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Palehose13
05-12-2005, 12:32 PM
I don't know if this record is to be treated like a no hitter and not talked about, so does anyone know what I am referring to when I say "36" and is it of much importance?

HomeFish
05-12-2005, 12:35 PM
25 tells you just how little 36 means.

Palehose13
05-12-2005, 12:37 PM
25 tells you just how little 36 means.

I thought 25 got a fair amount of publicity. Of course, it all means nothing if they walk away with nothing.

HomeFish
05-12-2005, 12:38 PM
I thought 25 got a fair amount of publicity. Of course, it all means nothing if they walk away with nothing.

What 25 represents actually can make you walk away with something. Nobody ever won anything for what 36 represents.

Palehose13
05-12-2005, 12:40 PM
What 25 represents actually can make you walk away with something. Nobody ever won anything for what 36 represents.

True, but it would be cool to have both records!

Tekijawa
05-12-2005, 12:45 PM
don't we have to get 35 before worrying about 36? or am I completely off on what I think I know?

Jurr
05-12-2005, 12:46 PM
Is there as much a WS correlation with the 36 record as there is with the 25 record?

Palehose13
05-12-2005, 12:46 PM
don't we have to get 35 before worrying about 36? or am I completely off on what I think I know?

Yes, but I brought it up cause the place I heard about it was on the TAMPA broadcast yesterday.

Tekijawa
05-12-2005, 12:47 PM
Yes, but I brought it up cause the place I heard about it was on the TAMPA broadcast yesterday.

I wasn't able to see the broadcast... what is the significance 36?

Edit: or is it bad that I ask the question... i.e. no hitter.

Jurr
05-12-2005, 12:50 PM
Longest ever consecutive leads streak at any time in the regular season.
48 is the record if you add postseason (1998 Yanks), but 36 is the regular season mark.

Johnny Mostil
05-12-2005, 12:56 PM
Longest ever consecutive leads streak at any time in the regular season.
48 is the record if you add postseason (1998 Yanks), but 36 is the regular season mark.

One of the more obscure records of MLB, methinks . . .

Baby Fisk
05-12-2005, 12:58 PM
Who holds 36 BTW?

Palehose13
05-12-2005, 12:58 PM
One of the more obscure records of MLB, methinks . . .
Yes, but I found it amusing that I had to hear about it from the Tampa media.

Palehose13
05-12-2005, 12:59 PM
Who holds 36 BTW?

IIRC, the Dodgers who went to the WS, but were beaten by the Yankees.

MIgrenade
05-12-2005, 12:59 PM
I don't see any ticker tape parades for this one.

Johnny Mostil
05-12-2005, 01:06 PM
IIRC, the Dodgers who went to the WS, but were beaten by the Yankees.

Do you mean '47, '49, '52, '53, '56, '77, or '78?

Johnny Mostil
05-12-2005, 01:07 PM
Yes, but I found it amusing that I had to hear about it from the Tampa media.

True. I wonder how many "records" receive publicity because it's so much easier to research them now (e.g., through electronic searches) . . .

Palehose13
05-12-2005, 01:09 PM
Do you mean '47, '49, '52, '53, '56, '77, or '78?

I believe it was '41.

Johnny Mostil
05-12-2005, 01:17 PM
I believe it was '41.

D'oh! Forgot about them (waaaayyyy OT--was Game 4 the Mickey Owen dropped 3rd strike game?) . . .

daveeym
05-12-2005, 01:19 PM
Yes, but I found it amusing that I had to hear about it from the Tampa media. Well it was mentioned in one of the tv or radio broadcasts recently i believe, because i heard about it and didn't hear it through the tampa media.

Palehose13
05-12-2005, 01:22 PM
Well it was mentioned in one of the tv or radio broadcasts recently i believe, because i heard about it and didn't hear it through the tampa media.

Cool. I am at the mercy of the MLB extra inning package, so I had no idea if it was mentioned by Chicago broadcasters.

pudge
05-12-2005, 01:55 PM
I don't see any ticker tape parades for this one.

What's stopping us from throwing one? :gulp:

Deadguy
05-12-2005, 01:58 PM
What's stopping us from throwing one? :gulp:

I just threw some confetti out the window if it makes you feel any better.

Palehose13
05-12-2005, 02:00 PM
I just threw some confetti out the window if it makes you feel any better.

Sweet! I just threw a student out the window. :cool:

BRDSR
05-12-2005, 02:02 PM
So what you're saying is...I could witness the new record set on Saturday night?

Palehose13
05-12-2005, 02:12 PM
So what you're saying is...I could witness the new record set on Saturday night?

It's possible. :smile:

TommyJohn
05-12-2005, 03:08 PM
I don't know if this record is to be treated like a no hitter and not talked about, so does anyone know what I am referring to when I say "36" and is it of much importance?

It's my age.

guillen4life13
05-12-2005, 04:45 PM
So what you're saying is...I could witness the new record set on Saturday night?

But if that's why you would want to see the game, then I would pity you. It's a worthless record. Winning streaks mean something. Streaks for games in which the team had a lead isn't too important. The fact that they've given up 9 games after holding a lead is not a very good thing. Says something about the 'pen.

daveeym
05-12-2005, 05:09 PM
But if that's why you would want to see the game, then I would pity you. It's a worthless record. Winning streaks mean something. Streaks for games in which the team had a lead isn't too important. The fact that they've given up 9 games after holding a lead is not a very good thing. Says something about the 'pen.Wow a flair for the overdramatic and overstatements, a 1-0 lead in the first goes towards the record and our starters have had 7 more inning usually to "blow" that lead. Leave the bullpen alone.

downstairs
05-12-2005, 05:19 PM
Now I'm confused.

Is 35 the current record, or is 36?

i.e. if the Sox get 36 are they tied for the record, or do they break it???

downstairs
05-12-2005, 05:24 PM
But if that's why you would want to see the game, then I would pity you. It's a worthless record. Winning streaks mean something. Streaks for games in which the team had a lead isn't too important. The fact that they've given up 9 games after holding a lead is not a very good thing. Says something about the 'pen.

Oh come on. Then *most* records are irrelevant. How many of them have that much "bearing" on wins? How many have an effect on a *season*?

Baseball is a game of stats, and this obscure stats like this *do* mean something.

Maybe this isn't anywhere near Joe DiMaggio's streak... but it still means something, and *must* be difficult to achieve considering its 60+ years old!

Palehose13
05-12-2005, 05:38 PM
Now I'm confused.

Is 35 the current record, or is 36?

i.e. if the Sox get 36 are they tied for the record, or do they break it???

IIRC, 36 ties it.

Hangar18
05-12-2005, 05:47 PM
Longest ever consecutive leads streak at any time in the regular season.
48 is the record if you add postseason (1998 Yanks), but 36 is the regular season mark.


If this was the Cubs ....... this wouldve been talked about, consulted,
written about, and a special BOX in both papers wouldve had a "36 watch".
For the Sox ....... nothing.

Palehose13
05-12-2005, 06:01 PM
If this was the Cubs ....... this wouldve been talked about, consulted,
written about, and a special BOX in both papers wouldve had a "36 watch".
For the Sox ....... nothing.

Yeah, that was kind of my point. I was trying to make it without being branded a FOHangar. I love ya' Henry, but I don't look good in tinfoil. :wink:

TommyJohn
05-12-2005, 08:50 PM
But if that's why you would want to see the game, then I would pity you. It's a worthless record. Winning streaks mean something. Streaks for games in which the team had a lead isn't too important. The fact that they've given up 9 games after holding a lead is not a very good thing. Says something about the 'pen.

It could be worse. They could be 9-25.

TommyJohn
05-12-2005, 08:51 PM
Wow a flair for the overdramatic and overstatements, a 1-0 lead in the first goes towards the record and our starters have had 7 more inning usually to "blow" that lead. Leave the bullpen alone.

Stop trying to inject positivity into this.

Tekijawa
05-13-2005, 11:13 PM
Just Tied!!! Just figuered out win or lead 42 would be Friday against the Cub!!!

Palehose13
05-14-2005, 04:21 AM
Just Tied!!! Just figuered out win or lead 42 would be Friday against the Cub!!!

Ha ha! I kept leaving our game tape session to sneak out to the car and listen to the game. I am soooo happy that I didn't jinx it (not that I believe in that) with this thread.

ANYHOO....Our White Sox not have tied the record and WILL (another jinx?) break it tomorrow.

I'm not claiming anything, ladies and gentlemen, but this is one special team to watch. I hope that this is the team that I have hoped for the last 30 years (I know some have waited longer).

LET'S GO WHITE SOX!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm drunk and pumped up. :cool:

ph13

ma_deuce
05-14-2005, 08:04 AM
Sweet! I just threw a student out the window. :cool:

Amazingly enough, I feel much better now. :redneck

Wsoxmike59
05-14-2005, 08:36 AM
Sweet! I just threw a student out the window. :cool:

As long as that student was wearing a Cub hat, and hopefully you were only on the first floor while doing it, then it's OK. :D:

Remember this upcoming weekend when visiting Wrigley, DO NOT THROW HOME RUN BALLS BACK....
Just throw Cub fans back!!!

wassagstdu
05-14-2005, 08:38 AM
It's a worthless record.

I'll be happy if the Sox hold a lead in all 162 games, regardless of how many they win. Actually, that meaningless record reflects two not-so-meaningless factors: (1) The effectiveness of the top of the order in scoring early, and (2) the effectiveness of the starting pitchers in keeping the Sox in games.

jenmcm76
05-14-2005, 09:15 AM
I don't want to be a big ol' bubble-burster, but according to the official Chicago White Sox game notes, here's the list of top spots in 'Consecutive games with a lead':

1. New York - AL....48....6/30-8/19/1998
2. New York - AL....40....7/17-8/27/1932
3. St. Louis ...........37....8/14-9/20/1942
4. New York - AL....37....7/7-8/14/1934
5. Boston..............36....8/11-9/13/1942
6. New York - AL....36....6/30-8/4/1942
7. White Sox..........35....4/4/2005-current (before yesterday's game)

First, what the heck was going on in 1942? Second, a couple of these dates look like they might be edging towards the postseason, before the 162-game schedule, but the 1998 Yankees certainly weren't in the playoffs in mid-August. If this list is correct (and since it was issued by the Sox, I have no reason to believe it's not, we've got a ways to go before we hold the Consecutive Wins Ticker Tape Parade.

DarkCloudDropo
05-14-2005, 10:01 AM
A record which could conceivably be 162 and achieved by every team in the league all in the same year does not seem like much of a record to me.

downstairs
05-14-2005, 11:00 AM
A record which could conceivably be 162 and achieved by every team in the league all in the same year does not seem like much of a record to me.

Huh?

You know, its physically possible for every hitter to have a 162-game hitting streak.

Its also possible for every player to hit 756 homeruns. In one inning.

Do these records mean anything?

wassagstdu
05-14-2005, 03:42 PM
Statisticians: What is the avg winning percentage in games in which the team held a lead at any point? I'm guessing above 0.600, maybe closer to 0.700?

StillMissOzzie
05-15-2005, 02:18 AM
I don't want to be a big ol' bubble-burster, but according to the official Chicago White Sox game notes, here's the list of top spots in 'Consecutive games with a lead':

1. New York - AL....48....6/30-8/19/1998
2. New York - AL....40....7/17-8/27/1932
3. St. Louis ...........37....8/14-9/20/1942
4. New York - AL....37....7/7-8/14/1934
5. Boston..............36....8/11-9/13/1942
6. New York - AL....36....6/30-8/4/1942
7. White Sox..........35....4/4/2005-current (before yesterday's game)

First, what the heck was going on in 1942? Second, a couple of these dates look like they might be edging towards the postseason, before the 162-game schedule, but the 1998 Yankees certainly weren't in the playoffs in mid-August. If this list is correct (and since it was issued by the Sox, I have no reason to believe it's not, we've got a ways to go before we hold the Consecutive Wins Ticker Tape Parade.

No bubble-busting, jen. The record of which the Sox are now the holder of, now at 37, is counting from the beginning of the season, where the other lead streaks you've listed here obviously start in mid-season. IMHO, of much more importance than this record is the high winning percentage the Sox have enjoyed during this streak, which was at .750 prior to tonight's game, so it must have dropped a little. I figure plenty of folks here would have been happy if the Sox were playing at, say, a .600 pace during this streak (eg., 22-14 or so). To be at .750 is why we're so giddy at this point. I also heard that the Sox were the last team to go into double digits in losses.
BTW, what was the Yankee's winning percentage during their 48 game streak with a lead?

SMO
:D:

PS Add me to the long list of admirers of your sig!

jenmcm76
05-16-2005, 08:01 PM
No bubble-busting, jen. The record of which the Sox are now the holder of, now at 37, is counting from the beginning of the season, where the other lead streaks you've listed here obviously start in mid-season. IMHO, of much more importance than this record is the high winning percentage the Sox have enjoyed during this streak, which was at .750 prior to tonight's game, so it must have dropped a little. I figure plenty of folks here would have been happy if the Sox were playing at, say, a .600 pace during this streak (eg., 22-14 or so). To be at .750 is why we're so giddy at this point. I also heard that the Sox were the last team to go into double digits in losses.
BTW, what was the Yankee's winning percentage during their 48 game streak with a lead?

SMO
:D:

PS Add me to the long list of admirers of your sig!

Yeah, I know they've got the longest streak to start a season - heck, they've had it for the last 2 weeks. But the way this thread was going, it sounded like people thought 36 was the record at ANY time during the season, and I just wanted to debunk that part of it.

BTW, the 1998 Yankees were 37-11 during that 48-game stretch (.771) - not too shabby. (and thanks!) :D:

Palehose13
05-16-2005, 11:00 PM
Yeah, I know they've got the longest streak to start a season - heck, they've had it for the last 2 weeks. But the way this thread was going, it sounded like people thought 36 was the record at ANY time during the season, and I just wanted to debunk that part of it.

BTW, the 1998 Yankees were 37-11 during that 48-game stretch (.771) - not too shabby. (and thanks!) :D:

From what I heard, 36 was the mark for the strak during the regular season. The Yankees streak of 48 was mentioned, but said that it included the post-season. My source was the Tampa Bay broadcasters.