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hose
05-15-2005, 08:29 AM
After 17 home dates the Sox attendance is averaging 2437 per game more from last year and over to 40,000 total . Those figures include the Yankees appearance in 2004.

Look for a great season total with weekend series against the Twins(4), Yankees, Angels, Dodgers, Boston(4), Indians, and cubs still to come.

The Cell will be hopping in this year.:bandance:

Gene (ewokpelts) pointed out that DH'ers from rain outs don't count against the average, so I corrected the total.

voodoochile
05-15-2005, 10:55 AM
This is great news. If they stay hot, it will go up even more. That's already a pace to draw 2.3 fans even if the number doesn't increase.

nccwsfan
05-15-2005, 01:08 PM
Which would be one of their highest attendance totals in history- I forsee 2.5 million + this year.....great job!!! :bandance:

WSox8404
05-15-2005, 01:38 PM
What is that website with the side by side comparisons from last years attendance to this years? The one in which it says the average attendance that changes after every game throughout the year.

HomeFish
05-15-2005, 01:42 PM
None of this matters unless greater-than-anticipated attendence revenue prompts JR to allow some payroll-growing trades at the deadline. Trade improvement is the only way that attendence can have an effect on the numbers of runs scored and games won, and that last one is the only stat that matters.

Let's focus on that one.

MeanFish
05-15-2005, 02:28 PM
None of this matters unless greater-than-anticipated attendence revenue prompts JR to allow some payroll-growing trades at the deadline. Trade improvement is the only way that attendence can have an effect on the numbers of runs scored and games won, and that last one is the only stat that matters.

Let's focus on that one.

That's going to depend entirely on whether we NEED payroll-growing trades at the deadline. If needlessly throwing money at problems doesn't usually solve anything, then what about needlessly throwing money at non-problems?

Payroll flexibility is one thing, but let's not spend money for the sake of spending money.

Unless, of course, it's on Aubrey Huff.

HomeFish
05-15-2005, 02:49 PM
That's going to depend entirely on whether we NEED payroll-growing trades at the deadline. If needlessly throwing money at problems doesn't usually solve anything, then what about needlessly throwing money at non-problems?

Payroll flexibility is one thing, but let's not spend money for the sake of spending money.

Unless, of course, it's on Aubrey Huff.

That's all very valid, especially since so much of this team's success is coming from guys that typically would be midseason tradebait or replaced by midseason acquisitions.

But, my main point was that since attendence can only help the team win in one way, your point that that way isn't necessarily going to help only makes my point stronger.

At this point, attendence questions all deserve the same response:

:whocares

SouthSide4Life
05-15-2005, 07:22 PM
i'm with HomeFish

Hitmen77
05-16-2005, 08:59 AM
How do you figure 3,375? According to the Sun-Times site, we're something like 2,400 ahead of last year - and that's after this weekend's games. The Sox to date have averaged 22,700 per game. If they want to draw 2.3 million this year, they'd have to average 30,000 per game for the rest of the year. That may be a tough task given the traditional dip in attendance after school starts again and the fact that max. attendance is only about 38-39k on sellout days.

I wouldn't worry about crunching the numbers - the important thing is that attendance and fan interest is climbing and a successful '05 should lead to more season ticket holders and advanced ticket sales in the future. :smile:

Anyone in the media who is surprised that the Sox aren't suddenly pulling in 35k every week night doesn't know what they are talking about (or are just looking for a reason to rip on the Sox).

LongLiveFisk
05-16-2005, 09:01 AM
At this point, attendence questions all deserve the same response:

:whocares

Exactly. Besides, they don't notice Sox attendance except when it's April and 30 degrees outside.

Frater Perdurabo
05-16-2005, 09:24 AM
None of this matters unless greater-than-anticipated attendence revenue prompts JR to allow some payroll-growing trades at the deadline. Trade improvement is the only way that attendence can have an effect on the numbers of runs scored and games won, and that last one is the only stat that matters.

Let's focus on that one.

OK. Fine. The increased attendance gives the Sox the flexibility - and incentive - to make such deals. Given Trader Kenny's predilection to roll the dice and the increased attendance that gives him more money to spend, at this point it's more likely we'll see the Sox pull the trigger on a deal for a big name.

Also, with every Houston loss, Roger Clemens is more and more likely to be willing to be traded to a winner.

Pulaski
05-16-2005, 09:51 AM
The Sox attendance is averaging 3,375 per game more from last year and close to 60,000 total . Those figures include the Yankees appearance in 2004.

Look for a great season total with weekend series against the Twins(4), Yankees, Angels, Dodgers, Boston(4), Indians, and cubs still to come.

The Cell will be hopping in this year.:bandance:

It is good news; however, I am more interested in the W column!

ChicagoHoosier
05-16-2005, 09:59 AM
What is the "true" capacity for the Cell? Can it go over 40,615? Or are there no standing room only tickets ever sold? Always have wondered how record crowds get broken at some stadiums in the same season without adding seats.

hose
05-16-2005, 10:44 AM
How do you figure 3,375? According to the Sun-Times site, we're something like 2,400 ahead of last year - and that's after this weekend's games. The Sox to date have averaged 22,700 per game.


The correct average figure should have been 4,414 :cool: before Sundays game. I believe I divided 2004 total by 17 instead of 18 ...my bad.


figures from 2005 Sox media guide for 2004 numbers and ESPN for 2005.

2004:
1- 4/13- 37,706
2- 4/14- 11,765
3- 4-15- 15,150
4- 4-20- 32,034
5- 4-21- 26,154
6- 4-22- 34,030
7- 4-23- 12,049
8- 4-24- 17,062
9- 4-25- 17,497
10- 4-27- 14,572
11- 4-28- 12,189
12- 4-29- 11,210
13- 4-30- rain out made as DH up on 5/1
14- 5-1- 22,072 (DH)
15- 5-2 - 15,550
16- 5-11- 20,400
17- 5-12 - rain out made as DH up on 5/13
18- 5-13- 18,324 (DH)

18 dates = 317,764...ave 17,653


2005:
1- 4-4- 38,141
2- 4-6- 10,520
3- 4-7- 10,800
4- 4-15- 16,749
5- 4-16- 25,931
6- 4-17- 23,324
7- 4-18- 27,018
8- 4-19- 18,310
9- 4-29- 18,313
10- 4-30- 30,189
11- 5-1- 20,862
12- 5-3- 12,362
13- 5-4- 12,712
14- 5-5- 15,389
15- 12- 29,031
16- 5-13- 28,188
17- 5-14- 37,311 (Saturday's game)

17 dates = 375,150...ave 22,067

Flight #24
05-16-2005, 12:08 PM
Positive outlook: payroll is at about $75mil with attendance last year just under 2mil. If things continue as they seem to be and JR reinvests it, they should be in position to add a significant producer, which will in turn help boost revenues/attendance...and the virtuous cycle FINALLY begins.

ewokpelts
05-16-2005, 12:55 PM
The correct average figure should have been 4,414 :cool: before Sundays game. I believe I divided 2004 total by 17 instead of 18 ...my bad.


figures from 2005 Sox media guide for 2004 numbers and ESPN for 2005.

2004:
1- 4/13- 37,706
2- 4/14- 11,765
3- 4-15- 15,150
4- 4-20- 32,034
5- 4-21- 26,154
6- 4-22- 34,030
7- 4-23- 12,049
8- 4-24- 17,062
9- 4-25- 17,497
10- 4-27- 14,572
11- 4-28- 12,189
12- 4-29- 11,210
13- 4-30- rain out made as DH up on 5/1
14- 5-1- 22,072 (DH)
15- 5-2 - 15,550
16- 5-11- 20,400
17- 5-12 - rain out made as DH up on 5/13
18- 5-13- 18,324 (DH)

18 dates = 317,764...ave 17,653


2005:
1- 4-4- 38,141
2- 4-6- 10,520
3- 4-7- 10,800
4- 4-15- 16,749
5- 4-16- 25,931
6- 4-17- 23,324
7- 4-18- 27,018
8- 4-19- 18,310
9- 4-29- 18,313
10- 4-30- 30,189
11- 5-1- 20,862
12- 5-3- 12,362
13- 5-4- 12,712
14- 5-5- 15,389
15- 12- 29,031
16- 5-13- 28,188
17- 5-14- 37,311 (Saturday's game)

17 dates = 375,150...ave 22,067
the rained out games DONT count towards the average......the doubleheaders were a "one ticket, two games" event...the sox officially played 79 home dates last year....
Gene

Ol' No. 2
05-16-2005, 01:02 PM
The correct average figure should have been 4,414 :cool: before Sundays game. I believe I divided 2004 total by 17 instead of 18 ...my bad.


figures from 2005 Sox media guide for 2004 numbers and ESPN for 2005.

2004:
1- 4/13- 37,706
2- 4/14- 11,765
3- 4-15- 15,150
4- 4-20- 32,034
5- 4-21- 26,154
6- 4-22- 34,030
7- 4-23- 12,049
8- 4-24- 17,062
9- 4-25- 17,497
10- 4-27- 14,572
11- 4-28- 12,189
12- 4-29- 11,210
13- 4-30- rain out made as DH up on 5/1
14- 5-1- 22,072 (DH)
15- 5-2 - 15,550
16- 5-11- 20,400
17- 5-12 - rain out made as DH up on 5/13
18- 5-13- 18,324 (DH)

18 dates = 317,764...ave 17,653


2005:
1- 4-4- 38,141
2- 4-6- 10,520
3- 4-7- 10,800
4- 4-15- 16,749
5- 4-16- 25,931
6- 4-17- 23,324
7- 4-18- 27,018
8- 4-19- 18,310
9- 4-29- 18,313
10- 4-30- 30,189
11- 5-1- 20,862
12- 5-3- 12,362
13- 5-4- 12,712
14- 5-5- 15,389
15- 12- 29,031
16- 5-13- 28,188
17- 5-14- 37,311 (Saturday's game)

17 dates = 375,150...ave 22,067On a real apples to apples comparison, the difference is even larger. In 2004 they played the Yankees three times in April, which drew 92,000. The average for the other games was only 15,000.

mccombe_35
05-16-2005, 02:21 PM
not according to the Sun Times.

still up, but by about 43,000 total, or 2,400 per game

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=suntimes&page=mlb/teams/030/attendance.aspx%3Fteam=030

hose
05-16-2005, 04:01 PM
On a real apples to apples comparison, the difference is even larger. In 2004 they played the Yankees three times in April, which drew 92,000. The average for the other games was only 15,000.

It is a positive trend , plus we have our 2 week homestand in June this year instead of April and first 2 days of May like last year.:thumbsup:

Mohoney
05-16-2005, 06:30 PM
Positive outlook: payroll is at about $75mil with attendance last year just under 2mil.

Plus, there are more premium dates with higher prices than there were last year.

The Yankees, Red Sox, and Dodgers series all cost $9 more per seat than regular days, the Cubs series costs $14 more, and the remaining 6 weekend series after Memorial Day (against the Twins, Tigers, Indians, Mariners, A's, and Angels) etc. cost $4 more.

We know that the series against the Cubs is a guaranteed 120,000 fans. That's about $1.68 million extra dollars.

Let's say that the series against the Yankees, Dodgers, and Red Sox bring in at least another 300,000 fans (a low-ball estimate of 30,000 per game for these 10 games) and another $2.7 million.

Finally, we'll assume a 30,000 average for the remaining 18 weekend games, and these 540,000 fans represent another $2.16 million.

All together, this represents about $6.54 million extra dollars made through premium pricing, and that's only assuming sellouts for the Cubs series. I'm sure that a few of the Yankee and Red Sox games will sell out, and I'm sure that a few of the games in September against the Twins and Angels will also sell out, which could mean as much as $8 million extra dollars through these premium prices.

The good news for midseason trade possibilities is that 4 games with Boston, 3 games with the Dodgers, 3 games with the Cubs, 3 games with Cleveland, and 3 games with Oakland come before July 31. So in our hypothetical, that would be about $4.29 million ($1.68 million + 1.89 million + $720,000) extra dollars that we would have our hands on than if these tickets were regular price. That could equate to us being able to provide salary relief to selling teams in midseason deals and lower the cost of the prospects we would have to give.

Aubrey Huff makes $4.75 million this season and $6.75 million next season. If he's traded at the July 31 deadline, the Devil Rays would have already paid roughly $3.167 million of this, leaving roughly $1.583 million to pay him this year and $6.75 million next year, for a total investment of about $8.333 million.

Billy Wagner makes $9 million this year, and will be a free agent this offseason. If traded on July 31, he will be owed $3 million for his final 2 months.

To bring both these guys into the fold on July 31 would increase payroll about $4.583 million this year. With premium pricing and an attendance spike, this could be done, if Tampa Bay and Philadelphia can accept packages that don't include Brandon McCarthy.

Of course, if the Phillies turn it around and are still competitive in the NL East at the deadline, they won't trade Wagner, and it's a moot point, but if the Phillies are dead and looking to sell, Wagner makes sense in a walk year. As for Tampa, I'm almost positive that they will deal Huff to the highest bidder to get that payroll off the books.