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chisoxfanatic
04-26-2005, 06:27 PM
This was a question posed on PTI this afternoon. Kornheiser, of course, with his east coast bias, stated that it's better to have a good offense, so Baltimore's start is more legit. Thankfully Wilbon, the Chicago guy he is, starts canning him talking about how dominant our pitching (highlighting Buehrle, Garland, and Garcia) and timely or hitting has been. It's great that Wilbon usually wins out, because he's the one on that show with a CLUE!

MRKARNO
04-26-2005, 06:35 PM
See? Keep winning and eventually the national media will be forced to notice and make mention of it.

batmanZoSo
04-26-2005, 06:36 PM
This was a question posed on PTI this afternoon. Kornheiser, of course, with his east coast bias, stated that it's better to have a good offense, so Baltimore's start is more legit. Thankfully Wilbon, the Chicago guy he is, starts canning him talking about how dominant our pitching (highlighting Buehrle, Garland, and Garcia) and timely or hitting has been. It's great that Wilbon usually wins out, because he's the one on that show with a CLUE!

It's better to have a good offense? Gimme a @#$%*& break. I swear, whatever we have, it's never the right thing. In 2000, we didn't have the pitching. Our pitching staff puts Baltimore's to shame.

I don't care that he picked the other team. I have a serious problem with his logic, though.

Mark Buehrle
04-26-2005, 06:46 PM
Yeah, I saw that. Tony is funny, but come on! Seriously, he can't really think the Orioles are off to a better start. That's just stupid.

chisoxfanatic
04-26-2005, 07:00 PM
Our pitching staff puts Baltimore's to shame.

AND our pitching staff would put Baltimore's OFFENSE to shame.

jdm2662
04-26-2005, 07:03 PM
The White Sox averaged six runs a game in 2000. Look how that fared in the playoffs...
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chisoxfanatic
04-26-2005, 07:06 PM
The White Sox averaged six runs a game in 2000. Look how that fared in the playoffs...

Good point...Nuff said! :)

If the opposition can't score, because they simply are being baffled by our pitchers, how on Earth can they beat us???

jdm2662
04-26-2005, 07:13 PM
You still have to score runs to win, but pitching generally plays a bigger role in the playoffs. The Sox in 2000 had the same problem they did in '93, get runners and base and leave them there.
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chisoxfanatic
04-26-2005, 07:18 PM
Right. But, back in 2000, they didn't have guys that were very "alert" on the bases. That's what seperates this team from that team. They also do just enough to get that timely hit to score just enough runs to win. It's like they have a built-in gague for how many runs the other team is going to score, and then they one-up them or something...

Their aggressiveness on the bases is quite notable this year. In 2000, the main guy on the bases was Durham, and he never held a candle to what Podsednik means to this team. Durham didn't get under the skin of opposing pitchers like Podsednick has been doing. This opens the floodgates for more offense, as well. "Smart Ball" has compemented the pitching to a T.

bennyw41
04-26-2005, 07:19 PM
Yeah, I saw that. Tony is funny, but come on! Seriously, he can't really think the Orioles are off to a better start. That's just stupid.

You don't think that possibly they pick one side each, no matter how they truly feel?? Come on guys, this is a national show, they have to play devils advocate.

elrod
04-26-2005, 07:28 PM
Knock it off with this "East Coast Bias" crap. Kornheiser is a Yankee fan, through and through. He is a New Yorker who happens to write for the Washington Post. He HATES the Orioles. Saying that he picks the O's because of an East Coast Bias is like somebody saying that St. Louis is filled with Brewers fans because, you know, they're all just Midwesterners.

fusillirob1983
04-26-2005, 08:23 PM
Sometimes they agree, rarely, but usually they'll argue.

A.T. Money
04-26-2005, 08:42 PM
Let's have a repeat of 1983. We owe them a good whoopin.

kevingrt
04-26-2005, 09:00 PM
This was a question posed on PTI this afternoon. Kornheiser, of course, with his east coast bias, stated that it's better to have a good offense, so Baltimore's start is more legit. Thankfully Wilbon, the Chicago guy he is, starts canning him talking about how dominant our pitching (highlighting Buehrle, Garland, and Garcia) and timely or hitting has been. It's great that Wilbon usually wins out, because he's the one on that show with a CLUE!

PTI is an amazing show and I have a lot of respect for Wilbon and his knowledge on sports and I also respect Kornheiser as a person (very funny one on one) and as a writer. Kornheiser brings a lot of humor to that show regardless if he doesn't stay up till 9:00 ET.

As for the topic of discussion Wilbon is right, 'nough said.

Hagan
04-26-2005, 11:15 PM
White sox because the Os do not have the starting pitching that we have. Their hitting is unbelievable but their pitching other than Rodrigo lopez is pretty shaky.

Fenway
05-01-2005, 04:57 PM
The O's are red hot right now winning game #8 in a row before only 30,000 at Camden Yards on Sunday ( maybe the Nats really are hurting them )

I think they are getting more attention right now as they have played the Red Sox and especially the Yankees well. Can they hold up? I doubt it, but the Orioles are the AL Centrals best friend. Everytime they beat the Red Sox or Yankees helps the other divisions in the WC.

mdep524
05-01-2005, 05:06 PM
The O's are red hot right now winning game #8 in a row before only 30,000 at Camden Yards on Sunday ( maybe the Nats really are hurting them )

I think they are getting more attention right now as they have played the Red Sox and especially the Yankees well. Can they hold up? I doubt it, but the Orioles are the AL Centrals best friend. Everytime they beat the Red Sox or Yankees helps the other divisions in the WC. Of course it helps when the Yankees blow a lead and lose 2 of 3 to the Blue Jays. :D:

jabrch
05-01-2005, 05:09 PM
Both teams are legit. Baltimore is going to score a ton of runs and has an excellent bullpen. We are going to keep teams low scoring, score a few of our own, and have an excellent bullpen. There is more than one way to win a baseball game - and Baltimore and the Sox are a perfect illustration of that.

If you took their offense, our pitching, and combine the bullpens a bit (their closer, and a split of the rest) and either team's solid defense and you'd have a hell of a team.

The 2005 Orisox

LF - Podsednik
CF - Matos/Rowand
RF - Sammy
1B - PK
2B - Roberts/Gooch
3B - Crede/Mora
SS - Tejada
C - Lopez
DH - Frank/Gibbons

SP Buehrle
SP Garcia
SP Garland
SP Contreras
SP Bedard

CL - BJ Ryan
LH SU - Kline
RH SU - Herm
RH2 - Julio
RH3 - Viz
Long - Duque

I'd like that team!

TheBull19
05-01-2005, 06:09 PM
( maybe the Nats really are hurting them )



No question - probably anywhere from 30-40% of their fan base is/was from the DC area. The 'spos would've been much better off out west somewhere, or even Tennessee. Another dumb move by MLB, if you ask me.

fquaye149
05-01-2005, 06:38 PM
Knock it off with this "East Coast Bias" crap. Kornheiser is a Yankee fan, through and through. He is a New Yorker who happens to write for the Washington Post. He HATES the Orioles. Saying that he picks the O's because of an East Coast Bias is like somebody saying that St. Louis is filled with Brewers fans because, you know, they're all just Midwesterners.

Yeah but don't sox fans tend to overvalue the players in their own division because they see them so much. Or overvalue the Twins because we pay more attention to them when they win than say the Angels or the Red Sox?

Same with football... Don't Bears fans overvalue the Packers and Favre because we see them beat us so often and in such dominating fashion?

Kornheiser probably knows a lot more about the Orioles than he does about the White Sox just as we probably know a lot more about the Royals than we do the Devil Rays.

East Coast/ Midwest bias.

SOXfnNlansing
05-01-2005, 08:16 PM
It looks like the O's are a reincarnation of the previous 3 White Sox teams. They'll fade. I think the Sox are the American League version of the Marlins, and that is a great thing my friends :)