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chisoxmike
05-10-2005, 10:33 PM
Here we go...

MIgrenade
05-10-2005, 10:34 PM
Speechless

oeo
05-10-2005, 10:34 PM
One thing sums up that game: :angry:

Charno
05-10-2005, 10:34 PM
Gong!

Viva Medias B's
05-10-2005, 10:34 PM
I am not necessarily saying there is cause for alarm, but we have to get used to the fact that we're not going to be playing at a .750-clip henceforth.

dcb33
05-10-2005, 10:35 PM
And to add insult to injury the Twins rally late to beat the O's 6-4 in 10 innings...:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

bobj4400
05-10-2005, 10:35 PM
Is anybody surprised Shingo gave up that homerun?

JUribe1989
05-10-2005, 10:35 PM
Yeah, let's go out and get Bobby Howry and strengthen up this bullpen. Hermanson for closer! NO MORE SHINGO!

Viva Medias B's
05-10-2005, 10:35 PM
Ozzie, why did we pitch Shingo in a tie ballgame when he sucks in tie ballgames?

Dub25
05-10-2005, 10:35 PM
Shingo sucks! So I ask, who would you rather have? Dingo or LaToya?

Cowhead418
05-10-2005, 10:35 PM
Is anybody surprised Shingo gave up that homerun?
I knew it was over when he came in. Wow I hate losing series to awful teams.

CubsfansareDRUNK
05-10-2005, 10:35 PM
we had a 6-4 lead. a 6-4 lead.


6-4




i might fake sick tomorrow

Huisj
05-10-2005, 10:36 PM
shingo sucks. he's useless right now. how many times has he given up 9th inning homers since last august?

Dub25
05-10-2005, 10:36 PM
Is anybody surprised Shingo gave up that homerun?

NO

soltrain21
05-10-2005, 10:36 PM
That was rough. Ozzie needs to talk to the team..and he NEEDS to get Konerko and Dye in gear.

chisoxmike
05-10-2005, 10:36 PM
I've been saying this for a while, sooner or later the starting 5 isn't going to be pitching with that combine 3.00 ERA, the hitting has to start to come thorugh more often with RISP, they've been leaving key runs on base.

Viva Medias B's
05-10-2005, 10:36 PM
And to add insult to injury the Twins rally late to beat the O's 6-4 in 10 innings...:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

And to top that, the Cubs won and the Cardinals are losing. It's "Stick Your Head in the Oven Night," so far.

oeo
05-10-2005, 10:36 PM
Is anybody surprised Shingo gave up that homerun?

No, not really, I actually thought Toby Hall was going to hit another one. I can't help but get worried everytime he comes in there. Losing two straight to the Devil Rays...:angry:

DoggPhood
05-10-2005, 10:37 PM
vizcaino and dye = :dtroll:

maybe we're back on that win 8, lose 3 kick :cool:

CubsfansareDRUNK
05-10-2005, 10:37 PM
im really sick of shingo being sometimes good. sometimes hes amazing, sometimes he blows it. NOOO

Viva Medias B's
05-10-2005, 10:37 PM
shingo sucks. he's useless right now. how many times has he given up 9th inning homers since last august?

Vizcaino sucks too.

JoseCanseco6969
05-10-2005, 10:37 PM
Is anybody surprised Shingo gave up that homerun?

Not in the slightest...i figured hed lead off with the homer after that 3-0 count

SoxFan48
05-10-2005, 10:37 PM
Amazing stat...how did we manage to lose nine of them?

Cowhead418
05-10-2005, 10:37 PM
The reason we lost this game quite simply is because we blew TWO leads. We had the lead twice in this game. That is twice this season we've done that. I really wish I hadn't watched that game.

MIgrenade
05-10-2005, 10:38 PM
This is an embarrassing loss. The offense scores six runs so the pitchers give up 9 walks and blow the game. All those in the media who took notice to the Sox winning are about to jump off the wagon.

Dub25
05-10-2005, 10:38 PM
Amazing stat...how did we manage to lose nine of them?

Dingo has blown 2 of them

SoxFan48
05-10-2005, 10:38 PM
vizcaino and dye = :dtroll:

maybe we're back on that win 8, lose 3 kick :cool:

Maybe we are due for a losing streak as our luck begins to even out.

CubsfansareDRUNK
05-10-2005, 10:38 PM
wow guys, those blind squirrels sure are finding alot of nuts

seanpmurphy
05-10-2005, 10:39 PM
That pitch looked so ridiculous that if he hadn't taken it yard I would have been surprised. Why is it the Sox feel the need to lose to teams they should handle? Why is Dye garbage? Why is Konerko steadily losing my respect? Why why why Sox!! :whiner: :angry:

Cowhead418
05-10-2005, 10:39 PM
vizcaino and dye = :dtroll:

maybe we're back on that win 8, lose 3 kick :cool:
That would mean having to endure a sweep by the Devil Rays.:o:

oeo
05-10-2005, 10:39 PM
This is an embarrassing loss. The offense scores six runs so the pitchers give up 9 walks and blow the game. All those in the media who took notice to the Sox winning are about to jump off the wagon.

Good. I really don't care how many people in the media jumped on the wagon, get off now, there's no room.

Cowch44
05-10-2005, 10:39 PM
Well a little over a week ago Sox lost 3 straight, and then won 8 straight. So if getting swept by the D-Rays means Sox'll win 8 straight afterwards I'll take it.
"An optimistic White Sox fan?":o:

Konerkoholic
05-10-2005, 10:39 PM
Lets not forget that Vizcaino has not gotten a big out all year. He gave up game-tying hits to Sweeney and Pudge, and now this game. Yeah those are good hitters, but his job is to get those big outs, and he's failing. Right now, Pollite's the guy to go to in the 7th.

NorthlakeTom
05-10-2005, 10:40 PM
All I'm going to say is this.

The pitching sucked. Period.

To hell with "showing confidence" by Ozzie. He needs to get people up in the bullpen when the pitcher is struggling. Let him see those guys out there. Maybe it will knock some sense into them.

I have no confidence in Vizcaino. Use him when we have a 3+ run lead.

I'm losing confidence in Shingo, but not quite yet.

And what's the deal with letting guys steal third without a throw?

Okay, rant over. No biggie. It's only two losses after eight wins, but our pitching stunk up the place today.

Dub25
05-10-2005, 10:40 PM
Sox better win tomorrow because Santana is going for the Twins.

JB98
05-10-2005, 10:41 PM
That would mean having to endure a sweep by the Devil Rays.:o:

I hope that doesn't happen. The bottom line is our pitching staff walked nine guys. It isn't too hard for the opposition to generate offense when you do that.

Also, the middle of our lineup sucks. Not just Konerko and Dye. Everett looks terrible now too.

MIgrenade
05-10-2005, 10:41 PM
wow guys, those blind squirrels sure are finding alot of nuts

This was supposed to be a series where the Sox could pick up a game or two on the Twins, instead we loss a game. It's not even like yesterday where it just a well pitched game and the Sox were on the wrong end. No, this was horrendous.

AnkleSox
05-10-2005, 10:41 PM
The sox may be falling back down to earth.

Tomorrow might be a good indicator of how good this team actually is. Losing a series to the devil rays is bad enough, but getting swept by them would be 5 times as worse, despite only being one more loss.

Shingo shouldn't be used anymore unless the sox are +/- 5 runs or more.

Viva Medias B's
05-10-2005, 10:41 PM
It's one thing if TB came out and just beat us, but we did everything we could to help them win the game.

oeo
05-10-2005, 10:41 PM
Alright, now that I have my anger out of my system at this terrible loss...we're still 3.5 up over the Twins, we have a 24-9 record, 33 straight games we have lead in, and we've won 8 out of our last 10. Lets start another winning streak tomorrow.

Dub25
05-10-2005, 10:42 PM
[QUOTE=NorthlakeTom]All I'm going to say is this.



To hell with "showing confidence" by Ozzie. He needs to get people up in the bullpen when the pitcher is struggling. Let him see those guys out there. Maybe it will knock some sense into them.

I'm confident Ozzie is near the end of Shingo in tight games.

soxwon
05-10-2005, 10:42 PM
twins smell blood score 2 in ninth to win

sox 3-1/2 up.

ChiWhiteSox1337
05-10-2005, 10:42 PM
TB is quickly turning into the new Oakland for this team...quite a few bad losses down there over the past few seasons :whiner:

MRKARNO
05-10-2005, 10:43 PM
Well let's just say this:

95 win teams do get to lose 67 times and to be a 95 win team, this team can still afford another 58.

But the big thing is that at least we were in the game, which is more than we can say about most of our losses in previous years. That 1 run game record was going to worsen. Contreras was going to get killed if he continued to walk a bajillion hitters. Now we've got to find other ways to win...

chisoxmike
05-10-2005, 10:43 PM
I'm tired of seeing Cotts and Vizcanio in close games, bring them in when we are up by 10, or down by 10.

Contreras pitched a Contreras game, we still had the lead and we blew it twice, our team should be KILLING the Devil Rays pitching staff, ugh, bad game, I'll get over it, they'll have their work cut out for them this weekend too against BAL-TEE-MO.

A.T. Money
05-10-2005, 10:44 PM
And to top that, the Cubs won and the Cardinals are losing. It's "Stick Your Head in the Oven Night," so far.

Hahahahahahahahahahaa!!!! LOL:tongue:

BaseballTonyght
05-10-2005, 10:44 PM
Ouch. :anon:

Dub25
05-10-2005, 10:44 PM
TB is quickly turning into the new Oakland for this team...quite a few bad losses down there over the past few seasons :whiner:

I agree! I believe the Sox came into this series 32-33 vs. TB all-time.

Cowhead418
05-10-2005, 10:45 PM
All I hope is that the Sox don't get down cause Baltimore is coming real soon. It just sucks that we lose a game on our lead instead of gaining one.

balke
05-10-2005, 10:46 PM
Its true we won 8 in a row and lost 2 now... but these were both winnable games where we had the lead. I hate when the Sox play down to the competition, no matter what the situation. The offense jumped on Tampa early, and the pitching staff let them right back in it. What a horrible loss.

hose
05-10-2005, 10:46 PM
The walks killed the Sox tonight.

6 runs should have been enough for a win.

mike squires
05-10-2005, 10:46 PM
The good news is my borhter drove from Panama City to watch the game. He got a BP ball and bought a few for autographs. He got Taguchi, Shingo and 3 of the 5 starters on one (Garcia, Garland and Hernandez)

The bad news is well...you know the bad news.:angry: :angry: :angry:

Viva Medias B's
05-10-2005, 10:46 PM
If we play like this against Baltimore, we're in trouble.

soxfanreggie
05-10-2005, 10:48 PM
How about we bring up McCarthy, throw him or Contreras in the pen and DEMOTE Shingo, at least until he gets his act together. He is killing us in a closer, late tied ballgame role. I think he can get back on track, but we can't keep letting him give away games with home run balls.

A.T. Money
05-10-2005, 10:49 PM
Ouch. :anon:

Talk about understatement!

Man, and I left work early to get home on time so I wouldn't miss a pitch! I shoulda stayed so I wouldn't fall behind. It'll be a daygame, and I'm sure I'll burn time watching on Gameday. LOL

:anon:

Chisox003
05-10-2005, 10:49 PM
:anon: Yikes

Norberto7
05-10-2005, 10:49 PM
If we play like this against Baltimore, we're in trouble.

If they play like this against Birmingham, they're in trouble.

CHISOXFAN13
05-10-2005, 10:50 PM
I'm tired of seeing Cotts and Vizcanio in close games, bring them in when we are up by 10, or down by 10.

Contreras pitched a Contreras game, we still had the lead and we blew it twice, our team should be KILLING the Devil Rays pitching staff, ugh, bad game, I'll get over it, they'll have their work cut out for them this weekend too against BAL-TEE-MO.

I'm trying to figure out what Cotts has done wrong? Sure, he gave up a double to Huff, but he's been lights out as of late.

Contraras pitched like ****. Plain and simple. I guess the quotes about him working faster weren't true at all. Work slow and work behind the hitter and this is what happens. Blowing a three-run lead against TB is inexcusable.

LincolnSquareOz
05-10-2005, 10:50 PM
It's too early to worry. We've been knocked down for a couple of rounds but we'll be right back up on our feet tomorrow.

SouthSide4Life
05-10-2005, 10:50 PM
besides feeling complete anger rite now, i gotta laugh thinking back to Rob Bell's performance

DrCrawdad
05-10-2005, 10:51 PM
That was rough. Ozzie needs to talk to the team..and he NEEDS to get Konerko and Dye in gear.

I backed KW on the signing of Dye, but I'm ready to bail on Dye.

Cowhead418
05-10-2005, 10:51 PM
I hope the Sox go by the midnight rule. Win or loss, celebrate or cry until midnight, then forget it ever happened and be ready for the next game.

Viva Medias B's
05-10-2005, 10:51 PM
When was the last time we had an easy victory? I can't remember.

A.T. Money
05-10-2005, 10:52 PM
I have to admit guys, some of these responses have me cracking up. I feel a lot better about it now.

We'll get em tomorrow boys.

:happybday

Bobbo35
05-10-2005, 10:53 PM
dont worry, we will be alright. I think this was a wake up call to the team. We just need a good outing tommorow from El Duque to get us into the homestand. Confidence has to be up against Baltimore because they are playing very well.

Tough loss though, it was a pillow throwing night.

Go Sox!!!

FarWestChicago
05-10-2005, 10:53 PM
It's too early to worry. We've been knocked down for a couple of rounds but we'll be right back up on our feet tomorrow.All right, who let the sane guy in? I thought this was a nutcase only thread. :?:

JB98
05-10-2005, 10:54 PM
When was the last time we had an easy victory? I can't remember.

May 1st. We beat Detroit 8-0. Four-hitter by JG.
:cool:

A.T. Money
05-10-2005, 10:54 PM
All right, who let the sane guy in? I thought this was a nutcase only thread. :?:

Who are you kidding? It's the nutcase only forum!!!

Cowhead418
05-10-2005, 10:54 PM
I have to admit guys, some of these responses have me cracking up. I feel a lot better about it now.

We'll get em tomorrow boys.

:happybday
I'm feel a little better. I'm just angry I wasted 3+ hours watching that crap when I still have homework to do.

ChiSoxGirl
05-10-2005, 10:54 PM
This is SO the opposite of those "Trifecta" days we were enjoying just a few short days ago. *Sigh!*

While it's true we can't win them all, as a friend pointed out to me in a reply to my very frustrating text message a little while ago, I'd rather we "not win them all" against ANY team other than the D-Rays. :whiner:

Shingo needs to have a seat in that bullpen for a few days and just watch. Overall, the pitching was just plain brutal. And what the hell was up with all the BBs?!

Just gotta shake this one off and hope El Duque doesn't fall victim to the hapless Devil Rays like the rest of our pitching staff has! :angry:

FarWestChicago
05-10-2005, 10:55 PM
Who are you kidding? It's the nutcase only forum!!!Good point. I stand corrected. :D:

MRKARNO
05-10-2005, 10:55 PM
Hurtful? Yes.

A big deal in the grand scheme of things? Probably not.

No one likes to lose 2 games in a row to TB, but the luck cant always be good and we're having a little losing streak right here. Remember all of the posts after the three game losing streak? It turned out that it was in the midst of a period in which the Sox won 16 of 19 games. The key is that they come back tomorrow and try their best to reverse this downward trend.

ElDuque26
05-10-2005, 10:55 PM
everyone keeps saying konerko and dye are off to a slow start, how long do they get to use that excuse for, its startin to get old. I would also like to see willie get some reps, maybe in center and move arow over to right...but hes been money when the chance is his, let him do his thing

Cowhead418
05-10-2005, 10:56 PM
I thought we weren't going to lose the rest of the year. Looks like my dream 155-7 season was just shot to hell that series.

Dub25
05-10-2005, 10:56 PM
OK OK, that's not Shingo. Its Bung Yung Kim in disguise.

Brian26
05-10-2005, 10:57 PM
Is anybody surprised Shingo gave up that homerun?

Nope. I saw that coming a mile away. I knew we were going to lose that game in the 9th.

JB98
05-10-2005, 10:57 PM
Hurtful? Yes.

A big deal in the grand scheme of things? Probably not.

No one likes to lose 2 games in a row to TB, but the luck cant always be good and we're having a little losing streak right here. Remember all of the posts after the three game losing streak? It turned out that it was in the midst of a period in which the Sox won 16 of 19 games. The key is that they come back tomorrow and try their best to reverse this downward trend.

The worst part of two losses in a row to TB is the Cubs fans will be crowing about it tomorrow. The good part is, we're still in first place, and they still suck.
:D:

bayzbol44
05-10-2005, 10:57 PM
Well, if Dye is sucking it up, doesnt it make it easier for the fans and Ozzie to replace him with Thomas and move Carl to the OF?

Dub25
05-10-2005, 10:58 PM
The worst part of two losses in a row to TB is the Cubs fans will be crowing about it tomorrow. The good part is, we're still in first place, and they still suck.
:D:

Who cares they still suck and have more problems than the Sox have.

Cowhead418
05-10-2005, 10:58 PM
The worst part of two losses in a row to TB is the Cubs fans will be crowing about it tomorrow. The good part is, we're still in first place, and they still suck.
:D:
All you have to say is 9.5. That is how many games we are up on them. Plus they have had the easiest schedule in all of baseball and STILL are 4 games below .500.

Dub25
05-10-2005, 10:58 PM
Well, if Dye is sucking it up, doesnt it make it easier for the fans and Ozzie to replace him with Thomas and move Carl to the OF?

That's what I've been thinking.

Brian26
05-10-2005, 10:59 PM
No one likes to lose 2 games in a row to TB

D-Rays actually aren't that bad of a team offensively. They've got some players.

Cowhead418
05-10-2005, 10:59 PM
It's ridiculous how many posts we rack up in a postgame thread the Sox lose compared to when they win.

A.T. Money
05-10-2005, 11:00 PM
Everett in the outfield? (see Cleveland game)

Please....my dad has better wheels in the outfield, and he just had hernia surgery today.

SoxxoS
05-10-2005, 11:00 PM
THESE are the type of games where it pays to have a lineup of years past...b/c they could tee off on mediocre pitching.

Then again, when we score 6 ****ing runs, we better win the ****ing game.

SouthSide4Life
05-10-2005, 11:00 PM
Well, if Dye is sucking it up, doesnt it make it easier for the fans and Ozzie to replace him with Thomas and move Carl to the OF?are you brain dead?:?:

Norberto7
05-10-2005, 11:01 PM
everyone keeps saying konerko and dye are off to a slow start, how long do they get to use that excuse for, its startin to get old.

This is true. In that 9th inning, with Konerko - Rowand - Dye due up, did anyone feel (realistically) hopefully about the Sox' chance that inning? Maybe if Rowand gets a hit between the two automatics, then they can start something up, but, well, we saw how it went.

Where have you gone, Paul Konerko?

Dub25
05-10-2005, 11:01 PM
It's ridiculous how many posts we rack up in a postgame thread the Sox lose compared to when they win.

I don't know about the others but I do it so I feel better about knowing I'm not the only one pissed off

Hokiesox
05-10-2005, 11:01 PM
And to add insult to injury the Twins rally late to beat the O's 6-4 in 10 innings...:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

Because the ump BLEW a crucial call when the O's had bases loaded, no outs. Luis Matos squared around to bunt, ball hits his hand (x-rays showed he has a broken hand!!). Ump called foul ball. Pinch hitter pops the bunt straight to the pitcher who doubles the lead runner off third. 2 outs, and the Twins get out of the inning. Seems VERY eerily reminiscent of Crede's problems in Oakland.

TheOldRoman
05-10-2005, 11:02 PM
THESE are the type of games where it pays to have a lineup of years past...b/c they could tee off on mediocre pitching.

Then again, when we score 6 ****ing runs, we better win the ****ing game.
Are you kidding me? Did you forget all the near shutouts thrown at the Sox by AA call-ups? They never hit mediocre pitching. The Sox continue to beat good teams and play down to bad teams. That needs to change fast.

chisoxmike
05-10-2005, 11:02 PM
THESE are the type of games where it pays to have a lineup of years past...b/c they could tee off on mediocre pitching.

Then again, when we score 6 ****ing runs, we better win the ****ing game.

Both good points. I'm not saying anything about the team we have now, I love it, but imagine our lineup last year with Thomas and Maggs, and our pitching staff and bullpen of this year.

Viva Medias B's
05-10-2005, 11:02 PM
D-Rays actually aren't that bad of a team offensively. They've got some players.

They did take three-of-four from the Yankees, you know.

SouthSide4Life
05-10-2005, 11:05 PM
D-Rays actually aren't that bad of a team offensively. They've got some players.do you consider 2nd in the AL in batting not that bad offensivly?

ma-gaga
05-10-2005, 11:07 PM
Because the ump BLEW a crucial call when the O's had bases loaded, no outs. Luis Matos squared around to bunt, ball hits his hand (x-rays showed he has a broken hand!!). Ump called foul ball. Pinch hitter pops the bunt straight to the pitcher who doubles the lead runner off third. 2 outs, and the Twins get out of the inning. Seems VERY eerily reminiscent of Crede's problems in Oakland.

That WAS a huge play (the bases WEREN'T loaded though; first and second only, no outs). I don't think the ump blew it though. He squared to bunt and didn't let go of the bat when it hit him. Clearly a foul ball.

And he didn't 'double him up' at third. It was a ground ball (bunt) force out. That was the first out of the inning. Then two shallow pop-up's got Crain out of a jam.

The O's didn't deliver, or Crain pitched out of a jam. Yeah, the HBP/foul really hurt the O's, but the ump made the right call.

CubsfansareDRUNK
05-10-2005, 11:09 PM
Nothing good happened in baseball today

s.dedalus
05-10-2005, 11:09 PM
Because the ump BLEW a crucial call when the O's had bases loaded, no outs. Luis Matos squared around to bunt, ball hits his hand (x-rays showed he has a broken hand!!). Ump called foul ball. Pinch hitter pops the bunt straight to the pitcher who doubles the lead runner off third. 2 outs, and the Twins get out of the inning. Seems VERY eerily reminiscent of Crede's problems in Oakland.

If he commits to the bunt, I believe that is the correct call. MLB rules lists one of the definitions of "strike" as "e) Touches the batter as he strikes at it;"

Brian26
05-10-2005, 11:09 PM
THESE are the type of games where it pays to have a lineup of years past...b/c they could tee off on mediocre pitching.

Are you kidding me? Our 2003 or 2004 lineup would have been no-hit tonight by this clown.

Jjav829
05-10-2005, 11:11 PM
THESE are the type of games where it pays to have a lineup of years past...b/c they could tee off on mediocre pitching.

Then again, when we score 6 ****ing runs, we better win the ****ing game.

That's a great point! A great pitching staff and a great offense! Brilliant! Why didn't Kenny think of that?!?!

Sorry, I just found that funny. The whole point was that we've changed from a team that would win these games to a team that will lose these games. We need to pitch well to win. There's no doubt about that. You can look back over the past weeks and find games where we would have lost last year because of our lack of pitching. It works both ways.

PaleHoseGeorge
05-10-2005, 11:11 PM
Are you kidding me? Our 2003 or 2004 lineup would have been no-hit tonight by this clown.

:hawk
"I luv it when you analyze."

:wink:

Brian26
05-10-2005, 11:11 PM
do you consider 2nd in the AL in batting not that bad offensivly?

Through 33 games for a perennial last-place team, yeah. They won't end the season 2nd in the league in batting, but they're much improved.

JB98
05-10-2005, 11:11 PM
Are you kidding me? Our 2003 or 2004 lineup would have been no-hit tonight by this clown.

Don't know about that. We've always had good success against Hendrickson.

Jjav829
05-10-2005, 11:13 PM
Both good points. I'm not saying anything about the team we have now, I love it, but imagine our lineup last year with Thomas and Maggs, and our pitching staff and bullpen of this year.

The whole point is that we couldn't afford that! You don't think KW would have loved to keep Maggs and Lee and also build a great pitching staff? That wasn't possible though.

hose
05-10-2005, 11:13 PM
I backed KW on the signing of Dye, but I'm ready to bail on Dye.

I'm pretty close to bailing on Dye also. If Konerko doesn't get it going this team has some serious problems lurking ahead.

You can't have automatic outs in the line up and expect to win, last years team proved that.

If Dye doesn't start contributing by the middle of June I would like to see Anderson get a chance. I read at other boards where they thought Dye's better days were behind him even last year at Oakland.

All I could think of was Jeff Blauser for the cubs and Edgar Bennett for the Bears. Both these guys had "careers" when playing against the cubs and Bears and were signed as free agents and they sucked when they got to Chicago. Dye was a Sox killer and hasn't really lived up to the expectations so far playing on the south side.

PaleHoseGeorge
05-10-2005, 11:14 PM
....You can look back over the past weeks and find games where we would have lost last year because of our lack of pitching. It works both ways.

Just think Jason Grilli, Scott Schoenweis, and Danny Wright starting 2 of every 5 games.

Just think Ozzie calling to the 'pen for Mike Jackson.

Scary isn't it?
:o:

We Sox Fans never had it so good.
:cool:

Jjav829
05-10-2005, 11:15 PM
This is a crappy loss. I'm so glad the league hasn't caught up to Shingo yet.

Hey, I was going to say before the series that Tampa could have all 3 games if they just let us take Huff with when we leave. I stand by that. Give us Huff and you can have tomorrow's game, too! It's a great deal. :D:

Brian26
05-10-2005, 11:15 PM
I'm pretty close to bailing on Dye also. If Konerko doesn't get it going this team has some serious problems lurking ahead.

Yeah, but they're both "hitting the ball hard" right now.

batmanZoSo
05-10-2005, 11:16 PM
I've been saying this for a while, sooner or later the starting 5 isn't going to be pitching with that combine 3.00 ERA, the hitting has to start to come thorugh more often with RISP, they've been leaving key runs on base.

That's true but tonight it was the bullpen. They just did a putrid job. Everyone was 2-0, 3-0, I mean come on. The hitters put 6 up on the board, you should always win when you score 6. Especially in Tampa.

This could've been like the third game we lost in the 9th inning in the last week. This bullpen is very shaky right now. Get used to what you saw from Shingo tonight. You know we're lucky that's only the second time he's cost us a game in the 9th. He still has good stuff, but his control is ****. We're gonna need a closer.

At least we keep extending our record. :rolleyes:

Brian26
05-10-2005, 11:17 PM
We Sox Fans never had it so good.
:cool:

Plus, our stadium and uniforms kick the **** out of Tampa's. Didn't you almost feel sorry for those fans on tv tonight? That's such a minor league outfit down there.

PaleHoseGeorge
05-10-2005, 11:17 PM
On a positive note, I'm sure tomorrow's Cubune will give the Sox the entire front page above the fold for this one.

:redface:

Lip Man 1
05-10-2005, 11:18 PM
Chris Singleton is killing the Sox. He hasn't played this well since 2000. In regards to 'games blown' and 'games rallied,' here are the numbers:

Games the Sox rallied to win (meaning games where the Sox were trailing in the 7th inning or later):

4/6 Cleveland (9th)
4/21 at Detroit (7th)
4/24 at Kansas City (8th)
4/30 Detroit (7th)
5/3 Kansas City (8th)
5/5 Kansas City (8th)
5/6 at Toronto (7th)

Games the Sox blew (meaning games where the Sox were leading in the 7th inning or later and lost):

4/7 Cleveland (9th)
4/26 at Oakland (7th)
5/10 at Tampa Bay (7th)

Overall a 7-3 ratio is very good.

Just the same they need to win tomorrow or the 'pundits' will be revving up their 'here it comes' predictions. I'd rather not have to see and read that.

Lip

Brian26
05-10-2005, 11:19 PM
This could've been like the third game we lost in the 9th inning in the last week. This bullpen is very shaky right now.

Marte was looking for a reason to blow that game on Sunday in Toronto, and those walks tonight were heinous. Sometimes he looks unhittable, and other times, he's all over the place.

batmanZoSo
05-10-2005, 11:20 PM
Plus, our stadium and uniforms kick the **** out of Tampa's. Didn't you almost feel sorry for those fans on tv tonight? That's such a minor league outfit down there.

I would...if I had even the faintest impression that they gived a rat's ***.

Get that team out of there. It's so depressing, and we suck there to boot.

PaleHoseGeorge
05-10-2005, 11:21 PM
You know how I know Chris Singleton sucks? We got Willie Harris for him.

:roflmao:

:flameswing:
"Bastard."

hose
05-10-2005, 11:21 PM
The good news will be turning on the 5:00 news tomorrow after work and watching the high lights of a White Sox Winner.

batmanZoSo
05-10-2005, 11:23 PM
You know how I know Chris Singleton sucks? We got Willie Harris for him.

:roflmao:

:flameswing:
"Bastard."

Chris Singleton may suck but we still got hosed in that trade.

Cowch44
05-10-2005, 11:36 PM
You know how I know Chris Singleton sucks? We got Willie Harris for him.

:roflmao:

:flameswing:
"Bastard."

He's beginning to remind me of what Cameron does to the Sox, just maybe not as bad.:redneck

infohawk
05-10-2005, 11:36 PM
Guys, don't panic. We're going to lose some games. The good news is that if we win tommorrow, the Sox will still be on a "two out of three" clip thanks to the sweep in Toronto. This is where those sweeps come in handy.

The team was a little flat on Monday, and the pitching was a bit on the wild side tonight. It will all get straightened out.

seanpmurphy
05-10-2005, 11:44 PM
I thought we weren't going to lose the rest of the year. Looks like my dream 155-7 season was just shot to hell that series.3

153-9 is still rather good I'd say :D:

mrwaffle
05-10-2005, 11:44 PM
.... Dye was a Sox killer and hasn't really lived up to the expectations so far playing on the south side.

Well it appears as though Dye is still the Sox killer he has always been.

JGarlandrules20
05-10-2005, 11:46 PM
That squeeze bunt was amazing. Great execution on Tadahitos part.
It's sad it ended up not mattering.:(:

Let's get them tomorrow! I'm really not a fan of these random patterns the sox fall into. aka losing the third game of the series. Winning 8, losing three..

Viva Medias B's
05-10-2005, 11:46 PM
And we can now officially call it a 100% baseball day of crap as the Cardinals fall 9-8 to the Los Angeles Dodgers of Los Angeles. Not one g**damn thing went right tonight!

:angry: X 10

pudge
05-11-2005, 12:05 AM
Well it appears as though Dye is still the Sox killer he has always been.

Ha! POTW!

DC Sox Fan
05-11-2005, 12:08 AM
not good. not good at all.

I'm seriously worried, folks.

Here's us walking out of Tampon Bay:
http://www.grantwood-redcross.org/images/disasterservices.jpg

Epark84
05-11-2005, 12:09 AM
Time to send shingo back to Japan. He had a decent run. Im tired of watching him pitch

Norberto7
05-11-2005, 12:10 AM
Well it appears as though Dye is still the Sox killer he has always been.

Touche.

CLR01
05-11-2005, 12:12 AM
You know how I know Chris Singleton sucks? We got Willie Harris for him.

:roflmao:

:flameswing:
"Bastard."



:whatever:
:tsk:



He'd be one of the best hitters on the sox right now. :rolleyes:


:D: :gulp:

NSSoxFan
05-11-2005, 12:17 AM
Quick turnaround tomorrow. We can be feeling 100% better just 15 hours from now.

WOO-SAAAA

DC Sox Fan
05-11-2005, 12:20 AM
Quick turnaround tomorrow. We can be feeling 100% better just 15 hours from now.

WOO-SAAAA

Or a hell of a lot worse, after getting swept by the D-Rays and the Oreos. We are in danger of a serious slide. Don't want to sound homefishy. But things aren't looking great right now. Our bats have finally come alive, but our pitching is "coming back down to earth." That's not the recipe for success over the next few days. I'm not all doom and gloom over this, but if we don't watch ourselves, we could be in some deep doodoo really quickly.

NSSoxFan
05-11-2005, 12:23 AM
Or a hell of a lot worse, after getting swept by the D-Rays and the Oreos. We are in danger of a serious slide. Don't want to sound homefishy. But things aren't looking great right now. Our bats have finally come alive, but our pitching is "coming back down to earth." That's not the recipe for success over the next few days. I'm not all doom and gloom over this, but if we don't watch ourselves, we could be in some deep doodoo really quickly.

Yea, do me a favor and go look at the post-game threads from after 4/26, 4/27, and 4/29.



Good.

TomParrish79
05-11-2005, 12:24 AM
You know what Peter Le Fleur would say to all this negativity....

"I have decided that if you dont set any goals for yourself, then you can never be disappointed, so stop worrying fellas, it will all work itself out in the end."

DC Sox Fan
05-11-2005, 12:32 AM
Yea, do me a favor and go look at the post-game threads from after 4/26, 4/27, and 4/29.



Good.

NS you're right on for keeping me in check. I am sorry to be http://www.radzone.org/jam/images/downer.jpgin all this. Maybe I was just coming here for some uplifting after buying too much into the national "the sox will come crashing back down to earth" hype. I, like many didn't get too upset after last night's lost. But I'm furious after this one. Maybe it's just that I haven't had the chance to get this pissed in so long :cool:

NSSoxFan
05-11-2005, 12:35 AM
NS you're right on for keeping me in check. I am sorry to be http://www.radzone.org/jam/images/downer.jpgin all this. Maybe I was just coming here for some uplifting after buying too much into the national "the sox will come crashing back down to earth" hype. I, like many didn't get too upset after last night's lost. But I'm furious after this one. Maybe it's just that I haven't had the chance to get this pissed in so long :cool:

Hey man, I hear you. It's never fun to accept a loss, but baseball is the only major sport where you should expect 60 losses. I have all the confidence that we'll be fine in the long run, starting with a W tomorrow.

joe_tansey2004
05-11-2005, 12:35 AM
I say get rid of Dumbass 'O' and Dingo. Hermanson is the truest closer we have. Marte is a setup and so is Shingo.

balke
05-11-2005, 12:41 AM
I say get rid of Dumbass 'O' and Dingo. Hermanson is the truest closer we have. Marte is a setup and so is Shingo.

I can't wait to hear what you people say when Hermanson blows a save opportunity or two. There's nothing wrong with Marte at all, that's crazy.

Shingo on the other hand...

WhiteSox16K
05-11-2005, 12:43 AM
Tonight and two weeks ago tonight were definitely ugly games. But, if they only have 1 ugly game every 2 weeks and average only 3 losses between those games I like our chances. Those games still suck really badly though!

elrod
05-11-2005, 12:44 AM
I'm more bothered by Vizcaino than Shingo. His ERA shot throught the roof because of the Cleveland disaster, which wasn't his fault. But he is to blame for letting the Devil Rays back into this game when the Sox were up 6-4. I think he is just a middle reliever at this point. Politte should be the man in tight, late game situations.

TaylorStSox
05-11-2005, 01:02 AM
I love this forum. Cheers everyone. :gulp::gulp::gulp:

:prozac:chickenlittle

Lip Man 1
05-11-2005, 01:03 AM
It will be very interesting to see what happens Wednesday afternoon. Brazelton starts for the Rays...he's 1-6...his ERA is 6.06...he is EXACTLY the type of mediocre bum that was tying the Sox up in knots the past two years.

We'll see....let's get one and shut the massing critics up.

Lip

balke
05-11-2005, 01:12 AM
It will be very interesting to see what happens Wednesday afternoon. Brazelton starts for the Rays...he's 1-6...his ERA is 6.06...he is EXACTLY the type of mediocre bum that was tying the Sox up in knots the past two years.

We'll see....let's get one and shut the massing critics up.

Lip

Be prepared to fight off the brooms at Tampa. There might be 9,000 that show up for that... /sarc

SoxSpeed22
05-11-2005, 01:30 AM
9 walks, period

brewcrew/chisox
05-11-2005, 01:32 AM
The official film of this thread

here you go people (http://disney.go.com/disneypictures/chickenlittle/)

SoxSpeed22
05-11-2005, 01:45 AM
The official film of this thread

here you go people (http://disney.go.com/disneypictures/chickenlittle/)In about 3 seconds I am going to scream like a little girl!
:roflmao:

SSN721
05-11-2005, 08:07 AM
Wow, that game just made me want to throw up at the end. Hopefully two losses in a row against the Drays is enough to kick this team in the ass and get them back on track. I love SHingo but I was 95% sure it was a loss when he came in. It has been proven agains and again that he can perform well, but to me it seems only with a fresh frame in the ninth with a 1-2 run lead does he really seem to pitch at his best. He cant hold a tie to save his life and I never can remember a time when he has. Still not sure why you dont use Hermes in that spot. Oh well, it sucks but 24-9. Lets get one or if we get swept lets at least smack around the O's this coming weekend and get back on track.

mccoydp
05-11-2005, 08:33 AM
I realize Ozzie's need to let his pitchers take lumps and continue on (to build confidence), like Vizcaino and Shingo for example, but I also wonder how long his charity will last. Maybe Shingo needs to go to Charlotte for a while to get his pitching back on track. He was great last year, but I am not surprised that hitters have started to figure him out. As far as Konerko goes, his start definitely hasn't been promising, and I personally think he's looking too tentative at the plate.
I don't think the sky is falling; every team loses games, and the Sox can't be expected to maintain a .750 winning percentage all season. Heck, even a 100 win season yields a .617 winning percentage. But I think there are some key points of concern (some pitchers, offense & OBP in the 4-5-6 slots) that need to be addressed.
Dustin Hermanson needs to be the closer, for now. Shingo needs a rest.

cubsuck
05-11-2005, 09:12 AM
Dye is playing horrible and should be sat for a few games to get his head straight!


Come on!

Let's go guys...

wsbaseball9
05-11-2005, 09:12 AM
wow im not worried last time we lost a series we went on an 8 game winning streak and the flubs went on a 7 game losing streak...during the regular season, i'll take that

DaveIsHere
05-11-2005, 09:34 AM
Wow, we are only 8-2 over the past 10 games, how awful is that???Shingo didnt lose it for us, the 3 million walks is what killed us, we lost 2 leads, offense did their job the pitching didnt, time to get them tomorrow

samram
05-11-2005, 09:35 AM
Maybe Shingo needs to go to Charlotte for a while to get his pitching back on track.

First of all, he's 35 and has years of experience, so a minor-league stint isn't going to do him any good. Secondly, no one comes to Charlotte to gain confidence in their pitching ability. Knights Stadium makes the Cell look like the Polo Grounds. I like Shingo, but he's the type of guy who has to be on with both location and velocity to be successful. If he isn't, it's batting practice. I still think he'll have a good year.

Just remember, this year, with five competent starters, this team won't have a lot of long losing streaks, and they've built up a nice record that allows little "slides" (if you consider two games a slide) to not screw them over too badly.

Jurr
05-11-2005, 09:35 AM
After the Detroit loss at home (the third in a row), everybody got all bent out of shape about the team...the rotation sucked, Buehrle got smacked around, errors, and bad hitting were killing the Sox....they may be falling back to earth. A couple of days (and a couple of wins) later, everybody was talking about World Series rings again. Calm down!

It's two games in a row. That's it. El Duque is a stopper, and he'll get things righted again. If not, then we will see Garland, Buehrle, and Garcia against the Orioles, and I like my chances with those guys.

There's no need to worry. Every team loses games.

Baby Fisk
05-11-2005, 09:46 AM
Who is this donkey named Vizcaino? He and Konerko split the Pissing-Me-Off Award last night. :angry:

tstrike2000
05-11-2005, 10:01 AM
Yes, the jury is still out on Vizcaino and how much longer Konerko will remain in this slump. It was an all around loss though with no one pitching well. Contreras hasn't been able to keep his control in check but everyone had a problem with walks. The offense was enough, but the relievers won't give up this many walks normally outside of Vizcaino.

mikehuff
05-11-2005, 10:09 AM
Just as we look at every win as a team effort, we should do the same with a loss. This was an all around bad game last night. Only Widger, Crede and Uribe hit well. All of the pitching sucked. Way too many walks.

- Podsednik (0-4) - you have to do better than that as a leadoff hitter
- Iguchi (0-3, walk) - bad night, he's been consistent this year
- Everett (1-5) - slumping lately
- Konerko (0-2, 3 walks) - yes walks are good, but you're the cleanup hitter and still hitting .200
- Rowand (1-5) - batting .243 now. Bad
- Dye (0-4) - batting .194 now. Absolutely unacceptable. No more. It's Timo's turn
- Uribe (3-4) - up to .297. Hit the ball REAL hard. Looked great.
- Widger (2-4) - batting .342. Big hits. Great backup player
- Crede (2-3) - batting .292 now. This is Joe Crede right?
- Contreras (5 walks) - ridiculous
- Cotts (0 walks, 1 inning, 1 ER) - ok I guess
- Vizcaino - (2 walks, 3 Ks) - I want no walks
- Marte - (2 walks) - again ridiculous for a reliever
- Shingo - (HR) - not all your fault, but this has to end

BigEdWalsh
05-11-2005, 10:11 AM
Wow, we are only 8-2 over the past 10 games, how awful is that???Shingo didnt lose it for us, the 3 million walks is what killed us, we lost 2 leads, offense did their job the pitching didnt, time to get them tomorrow

Yep. :gulp: I was really :angry: that we blew a couple of leads. Enough of that!

I will be pretty darn disappointed if we can't beat a bum like Brazelton today. Good game for Bats Gone Wild!

GO WHITE SOX!!! :supernana:

Palehose13
05-11-2005, 10:19 AM
After the Detroit loss at home (the third in a row), everybody got all bent out of shape about the team...the rotation sucked, Buehrle got smacked around, errors, and bad hitting were killing the Sox....they may be falling back to earth. A couple of days (and a couple of wins) later, everybody was talking about World Series rings again. Calm down!

It's two games in a row. That's it. El Duque is a stopper, and he'll get things righted again. If not, then we will see Garland, Buehrle, and Garcia against the Orioles, and I like my chances with those guys.

There's no need to worry. Every team loses games.

It about time someone with some common sense posted on this thread. Imagine how people are going to react IF we lose a tenth game!

C'mon guys...this is only the seond series ALL SEASON that the Sox have lost.

Captian Ron
05-11-2005, 10:20 AM
All I got to say is KONERKO TRADEBAIT!!!!!:angry:

Palehose13
05-11-2005, 10:22 AM
All I got to say is KONERKO TRADEBAIT!!!!!:angry:

Ummmm...I don't engage in trading, but isn't it "Buy low, Sell high"? At this point, Konerko is back to "bag of balls" worth.

mccoydp
05-11-2005, 10:24 AM
...First of all, he's 35 and has years of experience, so a minor-league stint isn't going to do him any good.

Let me clarify: AAA would be a good place for him to play with his pitching in a little less stressful environment. Let's face it, team W-L doesn't matter much in the minors; it's all about getting guys prepped to make it to their parent organization. I realize some of the players and fans think otherwise, though.

Agreed he doesn't have anything to prove at that level; same goes to Jason Giambi, who is rumored to be shipped down to AAA too, and he was the 2000 season MVP.

Shingo will survive this season with the Sox, although with a little less of the "wow" buzz from last year.

Hangar18
05-11-2005, 10:42 AM
What I find most disturbing about these 2 losses, was these were WINNABLE
games. Sure, all games are winnable, but lets admit it, we have been getting away with some ugly wins. Were WALKING way way too many people,
and were simply not a good hitting team (.258 as of sunday? thats horrible)
and the margin of error for our pitchers is Razor-Thin. Freddy Garcia didnt have a great game, but was only touched for 4 runs, and that shouldve been enough to win. But this offense simply isnt geared for putting up big numbers
in quick fashion. Right now, that is our most glaring weakness. Konerko and Dye are hurting us, Dye mostly. If theyre both in slumps, we cannot have them both in the same lineup. The middle of the lineup is turning into a glaring hole ............ Can someone tell me WHY was Shingo brought into a TIE-GAME?????? Didnt we already establish that he isnt:
1: a 2 inning pitcher
2: Cant come into a tie game

nasox
05-11-2005, 11:01 AM
It about time someone with some common sense posted on this thread. Imagine how people are going to react IF we lose a tenth game!

C'mon guys...this is only the seond series ALL SEASON that the Sox have lost.

This is WSI. People don't post here with common sense.
























At least in the Postgame Threads

pythons007
05-11-2005, 11:04 AM
I'm sorry guys, its only 2 games. I understand that it was to Tampa Bay but like so many of you have said on here, this is why you PLAY THE GAMES. It does suck that Shingo gave up that homer and I do agree that Hermy needs to be our closer, but is there anyone on here that is actually an optomist?? We are still in first, and have won 8 of our last 10. Our team just needs to regroup and win the last game in Tampa and come home for a big series against Baltimore. So here is to starting another winning streak!

Palehose13
05-11-2005, 11:08 AM
And we can now officially call it a 100% baseball day of crap as the Cardinals fall 9-8 to the Los Angeles Dodgers of Los Angeles. Not one g**damn thing went right tonight!

:angry: X 10

I disagree. The Brewers won. :smile:

downstairs
05-11-2005, 11:42 AM
I'm sorry guys, its only 2 games. I understand that it was to Tampa Bay but like so many of you have said on here, this is why you PLAY THE GAMES. It does suck that Shingo gave up that homer and I do agree that Hermy needs to be our closer, but is there anyone on here that is actually an optomist?? We are still in first, and have won 8 of our last 10. Our team just needs to regroup and win the last game in Tampa and come home for a big series against Baltimore. So here is to starting another winning streak!

Well, sure... I'm optimistic, but to me this was a little more than "just two games."

1. It was friggin Tampa Bay.

2. Our record is irrelevant. What matters is how far we are from Minnesota. It was the same story as last year, we get as far as 4-5 games ahead, and we then go on matching wins and losses with MN, until they get hot, and then *poof*

3. All the stats show we *shouldn't* have this good of a record. I'm as happy as anyone else that we do, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't be concerned. This year is going to be a dogfight. It just will. We're not the 84 Tigers, 90 Reds, etc.

TommyJohn
05-11-2005, 12:00 PM
It about time someone with some common sense posted on this thread. Imagine how people are going to react IF we lose a tenth game!

C'mon guys...this is only the seond series ALL SEASON that the Sox have lost.

I can relate to the Chicken Little crowd, I must admit. Every time the team
hits a one game losing streak I start to think "this is it. This is the one that's
going to expose them. They're going to start to....blah blah blah etc." You
know the drill. I guess I remember too many past seasons. So for now I'll
cross my fingers and


:prozac

*gulp* *gulp* *gulp* *gulp* *gulp* *gulp*..............

mdep524
05-11-2005, 12:03 PM
Ummmm...I don't engage in trading, but isn't it "Buy low, Sell high"? At this point, Konerko is back to "bag of balls" worth. I would guess Konerko's trade value is still relatively high. Not post-2004 high, but not post-2003 low either. This would actually be the best time to trade him, because there is that tantalizing prospect to another team that he can turn it around and still have a great 2005. If Paulie continues to "fizzle" (to use Cubune headline terminology) through July, he will be worth less than Joe Borchard.

Palehose13
05-11-2005, 12:12 PM
Well, sure... I'm optimistic, but to me this was a little more than "just two games."


2. Our record is irrelevant. What matters is how far we are from Minnesota. It was the same story as last year, we get as far as 4-5 games ahead, and we then go on matching wins and losses with MN, until they get hot, and then *poof*



True, to an extent...there is the Wild Card.

LVSoxFan
05-11-2005, 12:15 PM
Hopefully I can provide a ray of light here for some, for what it's worth.

The thing to keep in mind is: none of this matters. As it's been said: you can lose a season at the beginning, but you can't win one. Or something like that. Take the fantastic start as gravy--none of this means ____ until around the All Star break. I would rather see us peak, stumble and plateau before July and then go on a streak after that, then do what we did--remember, last year?--which was come out of the gates stomping everybody and then collapse when Tori Hunter came along. Marathon, guys, not a sprint. Sorry for the cliche, but it's true. The Yanks and Red Sox aren't even near us record-wise, but do you have any doubt you'll be seeing them in September?

Anyway, a couple of things about last night:

-Contreras is pissing me off. Not because he sucks, but because he varies from brilliant to benchwarmer. I hate the inconsistency--it drives me nuts.

-Okay, now I'm officially worried about Shingo. Although granted: it's still really early.

-Vizcaino was dogging it last night. Painful. Not seeing the payoff on him yet.

-Dye I'm willing to give until the end of May to pick it up. Then I say: put in Timo Perez.

-Let's not forget the awesome highlight though: a suicide squeeze bunt! That was GREAT!

-And the lowlight: somebody here yesterday posted what I thought was the best observation about the Sox' offense: they push themselves into a lead, and then they go on a coffee break.

I remember somebody here at the beginning of the season was bitching about the lack of killer instinct, to much disapproval. I think he's right. All these one-run games? We're not burying them like we should. Enough of the squeakers. We need to start putting fear in people instead of waiting for them to beat themselves (hello, KC last Thursday!).

Once we got up 6-4, I was psyched. I thought we'd start ringing up the hits and the pitching would shut them down. People on our team look like they're sleepwalking, for God's sake! We're not going to win any division, pennant or World Series this way.

IMHO.

God, that sucked.

Hangar18
05-11-2005, 12:24 PM
The only thing that is tempering my enthusiasm with this great start
so far of 24-9 (we should be 26-7, thanks to Wendelstedt & Froemming)
is that the Minnesota Twins arent going away. They swept the Devil Rays
very handily just this past weekend, and the SOX get in there and are
having the hardest time. Doesnt bode well for us. The Twinks arent
going away. We dont have a margin for error with the pitching.
Marte and Shingo are too ON and OFF. And we cant hit.

Palehose13
05-11-2005, 12:26 PM
The only thing that is tempering my enthusiasm with this great start
so far of 24-9 (we should be 26-7, thanks to Wendelstedt & Froemming)
is that the Minnesota Twins arent going away. They swept the Devil Rays
very handily just this past weekend, and the SOX get in there and are
having the hardest time. Doesnt bode well for us. The Twinks arent
going away. We dont have a margin for error with the pitching.
Marte and Shingo are too ON and OFF. And we cant hit.

The Twins sweeping the D-Rays gave me a bad feeling about this series.

Flight #24
05-11-2005, 12:26 PM
How quickly things change.I seem to recall a general sentiment that if we were able to muddle along in contention in the first 1-2 months of the season, we'd be in good shape as we a)got Frank back and b)would have the ability to have KW go out and add to the team as needed.

Well, instead, we're in first by 3.5 games, best record in baseball, and while our offense has not been stellar by any means, it's been improving and we're getting guys on base. And while we haven't heard anything in the last few days, it seems likely that around 4 weeks from now, we'll be seeing Frank back.

So let's not go off the deep end. Things are still looking good even though we are currently in a minor rough spell. And for anyone who says "we're 24-8 and only have a 3.5 game lead on the Twins", think about this. The Twins are 20-12, tied for 4th best record in all of baseball....and they're still 3.5 back. And we're expecting the return of our best hitter, arguably the best hitter in the division in the next 4 weeks or so.

Palehose13
05-11-2005, 12:28 PM
How quickly things change.I seem to recall a general sentiment that if we were able to muddle along in contention in the first 1-2 months of the season, we'd be in good shape as we a)got Frank back and b)would have the ability to have KW go out and add to the team as needed.

Well, instead, we're in first by 3.5 games, best record in baseball, and while our offense has not been stellar by any means, it's been improving and we're getting guys on base. And while we haven't heard anything in the last few days, it seems likely that around 4 weeks from now, we'll be seeing Frank back.

So let's not go off the deep end. Things are still looking good even though we are currently in a minor rough spell. And for anyone who says "we're 24-8 and only have a 3.5 game lead on the Twins", think about this. The Twins are 20-12, tied for 4th best record in all of baseball....and they're still 3.5 back. And we're expecting the return of our best hitter, arguably the best hitter in the division in the next 4 weeks or so.

Flight...most people have the "common sens" button turned off. But hey...great points! :cool:

LVSoxFan
05-11-2005, 12:30 PM
Look if we can take 2 out of 3, we're in damn good shape.

It won't happen in this series, but we just swept Toronto. The upcoming four game home stand against the AL-best Baltimore should be a good indicator of where we're at right now.

I'm not going to panic, even if we go on a 10-game losing streak. As July approaches... that's when I'll panic, LOL. And as Hangar 18 mentioned, it sure sucks that Minnesota's always right on our heels.

Only one thing to do about that: kick their ass every series! I'm tired of them. It also seems clear that the Central is between us and them--even this early, everybody else is pretty damn far behind.

PatK
05-11-2005, 12:46 PM
This is a Sox forum right? Not a Cubs forum? Because some of the delusional rants make me think I'm on a Cubs forum.

Either that, or I've somehow managed to transport to Bizarro world.

DaveIsHere
05-11-2005, 12:51 PM
This is a Sox forum right? Not a Cubs forum? Because some of the delusional rants make me think I'm on a Cubs forum.

Either that, or I've somehow managed to transport to Bizarro world.

Most people here I believe are Bi-Polar, no other explanation.

A Sox win...The world is great
A sox loss....we suck, need to make a trade, coming down to earth....blah blah blah

Hell if we lose today I'm not worried...........WE will be fine.

I also try to avoid the loss threads as I usually get irritated

LVSoxFan
05-11-2005, 12:57 PM
I'm hardly writing the season off, but the offense is starting to piss me off a bit.But yes, it is still only May. God help the AL if Konerko, Dye, Rowand and Crede find their swing...

popilius
05-11-2005, 01:02 PM
There are so many people directly blaming Shingo, but in reality, Contreras, Vizcaino, Marte, and Shingo all were pretty bad. Everyone was wild and deteriorated out there on the mound (except for Cotts).

Yes, Shingo gave up the end homer, but 4 pitchers have to take the blame on this one.

:gulp:

Frater Perdurabo
05-11-2005, 01:06 PM
Most people here I believe are Bi-Polar, no other explanation.

A Sox win...The world is great
A sox loss....we suck, need to make a trade, coming down to earth....blah blah blah

Hell if we lose today I'm not worried...........WE will be fine.

I also try to avoid the loss threads as I usually get irritated

They don't need to make a trade because the Sox lost to Tampa Bay. They need to explore all possible options because the middle of the lineup is killing the Sox right now. Konerko and Dye are both hitting .200 or below. That is unacceptable. If the Sox had a 10 game lead right now, they wouldn't have much to worry about. But they are only up by 3.5 games on an experienced Twins team that just won't quit.

LVSoxFan
05-11-2005, 01:08 PM
I agree. The fact is we didn't deserve to win that game.

Shingo was merely the patsy. Playing like we played, I'm surprised they even brought him out, or that he got the first guy out. We sucked.

The pitching was dreadful. Shingo just happened to be last in line, and got the "L", not unlike Viscaino in that dreadful Cleveland game the first week.

I'm still worried about him, but I don't blame him for last night. There is absolutely no reason they should have been able to tie it, except for our own crappy play.

Let's forget about it and move on--Baltimore this weekend! That's gonna be crazy!

balke
05-11-2005, 01:34 PM
I like Ozzie's quote in the paper, that Shingo could've been Hermanson, it could've been anyone. And he's happy at least he got beat on a HR, and didn't walk people. This bullpen needs to throw strikes, no more walks. We still have a good bullpen. It would be nice to add Wagner if by some magical way it is possible, that move would give us the best Relief in the Majors.

Just so people don't freak out too much if we get swept, I just wanted to check up on Tampa's hitting stats. They lead the league in Hits Avg. and SB. Exactly what a team like ours would like to do. Tampa has a lot of speed, and some good young hitting. I'm afraid a slap hit team may be exactly what beats our team.

The weakness of Tampa is, they can't pitch. We have to get more runs off this team, and teams like the Orioles if we expect to win. We have the talent to hit the ball, they just need to wake up. Widger was our big bat yesterday (Although I love the guy right now) that's pretty pathetic. Where's PK, where's DYe? Where's a late inning Dinger by Rowand? We have to hit.