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Jurr
05-20-2005, 08:27 PM
What happened? Why is Brandon McCarthy coming up? Does anyone have any information as to why BMac is coming to pitch this weekend? El Duque must have been hurt.

Link:
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20050520&content_id=1056868&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

A.T. Money
05-20-2005, 08:29 PM
There is nothing on the Sox site showing El Duque is hurt....

Who is McCarthy replacing on the roster?

I wonder if Garland is getting the ball on Sunday.

Realist
05-20-2005, 08:29 PM
I don't understand this move. :?:

DVsoxfan
05-20-2005, 08:29 PM
Maybe they just wanna give Duque some rest....?

HomeFish
05-20-2005, 08:32 PM
Something was wrong with el duque on Monday. I suspected he was injured from the begining.

ScottsdaleSoxFan
05-20-2005, 08:32 PM
this makes absolutely no sense

popilius
05-20-2005, 08:33 PM
This is a bit puzzling, I mean. . . if BMac doesn't start, it doesn't make any sense to me to bring him up. We should bring him up only if a starter has to miss a start. And, in the course of a season, all teams in baseball experience this.

Additionally, I really hope El Duque doesn't have "dead arm" syndrome or anything like that.

:gulp:

patbooyah
05-20-2005, 08:34 PM
levine is mentioning physical problems with the duke. says he should only miss a couple games. but it is levine.

ScottsdaleSoxFan
05-20-2005, 08:38 PM
Garland should definitely start on Sunday because he was extra rest because of the off day.

bayzbol44
05-20-2005, 08:39 PM
http://www.futuresox.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=108

The mention Bruuuuuce and what the previous post states. I guess that means that Bmac will make at least 2 starts. Damn, now I wish I had tix for Sunday.

viagracat
05-20-2005, 08:41 PM
There is nothing on the Sox site showing El Duque is hurt....

Who is McCarthy replacing on the roster?

I wonder if Garland is getting the ball on Sunday.

God, I hope Guillen doesn't pull a Dusty Baker and start Garland Sunday. You can't have your stud run the risk of ovework, especially at the start of a long trip with no off-days. If El Duque is hurt, you bring up BMac for a start or two.
He's probably ready to get some seasoning, and you want that now and not in September. Unless, of course the Sox have already clinched :gulp:

seanpmurphy
05-20-2005, 08:43 PM
What the hell! A month ago when Contreras had that little hamstring thing (even though it amounted to nothing) I made a meek suggestion about seeing McCarthy come up and a ton of people jumped all over me. Now it's exciting? :?: :angry: Oh well.

popilius
05-20-2005, 08:45 PM
Garland should definitely start on Sunday because he was extra rest because of the off day.

Good point. This is especially true because if Garland starts on Sunday, that will place him in the rotation between Contreras and El Duque. It'll be a good thing to separate these two, because they generally don't go long into games, which will benefit the bullpen and the rest they need. Guillen has mentioned a few times this season that he wants to look into separating these two, and throwing Garland this Sunday makes a lot of sense.

:gulp:

oeo
05-20-2005, 08:46 PM
What the hell! A month ago when Contreras had that little hamstring thing (even though it amounted to nothing) I made a meek suggestion about seeing McCarthy come up and a ton of people jumped all over me. Now it's exciting? :?: :angry: Oh well.

Who said it was exciting? It definately is not exciting if someone is hurt...that sucks. I did not want to see McCarthy all year because I knew if he did come up it would be due to an injury. Please be okay El Duque, PLEASE!

seanpmurphy
05-20-2005, 08:51 PM
I just had a thought. Maybe now that the Sox have dominated their way into a 30-12 record, and the team really could care less about this series with the Cubs, they figured now would be a good time to give McCarthy some starts with the team and see what he's made of when it doesn't really matter. I don't know, I'm just too cynical to believe out of no where El Duque is hurt and nothing has been said about it by anybody.

Even if my theory is wrong, it'll be cool to see one of the Sox young guns. Especially if he can over power the cubs. I just hope whatever this physical problem surrounding Hernandez is isn't anything serious. He's looked pretty sharp this season and it would for sure hurt us.

seanpmurphy
05-20-2005, 08:52 PM
Who said it was exciting? It definately is not exciting if someone is hurt...that sucks. I did not want to see McCarthy all year because I knew if he did come up it would be due to an injury. Please be okay El Duque, PLEASE!

I myself don't find it exciting, but this is going around on a couple of threads I think and some people are in my opinion what I would call "excited" about McCarthy. Didn't mean to give you the wrong idea.

Norberto7
05-20-2005, 08:59 PM
One of the positives about signing Hermanson was his ability to start games as well as pitch in relief. The ironic thing here is that he has pitched so well in that role, it has dimished his versatility (though not value). If a jack of all trades is a master of none, the reverse must be true, where a reliever who has given up 0 runs this season is not a starter. So it makes sense to start McCarthy, even though he hasn't necessarily been lights out in AAA (according to his numbers, I don't follow the games so I don't know the circumstances of such). I just don't see getting too excited about this just yet. If "potential" and "hot spring trainings" meant anything, well....
:LTP
"Based on my potential and my spring training this year..."
I rest my case. I'll get excited when I see a few solid MLB outings.

Anyways, Jeff Bajenru's era is about 1/10th of McCarthy's!

mccoydp
05-20-2005, 08:59 PM
I just had a thought. Maybe now that the Sox have dominated their way into a 30-12 record, and the team really could care less about this series with the Cubs, they figured now would be a good time to give McCarthy some starts with the team and see what he's made of when it doesn't really matter. I don't know, I'm just too cynical to believe out of no where El Duque is hurt and nothing has been said about it by anybody.

Even if my theory is wrong, it'll be cool to see one of the Sox young guns. Especially if he can over power the cubs. I just hope whatever this physical problem surrounding Hernandez is isn't anything serious. He's looked pretty sharp this season and it would for sure hurt us.

You beat me to this post. I think since the Sox are 30-12, Ozzie figures he can give B-Mac a try for a start or two. It is puzzling that nothing was mentioned on the White Sox site about El Duque's injury, though.

Viva Medias B's
05-20-2005, 09:00 PM
Do we know for sure the situation with El Duque?

seanpmurphy
05-20-2005, 09:04 PM
One of the positives about signing Hermanson was his ability to start games as well as pitch in relief. The ironic thing here is that he has pitched so well in that role, it has dimished his versatility (though not value). If a jack of all trades is a master of none, the reverse must be true, where a reliever who has given up 0 runs this season is not a starter. So it makes sense to start McCarthy, even though he hasn't necessarily been lights out in AAA (according to his numbers, I don't follow the games so I don't know the circumstances of such). I just don't see getting too excited about this just yet. If "potential" and "hot spring trainings" meant anything, well....
:LTP
"Based on my potential and my spring training this year..."
I rest my case. I'll get excited when I see a few solid MLB outings.

Anyways, Jeff Bajenru's era is about 1/10th of McCarthy's!


There was an article on a thread related to this...it was on www.futuresox.com (http://www.futuresox.com) somewhere....McCarthy's ERA is up there due to the 9 home runs he's given up, but apparently Charlotte is rather hitter-friendly, and all of the homers have been there. I don't follow the games either, just noted that piece of info from the article. He was quite impressive during spring training I thought. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

A. Cavatica
05-20-2005, 09:06 PM
The truth is that McCarthy's been hit around a bit at Charlotte. There was some thought that he'd been rushed...hence the demotion to face the Cubs.

seanpmurphy
05-20-2005, 09:07 PM
Let's switch out Takatsu for Jeff Bajenaru while we're at it! Can't argue with a .49 ERA....unless you're DH.

MeanFish
05-20-2005, 09:09 PM
Another possibility is that McCarthy has been working on a few different things. If it's well-known that he'll be up the minute something happens to our starting staff, isn't it possible that they've treated his AAA season almost like an extended spring training to work on some weaknesses so that when he does break the big club he doesn't have as many of them?

Norberto7
05-20-2005, 09:10 PM
Too bad it looks like McCarthy won't be making his debut against the Cincinnati or Boston ballclubs...could've been an opportunity for some clever wit.

Jjav829
05-20-2005, 09:11 PM
I sure hope it's not due to anything serious with El Duque. Here's what we know for sure. El Duque is not what you would call an innings eater. Anyone who was expecting him to pitch 200 innings, or even 180 for that matter, was setting the bar too high. He's a guy who needs to be protected. So it's not entirely out of the question to sit El Duque for a start here and there to limit those innings and hopefully keep El Duque healthy into September and October. It's not like McCarthy's options have to be watched closely because once he makes the team out of Spring Training, likely next year, he figures to stay. I'm just theorizing here, but I'd guess they're doing this because they think El Duque needs a break and rather than use the offday to move Garland ahead, they're gonna give McCarthy the start.

seanpmurphy
05-20-2005, 09:13 PM
I'd buy that theory. If the Sox are as serious as they've looked 1/4 of the way into the season, I'm sure any moves they make will be for the benefit of the team and to prolong their season till the end, for the big finish.

JoseCanseco6969
05-20-2005, 09:15 PM
http://www.futuresox.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=108

The mention Bruuuuuce and what the previous post states. I guess that means that Bmac will make at least 2 starts. Damn, now I wish I had tix for Sunday.

there are still some available...i just got some an hour ago

seanpmurphy
05-20-2005, 09:17 PM
Off subject, but I love Canseco's Family Guy sigs. Keep em coming

Jjav829
05-20-2005, 09:23 PM
The truth is that McCarthy's been hit around a bit at Charlotte. There was some thought that he'd been rushed...hence the demotion to face the Cubs.

:D:

POTW (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=13)

santo=dorf
05-20-2005, 09:28 PM
Anyone else notice that the article refers to him as a "reliever?" :?:

aniceItch
05-20-2005, 09:29 PM
Im gonna jump on the "Garland should start Sunday" bandwagon. I know everyone has been using the "if it aint broke" reasoning for not seperating Contreras and Duque, but does it not make sense in the long run? Someone just said it here..El Duque is not an innings eater, and isnt putting him between our two BIGGEST innings eaters a better plan? Just seems like a convienent time to move Garland up. Not that the word "convienent" should ever be used for what could be an injury. so yea.

Rocklive99
05-20-2005, 09:35 PM
I just had a thought. Maybe now that the Sox have dominated their way into a 30-12 record, and the team really could care less about this series with the Cubs, they figured now would be a good time to give McCarthy some starts with the team and see what he's made of when it doesn't really matter. I don't know, I'm just too cynical to believe out of no where El Duque is hurt and nothing has been said about it by anybody.



I completely disagree with this, if the Sox feel that some games are useless, the Twins will have no problem jumping all over them for the division lead. It's way too early to act like anything is clinched, because no one will care about what happened in the 1st half at the end of the 2nd half. It's obvious that you can't win every game and at least 60 more losses will probably come, but treating a game useless or saying that they don't really matter is completely different

White Sox Josh
05-20-2005, 09:44 PM
Bruce said that it's possible the El Duque could pitch sunday. He won't miss anymore than a start. I would love to see BMac shutout the Cubs.

seanpmurphy
05-20-2005, 09:52 PM
I completely disagree with this, if the Sox feel that some games are useless, the Twins will have no problem jumping all over them for the division lead. It's way too early to act like anything is clinched, because no one will care about what happened in the 1st half at the end of the 2nd half. It's obvious that you can't win every game and at least 60 more losses will probably come, but treating a game useless or saying that they don't really matter is completely different

I'm not saying it's "useless" but it's no secret that Ozzie and the players don't put the same stock in this series as the media and fans do. I'm just suggesting that maybe the Sox think this is a prime situation to give McCarthy a major league start because it's not a big series like a divisional one, and face it, it is just the Cubs and just one game.

I agree with your comment, maybe you just took what I said in the wrong way. I'd rather the Sox scratch a start for one of their regulars for McCarthy now and see if he can be a reliable substitute should they ever need him down the road in a more important situation. 1 single game at this point in the season against a weak NL team is not going to determine the rest of the year. I'm not suggesting the Sox get over confident, just now is the time to test some of their options should something terrible happen.

Frank the Tank
05-20-2005, 09:57 PM
I disagree with anyone that says that this series is meaningless. This is a huge series in Chicago and the pressure is on. Putting McCarthy in this situation reminds me of when we put Cotts in to start a couple of years ago during a playoff push in Yankee Stadium. I don't like the idea of putting rookies in pressure situations, because if he fails it will kill his confidence.

Brian26
05-20-2005, 09:59 PM
Wow, I'm shocked at some of these posts. They are so reminsicent of the whole Buehrle/Cotts/Manual Yankee Stadium debacle from 2003. My feeling is this: we should be out for blood in this series, and I want the ****ing sweep.

Brian26
05-20-2005, 10:00 PM
I disagree with anyone that says that this series is meaningless. This is a huge series in Chicago and the pressure is on. Putting McCarthy in this situation reminds me of when we put Cotts in to start a couple of years ago during a playoff push in Yankee Stadium. I don't like the idea of putting rookies in pressure situations, because if he fails it will kill his confidence.

Wow- you and I are the only ones to mention this in the three-page thread, and we typed it at the exact same time. Great minds think alike.

A.T. Money
05-20-2005, 10:01 PM
I disagree with anyone that says that this series is meaningless. This is a huge series in Chicago and the pressure is on. Putting McCarthy in this situation reminds me of when we put Cotts in to start a couple of years ago during a playoff push in Yankee Stadium. I don't like the idea of putting rookies in pressure situations, because if he fails it will kill his confidence.

But....on the flip side....

Imagine if he shines....

Sometimes you need to roll the dice.

White Sox Josh
05-20-2005, 10:07 PM
BMac might not even start on Sunday so who knows what they would do. If he is not needed sunday get him back to Charlotte because he shouldn't be in the Bullpen.

voodoochile
05-20-2005, 10:11 PM
The truth is that McCarthy's been hit around a bit at Charlotte. There was some thought that he'd been rushed...hence the demotion to face the Cubs.

You know, I saw this post and immediately thought... POTW (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=13&id=2838). Then I saw that Jjav had beat me to it.

Thanks, Jjav... great minds and all that... and well done to you A. Cavatica...

:)

MRKARNO
05-20-2005, 10:11 PM
I disagree with anyone that says that this series is meaningless. This is a huge series in Chicago and the pressure is on. Putting McCarthy in this situation reminds me of when we put Cotts in to start a couple of years ago during a playoff push in Yankee Stadium. I don't like the idea of putting rookies in pressure situations, because if he fails it will kill his confidence.

I dont think anyone thinks this series is meaningless. It's just that some of us (myself included) think that McCarthy is capable of coming up from day one and pitching very well.

While the situation with Cotts is arguably comparable, we're dealing with two different people and two different pitchers. Cotts got into major problems when he started for us when he walked a ton of people. That's usually where young pitchers get in a lot of trouble, but McCarthy doesn't walk many batters at all. If he has trouble, it's because he's challenging hitters too much. And also, McCarthy is an infinitely better pitcher than Cotts.

I dont think McCarthy would get down if he performed poorly in this start. He would probably take it in stride, learn from it and figure out what he was doing wrong. He's the opposite of a headcase from everything that I've read about him.

White Sox Josh
05-20-2005, 10:17 PM
The truth is that McCarthy's been hit around a bit at Charlotte. There was some thought that he'd been rushed...hence the demotion to face the Cubs.Don't put much stock in it. He has a very good road ERA and he has given up all 7 HR's at home. The Charlotte park is a Bandbox and that might not even do it justice.

Frank the Tank
05-20-2005, 10:22 PM
Is there any confirmed release by the sox that El Duque is injured? The Sox are usually pretty straight-forward with injury announcements. Maybe Shingo is being shelved since he doesn't seem to have much use now.

White Sox Josh
05-20-2005, 10:31 PM
Is there any confirmed release by the sox that El Duque is injured? The Sox are usually pretty straight-forward with injury announcements. Maybe Shingo is being shelved since he doesn't seem to have much use now.Nope. For all we know El Duque could start Sunday however just in case he doesn't they brought McCarthy up. Walker will be the one sent down if McCarthy does pitch.

Chisoxfn
05-20-2005, 10:37 PM
Nope. For all we know El Duque could start Sunday however just in case he doesn't they brought McCarthy up. Walker will be the one sent down if McCarthy does pitch.
That depends. If Duque is more severely hurt than he'll be placed on the disabled list and no roster change would be made (in terms of sending someone down) (Walker would head back down when Frank/Gload is ready). Gload should be in Charlotte by Sunday, Monday at the latest.

If Bmac is making just this one start, than Walker would be the odd man out or at least you'd think so.

White Sox Josh
05-20-2005, 10:40 PM
That depends. If Duque is more severely hurt than he'll be placed on the disabled list and no roster change would be made (in terms of sending someone down) (Walker would head back down when Frank/Gload is ready). Gload should be in Charlotte by Sunday, Monday at the latest.

If Bmac is making just this one start, than Walker would be the odd man out or at least you'd think so.The reports made it sound pretty minor but that they were just not going to take any chances.

shoota
05-20-2005, 10:52 PM
It's not like McCarthy's options have to be watched closely because once he makes the team out of Spring Training, likely next year, he figures to stay.

Wouldn't a 2005 callup for McCarthy affect one year of his contract? Wouldn't he be one year closer to arbitration and FA? And I'm not sure I agree that he'd make the team next year since all 5 of the Sox's starters are signed through 2006. So calling McCarthy up now before we need him in 2007 could waste 2 years of his service time, right?

I know this is a very important series verses a very important rival, but why not think about starting a lesser quality starter from the minors like Munoz or Diaz, whose service time isn't as important? Whichever one beat the Cubs last year. Or move up Garland.

I could really use a detailed education about service time. It's something I've wanted to learn about for a while but nobody talks about it in detail.

A. Cavatica
05-20-2005, 11:05 PM
Don't put much stock in it. He has a very good road ERA and he has given up all 7 HR's at home. The Charlotte park is a Bandbox and that might not even do it justice.

Yes, you're right, I should have used teal. I didn't want it to spoil the punch line.

chisox06
05-20-2005, 11:06 PM
What about sending Walker down and using B-mac out of the pen? But if El Duque is hurt, it'll be McCarthy steppin in. It'll Be interesting to see how this plays out.

Jjav829
05-20-2005, 11:10 PM
Wouldn't a 2005 callup for McCarthy affect one year of his contract? Wouldn't he be one year closer to arbitration and FA? And I'm not sure I agree that he'd make the team next year since all 5 of the Sox's starters are signed through 2006. So calling McCarthy up now before we need him in 2007 could waste 2 years of his service time, right?

I know this is a very important series verses a very important rival, but why not think about starting a lesser quality starter from the minors like Munoz? Or Diaz. Whichever one beat the Cubs last year. Or move up Garland.

I could really use a detailed education about service time. It's something I've wanted to learn about for a while but nobody talks about it in detail.

Yes, it would and that's something I thought about after I made my post but I didn't feel like changing my post. At this point, there's no way McCarthy sits in AAA until 2007. If that was the plan, they could have kept him at AA a little while before bringing him to AAA. The Sox organization seems to think he's near MLB ready, so I'd expect that if he's still with the Sox next year, they'll make some move to open a spot for him.

It would start the clock ticking early on McCarthy. But if that's this is the case, then I'd say give kudos to the Sox organization for not being cheap. The cheap thing to do would be to keep McCarthy in the minors strictly to avoid having to pay him a year sooner, calling up someone like Adkins instead. By starting the clock on him now, they're basically saying forget the future, let's do what we think is best for the team now and worry about the future when it gets here.

dcb33
05-20-2005, 11:10 PM
Im gonna jump on the "Garland should start Sunday" bandwagon. I know everyone has been using the "if it aint broke" reasoning for not seperating Contreras and Duque, but does it not make sense in the long run? Someone just said it here..El Duque is not an innings eater, and isnt putting him between our two BIGGEST innings eaters a better plan? Just seems like a convienent time to move Garland up. Not that the word "convienent" should ever be used for what could be an injury. so yea.

I think they really need to leave Garland where he is because we're terrible on the West Coast, and although the Angels have been struggling to hit the ball, Garland gives us the best chance to start that road trip with a win.



I find all of this very peculiar because if something was wrong with El Duque, the media would've found out by now. B-Mac isn't technically part of the team yet and no reason or role for why he's coming to Chicago, so is it possible this just might be a big smokescreen designed to distract the Cubs?

shoota
05-20-2005, 11:25 PM
Yes, it would and that's something I thought about after I made my post but I didn't feel like changing my post. At this point, there's no way McCarthy sits in AAA until 2007. If that was the plan, they could have kept him at AA a little while before bringing him to AAA. The Sox organization seems to think he's near MLB ready, so I'd expect that if he's still with the Sox next year, they'll make some move to open a spot for him.

It would start the clock ticking early on McCarthy. But if that's this is the case, then I'd say give kudos to the Sox organization for not being cheap. The cheap thing to do would be to keep McCarthy in the minors strictly to avoid having to pay him a year sooner, calling up someone like Adkins instead. By starting the clock on him now, they're basically saying forget the future, let's do what we think is best for the team now and worry about the future when it gets here.

Agree on the win now philosophy being refreshing. I also think it's unlikely McCarthy would not pitch in MLB until 2007. That is an intriguing possibility though if you're one who believes a pitcher should log 400 IP in the minors before pitching in MLB.

I could be comfortable with McCarthy starting in 2006 for the Sox, but I don't like wasting a year of him now--especially if he's only needed for 1-2 starts. This reasoning is why I suggested another AAA pitcher to fill in for El Duque. Though looking short-term, it would be pretty to see Big Mac come out of nowhere to beat Prior at Wrigley in his first MLB start. :D:

Norberto7
05-20-2005, 11:30 PM
But....on the flip side....

Imagine if he shines....

Sometimes you need to roll the dice.

Shall we play the thrilling game of "what if"? What if McCarthy does start this weekend? And then, what if he does shine? The starting rotation is set. When El Duque comes back from his start or two off, what happens to McCarthy? There will be a groundswell of support for keeping him on the parent club. But what would happen then?

It could be reasonably argued either way that the Sox' bullpen would be better off for a run this season with McCarthy instead of Walker, and it could reasonably be argued that it is in everyone's best interest to have McCarthy making regular starts down in Charlotte.

What gives at that point?

Chisox003
05-21-2005, 12:00 AM
B Mac got called up, and El Duque is hurt? :o:

Sorry I just got home and havent had time to catch up....I have to go search the first 4 pages for some info I guess....

So I take it Mac might be starting Sunday?

This is news folks....A 30-12 team with a AA starter on the mound....Should we be nervous?

Edit: Ok I got it....Well, I think if El Duque cant go, it should be Garland, but I would love to see Mccarthy take the bump on Sunday...Just a good feeling
But its to early to be messing around, and win or lose tomorrow, I see Sunday as a big game, either avoiding losing the series or going for a sweep...It has to be Garland

lowesox
05-21-2005, 12:04 AM
This seems to me like a bad move. I'm happy that we're not moving Garland forward a day, but I think we should have considered calling up somebody else. Personally, I would have picked either Adkins or Person. Both guys have major league experience, and both guys are far less valuable to the organization in the long run. This is quite a hot frying pan to be throwing a young pitcher into. If he gets torched it could really set him backwards.

After all, isn't this situation the type of reason we have Person in the minors. Or Adkins for that matter, who by and large pitched fairly well for us last season.

NDSox12
05-21-2005, 12:07 AM
This is news folks....A 30-12 team with a AA starter on the mound....Should we be nervous?


I'm not sure I'd call McCarthy a AA starter. He's been pitching in AAA all season. While his stats have not been spectacular, he's a legitimate AAA pitcher and could possibly be ready to pitch in the big leagues.

And let's not forget, even Felix Diaz beat the Cubs last year. As long as we can scratch out a few runs against Prior, I think we certainly have a chance.

MisterB
05-21-2005, 12:08 AM
Keep in mind that minor league options and ML service time are measured in different units. Options are by the year regardless of overall time, and service time just the opposite. The Sox could call McCarthy up for a 2 week stretch this year and each of the next 2, at which point he'd be out of options but with a fraction of a year's service time towards arbitration & free agency.

Mohoney
05-21-2005, 12:09 AM
I am so geeked to see this guy's first major league game this weekend that all the negative stuff goes on the back burner. This game is a perfect opportunity for a star to be born.

Think about if this guy dominates in our uniform for two decades and we can all think back to his first win being against the Cubs, at Wrigley, against Prior, to complete a three game sweep in our 2005 World Series Championship season.

Tekk
05-21-2005, 12:13 AM
Orlando may start, and if he falters like his last start (injury, fatigue, etc) BMac is there to finish up the game for him as a long reliever. That way, the sox pen isn't used up like in Orlando's last outing. -thats my take on it

BRDSR
05-21-2005, 12:14 AM
Sorry I just got home and havent had time to catch up....I have to go search the first 4 pages for some info I guess....



Don't get too worked up about reading the four pages. Basically nobody has any idea so we're all pulling stuff out of our butts and throwing it at the wall to see if it sticks. I'll admit that I'm completely befuddled by this. If the goal was to skip El Duque's start and limit his mound time a little it seems we could just skip his start of the off day on Thursday. I doubt(or hope) that the Sox aren't shoving him onto the DL with some madeup injury to get him to skip some starts because thats bush league(by which I mean against MLB rules) and I like to think the Sox don't do that. If El Duque really is hurt, how did he do it? Taking batting practice yesterday? Right now I'm leaning toward "Bruce Levine doesn't know what he's talking about and BMac is being called up for a reason completely unrelated to El Duque." But what do I know?

BRDSR
05-21-2005, 12:17 AM
Orlando may start, and if he falters like his last start (injury, fatigue, etc) BMac is there to finish up the game for him as a long reliever. That way, the sox pen isn't used up like in Orlando's last outing. -thats my take on it

So who gets sent down? Walker? That's a terrible way to bring a young pitcher up the big leagues for the first time. Also a terrible thing to say to whoever gets sent down and to El Duque: "I know you've done well kid, but we might need someone better to mop up after Hernandez who might implode in his next start, and we don't think you're that guy." I don't buy it. Or anything else in this thread, really. I'm very interested to get some sort of definitive explanation.

owensmouth
05-21-2005, 12:19 AM
As far as "starting the clock ticking"...bringing him up now is pretty much as bringing him up at the start of next year. Why? The clock is a six year period that starts with his first day on the active roster (as opposed to the 40 man roster).

Bringing him up new gives the Sox an overlap, essentially locking McCarthy to the Sox for not six, but seven years. He'll be in exactly the same position that Garland finds himself. Garland's sixth full year (that is 6 X 162 games) is in the middle of next year, so he has one more contract year with the Sox. McCarthy, should he stick with the White Sox, will not complete his first full year until May 21st of next year. Six full years from tomorrow he will still have the remainder of that season to complete, hence seven seasons with the White Sox.

The real question is, what's the matter with El Duque? There has been no announcement about a problem, and either he goes on the DL or somebody goes down.

Maybe there's nothing wrong with Hernandez, maybe Ozzie wants to get rid of Contreras. Tomorrow could be his last chance to poop or get off the pot. If he remains as unstable as he has been, and McCarthy shines on Sunday, perhaps the 7 million dollar man is ticketed for Charlotte. Now that could be a real upgrade to the White Sox starting staff.

Ol' No. 2
05-21-2005, 12:21 AM
This was mentioned again on the Comcast Tribune Show with Jiggets. Sounds like Hernandez may be less than 100%, but they didn't give any details. Maybe he was hurting his last start, because he was terrible.

Or maybe they're just giving Hernandez a rest. I said from the beginning that they should limit Hernandez' innings to no more than 150 for the year, so if they're just spelling him for a while, then that's fine by me. Sit him on the DL and give McCarthy a couple of starts. This is a good time to do it with no divisional games coming up.

I guess we'll see this unfold soon enough. I wouldn't worry about using up an option year. I don't think it's going to matter with McCarthy.

Edit: Also, service time goes by days on the major league roster. There's no such thing as "starting the clock ticking" as far as arbitration and free agency are concerned. If he gets sent back in 14 days he gets 14 days service time, and that's it. The only real impact is that if he stays on the major league roster all year he could qualify as a "super 2" after 2007.

Whitesox029
05-21-2005, 12:23 AM
Garland should definitely start on Sunday because he was extra rest because of the off day.
I disagree. I think Jon has something to prove against the Angels (because he's not marketable enough, remember?), and I think he should be starting in Anaheim, Los Angeles, Orange County, Southern California, United States, North America, Earth, Milky Way against a first place team rather than against a bunch of scrubs who will hoefully be 4 games under .500 by Sunday.

tstrike2000
05-21-2005, 12:28 AM
It sounds like McCarthy is starting Saturday against the Scrubs with Contreras pushed back to Sunday.

NDSox12
05-21-2005, 12:29 AM
It sounds like McCarthy is starting Saturday against the Scrubs with Contreras pushed back to Sunday.

Where did you hear this?

tstrike2000
05-21-2005, 12:33 AM
Where did you hear this?

I just heard it on the radio. Not sure what's wrong with El Duque at the moment but they mentioned McCarthy tomorrow and pushing back Contreras one day.

Ol' No. 2
05-21-2005, 12:42 AM
I just heard it on the radio. Not sure what's wrong with El Duque at the moment but they mentioned McCarthy tomorrow and pushing back Contreras one day.I'd consider the source. The only way this would make any sense is if Ozzie didn't want McCarthy matching up with Prior. But it's not like Zambrano is a walk in the park (when he's healthy, anyway). Ozzie has generally liked to keep the rotation in order, so I'd expect he would keep Contreras tomorrow and pitch McCarthy on Sunday. That's assuming it actually happens at all. They could just be flying McCarthy in as a precaution if Hernandez' status is uncertain.

NSSoxFan
05-21-2005, 12:44 AM
I'd consider the source. The only way this would make any sense is if Ozzie didn't want McCarthy matching up with Prior. But it's not like Zambrano is a walk in the park (when he's healthy, anyway). Ozzie has generally liked to keep the rotation in order, so I'd expect he would keep Contreras tomorrow and pitch McCarthy on Sunday. That's assuming it actually happens at all. They could just be flying McCarthy in as a precaution if Hernandez' status is uncertain.

I agree with you No. 2. It doesn't seem right that the Sox haven't made an announcement on an injury to El Duque. I am interested to see what happens tomorrow, because we won't be finding out officially tonight.

tstrike2000
05-21-2005, 12:49 AM
I'd consider the source. The only way this would make any sense is if Ozzie didn't want McCarthy matching up with Prior. But it's not like Zambrano is a walk in the park (when he's healthy, anyway). Ozzie has generally liked to keep the rotation in order, so I'd expect he would keep Contreras tomorrow and pitch McCarthy on Sunday. That's assuming it actually happens at all. They could just be flying McCarthy in as a precaution if Hernandez' status is uncertain.

Hmm, very strange to say the least, especially hearing it this late on The Score 670. Being as last minute as it sounds, I too doubted that McCarthy was starting in place of Contreras tomorrow. Zambrano and Prior are both not easy walks in the park. Also because they haven't given a more valid reason with El Duque, it's premature to count on anything right now.

California Sox
05-21-2005, 12:54 AM
Here's why it may make sense to have McCarthy start Saturday: The wind is supposed to blow in on Saturday and out on Sunday. McCarthy is prone to giving up the big fly, so it would be a real boost for him to pitch Saturday. As far as people who want to have Garland pitch Sunday, that ship has sailed. If they're calling McCarthy up it's because they think he's going to pitch, otherwise he would have taken his turn tonight and then pitched Wednesday or Thursday in Anaheim. They're not going to let him sit for ten days and then pitch, that would be crazy. (Also, as an interesting subplot McCarthy faced the LA A's of A twice in spring and dominated them. I don't know who that gives an advantage to, though.)

Ol' No. 2
05-21-2005, 12:58 AM
Hmm, very strange to say the least, especially hearing it this late on The Score 670. Being as last minute as it sounds, I too doubted that McCarthy was starting in place of Contreras tomorrow. Zambrano and Prior are both not easy walks in the park. Also because they haven't given a more valid reason with El Duque, it's premature to count on anything right now.You didn't say your source was The Snore. In that case, everything I said about considering the source counts double!

owensmouth
05-21-2005, 01:26 AM
According to the Cubune, Hernandez has a "tired shoulder" and it's "tightly wrapped". I'll edit this inna minute to add the article.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-050520soxbits,1,3543849.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

owensmouth
05-21-2005, 01:30 AM
Here's why it may make sense to have McCarthy start Saturday: The wind is supposed to blow in on Saturday and out on Sunday. McCarthy is prone to giving up the big fly, so it would be a real boost for him to pitch Saturday.

Contreras has been somewhat prone to the same shortcoming (or long-going) in his last pair of starts.

IowaSox1971
05-21-2005, 02:42 AM
Garland should not pitch against the Cubs. He will be needed against the Angels. Contreras should pitch Saturday, and McCarthy should throw on Sunday, if El Duque can't go. We've already won a game in the Cubs series, and even if we lose the last two, that would be no disgrace, because those would be in games where the pitching matchups obviously were against us. Let's get through this Cubs series (hopefully by winning at least two of three) and be at our best (with Garland, Buehrle and Garcia) for what will be a huge test on the West Coast. There's no reason to throw Garland a day earlier than he expected.

shoota
05-21-2005, 02:50 AM
According to the Cubune, Hernandez has a "tired shoulder" and it's "tightly wrapped". I'll edit this inna minute to add the article.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-050520soxbits,1,3543849.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

From page 2 of that linked article:

Carl Everett will return to the lineup Saturday in either left or right field, with Podsednik probably sitting. Guillen faces a tough call because Dye's emerging and Podsednik had two hits, including a bunt single during a three-run fifth.

I strongly disagree with this. I want Podsednik starting in left and driving Zamrano crazy--especially if bad shoulder Barrett is catching.

I realize that this it not the ideal time to sit Dye for Everett because it might change Dye's momentum, but once Thomas returns Dye will be odd man out anyway. If Ozzie sits Pods over Dye...:angry:

shoota
05-21-2005, 02:59 AM
Thank you MisterB, owensmouth and Ol' No. 2 for the education on service time that I obviously needed.

Ol' No. 2: what's a super 2?

Unregistered
05-21-2005, 03:02 AM
I must be the only person in the room who isn't all that excited about bringing up McCarthy already. He's gotten knocked around a bit in AAA (hitter's park or not - and last I checked, The Cell was one of those) and regardless of his success against fellow minor leaguers in ST, I just don't think the kid is ready for major-league action - and certainly not in a series as big as this one.

Maybe it's just the bad taste in my mouth from the last conga-line of (In my best Lip imitation) "can't-miss kids" who got shelled as our #5 starters last year, but I'm just not as enthusiastic as everyone else seems to be about BMac's ML debut.

lostletters
05-21-2005, 03:15 AM
As silly as this sounds. Have you thought about Ozzie not wanting to risk el duque hitting. Maybe Ozzie wants somebody who can pitch more then 3 innings as a middle reliever just in case El Duque has a meltdown.

It is a contigency plan. If El Duque is ready to pitch, I am sure he will pitch.

I do not think El Duque is injured...but he may be a little overworked and Ozzie rather be safe then sorry with his pitchers. He is rather conservative with his pitching staff, which I do not see as a bad thing. If there is something to be conservative about it is your pitching staff, especially when the sox are making a run for the playoffs. If you need to rest a guy for an extra start because you have a gut feeling he may not be ready, you rest him. It is better to risk the loss then risk the pitcher for the rest of the season, especially when the pitcher is of the quality of El Duque in the playoffs.

rowand33
05-21-2005, 03:19 AM
I realize that this it not the ideal time to sit Dye for Everett because it might change Dye's momentum, but once Thomas returns Dye will be odd man out anyway. If Ozzie sits Pods over Dye...:angry:

I don't agree with Dye being the odd man out. Notice how Dye has been surging and Everett's average has quietly dropped to .250?

The bench is Carl's. Paul and Dye are getting hot in time to save their jobs.

I want us to play the line up we played today all 3 games. Carl can pinch hit.

MIgrenade
05-21-2005, 04:14 AM
I realize that this it not the ideal time to sit Dye for Everett because it might change Dye's momentum, but once Thomas returns Dye will be odd man out anyway. If Ozzie sits Pods over Dye...:angry:

I agree. It seems to be a tough decision but it really isn't. Pods is hitting well and his average is going up, that means you should leave him in. Carl's average is going down so leave him out. Plus, Pods keys the offense. Things change when he reaches base. He knows it and the opposition knows it. I know he needs rest sometimes but not when he's playing well. Rest him after an 0 fer game. That's my opinion and I've been drinking.:gulp:

cwsox
05-21-2005, 06:31 AM
What about sending Walker down and using B-mac out of the pen? But if El Duque is hurt, it'll be McCarthy steppin in. It'll Be interesting to see how this plays out.

that is about as I see it

Realist
05-21-2005, 07:49 AM
Garland should not pitch against the Cubs. He will be needed against the Angels. Contreras should pitch Saturday, and McCarthy should throw on Sunday, if El Duque can't go. We've already won a game in the Cubs series, and even if we lose the last two, that would be no disgrace, because those would be in games where the pitching matchups obviously were against us. Let's get through this Cubs series (hopefully by winning at least two of three) and be at our best (with Garland, Buehrle and Garcia) for what will be a huge test on the West Coast. There's no reason to throw Garland a day earlier than he expected.

I think that you're thinking like the White Sox are probably thinking.

wassagstdu
05-21-2005, 08:32 AM
Looked to me like El Duque was bothered by the cool weather last time out. He kept blowing on his hand, and I thought his lack of control was because of cold fingers. The high temperature on Sat and Sun is predicted to be just above 70, so maybe the point is to rest El Duque while the weather is cool and hope for warmer days soon.

Andy T Clown
05-21-2005, 08:49 AM
WBBM radio just said that El Duque has a sore shoulder and McCarthy will go on Sunday.

zach074
05-21-2005, 08:54 AM
He's gotten knocked around a bit in AAA hitter's park or not - and last I checked, The Cell was one of those .

The cell is, but he won't be pitching there he will be pitching in the urinal.

Ol' No. 2
05-21-2005, 09:06 AM
Thank you MisterB, owensmouth and Ol' No. 2 for the education on service time that I obviously needed.

Ol' No. 2: what's a super 2?

Players with at least three years of major league service are eligible for arbitration. In addition, the top 17% (in service time) of those with more than two years but less than three years of service also qualify. These are known as "super twos".

surfdudes
05-21-2005, 09:35 AM
Says the Daily Herald, because Hernandez has sore Shoulder. Says official announcement will come later today.....

http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/whitesox.asp?id=51874


I like it, especially if we win on Saturday and alleviate a little pressure by already having two in the bag.........

Mickster
05-21-2005, 09:44 AM
Says the Daily Herald, because Hernandez has sore Shoulder. Says official announcement will come later today.....

http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/whitesox.asp?id=51874


I like it, especially if we win on Saturday and alleviate a little pressure by already having two in the bag.........

I absolutely hate it. This reeks of Jerry Manual. Assuming that we get the W on Saturday, why not pitch Garland on normal rest on Sunday? You would achieve 2 things:

1. Keep your rotation on it's current pace.
2. Go for the kill in the series.

The last place I would like to see BMac pitch his fiirst game is the urinal. IMHO.

harwar
05-21-2005, 10:02 AM
I'm thinking that the dukes' injury is worse than the White Sox have let on and they want to find out right now if McCarthy can handle the pressure.
If not,you can be sure that KW will be aggressive on aquiring another starter.
I sure hope that i'm wrong because i like the idea of "el duque" pitching in the post-season for us.

PaleHoseGeorge
05-21-2005, 10:08 AM
For the first 7 weeks of the season the Sox have the undisputed best rotation in all of baseball. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO **** AROUND WITH IT. Just leave it alone.

Changing the rotation would be precisely the kind of move Jerry Manuel would make... tinkering for the sake of tinkering... he was an idiot and Thank God Ozzie shows more intelligence on this matter.

:jerry
"Maybe I'll spot start Aaron Rowand against the Angels. He's from southern California..."

Until we know for FACT that El Duque will miss more than one start it makes perfect sense to spot start McCarthy and keep the other 4 pitchers in the exact same routine they've been following since opening day. Don't **** around with excellence...

Anything beyond this is pure speculation... we need to know more about El Duque's condition.

MaggPipes
05-21-2005, 10:09 AM
They way that McCarthy has pitched, what would we wrong with throwing him in at #6? These guys would form the deepest rotation in baseball for sure, and we would have a chance to win every night, and it would not tax the pitchers as much. I know the downside of maybe the pitchers can't respond on that much rest, but if it would work how awesome would it be to be the only team in the majors to flaunt a studly 6 man rotation? Sure this is going to cut down your chances to get to 20 wins, but if this team is truly all about the team, why would it matter? Well, let the bashing of me begin....

voodoochile
05-21-2005, 10:14 AM
They way that McCarthy has pitched, what would we wrong with throwing him in at #6? These guys would form the deepest rotation in baseball for sure, and we would have a chance to win every night, and it would not tax the pitchers as much. I know the downside of maybe the pitchers can't respond on that much rest, but if it would work how awesome would it be to be the only team in the majors to flaunt a studly 6 man rotation? Sure this is going to cut down your chances to get to 20 wins, but if this team is truly all about the team, why would it matter? Well, let the bashing of me begin....


Why would you want to take away that many starts From Buehrle, Garcia and Garland between now and the end of the year?

DumpJerry
05-21-2005, 10:14 AM
I wondering if KW isn't shopping one of the starters for a bat and is planning on using BMac to replace him. Of the Five, I would imagine Contreras would be the one shipped out.........

BTW, I agree with not using Garland on Sunday. We are playing a strong Angels team for four games starting Monday, we need him and Buehrle for half of those games. Say what you want about the pride we feel about beating the Flubs, they are a AAA team that most starters can beat. Also, the Flubs have a horrendous record against starters making their major league debut.

voodoochile
05-21-2005, 10:16 AM
I wondering if KW isn't shopping one of the starters for a bat and is planning on using BMac to replace him. Of the Five, I would imagine Contreras would be the one shipped out.........

BTW, I agree with not using Garland on Sunday. We are playing a strong Angels team for four games starting Monday, we need him and Buehrle for half of those games. Say what you want about the pride we feel about beating the Flubs, they are a AAA team that most starters can beat. Also, the Flubs have a horrendous record against starters making their major league debut.

The Sox already have acquired a big bat. He'll be here in a couple of weeks at most. His name is Frank Thomas and he won't cost the team a thing.

Jjav829
05-21-2005, 10:18 AM
I wondering if KW isn't shopping one of the starters for a bat and is planning on using BMac to replace him. Of the Five, I would imagine Contreras would be the one shipped out.........


Why would KW break up what is currently the best rotation in baseball to put in a rookie with a 4.72 ERA at AAA? If anything, I'd say it's more likely that KW would call up McCarthy to showcase McCarthy for a trade.

GoSox2K3
05-21-2005, 10:19 AM
Looked to me like El Duque was bothered by the cool weather last time out. He kept blowing on his hand, and I thought his lack of control was because of cold fingers. The high temperature on Sat and Sun is predicted to be just above 70, so maybe the point is to rest El Duque while the weather is cool and hope for warmer days soon.

The low 70s is too cold for him to pitch?:?:

surfdudes
05-21-2005, 10:19 AM
I absolutely hate it. This reeks of Jerry Manual. Assuming that we get the W on Saturday, why not pitch Garland on normal rest on Sunday? You would achieve 2 things:

1. Keep your rotation on it's current pace.
2. Go for the kill in the series.

The last place I would like to see BMac pitch his fiirst game is the urinal. IMHO.

So when do you put McCarthy in? When is a good time for him to pitch? every series is important, whether it's the Cubs or the Devil Rays, or whoever. For all the reasons I think Jerry Manual was wrong for putting in Cotts at Yankee Stadium, McCarthy is going to have to pitch in a game, eventually, and I would rather see if he has the juevos now to handle a little pressure rather than September against Minnesota because we didn't have a choice. Plus, if he has any kind of outing, we have a luxury of resting El Duque as needed, IMHO

voodoochile
05-21-2005, 10:25 AM
So when do you put McCarthy in? When is a good time for him to pitch? every series is important, whether it's the Cubs or the Devil Rays, or whoever. For all the reasons I think Jerry Manual was wrong for putting in Cotts at Yankee Stadium, McCarthy is going to have to pitch in a game, eventually, and I would rather see if he has the juevos now to handle a little pressure rather than September against Minnesota because we didn't have a choice. Plus, if he has any kind of outing, we have a luxury of resting El Duque as needed, IMHO

If he has to pitch, better this series than either of the next two. It not only means less in the standings, the flubbies have a much worse offense than the Angels or Rangers. If he ends up having to start twice, I for one would prefer he got his feet wet before having to face hard hitting AL clubs who are eyeballing a possible run at the playoffs or pennant.

Hitmen77
05-21-2005, 10:26 AM
Changing the rotation would be precisely the kind of move Jerry Manuel would make... tinkering for the sake of tinkering... he was an idiot and Thank God Ozzie shows more intelligence on this matter.

:jerry
"PHG, you don't understand managing a baseball team like I do. You see, if the Sox win today, they will have clinched a series victory - so Sunday's game becomes meaningless and you can put in your B squad and bring up a minor leaguer to start and it really doesn't matter if you lose. Also, you should start a rookie in a high-profile, intense situation (such as against the Yankees or Cubs) in order to get him ready for the big leagues - this approach worked so well for Neal Cotts!

DumpJerry
05-21-2005, 10:26 AM
The Sox already have acquired a big bat. He'll be here in a couple of weeks at most. His name is Frank Thomas and he won't cost the team a thing.

Why would KW break up what is currently the best rotation in baseball to put in a rookie with a 4.72 ERA at AAA? If anything, I'd say it's more likely that KW would call up McCarthy to showcase McCarthy for a trade.

I agree with you guys, but I am worried sick about the implications of this move. We will not carry 6 starters and sending BMac to the 'Pen would mess him up because he won't get the regular work he gets in Charlotte. Maybe this is a brief call-up to give el Duque a spell for one game, then return him. It could make Mr. Big Game (el Duque) available for the Angels series if Contreras is not ready for Thursday's game.....

Maybe we should wait and see what happens.

The Racehorse
05-21-2005, 10:31 AM
:tomatoaward
Too bad Shingo couldn't pick up where he left off [last year] because if he had, then Hermanson would be free for a spot start... which is why I chose him for my 2005 PTC.

kevingrt
05-21-2005, 10:38 AM
I agree with you guys, but I am worried sick about the implications of this move. We will not carry 6 starters and sending BMac to the 'Pen would mess him up because he won't get the regular work he gets in Charlotte. Maybe this is a brief call-up to give el Duque a spell for one game, then return him. It could make Mr. Big Game (el Duque) available for the Angels series if Contreras is not ready for Thursday's game.....

Maybe we should wait and see what happens.

I really don't like the future implications of this move either. If El Duque is really sore and seriously cannot start for two games or so, put him on the DL, give him some rest for later in the season. Instead we have six starters on the 25-man roster and none should see any time in the 'pen because it probably will not be beneficial. Hopefully McCarthy will work out, but I don't want to see a 6-man rotation. That jsut puts Buerhle, Garcia, and Garland out of wack. KW better know something we don't right now!

dcb33
05-21-2005, 10:45 AM
I really don't like the future implications of this move either. If El Duque is really sore and seriously cannot start for two games or so, put him on the DL, give him some rest for later in the season. Instead we have six starters on the 25-man roster and none should see any time in the 'pen because it probably will not be beneficial. Hopefully McCarthy will work out, but I don't want to see a 6-man rotation. That jsut puts Buerhle, Garcia, and Garland out of wack. KW better know something we don't right now!

FWIW, the Snore reported that El Duque will be put on the DL to rest a sore shoulder, although there is nothing posted on any mlb site indicating this is the case.

Frater Perdurabo
05-21-2005, 10:52 AM
For those wanting to break up Contreras and Hernandez, this is what you do: when Hernandez comes back, insert him back into the rotation in a different spot.

If, heaven forbid, McCarthy stinks it up, he goes back to the minors. If he does well, keep him in the rotation and move Contreras to long relief.

Realist
05-21-2005, 11:59 AM
I'm not worried too much about El Duque being a little bit sore or even having to go on the DL knowing that we have McCarthy to slip in there.

I don't think it matters who McCarthy pitches against. The one thing I remember most about him from the spring is his mental maturity and composure on the mound and the fact that he doesn't walk anybody.

I think we're still in pretty good shape.


nana dance

nug0hs
05-23-2005, 01:38 PM
I love how this post just stopped in mid air after BMac's "good" start. A 21 year old kid giving up 2 runs and 6K with 1BB in his DEBUT against one of the team's most bitter rivals is something to be proud of. I think people should stop worrying so much about his call-up. His numbers in Charlotte don't do him justice, but more runs are scored in that place than Coors Field it seems. Let the kid pitch. I'm considering his first start to be a W since hes not the one that gave up the game-losing homer. At our current pace/record I doubt anyone would voluntarily leave our farm system and by the time his contract is ready to be renewed we will have already won the WS. Stop worrying Sox fans.