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knocko94
05-27-2005, 11:43 PM
Per ESPN

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=250527113

Who's coming up? Big Frank?

DickAllen72
05-27-2005, 11:45 PM
Probably.

LongLiveFisk
05-27-2005, 11:45 PM
Wow that didn't take long! :redneck

anewman35
05-27-2005, 11:46 PM
Per ESPN

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=250527113

Who's coming up? Big Frank?

I'd have to guess Gload. Per the Tribune:

"Ross Gload, who also is playing at Charlotte on a rehab assignment, homered Friday and could be in uniform for Saturday's game against Texas.

"He's swinging the bat a lot better," Guillen said.

"And right now we're struggling for a pinch hitter from the left side." "

DickAllen72
05-27-2005, 11:53 PM
I'd have to guess Gload. Per the Tribune:

"Ross Gload, who also is playing at Charlotte on a rehab assignment, homered Friday and could be in uniform for Saturday's game against Texas.

"He's swinging the bat a lot better," Guillen said.

"And right now we're struggling for a pinch hitter from the left side." "

That means when Frank does come back Timo is most likely the one to go.

It will be good to have Gload back. Not only do we need a LH pinch hitter, we also need a proven defensive first baseman to back up Paulie and give him a rest once in a while.

Cubbiesuck13
05-28-2005, 12:10 AM
That means when Frank does come back Timo is most likely the one to go.

It will be good to have Gload back. Not only do we need a LH pinch hitter, we also need a proven defensive first baseman to back up Paulie and give him a rest once in a while.

What about Walker going down when Frank comes up?

DickAllen72
05-28-2005, 12:17 AM
What about Walker going down when Frank comes up?

Walker, or maybe Cotts will probably be sent down when El Duque comes back Wednesday.

The problem with cutting Walker is that he has no options left so they'd have to waive him. Since LHP is in short supply, he may be claimed by another team.

Maybe they can option Cotts down to AAA where he can get more innings in, stretch himself out and possibly learn another pitch.

We'll soon see.

rowand33
05-28-2005, 12:40 AM
what about Vizcaino going down when El Duque comes back? Walker's ERA is still zero. Leaky Luis belongs in the Cub's pen right now...

kevingrt
05-28-2005, 08:47 AM
I like the move of McCarthy back to the minors. He showed promise pitching at the Urinal but then came back and had a tough outing Friday. I don't want to do with McCarthy what we did with Cotts in what 2003. McCarthy is going to be a major league starter but he is only 21. How many pitchers succeed at the age of 21? Not many.

But yesm the question is who is going to come up. I'm betting they'll go with a 24 man roster until Wednesday then take El Duque off the DL and have him start Wednesday. I still don't like not having a back up first baseman though and I don't like having suched a packed bullpen when our starters have been doing consistently well, and the bullpen is only having to pitch two to three innings.

jabrch
05-28-2005, 09:26 AM
Nice trip to the show Brandon...Now go back to Charlotte and work on keeping the ball in the park. I look forward to great things ahead from you!

See you in September.

White Sox Josh
05-28-2005, 09:40 AM
Walker, or maybe Cotts will probably be sent down when El Duque comes back Wednesday.

The problem with cutting Walker is that he has no options left so they'd have to waive him. Since LHP is in short supply, he may be claimed by another team.

Maybe they can option Cotts down to AAA where he can get more innings in, stretch himself out and possibly learn another pitch.

We'll soon see.I've been impressed with Walker so hopefully Cotts is sent down so he can start some games.

Huisj
05-28-2005, 09:59 AM
I like the move of McCarthy back to the minors. He showed promise pitching at the Urinal but then came back and had a tough outing Friday. I don't want to do with McCarthy what we did with Cotts in what 2003. McCarthy is going to be a major league starter but he is only 21. How many pitchers succeed at the age of 21? Not many.

But yesm the question is who is going to come up. I'm betting they'll go with a 24 man roster until Wednesday then take El Duque off the DL and have him start Wednesday. I still don't like not having a back up first baseman though and I don't like having suched a packed bullpen when our starters have been doing consistently well, and the bullpen is only having to pitch two to three innings.

I kind of picture McCarthy having a Jeremy Bonderman type rookie season if the sox were to keep him up in the rotation for a long time this year. When Bonderman was a rookie, he had decent strikeout rates, and he pitched a decent number of pretty good starts, but he also got rocked a lot too. You could see his potential, but you could also see that he was like 20 years old. Hopefully McCarthy can get enough experience in the minors so that when he does come up for good, he can give quality starts more often.

SoxxoS
05-28-2005, 10:49 AM
Timo needs to go. He used to be clutch, and he isn't that this year. He does play a good defensive outfield, but I believe Gload is more valuable b/c he is a quality bat off the bench. Timo just can't hit.

MRKARNO
05-28-2005, 10:50 AM
I kind of picture McCarthy having a Jeremy Bonderman type rookie season if the sox were to keep him up in the rotation for a long time this year. When Bonderman was a rookie, he had decent strikeout rates, and he pitched a decent number of pretty good starts, but he also got rocked a lot too. You could see his potential, but you could also see that he was like 20 years old. Hopefully McCarthy can get enough experience in the minors so that when he does come up for good, he can give quality starts more often.

I think that sounds about right, though you have to take into account that his two starts were when the wind was blowing straight out at Wrigley and against the hottest offense in baseball. At this point, however, the Sox cannot afford having a Bonderman-type season from any of their pitchers. If El Duque totally collapses, it might be worth it, but if he can rebound and post an ERA in the 3's then I'll take that.

MRKARNO
05-28-2005, 10:55 AM
Timo needs to go. He used to be clutch, and he isn't that this year. He does play a good defensive outfield, but I believe Gload is more valuable b/c he is a quality bat off the bench. Timo just can't hit.

Timo cant hit in any situation, clutch or otherwise. He's not that fast. He doesnt field well. He has no value to this team. The Sox would be a lot better off giving playing time to Jerry Owens in my view as he's shown good patience, an ability to get on base and hit at a good clip and lots of speed at AA Birmingham. He doesnt really project as a high-level prospect, so we dont really have to worry too much about his getting at bats or his development. He lacks even the small amount of power that Timo has, but his presence would still be a lot more valuable.

Rocklive99
05-28-2005, 11:06 AM
Timo needs to go. He used to be clutch, and he isn't that this year. He does play a good defensive outfield, but I believe Gload is more valuable b/c he is a quality bat off the bench. Timo just can't hit.

I think his defense is a big problem, there always balls that might be caught by other RFs (you can hear any commentator act like he is about to catch itm and then it goes into the gap), and his one hand catch always gets me nervous, he has a nice arm though. I'm not going to be completely hard on him though, it's hard enough to hit in the major leagues, and very hard to do it off the bench, so he was really special last year, but has seemed to come back to earth.

Jurr
05-28-2005, 11:24 AM
It's definitely going to be interesting. I thought Ozzie was just totally in love with Timo, though. But, if you look at the roster, he looks like the only one that can go. Ozuna sure as hell is going to stay.

But.But.But. Ozzie was talking about not getting his bullpen enough work because of the Starting pitchers. Do you think that remark justifies sending two relievers packing to make room for Gload and Thomas?

DickAllen72
05-28-2005, 11:39 AM
IOzzie was talking about not getting his bullpen enough work because of the Starting pitchers. Do you think that remark justifies sending two relievers packing to make room for Gload and Thomas?

Ain't gonna happen.

chaerulez
05-28-2005, 12:04 PM
Would Timo have to clear waivers to go to the minors? Not that I'd consider it a big loss if we lost him, but if when Frank does come back it might be the end of Timo's White Sox career.

I just hope if we need a to bring up a OF due to injuries or whatever reason, its not Borchard.

MRKARNO
05-28-2005, 12:06 PM
Would Timo have to clear waivers to go to the minors?

Yes.

JB98
05-28-2005, 01:31 PM
Would Timo have to clear waivers to go to the minors? Not that I'd consider it a big loss if we lost him, but if when Frank does come back it might be the end of Timo's White Sox career.

I just hope if we need a to bring up a OF due to injuries or whatever reason, its not Borchard.

I would like to think Brian Anderson has passed "Clueless Joe" on our organizational depth chart.

JUribe1989
05-28-2005, 01:59 PM
That's weird, we only have a 24 man roster posted on MLB.com. Can a team play with a 24 man roster? If not, I wonder who the mystery last player is.

gobears1987
05-28-2005, 03:23 PM
I've been impressed with Walker so hopefully Cotts is sent down so he can start some games.
Cotts needs to go down, but not because he is sucking. Cotts is doing awesome this year, but he has more potential. If he can get some more work in AAA, he can still be a great pitcher. He's young and I'd love to see him fully developed.

MisterB
05-28-2005, 03:25 PM
Nice trip to the show Brandon...Now go back to Charlotte and work on keeping the ball in the park. I look forward to great things ahead from you!

See you in September.

Very telling stat from McCarthy's 2 starts - groundball/flyball ratio: 3-18 (with one GB being a sac bunt). I certainly hope Juan Nieves can get him to learn to keep the ball down and avoid Chronic Gopher-Ball Syndrome. :(:

ondafarm
05-28-2005, 03:45 PM
Nice trip to the show Brandon...Now go back to Charlotte and work on keeping the ball in the park. I look forward to great things ahead from you!

See you in September.

Absolutely agreed. Save him for ROY 2006.

Chisox003
05-28-2005, 03:49 PM
IMO, its a no brainer that Timo is gone, as is Walker/Cotts (when Frank and Duque come back)

I dont think Vizcaino will be sent down, but I have no reasons behind that, just my opinion

Gload called back up means a bench of him, pablo, willie, widger, and probably Everett with Big Hurt's return

Not bad, and Pablo's dependable versatility makes it even better

gosox41
05-28-2005, 04:34 PM
Very telling stat from McCarthy's 2 starts - groundball/flyball ratio: 3-18 (with one GB being a sac bunt). I certainly hope Juan Nieves can get him to learn to keep the ball down and avoid Chronic Gopher-Ball Syndrome. :(:

Isn't McCarthy known for being a fly ball pitcher?



Bob

jabrch
05-28-2005, 05:06 PM
Isn't McCarthy known for being a fly ball pitcher?



Bob

Yes...that's something to work on.

I'd like to see him go back to Charlotte and add a pitch. Rooney and Farmer were talking about either a slider or a cutter. I wonder if a sinker/splitter/fork might not be a bad idea. The long ball, certainly pitching at USCF, may get him in a bit of trouble.

GoSoxGo!
05-28-2005, 05:07 PM
I hope Walker goes down and vizquiano too. We need Frank Thomas back bad in the middle in the line up and we need gload back too.

mccoydp
05-28-2005, 05:22 PM
Timo just can't hit.

Agree with you. Also add Crede, Uribe, Everett, and Dye.

Fake Chet Lemon
05-28-2005, 06:52 PM
At least we verified that all of those HR's McCarthy gave up in the minors was solely due to their small ballpark. :o: He did OK vs the Cubs, but their offense really blows unless D. Lee is hitting .400. Get some work kid, see ya next year.

The Sox have really been showcasing Ozuna if you haven't noticed. I hope they don't deal him, we need his versatility.

HawksBiggestFan
05-28-2005, 08:38 PM
I think it was the right thing to do. There was no point rushing him.

JB98
05-28-2005, 09:50 PM
At least we verified that all of those HR's McCarthy gave up in the minors was solely due to their small ballpark. :o: He did OK vs the Cubs, but their offense really blows unless D. Lee is hitting .400. Get some work kid, see ya next year.

The Sox have really been showcasing Ozuna if you haven't noticed. I hope they don't deal him, we need his versatility.

I don't think "showcasing" is the reason Ozuna has been in the lineup the last few days. Ozzie wanted to give Pods a break against Washburn, and I think we can all agree that Crede and Uribe have been sucking big time at the plate. Hence, Ozuna was used to give each of them a day off. Not to mention, Ozuna is a 30-year-old who has been riding the bus in the minors for most of his career. Anyone could have had him last offseason. I don't think there's a huge market for him.

As for B-Mac, he needs to develop a cutter or a sinker. I'm satisfied with the off-speed pitches he has (curve, change). What he needs is some more movement on his fastball.

Ol' No. 2
05-28-2005, 09:55 PM
IP since May 16:

Cotts: 2.1
Walker: 1.0

Can someone explain to me why they need both these guys? Between them they haven't had enough innings to keep ONE pitcher sharp. They need to cut down to 11 pitchers ASAP.

JB98
05-28-2005, 10:14 PM
IP since May 16:

Cotts: 2.1
Walker: 1.0

Can someone explain to me why they need both these guys? Between them they haven't had enough innings to keep ONE pitcher sharp. They need to cut down to 11 pitchers ASAP.

I have no idea why we're carrying 12. That's what teams with weak rotations do. We have five starters who pitch at least through the sixth practically every time out. Really, Marte, Politte and Hermanson are getting all the work. We've got four guys in the 'pen doing next to nothing. Certainly, one of those two lefties is expendable.

Ol' No. 2
05-28-2005, 10:26 PM
I have no idea why we're carrying 12. That's what teams with weak rotations do. We have five starters who pitch at least through the sixth practically every time out. Really, Marte, Politte and Hermanson are getting all the work. We've got four guys in the 'pen doing next to nothing. Certainly, one of those two lefties is expendable.I have to say I've been rather unimpressed with Vizcaino. Here's his line for May:

10.1 IP, 12 H, 5 BB, 6 ER

April wasn't really any better, even if you leave out the Apr 7 game against Cleveland. Maybe he's the one who should go down. Cotts and Walker have been pretty effective.

DumpJerry
05-28-2005, 10:26 PM
I have no idea why we're carrying 12. That's what teams with weak rotations do. We have five starters who pitch at least through the sixth practically every time out. Really, Marte, Politte and Hermanson are getting all the work. We've got four guys in the 'pen doing next to nothing. Certainly, one of those two lefties is expendable.
I agree completely. But don't email Brooks. Email Kenny.

MHOUSE
05-29-2005, 04:29 PM
Well we have three guys coming back and one open roster spot which means two more players are gone by the time El Duque is back. I'd say Timo and Cotts. Walker has been effective and is out of options, Cotts has been a lot better this year, but he needs consistent work. We only need 6 in the bullpen anyways with how good our starters have been.

If Timo is claimed by another team or released, who pays his $1 million salary? With guys like Owens, Sweeney, and Anderson in the minors, I'd rather see them up if an OF is needed and not pay Timo $1 million to sit down at AAA.

Cubbiesuck13
05-29-2005, 05:02 PM
Wasn't Cotts a starter a few years ago? Maybe they should get him work every 5 days in AAA.

TaylorStSox
05-29-2005, 05:36 PM
Wasn't Cotts a starter a few years ago? Maybe they should get him work every 5 days in AAA.

Alot of us have been saying that all year.

Jurr
05-29-2005, 05:43 PM
Wasn't Cotts a starter a few years ago? Maybe they should get him work every 5 days in AAA.
I think Cotts should be a left handed specialist in Birmingham. Put them where they will best benefit the franchise.

TaylorStSox
05-29-2005, 06:01 PM
I think Cotts should be a left handed specialist in Birmingham. Put them where they will best benefit the franchise.

Cotts shouldn't be a left handed specialist anywhere. He gets RH's out at a better clip. He needs to start. He has the stuff to do it.

White Sox Josh
05-29-2005, 06:48 PM
Does anyone know when McCarthy starts next.

JB98
05-29-2005, 07:00 PM
I have to say I've been rather unimpressed with Vizcaino. Here's his line for May:

10.1 IP, 12 H, 5 BB, 6 ER

April wasn't really any better, even if you leave out the Apr 7 game against Cleveland. Maybe he's the one who should go down. Cotts and Walker have been pretty effective.

There are a lot of people around here dissatisfied with Cotts, and I'm not really sure why. He's not great, but he isn't terrible either. You'd think he was a lot worse judging by the venom in some of the posts made about him on WSI. Walker just hasn't pitched much. Frankly, I haven't seen enough of him to judge whether I'd rather have him or Cotts.

Vizcaino has sucked. We really need to get him turned around. Politte has been great for us, but he's never thrown the ball well over the course of a full 162 games. If and when Cliff cools off, who do we go to for a right-handed set-up man? I don't know....

Ol' No. 2
05-29-2005, 07:10 PM
There are a lot of people around here dissatisfied with Cotts, and I'm not really sure why. He's not great, but he isn't terrible either. You'd think he was a lot worse judging by the venom in some of the posts made about him on WSI. Walker just hasn't pitched much. Frankly, I haven't seen enough of him to judge whether I'd rather have him or Cotts.

Vizcaino has sucked. We really need to get him turned around. Politte has been great for us, but he's never thrown the ball well over the course of a full 162 games. If and when Cliff cools off, who do we go to for a right-handed set-up man? I don't know....If anyone has a right to claim lack of work it's Cotts. He's tied with Takatsu for fewest IP (not counting Walker). And he's pitched way better than Takatsu or Vizcaino. If someone is going to go, I'd send Vizcaino down and keep both Cotts and Walker.

White Sox Josh
05-29-2005, 07:43 PM
I would rather send Cotts down so he can work on Starting. I think Walker will do a better job in the bullpen. That would bring the Sox down to 11 pitchers some it would either be Timo or Willie Harris. My money is on Timo being traded.

Ol' No. 2
05-29-2005, 07:49 PM
I would rather send Cotts down so he can work on Starting. I think Walker will do a better job in the bullpen. That would bring the Sox down to 11 pitchers some it would either be Timo or Willie Harris. My money is on Timo being traded.Cotts can work on starting next year.

Cotts: 3.77 ERA, 1.40 WHIP
Vizcaino: 6.46 ERA, 1.69 WHIP

Tough choice.

Cubbiesuck13
05-29-2005, 08:04 PM
I would rather send Cotts down so he can work on Starting. I think Walker will do a better job in the bullpen. That would bring the Sox down to 11 pitchers some it would either be Timo or Willie Harris. My money is on Timo being traded.

How long would it take to trade Timo? I am guessing that teams won't be knocking down our door for a backup OF who isn't hitting very well this year. Sending him down may be a more realistic option.

Cubbiesuck13
05-29-2005, 08:11 PM
Cotts can work on starting next year.

Cotts: 3.77 ERA, 1.40 WHIP
Vizcaino: 6.46 ERA, 1.69 WHIP

Tough choice.

Viscaino has a better track record though so I do think it is a tough choice. One thing that I am glad about is that the SOX are not going to keep someone up because they make more. When you are paying a guy a million bucks to catch in AAA, it shows the players on the team that the best guy for the team is going to stay.

Ol' No. 2
05-29-2005, 09:28 PM
Viscaino has a better track record though so I do think it is a tough choice. One thing that I am glad about is that the SOX are not going to keep someone up because they make more. When you are paying a guy a million bucks to catch in AAA, it shows the players on the team that the best guy for the team is going to stay.What track record? The 6.39 ERA in 2003? He put up 4 good months in 2004 and that's about it.

His SO are down and his BB are up. In 19 outings he's been scored on in 10 of them. The only thing he's got going for him is his G/F is up. And Cotts throws a lot fewer innings. Given the IP that Vizcaino gets, Cotts' numbers would look better.

Soxheads
05-29-2005, 09:35 PM
Viscaino has a better track record though so I do think it is a tough choice. One thing that I am glad about is that the SOX are not going to keep someone up because they make more. When you are paying a guy a million bucks to catch in AAA, it shows the players on the team that the best guy for the team is going to stay.

Actually, he's getting paid a million bucks to sit on the DL in AAA.