enough young pitching as it is. They are in a position to contend for the AL East. Trading one of their best bats for an unknown, rookie pitcher would do them no good. They're going to be looking for a veteran pitcher to help that staff. I'd imagine they'll look into guys like Kip Wells, Jason Jennings, etc. But there's no way they're gonna trade Mora for McCarthy and Crede.

Palehose13
05-31-2005, 11:34 AM
Of the three options listed, I would like to see KW trade for Randa. He makes less moeny than Chavez and at this point is more productive. I know that Randa makes a little more then 2mil this year, does anyone know his contract status after this year? He could be a nice stop gap until future all-star Josh Fields is ready for the bigs.

MUScholar21
05-31-2005, 11:45 AM
Chavez really scares me, he's slumping badly, batting 60 points lower than his career average with 4 HR. You got to figure he's better than that, but he may be injured or just having a bad year. We need a big bat to come and save this offense. I suggested Mackowiak, but he's only a back up. I would love to see him on the team but we need more than that. I don't see any other position we can upgrade, unless we get a SS and let Uribe play 3B with Crede. I know Kenny is going to do something, he always does and this year is something special.

Chavez is getting junk thrown to him, because he is the only threat in the lineup right now. He would benefit from a good lineup spot with the Sox, but to do that, teams would have to think other guys in our lineup can hit. KW made a good point last week that when guys are giving themselves up to advance runners, their BA will slip. But it won't slip so much that everyone is nearing the Mendoza line.

Palehose13
05-31-2005, 11:48 AM
Chavez is getting junk thrown to him, because he is the only threat in the lineup right now. He would benefit from a good lineup spot with the Sox, but to do that, teams would have to think other guys in our lineup can hit. KW made a good point last week that when guys are giving themselves up to advance runners, their BA will slip. But it won't slip so much that everyone is nearing the Mendoza line.

I agree with you about why Chavez isn't hitting. I would like to have him on the Sox, but I don't see them picking up his contract.

mikehuff
05-31-2005, 12:15 PM
Here's a list of all the third basemen.


Alfonzo, Edgardo (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/7375)3B, San Francisco Giants
Atkins, Garrett (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/292231)3B, Colorado Rockies
Baerga, Carlos (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/7399)3B, Washington Nationals
Bell, David (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/7416)3B, Philadelphia Phillies
Beltre, Adrian (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/11491)3B, Seattle Mariners
Betemit, Wilson (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/212252)3B, Atlanta Braves
Blalock, Hank (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/288940)3B, Texas Rangers
Boone, Aaron (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/7449)3B, Cleveland Indians
Branyan, Russell (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/20277)3B, Milwaukee Brewers
Burroughs, Sean (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/174820)3B, San Diego Padres
Castilla, Vinny (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/7501)3B, Washington Nationals
Chavez, Eric (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/18738)3B, Oakland Athletics
Cirillo, Jeff (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/7514)3B, Milwaukee Brewers
Crede, Joe (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/23555)3B, Chicago White Sox
Cuddyer, Michael (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/23606)3B, Minnesota Twins
Dillon, Joe (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/292821)3B, Florida Marlins
Edwards, Mike (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/390802)3B, Los Angeles Dodgers
Ensberg, Morgan (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/205022)3B, Houston Astros
Glaus, Troy (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/13014)3B, Arizona Diamondbacks
Gonzalez, Alex S. (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/7644)3B, Tampa Bay Devil Rays
Graffanino, Tony (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/7656)3B, Kansas City Royals
Hansen, Dave (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/127080)3B, Seattle Mariners
Harris, Brendan (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/392185)3B, Washington Nationals
Helms, Wes (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/18517)3B, Milwaukee Brewers
Hill, Aaron (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/484952)3B, Toronto Blue Jays
Hill, Bobby R. (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/223962)3B, Pittsburgh Pirates
Hillenbrand, Shea (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/21583)3B, Toronto Blue Jays
Inge, Brandon (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/128898)3B, Detroit Tigers
I (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/392082)zturis, Maicer (DL) 3B, Los Angeles Angels
Jones, Chipper (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/7767)3B, Atlanta Braves
Koskie, Corey (DL) (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/18718) 3B, Toronto Blue Jays
Lowell, Mike (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/18749)3B, Florida Marlins
Macias, Jose (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/134410)3B, Chicago Cubs
McEwing, Joe (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/18584)3B, Kansas City Royals
McPherson, Dallas (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/387404)3B, Los Angeles Angels
Mora, Melvin (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/27501)3B, Baltimore Orioles
Mueller, Bill (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/7910)3B, Boston Red Sox
Quinlan, Robb (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/225423)3B, Los Angeles Angels
Ramirez, Aramis (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/11073)3B, Chicago Cubs
Randa, Joe (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/7997)3B, Cincinnati Reds
Relaford, Desi (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/8005)3B, Colorado Rockies
Robles, Oscar (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/390823)3B, Los Angeles Dodgers
Rodriguez, Alex (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/8023)3B, New York Yankees
Rolen, Scott (DL) (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/8031) 3B, St. Louis Cardinals
Seabol, Scott (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/212259)3B, St. Louis Cardinals
Teahen, Mark (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/490439)3B, Kansas City Royals
Valentin, Jose (DL) (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/8141) 3B, Los Angeles DodgersVazquez, Ramon (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/182119)3B, Boston Red Sox
Wigginton, Ty (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/182000)3B, Pittsburgh Pirates
Wright, David (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/483349)3B, New York Mets
Youkilis, Kevin (http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/players/playerpage/390828)3B, Boston Red Sox

Ol' No. 2
05-31-2005, 12:26 PM
If you don't mind a lack of power, both Hillenbrand and Mackowiak are better options than Randa.

TheOldRoman
05-31-2005, 01:42 PM
If you don't mind a lack of power, both Hillenbrand and Mackowiak are better options than Randa.
How is his defense?

ondafarm
05-31-2005, 01:54 PM
Since we're talking aout fantasy trade ideas for a third baseman, what about Melvin Mora? The Sox need offense and the O's need pitching to try to stay in the fight with the Yanks and Red Sox. I wonder if they would consider some kind of deal starting with Crede + McCarthy for Mora? The O's would get a young promising SP they could plug in right away and a more than serviceable 3B who, as bad as he's been with the bat, looks like he may post better numbers this year. The Sox get a huge offensive upgrade at 3B in Mora who can come through in the clutch and can steal a base. I think Mora could really fit in well with this team and Ozzie's style of play, and if it could be done, would be well worth the risk of trading McCarthy.

No way do the Sox trade McCarthy. No way, no how.

socko82
05-31-2005, 05:08 PM
Instead of Randa, what about Ryan Freel? He was the Reds regular thirdbaseman last year but is playing 2nd this year. Think if you had a top 3 of Pods, Freel and Iguchi. Or you could bat him 9th for a modern day version of Rudy Law/Juice Cruz.

jhill36
05-31-2005, 05:17 PM
It's looking less and less likely. I started the season saying give him a couple of months to see what he can do. Time's up. KW has to start looking at alternatives. If Crede kicks it into gear before Kenny can get a deal done, fine. You'd pretty much have to put Dye in the same category, except he's going to be almost impossible to trade. They'd have to peddle Timo and put Dye on the bench.

June is almost here. The situation isn't urgent, but there's no point in waiting until it is. IMO, June is the time the Sox can make the biggest headway. They can't afford to waste it.

What you think of the Reds' Ryan Freel for Joe Crede?

PAPChiSox729
05-31-2005, 05:21 PM
What you think of the Reds' Ryan Freel for Joe Crede?

There's no way they go for that. Isn't Freel playing 2nd these days? I know he can play third but if I were the Reds' GM, I would never go for that deal with those two players straight up.

Ol' No. 2
05-31-2005, 05:57 PM
What you think of the Reds' Ryan Freel for Joe Crede?If you were the Reds' GM, would YOU trade Ryan Freel for Joe Crede?

Kenny has to decide how he wants to go with this. He can get someone who's going to fill that spot for several years to come, but that's going to come at a cost of prospects traded away. It will also cost big $$$ (and payroll flexibility in coming years) if he goes for someone like Chavez. Or he can get someone like Mackowiak or Hillenbrand (neither one chopped liver) and have money to spend elsewhere and keep his top prospects.

FedEx227
05-31-2005, 07:24 PM
I doubt the Reds would trade Freel right now...hes been the one bright spot on the Reds team.

and for whoever asked what he plays, he plays just about everything, 2B, 3B, SS, OF...

i guess it would be a nice liberty to have but I doubt the Reds would give up on him..

we can get Wily Mo Pena! :bandance:

gosox3072
06-01-2005, 12:20 AM
what about aubrey huff.....he can play 3rd base cant he?

Chicago83
06-01-2005, 01:17 AM
what about aubrey huff.....he can play 3rd base cant he?

Yes, but he is batting about as well as Crede right now, if not worse. I think Mackowiak is the best option if you can't get someone big. I want Kenny to get as big a bat as possible for this team, I just don't see where else we have room for one other than 3rd base. Maybe we should just go with Mackowiak and get bullpen help instead.

rowand33
06-01-2005, 01:41 AM
oooo Ryan Freel!

thumbs up there.

37 steals last season. 12 so far this year.

career .285 hitter. with a career .378 OBP (.430 this year)

imagine a lineup of:

Pods
Gooch
Thomas
Konerko
Rowand
AJ
Dye
Freel
Uribe

AWESOME speed at the bottom and the top.

course, I think that anything we'd be giving up for him would be overpaying or underpaying.

I doubt there's a free trade for either side.