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JDsDirtySox
05-04-2005, 09:35 PM
From Rotoworld:

Dodgers placed third baseman Jose Valentin on the 15-day disabled list with three torn ligaments in his right knee.
He didn't tear the big one, but it looks like he'll be out until the All-Star break. The Dodgers currently have three options at third base in Norihiro Nakamura, Olmedo Saenz and Mike Edwards. Another one, Antonio Perez, figures to come off the DL in a couple of weeks. Expect Nakamura to get the majority of the time for now, mainly because he's the best defensive player in the group. It would be tempting to use Saenz since he's off to such a nice start, but he no longer has the mobility to be even a decent defender at the hot corner. May. 4 - 9:20 pm et

Chicago83
05-04-2005, 10:19 PM
That sucks for LA. Jose was killing the ball. Actually what really sucks is that we won't be able to see him when LA comes to town.

SOX ADDICT '73
05-04-2005, 10:29 PM
Well, at least one power-hitting Sox cast-off will fess up to having a knee injury.

All kidding aside, I feel really bad for Jose. I was glad to see him doing well for the Dodgers (doesn't hurt us any, and Uribe's been very good at SS). I saw him hit a game-winning 2 RBI triple on ESPN a week or so ago, and he seemed really excited to be helping his new team.

GiveMeSox
05-04-2005, 11:24 PM
That sucks for LA. Jose was killing the ball. Actually what really sucks is that we won't be able to see him when LA comes to town.

Killing the ball my ass, he was batting .194 for LA!!

SOX ADDICT '73
05-04-2005, 11:29 PM
Killing the ball my ass, he was batting .194 for LA!!
As Hawk likes to say:

:hawk"Don't tell me what you hit. Tell me when you hit it."

Seemed like we were frequently seeing big hits by Jose on the ESPN highlights throughout April.

dickallen15
05-04-2005, 11:38 PM
As Hawk likes to say:

:hawk"Don't tell me what you hit. Tell me when you hit it."

Seemed like we were frequently seeing big hits by Jose on the ESPN highlights throughout April.

Yes, and just like his last years in Chicago, Jose does all his hitting one week at a time. He's been brutal since the first week or so.

MUsoxfan
05-04-2005, 11:52 PM
Killing the ball my ass, he was batting .194 for LA!!

There were some game-changing hits in that .194

His game remains the same. He'll K until the game's on the line. I've always liked the 'stache

doublem23
05-05-2005, 12:53 AM
Ouch. Get better, Manos!

kittle42
05-05-2005, 03:01 AM
There were some game-changing hits in that .194

Puh-leeze.

MUsoxfan
05-05-2005, 03:54 AM
Puh-leeze.

Look into it. I personally saw him hit a GW triple. I forgot that a guy needs to hit HR's when the game is already decided

fquaye149
05-05-2005, 04:48 AM
Look into it. I personally saw him hit a GW triple. I forgot that a guy needs to hit HR's when the game is already decided


was the same game he made run scoring errors.

net gain?

DumpJerry
05-05-2005, 08:42 AM
The Kenny Kurse strikes again! Good thing he did not badmouth the Sox, then it would be a "hernia."

PatK
05-05-2005, 09:55 AM
Ahh nuts, we were looking forward to seeing him with the Dodgers.

We were going to make a sign about his mustache.

FarWestChicago
05-05-2005, 10:50 PM
was the same game he made run scoring errors.

net gain?Shut the **** up. You Manos haters are assclowns.

fquaye149
05-06-2005, 01:49 AM
Shut the **** up. You Manos haters are assclowns.

i don't hate him at all...I just tire of hearing ex-soxers described as all-stars.

Kip Wells this, Miguel Olivo that, Royce Clayton the other thing

I loved his cub-killing and everything he did to help the Sox the past 4 years. However, I won't pretend that in any year besides 2000 he didn't struggle not striking out.

SABRSox
05-06-2005, 01:54 AM
I was at the game when Valentin injured his knee. The Dodgers looked dead until that inning, and as frustrating as watching Valentin can be at times, he really gave it everything he had on that play, and I remember him doing the same in Chicago. It's sad... Nakamura isn't very good, and is too old to get better. Hope he gets back soon.

MUsoxfan
05-06-2005, 04:06 AM
i don't hate him at all...I just tire of hearing ex-soxers described as all-stars.

Kip Wells this, Miguel Olivo that, Royce Clayton the other thing

I loved his cub-killing and everything he did to help the Sox the past 4 years. However, I won't pretend that in any year besides 2000 he didn't struggle not striking out.


Of course he had strikeout issues, but Cubs games were not the only games he won for us. You CANNOT tell me that you didn't have supreme confidence in Manos when he came up to bat when the game was on the line in the 9th inning. He f'ed up alot, but he won many games for the Sox singlehandedly. Forgive me for having respect for ex-Sox players that gave their all for this team in a classy way. I'm not starting a "Manos for the HOF" thread, I'm just praising him for what he does while not doing other things.

fquaye149
05-06-2005, 05:12 AM
Of course he had strikeout issues, but Cubs games were not the only games he won for us. You CANNOT tell me that you didn't have supreme confidence in Manos when he came up to bat when the game was on the line in the 9th inning. He f'ed up alot, but he won many games for the Sox singlehandedly. Forgive me for having respect for ex-Sox players that gave their all for this team in a classy way. I'm not starting a "Manos for the HOF" thread, I'm just praising him for what he does while not doing other things.

He was clutch at times, and I loved him for it every time he was. He was also unclutch at times as well and I hated him for it every time. It got more extreme in the last year he was here, and what I was trying to point out was that things were appearing that way in LA. The .200 BA, the infinite K's, the make a huge error then scramble to redeem yourself (something we saw a lot last year).

Look, he's a great guy and I wish him all the success in the world, but he had far from turned the corner.

I'm going to end this now because I can definitely see how it looks like I'm hating on him. Believe me, I'm not. I just got really frustrated from watching him play last year.

Fake Chet Lemon
05-06-2005, 09:45 AM
I believe he hurt himself when rounding first base and tripping on his mustache.

PaleHoseGeorge
05-06-2005, 10:07 AM
was the same game he made run scoring errors.

net gain?

Manos' was one of just a handful of gutsy Sox season-long performances that carried the 2000 team to win 95 games and a division championship.

I don't care how much his game degenerated the last three seasons he was here. Delivering a postseason berth for a franchise as pathetic as the White Sox is deserving of 100-times more respect than what you're showing here.

You like losers? **** you.

West is right. You're behaving like an assclown.

Jjav829
05-06-2005, 02:05 PM
He was clutch at times, and I loved him for it every time he was. He was also unclutch at times as well and I hated him for it every time. It got more extreme in the last year he was here, and what I was trying to point out was that things were appearing that way in LA. The .200 BA, the infinite K's, the make a huge error then scramble to redeem yourself (something we saw a lot last year).

Look, he's a great guy and I wish him all the success in the world, but he had far from turned the corner.

I'm going to end this now because I can definitely see how it looks like I'm hating on him. Believe me, I'm not. I just got really frustrated from watching him play last year.

I understand what you are saying. He was such an enigma. He'd go 0-3 with 3 K's in his first 3 ABs and then come up in the 9th and hit a game tying homer. We'd all hate him for the first 8 innings, but then the 9th inning came and everyone loved him. He gave us some good memories, but it was time for him to leave. He's been in a steady decline ever since 2000. Clutch hits or no clutch hits, hitting .216 just doesn't cut it. Valentin had to go and Uribe deserves the job. And you weren't the only one frustrated by him last year. Like I said, he declined in each year since his career year in 2000.

maurice
05-06-2005, 02:19 PM
Thanks for the memories, Jose . . . but
you've been done for several years now:
2000 - .273
2001 - .258
2002 - .249
2003 - .237
2004 - .216
2005 - .194

fquaye149
05-06-2005, 03:10 PM
Manos' was one of just a handful of gutsy Sox season-long performances that carried the 2000 team to win 95 games and a division championship.

I don't care how much his game degenerated the last three seasons he was here. Delivering a postseason berth for a franchise as pathetic as the White Sox is deserving of 100-times more respect than what you're showing here.

You like losers? **** you.

West is right. You're behaving like an assclown.

My apologies.

I really didn't mean disrespect to Jose (because I do have respect for what he has actually done for us) so much as it annoys me to hear his 2004-2005 play described as if it were his 2000 play. I'd take the 2000 Jose over most ss's in the game. Unfortunately, the 2000 Jose is gone.

patbooyah
05-06-2005, 06:00 PM
for the record, and only for the record(cause i love the stache)

but here in LA, over the course of four games...

jose committed two game losing errors
and had two game winning hits.

just an fyi.

please don't be mad at little old me.

PaleHoseGeorge
05-06-2005, 06:24 PM
please don't be mad at little old me.

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I don't think anyone is suggesting Valentin's game was still worthy of keeping in the Sox' everyday line up. I'm glad he found work in LA. It was time to move on.

However some of us have a problem with the silly notion that Valentin wasn't a key ballplayer on the '00 Sox. We feel he deserves respect from Sox Fans who allegedly put a premium on winning.

It was Kenny Williams who ran out and traded for Royce Clayton back in December, 2000 after Manos was re-signed as a free agent. Thus for 2001 we had Valentin playing out of position, Perry on the bench, and Mr. ".231 brown bat with a fielding percentage record that will probably last forever" Clayton ****ing up both the offense and the defense, too.

I guarantee Kenny Williams would be the first to admit he ****ed up trading for Clayton. He even admitted he aquired Clayton for the express purpose of trading him, then got stuck holding the bag.

Valentin gets an undeserved bad rap, starting with his own GM.

fquaye149
05-06-2005, 07:58 PM
Maybe I'm mistaken, but I don't think anyone is suggesting Valentin's game was still worthy of keeping in the Sox' everyday line up. I'm glad he found work in LA. It was time to move on.

However some of us have a problem with the silly notion that Valentin wasn't a key ballplayer on the '00 Sox. We feel he deserves respect from Sox Fans who allegedly put a premium on winning.

It was Kenny Williams who ran out and traded for Royce Clayton back in December, 2000 after Manos was re-signed as a free agent. Thus for 2001 we had Valentin playing out of position, Perry on the bench, and Mr. ".231 brown bat with a fielding percentage record that will probably last forever" Clayton ****ing up both the offense and the defense, too.

I guarantee Kenny Williams would be the first to admit he ****ed up trading for Clayton. He even admitted he aquired Clayton for the express purpose of trading him, then got stuck holding the bag.

Valentin gets an undeserved bad rap, starting with his own GM.


you're absolutely right. manos belongs at ss...putting him at 3b is just testament to royce's ineptitude. If the choice were the defensive specialist he claims himself to be, he'd have volunteered for the challenge. Defensively, I'll take manos at ss over royce at ss and even with the errors manos at 3b over royce at 3b.

And honestly, I want to say once again, I am not trying to take away from what Jose did for us in 2000. That was never my intention at all. I don't even want to take away from Jose...it's just I'm sick of the homer sox fan overrating our own ex players syndrome ala kelly wunsch, kip wells, tony graffanino, etc.

FarWestChicago
05-06-2005, 10:10 PM
And honestly, I want to say once again, I am not trying to take away from what Jose did for us in 2000. That was never my intention at all. I don't even want to take away from Jose...it's just I'm sick of the homer sox fan overrating our own ex players syndrome ala kelly wunsch, kip wells, tony graffanino, etc.I don't want Manos on the Sox anymore. His time is past. He just deserves respect for playing hard all the time, huge contributions in 2000, blowing kisses in the Urinal and the 'stache. Wanting to see Manos do well now is not in the same class as the "Jeremy Reed/Miguel Olivo are Lead Pipe Lock Hall of Famers and hey, my A's kicked KW's ass 2 out of 3!!" crowd at all. The latter is totally reprehensible.

fquaye149
05-06-2005, 10:13 PM
I don't want Manos on the Sox anymore. His time is past. He just deserves respect for playing hard all the time, huge contributions in 2000, blowing kisses in the Urinal and the 'stache. Wanting to see Manos do well now is not in the same class as the "Jeremy Reed/Miguel Olivo are Lead Pipe Lock Hall of Famers and hey, my A's kicked KW's ass 2 out of 3!!" crowd at all. The latter is totally reprehensible.

Yeah definitely. I can totally see that. And I can understand why you would be frustrated at my comments. I apologize for putting them in such a way that could be seen as denigrating a man who has done more for this organization than most people in this decade.

FarWestChicago
05-06-2005, 10:17 PM
Yeah definitely. I can totally see that. And I can understand why you would be frustrated at my comments. I apologize for putting them in such a way that could be seen as denigrating a man who has done more for this organization than most people in this decade.Well, I was probably a little harsh. At least we're on the same page now. :cool:

SOXSINCE'70
05-07-2005, 11:49 AM
There were some game-changing hits in that .194


Yes, but were there many 3-2 curves in the dirt swung on and missed??:roflmao: