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Sxy Mofo
05-19-2005, 12:32 PM
I'm sure i'll rehash topics that you guys have probably gone over and over, but oh well.

What are your thoughts on neal cotts. That game against baltimore was not good, but overall, he's had pretty good numbers for the season.

I just don't know that he'll ever reach that next level, ya know?

balke
05-19-2005, 12:39 PM
I think Cotts is a guy who throws straight 95 M.P.H. fast balls. When he throws them right, he's really good. When he is off a little, he'll walk everyone and give up lots of longballs. Not bad as the weakest link in our bullpen... or I guess second weakest now that we have Walker.

tschneid83
05-19-2005, 12:43 PM
I think it is all in his confidence. He has some good stuff but he chooses to put it in the wrong places a lot of the time. I dont it is b/c he is not hitting his spots either. He just looks like he is afraid to blow a pitch by someone. It appears he is trying to outsmart them instead of pitching to them. Garland did that the last couple of years (tried to make that perfect pitch) and he got away from that and look at what he is doing. cotts needs to learn that he had a excellent defense behind him and not try to pitch so perfect.

hawkjt
05-19-2005, 12:43 PM
I see Neal as a slowly maturing deceptively hard throwing lefty with control issues. It was good to see him get in there without pressure yesterday and he came thru. He either has control right away and is good or walks the first guy and is in major trouble. He needs more innings to settle down and who knows if his control will ever be pinpoint. He is a sweeper like Damaso and they struggle getting strikes called. I think Cotts will be good eventually.

Lip Man 1
05-19-2005, 12:52 PM
Neal Cotts still is having difficulty throwing strikes. When he does they usually are down the middle and he gets lit up. Until Neal Cotts can effectively throw his other pitches for strikes he does not need to be in any close games unless the other Sox members of the pen have been used a lot.

I hope he can figure it out. We'll see.

Lip

PicktoCLick72
05-19-2005, 01:12 PM
Will Cotts ever be used in a spot start?

tlebar318
05-19-2005, 01:24 PM
I still think the kid will come around....I am a bit biased though as he is a fellow Illinois State Redbird Alumni like myself! :D:

Fake Chet Lemon
05-19-2005, 01:27 PM
Will Cotts ever be used in a spot start?


Yes, whenever we play the Yankees. I'd prefer Ozzie use him more as a long man than a lefty specialist. He'd be just fine in that role.

SOXfnNlansing
05-19-2005, 01:31 PM
cotts and vizz the fizz are the weak links to this team. Every time they come in they give up a run, or get lucky and strand the bases loaded. I don't know why Ozzie brings them in as the first call to the pen. I can see if we are up or down by 5 runs, but they come in with the game on the line usually.

TaylorStSox
05-19-2005, 01:54 PM
I see a guy who doesn't have any confidence in his change, his best pitch. He was brought up too quickly. He hasn't had time to develop that change and that curve. He's playing out of position. He should be starting in AAA. Adkins should be up, in the bullpen. Adkins won't be anything more than a long reliever while Cotts can, and probably will, be a 3rd starter.

maurice
05-19-2005, 01:58 PM
When Cotts throws his fastball for strikes, he's relatively unhittable. When he falls behind in the count and throws too many pitches, he gets in big trouble (ala Takatsu). It's reasonable to believe that he'll walk fewer guys as he matures and gains confidence, but the jury's still out. In the meanwhile, he's a fine long reliever, especially if he continues to keep his ERA under 4.

Ol' No. 2
05-19-2005, 02:45 PM
Neal Cotts doesn't seem to do when with long layoffs. Not unusual for any player, but especially young ones. When he hasn't had much work he struggles to throw strikes.

Daver
05-19-2005, 03:09 PM
When Cotts throws his fastball for strikes, he's relatively unhittable. When he falls behind in the count and throws too many pitches, he gets in big trouble (ala Takatsu). It's reasonable to believe that he'll walk fewer guys as he matures and gains confidence, but the jury's still out. In the meanwhile, he's a fine long reliever, especially if he continues to keep his ERA under 4.The Expos brought up a young pitcher in 1988 that had similar problems, after two season they gave up on him and traded him to Seattle.

Ol' No. 2
05-19-2005, 03:18 PM
The Expos brought up a young pitcher in 1988 that had similar problems, after two season they gave up on him and traded him to Seattle.I remember him. Kind of tall, wasn't he? What ever happened to that guy, anyhow?

jehosaphat
05-19-2005, 03:30 PM
I still think the kid will come around....I am a bit biased though as he is a fellow Illinois State Redbird Alumni like myself! :D:

Me too! Go Birds, Go Cotts, & Go Sox. :D:

And, I agree with Lip, don't put him in any close games.

White Sox Randy
05-19-2005, 03:38 PM
one day in this league. I'm not sure when but if we trade him, it could come back to haunt us. He could be an excellent starter.

shoota
05-19-2005, 05:55 PM
I'm sure i'll rehash topics that you guys have probably gone over and over, but oh well.

What are your thoughts on neal cotts. That game against baltimore was not good, but overall, he's had pretty good numbers for the season.

I just don't know that he'll ever reach that next level, ya know?

I think he's a steaming pile of crap.

I think he should be in the minors developing with Walker taking his spot on the MLB club. But if the Sox insist on having him on the team, make him a long reliever and NEVER have him pitch in close games.

MisterB
05-19-2005, 05:56 PM
I think he's a steaming pile of crap.

Don't sugar-coat it, tell us what you really think.

:D:

Chisox003
05-19-2005, 05:58 PM
I think he has some good stuff and will eventually be good, remember hes only 25 years old....

As for right now, keep him out of close games and keep him out of Yankee stadium

balke
05-19-2005, 09:29 PM
cotts and vizz the fizz are the weak links to this team. Every time they come in they give up a run, or get lucky and strand the bases loaded. I don't know why Ozzie brings them in as the first call to the pen. I can see if we are up or down by 5 runs, but they come in with the game on the line usually.


Vizz the fizz? Seriously, I don't know why people think the Sox are able to use Hermanson in every relief situation. You aren't going to have 6 relievers with 0.00 ERA's. Vizz and Cotts are pretty good when you consider their role on the team. They normally come in the 7th or earlier if a starter couldn't make it to the 9th. Normally they inherit base runners, and have to get someone else out of a jam in these earlier innings. They also come in when the Sox are losing, or if Hermanson Marte and Politte are overworked.

They've done a great job for the situations they are normally put in, and besides what I've seen out of Walker in his first outing, I'm pretty comfortable with all the relievers coming into the game. Occasionally they will be put in close games, and that sucks. But its also not fair to expect Hermanson Politte or Marte to pitch us out of every tight situation.

And, no these pitchers don't give up runs everytime they come into the game. Vizz has been rocked twice, that's it. Cotts maybe had one game where too much confidence was put into him because he started out the season throwing well. Neither of them are closers, but they are both a lot better than Jackson. I sometimes wonder How Adkins would do in our pen. He gave up the gopher ball a lot, but he also had some strong outings last season.