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chisoxfanatic
04-23-2005, 10:35 PM
What a game once again, as the Sox now own the best start in the franchise history!!!

Let's keep it up and go for the SWEEP tomorrow!!!

Brian26
04-23-2005, 10:35 PM
WOW.

:winner

NSSoxFan
04-23-2005, 10:35 PM
Yes!

thewalkoffshot
04-23-2005, 10:36 PM
woohoo, if nothing else happens this year, this is a star to remember

BearSox
04-23-2005, 10:36 PM
Another series to the Sox! :bandance:

fquaye149
04-23-2005, 10:36 PM
fingers crossed for contreras


(God...please tell me I don't sound like THAT much of a cub fan)

Evman5
04-23-2005, 10:36 PM
What A WIN!!!!!!!!

:supernana::supernana::supernana::supernana::super nana::supernana:

Unregistered
04-23-2005, 10:36 PM
:homefish:
"I hope you're all happy now. You know how terrible we are in Game 3."

DoggPhood
04-23-2005, 10:36 PM
That's all.

batmanZoSo
04-23-2005, 10:37 PM
*boom*

Mickster
04-23-2005, 10:37 PM
Don't wake me if I'm dreaming! :smile: :smile: :smile:

krohnjw
04-23-2005, 10:37 PM
Poor situational hitting by Konerko tonight, but we got the win. On a positive note Cotts looked decent for a change.

Let's keep it up!!

santo=dorf
04-23-2005, 10:38 PM
My Chest!!!! My Heart!!!!

8-1 in 1 run games. If it's luck, I really don't give a ****!:supernana: :gulp:

Brian26
04-23-2005, 10:38 PM
woohoo, if nothing else happens this year, this is a star to remember

If nothing else happens? Dude, where's the optimism at? I'm looking to beat the '84 Tigers start at this point. :D:

Cowch44
04-23-2005, 10:38 PM
Yeah, that first inning today.:D:

owensmouth
04-23-2005, 10:38 PM
Great job by Marte!!!!

SomebodyToldMe
04-23-2005, 10:38 PM
:supernana: :supernana: :supernana:

Brian26
04-23-2005, 10:39 PM
Poor situational hitting by Konerko tonight, but we got the win. On a positive note Cotts looked decent for a change.

Let's keep it up!!

Yeah, our middle-of-the-order hitters are sucking right now. We're something like 2 for 35 in this series.

PAPChiSox729
04-23-2005, 10:39 PM
Amazing victory. When Sweeney tied the game, I thought we were done. We snatched this one from the jaws of defeat!

WOW


:supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :supernana:

SoxSpeed22
04-23-2005, 10:39 PM
Yes!Outstanding job by the Bullpen, especially Cotts and Politte. We scored enough runs for this one. Let's hope Hernandez gives the bullpen some rest. Hopefully Contreras will be fine.
:supernana: 14-4, Best start in a long time!:supernana:

SouthSide4Life
04-23-2005, 10:39 PM
Aaron came thru in the clutch

brewcrew/chisox
04-23-2005, 10:39 PM
great win for the sox once again! Nice...

Can somone give me the 411 on Jose? What's up with his leg? Did he get with a comebacker or what? I only was able to see the game from the 8th inning on.

Evman5
04-23-2005, 10:39 PM
Yes.....Heck of a job by Marte!!!!!! Did anybody else think he hit Marrero on the pitch. I did not even realize it was a wild pitch at first!

NSSoxFan
04-23-2005, 10:39 PM
:supernana: 14-4, Best start in a long time!:supernana:

BEST START EVER!

CHISOXFAN13
04-23-2005, 10:40 PM
Great job by Marte!!!!

Cotts and Politte also great tonight, too. This is amazing. I can't get enough.

nordhagen
04-23-2005, 10:40 PM
If nothing else happens? Dude, where's the optimism at? I'm looking to beat the '84 Tigers start at this point. :D:

Four more wins and it's the first 10-game winning streak since 1976!!!!!

Frank the Tank
04-23-2005, 10:40 PM
The baseball gods are being good to us for a change !!!!!

Brian26
04-23-2005, 10:40 PM
great win for the sox once again! Nice...

Can somone give me the 411 on Jose? What's up with his leg? Did he get with a comebacker or what? I only was able to see the game from the 8th inning on.

Not sure how it happened, but the official diagnosis is a lower right hammie strain.

cheeses_h_rice
04-23-2005, 10:41 PM
I was watching "Harold & Kumar Go to White Castle," so I didn't watch the first 9 innings.

Just curious: why did Marte start the 10th when the first 2 batters were righties?

In any case, a 14-4 start is something I never would have foreseen this team having. It's like every best-case scenario based on KW's moves has worked out.

:gulp:

owensmouth
04-23-2005, 10:41 PM
great win for the sox once again! Nice...

Can somone give me the 411 on Jose? What's up with his leg? Did he get with a comebacker or what? I only was able to see the game from the 8th inning on.Pulled a hamstring trying to cover a dinkie grounder between the mound and first

Brian26
04-23-2005, 10:41 PM
Four more wins and it's the first 10-game winning streak since 1976!!!!!

Hmm...how many games did we win in a row in '89 when Paciorek got his head shaved?

batmanZoSo
04-23-2005, 10:42 PM
Four more wins and it's the first 10-game winning streak since 1976!!!!!

What about 2000? :?:

The Wimperoo
04-23-2005, 10:42 PM
Great win. Taking advantage of KC's mistakes.

Did anyone else think Ozzie should have walked Sweeney in the 8th?

PAPChiSox729
04-23-2005, 10:43 PM
We need to give some props to AJ for taking that extra base on Uribe's single in the 10th. I know offensively it wasn't too great, but overall nice job by AJ today.

Shoeless Joe
04-23-2005, 10:43 PM
Yikes, my heart was pounding a little faster than usual during that 9th but hey that's a White Sox winner. I know ARow got the base hit in the 10th but Marte was absolutely pivotal in today's win. I didn't get to see the early innings, what exactly happened with Jose Contreras?

Best start in team history sounds pretty good to me right now. With El Duque taking the mound tomorrow there's a good chance that record increases a bit!

Go SOX!:bandance:

Frank the Tank
04-23-2005, 10:43 PM
Just curious: why did Marte start the 10th when the first 2 batters were righties?



:gulp:

I thought for sure keeping Marte in would be a Dusty Baker move.

Evman5
04-23-2005, 10:43 PM
I can't believe we pulled this one out. We blew so many chances....I knew we needed atleast one insurance run for later. But hey if they win I don't care.

cwsfannick
04-23-2005, 10:44 PM
Great job by the bullpen tonight. Sox are getting the job done in many different ways. 14 and 4 YES!!!!!!!

Brian26
04-23-2005, 10:44 PM
Did anyone think the play at the plate may have been a bad call by the ump? I'm not sure Marte got there in time, but I'm not complaining.

nordhagen
04-23-2005, 10:44 PM
Hmm...how many games did we win in a row in '89 when Paciorek got his head shaved?

I think it was eight.

A. Cavatica
04-23-2005, 10:45 PM
Good job by Ozzie managing the pen tonight. Contreras out early, and he conserved relievers in case the game went extra innings...which it did.Maybe Ozzie learned something from the Cleveland debacle?

Brian26
04-23-2005, 10:45 PM
Great job by the bullpen tonight. Sox are getting the job done in many different ways. 14 and 4 YES!!!!!!!

The key is that different people are contributing every night. Rowand and Marte really were the stars tonight. AJ legging out the extra base in the 10th was huge too.

cwsfannick
04-23-2005, 10:45 PM
Hmm...how many games did we win in a row in '89 when Paciorek got his head shaved?

The bet on that one was 8 wins in a row. Wimpy lost.

Brian26
04-23-2005, 10:46 PM
I think it was eight.

And then how about the 2003 winning streak when Hawk got his head shaved? Was that a 9-gamer?

C-Dawg
04-23-2005, 10:46 PM
And an awesome job holding 'em in the bottom of the 9th - heck they had the bases loaded with only one out. I was listening on the radio; was it a passed ball or just a plain 'ol wild pitch?

owensmouth
04-23-2005, 10:47 PM
Did anyone think the play at the plate may have been a bad call by the ump? I'm not sure Marte got there in time, but I'm not complaining.Looked good to me. I thought AJ and Marte combined to pull that out of their collective butt.

BearSox
04-23-2005, 10:47 PM
Did anyone think the play at the plate may have been a bad call by the ump? I'm not sure Marte got there in time, but I'm not complaining.

To me, it looked like he was right over the plate but falling on it as Marte tagged him so he hadn't touched the plate on the way down.

patbooyah
04-23-2005, 10:47 PM
Did anyone think the play at the plate may have been a bad call by the ump? I'm not sure Marte got there in time, but I'm not complaining.

i was thinking that, too. but again- not complaining. thats when we need the overhead camera i've invented. it pretty much sits on a fishing pole type contraption just behind home.

The Wimperoo
04-23-2005, 10:47 PM
Did anyone think the play at the plate may have been a bad call by the ump? I'm not sure Marte got there in time, but I'm not complaining.

It looked to me Diaz got his hand in there first, but it was a bang bang play.

cwsfannick
04-23-2005, 10:47 PM
It seems now that this team expects to get the big 2 out hit. To thier credit they are.

SouthSide4Life
04-23-2005, 10:47 PM
Great job by the bullpen tonight. Sox are getting the job done in many different ways. Vizcaino?

Banix12
04-23-2005, 10:48 PM
Great win. Taking advantage of KC's mistakes.

Did anyone else think Ozzie should have walked Sweeney in the 8th?

I would have probably chosen to walk Sweeney. I would rather face Matt Stairs in that situation than Sweeney.

But it worked out in the end so I don't really care.

DaveIsHere
04-23-2005, 10:48 PM
WHo cares................We have WHITESOX WINNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 14-4 BABY!!!!!

PicktoCLick72
04-23-2005, 10:49 PM
Huge win. This team comes up with a different player very night. I am fallin in love with them.

PAPChiSox729
04-23-2005, 10:50 PM
It looked to me Diaz got his hand in there first, but it was a bang bang play.

We are catching a bunch of breaks. But it is the good teams that take advantage. This start may have a little luck, but regardless, we are a good team.

nordhagen
04-23-2005, 10:50 PM
And then how about the 2003 winning streak when Hawk got his head shaved? Was that a 9-gamer?

Not sure but Sox Media Guide lists streaks of 10 or more - last one May 18-26, 1976. And the last four of that one were against Oakland.

By the way, for any real wacko optimists out there, franchise record is 19 in that wonderful year of 1906.

Evman5
04-23-2005, 10:50 PM
My man Contreras went down, but it looks as if we may be seeing B-Mac rather soon!

Brian26
04-23-2005, 10:50 PM
Marte's had some really, really bad endings in KC over the past three years (Micheal Tucker walkoff in 2002, Opening Day 2003, Opening Day 2004), so it was nice to see him work himself out of this and close it down.

eastchicagosoxfan
04-23-2005, 10:50 PM
If nothing else happens? Dude, where's the optimism at? I'm looking to beat the '84 Tigers start at this point. :D:
I was thinking about that 1984 Tigers' start too. Was it 35-5? Just keep playing them one-at-a-time. This start is unbelievable!! 14-4!! Mercy!!

iftypofixit
04-23-2005, 10:51 PM
How about Jermaine Dye breaking up that double play in the 10th. The little things keep winning us games!


:supernana:

TheBull19
04-23-2005, 10:51 PM
Vizcaino?

Yeah, the bullpen gave up 1 run in 6 and 2/3 innings, since Vizcaino gave up that run, they sucked

cwsfannick
04-23-2005, 10:52 PM
Another big difference I see in this team is the fact that we make other teams pay for thier mistakes or lack of execution. Royals don't turn the double play in the 10th which would have gotten them out of the inning. Results in Rowand coming to the plate and getting the big 2 out hit.

eastchicagosoxfan
04-23-2005, 10:52 PM
We are catching a bunch of breaks. But it is the good teams that take advantage. This start may have a little luck, but regardless, we are a good team.
Stick around in the game, and usually the losing team finds a way to beat itself. The old Sox excelled at that.

Brian26
04-23-2005, 10:53 PM
Stick around in the game, and usually the losing team finds a way to beat itself. The old Sox excelled at that.

This game is a loss in 2003 or 2004, guaranteed.

PAPChiSox729
04-23-2005, 10:54 PM
I was thinking about that 1984 Tigers' start too. Was it 35-5? Just keep playing them one-at-a-time. This start is unbelievable!! 14-4!! Mercy!!

35-5?
:smokin: Doable.:smokin:

owensmouth
04-23-2005, 10:54 PM
BMac to open Friday against the Tigers?

cwsfannick
04-23-2005, 10:54 PM
Vizcaino?

6 and 2/3 with 1 run given up by the bullpen. I would take that.

kojak
04-23-2005, 10:54 PM
Hats off to Dan Rowand and Dick Marte!

Masterful use of relievers by Ozzie!

Q: How many .300 hitters can you have?
A: Next time, try five of them!

chisox06
04-23-2005, 10:55 PM
Yeah, the bullpen gave up 1 run in 6 and 2/3 innings, since Vizcaino gave up that run, they sucked

thank you. Wow if were gonna question Vizcaino for giving up the lone run out of the bullpen after they took over in the 4th then were in for a meltdown when this team looses again.

Pollitte, Cotts, Vizcaino, Marte= 1 ER, 6 2/3 innings, thats fantastic. :supernana:

nordhagen
04-23-2005, 10:57 PM
thank you. Wow if were gonna question Vizcaino for giving up the lone run out of the bullpen after they took over in the 4th then were in for a meltdown when this team looses again.

Pollitte, Cotts, Vizcaino, Marte= 1 ER, 6 2/3 innings, thats fantastic. :supernana:

And the run by Vizcaino was a shattered-bat single by Sweeney

JB98
04-23-2005, 10:57 PM
BMac to open Friday against the Tigers?

Let's hope not. I'd prefer to see Contreras make his next start. Quite a few people seem eager to rush BMac to the majors. I don't want to see him up here until at least midseason.

We were fortunate to win tonight. It was ugly, but we'll take 'em anyway we can get 'em.

eastchicagosoxfan
04-23-2005, 10:58 PM
This game is a loss in 2003 or 2004, guaranteed.
Absolutely!! Something would have happened and the result would have been the Sox beating the Sox. The old teams gave 28-30 outs a game.

delben91
04-23-2005, 10:58 PM
Let's hope not. I'd prefer to see Contreras make his next start. Quite a few people seem eager to rush BMac to the majors. I don't want to see him up here until at least midseason.

We were fortunate to win tonight. It was ugly, but we'll take 'em anyway we can get 'em.

With an off day on Thursday, the Sox could just skip Contreras' spot for one start, give him about a week and a few days to recover. If it's not a serious hamstring injury, that might be enough.

kojak
04-23-2005, 10:58 PM
Let's hope not. I'd prefer to see Contreras make his next start. Quite a few people seem eager to rush BMac to the majors. I don't want to see him up here until at least midseason.

We were fortunate to win tonight. It was ugly, but we'll take 'em anyway we can get 'em.

I could see Hermanson maybe getting a spot start.

eastchicagosoxfan
04-23-2005, 10:59 PM
35-5?
:smokin: Doable.:smokin:
I don't think 35-5 is doable, but 15-4 is.

Frank the Tank
04-23-2005, 10:59 PM
Let's hope not. I'd prefer to see Contreras make his next start. Quite a few people seem eager to rush BMac to the majors. I don't want to see him up here until at least midseason.



I agree. Other than the lead-off home run, Contreras seemed to have his stuff in order tonight.

batmanZoSo
04-23-2005, 11:00 PM
We are catching a bunch of breaks. But it is the good teams that take advantage. This start may have a little luck, but regardless, we are a good team.

Yeah, I don't wanna hear that as a bad thing. The Twins have been catching the breaks for four years, beating the odds and what have you. Maybe, just maybe it's not luck....

kojak
04-23-2005, 11:00 PM
Food for thought:

Sox lost on the first 2 Thursdays of the season, then won last Thursday.

Sox lost on the first 2 Sundays of the season, then .......

depy48
04-23-2005, 11:01 PM
why no shingo tonight :?:

JB98
04-23-2005, 11:01 PM
I could see Hermanson maybe getting a spot start.

I hope not. Hermanson has been our best reliever so far this year. Let's keep him in that role. The poster who suggested using the off day to give Contreras a little extra rest has the right idea.

chisox06
04-23-2005, 11:01 PM
Absolutely!! Something would have happened and the result would have been the Sox beating the Sox. The old teams gave 28-30 outs a game.

Great point, how many double plays have the Royals botched this series? This team is playing some solid baseball from the pitching/defensive side. We've watched teams beat themselves on numerous occasions this year (this game included), its nice to be on the other end of that spectrum from once.

Mickster
04-23-2005, 11:01 PM
I don't want to see him up here until at least midseason.

I'd prefer seeing BMAC up here in him in '06 or even '07. We have MB, Freddy, El Duque, and Contreras locked up for next year. If Garland continues on his '05 quest, I wouldn't mind seeing him back as well.

TheBull19
04-23-2005, 11:01 PM
I could see Hermanson maybe getting a spot start.

I'd think the Crab would be the best bet for 5 or 6 quality innings.

PAPChiSox729
04-23-2005, 11:01 PM
I could see Hermanson maybe getting a spot start.

When we first signed him, these are the situations where I thought he could start of game. But I have now seen how good he is in the bullpen. I would hate to take him out of it. Of all of our relievers, I am most comfortable with him in a tight situation.

kojak
04-23-2005, 11:02 PM
I hope not. Hermanson has been our best reliever so far this year. Let's keep him in that role. The poster who suggested using the off day to give Contreras a little extra rest has the right idea.

I meant that only as an alternative to bringing up BMac. Didn't realise we had an off day...

MRKARNO
04-23-2005, 11:02 PM
Just amazing. Absolutely incredible. We lost our starter in the 4th, yet the bullpen only gives up one run in 6 and 2/3 innings. You can't be too mad at Vizcaino for that. Someone was bound to give up one run. This has to be the beginning of something special; a storybook season. If you're only casually watching, start watching now because this is going to be a team to remember.:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

voodoochile
04-23-2005, 11:03 PM
You know something special is going on when you let your opponents load the bases in a tied game in the bottom of the ninth with one out and then you throw a passed ball and you still win...:tongue:

I have no idea how we won that game and I really don't care. Stole it, lucked out, freaked out, smoke, mirrors and blinking lights...

:winner

:supernana:

do that thing again, you funky yellow dude...

:supernana:

JB98
04-23-2005, 11:03 PM
why no shingo tonight :?:

Because we have another game tomorrow. Don't want to use *everybody* up. Now, Hermanson and Shingo should be fresh and ready to go tomorrow if it's a close game late.

cwsfannick
04-23-2005, 11:05 PM
If there is one piece that I believe this team may need is someone that can go long relief. It seems to me that the bullpen is made up of 1 inning guys. This may be something that KW looks for at the trade deadline.

voodoochile
04-23-2005, 11:05 PM
I think Ozzie was holding out on using Hermanson and Shingo so he has them for tomorrow. The rest of the bullpen is shot until Monday earliest. That's why he left Marte in to pitch the 10th. Plus Marte was jacked up after striking out Merrero to end the 9th, so you figure you give it to him because he is pumped and ready to go.

At least they won't need Contreras until a week from Tuesday earliest.

beckett21
04-23-2005, 11:06 PM
YES!:bandance:

Haters beware; this team is the real deal.

:yup:




(*crosses fingers for Contreras*)

chisox06
04-23-2005, 11:06 PM
Because we have another game tomorrow. Don't want to use *everybody* up. Now, Hermanson and Shingo should be fresh and ready to go tomorrow if it's a close game late.

Plus we've got Widger if we need him too. I thought Ozzie managed the bullpen well today given the unexpected injury to Jose, all around a great game.

PAPChiSox729
04-23-2005, 11:07 PM
You know something special is going on when you let your opponents load the bases in a tied game in the bottom of the ninth with one out and then you throw a passed ball and you still win...

This team is amazing. I am just awestruck. WOW.

:lsox

:supernana: :supernana: :supernana:

Lip Man 1
04-23-2005, 11:08 PM
Contreras seems to be the 'snakebit' guy on the pitching staff. He had the lead in the Cleveland game when Shingo got hit in the 9th inning and tonight he was looking very good under rough pitching conditions until the hamstring.

I'm not a doctor but I think, notice I said I think, the lower pulls aren't as bad as the upper one's. I seem to recall something along those lines from high school days. I know I got a bad hamstring pull in the upper area from lifting weights and that was a killer. I had trouble sitting in my car because the seat edge pushed right on it, that took a few months to heal up.

Good luck Jose.

Lip

voodoochile
04-23-2005, 11:09 PM
Contreras seems to be the 'snakebit' guy on the pitching staff. He had the lead in the Cleveland game when Shingo got hit in the 9th inning and tonight he was looking very good under rough pitching conditions until the hamstring.

I'm not a doctor but I think, notice I said I think, the lower pulls aren't as bad as the upper one's. I seem to recall something along those lines from high school days. I know I got a bad hamstring pull in the upper area from lifting weights and that was a killer. I had trouble sitting in my car because the seat edge pushed right on it, that took a few months to heal up.

Good luck Jose.

Lip

yes, high pulls are worse than low pulls.

Unregistered
04-23-2005, 11:10 PM
BMac to open Friday against the Tigers?McCarthy is 0-2 with a 4.76 ERA in AAA. 9 runs in 17 innings isn't exactly setting the world on fire...

Let's not rush the guy up here just yet.

JB98
04-23-2005, 11:10 PM
Plus we've got Widger if we need him too. I thought Ozzie managed the bullpen well today given the unexpected injury to Jose, all around a great game.

We just need El Duque to step it up tomorrow. He's gotta give us a least six innings and save the bullpen. We can use Hermanson for the seventh and eighth, and Shingo to close it out. At least that's the ideal scenario. I'm pretty sure Politte and Cotts would be able to give us an inning, if they absolutely had to. I'm guessing they both threw about 25-30 pitches tonight.

surfdudes
04-23-2005, 11:11 PM
Way to go boys..........
I'm just going to sit back and enjoy all this....

batmanZoSo
04-23-2005, 11:11 PM
This is why the Royals suck. They've been playing really good ball lately and they're 0-4.

Us: Find a way to win.

Them: Find numerous, creative ways to lose.

Brian26
04-23-2005, 11:12 PM
McCarthy is 0-2 with a 4.76 ERA in AAA. 9 runs in 17 innings isn't exactly setting the world on fire...

Let's not rush the guy up here just yet.

Agreed. If anything, I'd bring Adkins up for a spot start at this point before BMac, although I don't know how many options we've got left on Jon.

Frater Perdurabo
04-23-2005, 11:12 PM
:tomatoaward:

No tomatoes on this performance tonight!

chisox06
04-23-2005, 11:13 PM
And to add to all the hype ANOTHER PERFECT DAY HOMIES! :bandance:

Viva Medias B's
04-23-2005, 11:13 PM
My Jesus Mercy!

This is a game we would not have won last season.

TheBull19
04-23-2005, 11:14 PM
I think Ozzie was holding out on using Hermanson and Shingo so he has them for tomorrow. The rest of the bullpen is shot until Monday earliest. That's why he left Marte in to pitch the 10th.



He's probably been having nightmares of that game he used up all the relievers and the game went extra innings, too. I'd imagine he's been kicking himself for putting Vizcaino in that spot.

SouthSide4Life
04-23-2005, 11:14 PM
Yeah, the bullpen gave up 1 run in 6 and 2/3 innings, since Vizcaino gave up that run, they suckedhe threw quite a few balls

MRKARNO
04-23-2005, 11:15 PM
McCarthy is 0-2 with a 4.76 ERA in AAA. 9 runs in 17 innings isn't exactly setting the world on fire...

Let's not rush the guy up here just yet.

McCarthy had one bad start, but had been solid before that. I wouldnt hesitiate to call him up if it was needed.

fincher
04-23-2005, 11:16 PM
This team is amazing. I am just awestruck. WOW.


Ditto. There's no long-term substitute for strong pitching and great defense. Gotta love the chemistry that's developed.

SoxFan48
04-23-2005, 11:17 PM
Next Thursday is off day. So Jose will not be needed until May 3. Hopefully enough time to heal without trip to disabled list.

SouthSide4Life
04-23-2005, 11:17 PM
Let's hope not. I'd prefer to see Contreras make his next start. Quite a few people seem eager to rush BMac to the majors. I don't want to see him up here until at least midseason.

We were fortunate to win tonight. It was ugly, but we'll take 'em anyway we can get 'em.im not gonna lie, i wouldnt be devestated if something were up with contreras. i like seein McPitch

JB98
04-23-2005, 11:23 PM
im not gonna lie, i wouldnt be devestated if something were up with contreras. i like seein McPitch

Dude, you're crazy. If you like seeing McCarthy pitch, move to Charlotte. These first three weeks of the season, I've been rejoicing about us having five experienced pitchers in the rotation. It's been a welcome change from last year, where we had the minor-league pitcher of the week in the five spot. I'm sure we'll have to dip into triple-A at some point, but I'd prefer to put that off as long as possible. I hope Jose makes 30 starts for us this year.

batmanZoSo
04-23-2005, 11:23 PM
I think Ozzie was holding out on using Hermanson and Shingo so he has them for tomorrow. The rest of the bullpen is shot until Monday earliest. That's why he left Marte in to pitch the 10th. Plus Marte was jacked up after striking out Merrero to end the 9th, so you figure you give it to him because he is pumped and ready to go.

At least they won't need Contreras until a week from Tuesday earliest.

I totally agreed with Damaso. Or I guess I agreed with Ozzie technically. But I'm in favor of leaving in the guy for another inning and see what he does. It's not like he was wild, he just gave up a few cheap hits and looked damn good getting the third out. In that case, I leave him in, especially when you consider that we've already burned through a ton of relief innings and a game like this, anything can happen. You don't want to take someone out too early, see it get tied up and run out of pitchers again.

PAPChiSox729
04-23-2005, 11:23 PM
This is a game we would not have won last season.

Last year, we would have lost this one in regulation.

Brian26
04-23-2005, 11:27 PM
Ditto. There's no long-term substitute for strong pitching and great defense. Gotta love the chemistry that's developed.

If anyone doesn't believe this, they need to watch that 5th starter meltdown in Montreal last year. We've got a team this year.

dcb33
04-23-2005, 11:30 PM
Can you say destiny? There is no way we would've won this game last year with the likes of Mike Jackson or Jon Adkins in the pen. I have to give the bullpen huge props becuase they really came through and shut KC down.


I wonder what Bull**** Buster Olney has to say about our bullpen's 5.08ERA now, oh wait....

PAPChiSox729
04-23-2005, 11:36 PM
Can you say destiny? There is no way we would've won this game last year with the likes of Mike Jackson or Jon Adkins in the pen. I have to give them huge props becuase they really came through and shut KC down.


I wonder what Bull**** Buster Olney has to say about our bullpen's 5.08ERA now, oh wait....

I wouldn't say 'destiny' just 18 games into the season, but... I like what I am seeing. I like it a lot.

hose
04-23-2005, 11:44 PM
Wow what a win!!!

Hopefully Contreras will be ok , he was locked in after the first inning . Looks like AJ is having Jose throw that good fastball of his more. :cool:

PAPChiSox729
04-23-2005, 11:54 PM
Wow what a win!!!

Hopefully Contreras will be ok , he was locked in after the first inning . Looks like AJ is having Jose throw that good fastball of his more. :cool:

I noticed that Jose's fastball was the best I have seen it. It was very explosive. And more importantly, he was actually throwing it and throwing it for strikes too. Lets hope he is healthy!

MrRoboto83
04-24-2005, 12:03 AM
Can you say destiny? There is no way we would've won this game last year with the likes of Mike Jackson or Jon Adkins in the pen. I have to give them huge props becuase they really came through and shut KC down.


I wonder what Bull**** Buster Olney has to say about our bullpen's 5.08ERA now, oh wait....



I was hoping never to hear of Mike Jackson again, If Jackson was still with us, he would of served up a game winning grand slam to the Royals for sure.

Lip Man 1
04-24-2005, 12:08 AM
From Mark Gonzales' Tribune wrap of the game (This is not the entire story...)

"But their biggest long-range concern involves Contreras. He isn't scheduled to pitch again until Friday against Detroit and will get an extra day because of Thursday's off day.


If Contreras' leg hasn't healed, the Sox could promote spring training sensation Brandon McCarthy from Triple-A Charlotte. McCarthy is 0-2 with a 4.76 ERA in three starts for the Knights, but he has struck out 21 batters in 17 innings and opponents are hitting only .233 against him.

Before his injury, Contreras looked dominating after he allowed a home run to David DeJesus in the first. He then retired 10 consecutive batters, six on strikeouts.


But he ran into trouble in the fourth while breaking to first base on a Mike Sweeney grounder. Contreras took a few steps off the mound before pulling up in pain.


After a few warm-up throws, Contreras convinced manager Ozzie Guillen and trainer Herm Schneider to let him stay in the game.

Journeyman cleanup hitter Matt Stairs, who has only five sacrifice bunts in his 10-year career and none since 2001, tried to take advantage of Contreras' injury by attempting a drag bunt.


Stairs fouled off the pitch and paid the price when Contreras hit him on the right side on the next pitch.


That was enough for Guillen as he pulled Contreras in the shortest outing by a Sox starting pitcher this season."

Kind of like how Contreras responded to the drag bunt. If he threw a few pitches after the injury perhaps it's not as bad as first feared.

Lip

SluggersAway
04-24-2005, 12:11 AM
This is great. Way to go Sox. Just look at the standings and it will put a smile on your face. We are head and shoulders abover evryone else. Let's keep it that way!

hose
04-24-2005, 12:14 AM
I noticed that Jose's fastball was the best I have seen it. It was very explosive. And more importantly, he was actually throwing it and throwing it for strikes too. Lets hope he is healthy!

You wonder why he doesn't just blow away hitters with his heater instead of screwing around.

popilius
04-24-2005, 12:16 AM
[QUOTE=dcb33]Can you say destiny? There is no way we would've won this game last year with the likes of Mike Jackson or Jon Adkins in the pen. I have to give the bullpen huge props becuase they really came through and shut KC down.

[QUOTE]

You said it. . . If the bullpen is even half as reliable as we're seeing right now in the early going, we'll be in good shape down the stretch. I've always believed that great teams always have to have a good bullpen. Just look at the past world series teams recently. :gulp:

ChiSox7
04-24-2005, 12:18 AM
How about Uribe now hitting over .300. He's really turned it on of late. If our 3-4-5-6 hitters could turn it on we could really be crushing folks.

jordan23ventura
04-24-2005, 12:34 AM
McCarthy is 0-2 with a 4.76 ERA in AAA. 9 runs in 17 innings isn't exactly setting the world on fire...

Let's not rush the guy up here just yet.

I second that. McCarthy pitched the most innings in his career last year, so the last thing we want to do is rush him.

jordan23ventura
04-24-2005, 12:40 AM
Kind of like how Contreras responded to the drag bunt. If he threw a few pitches after the injury perhaps it's not as bad as first feared.

Lip

I absolutely loved seeing Contreras throw at Stairs. You take that, combine it with Ozzie's comments about Magglio, El Duque throwing at his own teammate in ST for going up the middle, and the hard slides into second and you have a team with attitude. Finally! I'm glad Ozzie took Jose out but I'm hoping it was because of the injury and not the beanball.

Go Chisox in 2005!

row18
04-24-2005, 12:42 AM
Great game, this team knows how to win, I'm just waiting for the Yanks and the Redsox, so they can shut espn and ther others up.

chisoxfanatic
04-24-2005, 12:51 AM
Great game, this team knows how to win, I'm just waiting for the Yanks and the Redsox, so they can shut espn and ther others up.

Too bad they have to wait til July and August for those two teams. And, may they BOTH fall out of the AL East picture as fast as possible...I'm tired of hearing nothing more than NYY and Carmine talk!!! There is a quality team on the south side of Chicago too! Here's hoping that Baltimore or Toronto can win that division.

(mini rant over)

Anyways, I'm not gonna say the "s" word in fear of jinxing this team...But, I'm liking how this month is panning out. Getting out of the door early is a huge key in a SOXessful season.

ChiSoxGirl
04-24-2005, 01:00 AM
Media Alert! Media Alert! The sports segment on WGN News at 9 tonight actually led with [GASP!] the Sox and their 14-4, Major League and franchise best record! The hapless Cubs and LaTroy Hawkins & his blown save FINALLY took a backseat to a real team! Mover over, Scrubbies! Make room for the other, much better team in this town!

Seriously though, I am absolutely loving what I'm seeing from this team! With tonight's win, I think we're now 8-1 in one-run ballgames. If this were last season, it'd be more like a 1-8 record in one-run games! Podsednik has been finding ways to get on base and he's swiping them left & right. Crede, a.k.a. "The Comet," (thanks fellow WSI users for that name) is batting .333; I can't remember seeing his average at .233, let alone 100 points higher! It's just all clicking right now and we're firing on all cylinders- I love it!

BTW- Anyone else think Maggs was the clubhouse cancer on this team? With all I've read this week that he's been firing from that trap of his, it's all coming together and making perfect sense. It's looking better everyday that "He Gone!"

JUribe1989
04-24-2005, 01:00 AM
That play by Marte was the coolest play I have ever seen!

Chisox003
04-24-2005, 01:01 AM
I absolutely loved seeing Contreras throw at Stairs. You take that, combine it with Ozzie's comments about Magglio, El Duque throwing at his own teammate in ST for going up the middle, and the hard slides into second and you have a team with attitude. Finally! I'm glad Ozzie took Jose out but I'm hoping it was because of the injury and not the beanball.

Go Chisox in 2005!

Dont forget Hawk ripping Moronotti, then calling him the "2 of clubs" (lowest card in the deck....maybe a little to generous for that bum)

Then tonight, when DJ mentioned certain analysts (Jeff "Hillbilly Nascar Analyst" Brantley) and his comments on the Sox on ESPN, Hawk goes "Well, some of those analysts opinions resemble their careers"....And nothing more

This entire organization has additude!

S05X

Wsoxmike59
04-24-2005, 01:01 AM
If nothing else happens? Dude, where's the optimism at? I'm looking to beat the '84 Tigers start at this point. :D:

Wasn't that their 35-5 start? That was the most unbelievable start to a season I have ever witnessed.

21-1 to tie that record....I say "GIT'R' DONE!!!!"

chisoxfanatic
04-24-2005, 01:10 AM
BTW- Anyone else think Maggs was the clubhouse cancer on this team? With all I've read this week that he's been firing from that trap of his, it's all coming together and making perfect sense. It's looking better everyday that "He Gone!"

I think it was MORE than Maggs. Sources say that Caballo wasn't very good in the clubhouse, even going out of his way to make fun of Marte's nationality. Getting rid of those two could possibly have been the smartest things Kenny Williams did this offseason (outside of all of his wonderful moves to bolster this team all-around, of course :D: ).

batmanZoSo
04-24-2005, 01:23 AM
I think it was MORE than Maggs. Sources say that Caballo wasn't very good in the clubhouse, even going out of his way to make fun of Marte's nationality. Getting rid of those two could possibly have been the smartest things Kenny Williams did this offseason (outside of all of his wonderful moves to bolster this team all-around, of course :D: ).

Where did you hear that?

Those chest-thumping Panamanians, thinking they're above everyone else in the world... :wink:

ChiSoxGirl
04-24-2005, 01:28 AM
I think it was MORE than Maggs. Sources say that Caballo wasn't very good in the clubhouse, even going out of his way to make fun of Marte's nationality. Getting rid of those two could possibly have been the smartest things Kenny Williams did this offseason (outside of all of his wonderful moves to bolster this team all-around, of course :D: ).

I also heard that C. Lee was rumored to have been a clubhouse cancer, though I didn't hear he would go out of his way to make fun of Marte's nationality. What, are we in like second grade??? To think... I was initially mad about this trade. Now, I believe it's one of Williams' greatest moves to date! :bandance:

chisoxfanatic
04-24-2005, 01:29 AM
Where did you hear that?

On another Sox message board that I have since stopped posting at, deciding to come here full-time instead.

chidonez
04-24-2005, 01:33 AM
I don't know where to start. I was writing something when I hit the wrong button, and whamo!, my results were gone. It was something about how the Sox remind me of the 2001 M's, but in a good way. To refresh your memory, the M's won 116 games in 2001 behind solid pitching and a hell of a lot of late inning comebacks (for the sake of transparency, I was raised in Seattle). In other words, they were never far behind and were consistent in scoring a few runs, here and there, throughout the game. We're kind of like that now. The point is, winning is a disease, much like losing. We've got the good kind. And it's not just about smart, or small, ball. It's about having the right kind or guys in the clubhouse, and having great pitching. More than that, it's about having a solid rotation. It all starts with pitching. They've given the team the chance to win in virtually every ball game. One Cy Young winner doesn't win pennants, much less you-know-what. So, perhaps Ozzie is very right in his talk about how things used to be in the dugout. If that's going to be his legacy, it's going to be a good one. Can you see it now? We could be the small team that figures out that fielding a winning team is more important than fielding a roid-head. Suck it, Sosa...

chidonez
04-24-2005, 01:40 AM
BTW, Mike Veeck was on NPR's "Just a Game" today. He's, do I even need to say it, an interesting character.

SOX ADDICT '73
04-24-2005, 01:55 AM
That play by Marte was the coolest play I have ever seen!
For those posters who speculated that it was a bad call by the home plate ump:

I just watched the play on super slo-mo, and the runner slid toward home with his right arm extended and his left arm against his body. I think he was hoping to reach around Damaso with his right hand, but he missed home plate. His left shoulder was around eight inches above the plate when Marte tagged him on the head (and then proceeded to sit on him, for good measure).

Great call by the ump on a tough play! It seems like we've been getting hosed by a lot of bad calls lately. Nice to see one of these guys who's willing to do his job, even though making that call could have meant several more innings of work for him.

StillMissOzzie
04-24-2005, 01:55 AM
If one of the starters went 6 2/3 with only 1 ER, we'd be raving about yet another quality start. The fact that it took 4 from the bullpen to do the same thing is not important to me. The fact is, they did the job that needed to be done. And I agree w/ others who said that in years past, this was a game the Sox lose in 9 instead of win in 10. hate extra inning games on the road!]

I'm not so naive to think that the Sox will continue to play at the current .750-.800 clip forever, and I think that matching the 1984 Tigers' 35-5 start is a stretch, too. [Besides, they only went 69-53 the rest of the way] But, the more distance they can put between AL Central rivals ASAP, the better. Streaks are nice, but just winning series are great, too.

That said, let's sweep the Royals!

SMO
:gulp:

Fake Chet Lemon
04-24-2005, 01:56 AM
The weather in October is fairly similar to April, hummmmmmm may be very good for us.

IronFisk
04-24-2005, 02:09 AM
and I think that matching the 1984 Tigers' 35-5 start is a stretch, too.

Dang! 35-5? I knew they were hot, but that's just plain SMOKIN'!!! I would crap my pants if we could just get to 35-15.

Naw, let's just be giddy about where we are at. As long as the pitching holds up...

Fake Chet Lemon
04-24-2005, 02:12 AM
Dang! 35-5? I knew they were hot, but that's just plain SMOKIN'!!! I would crap my pants if we could just get to 35-15.

Naw, let's just be giddy about where we are at. As long as the pitching holds up...


And for all the tools who like to keep ignoring the Sox and saying "it's early", I believe the Tigers after their fast start pretty much played .500 ball the rest of the way.....and they went to the show.

SouthSideHitman
04-24-2005, 02:51 AM
Movie night with the gf, so I just finished watching the game on tape. It was so great to see. Any other year, I know exactly what woulda happened, that run woulda scored on the wild pitch in the ninth and the papers woulda had a big color picture of Marte holding is calf in the dirt with a banner "Royal Tragedy" headline. This year we're just executing; taking extra bases, getting people at the plate, doing just enough to win rather than just enough to lose. The reason I'm so optimistic despite this being April and these guys being the Sox is that this team looks like it is playing winnning baseball rather than just winning baseball games. I can't wait for 1 tomorrow, this stuff is a treat.

Nellie_Fox
04-24-2005, 03:38 AM
And for all the tools who like to keep ignoring the Sox and saying "it's early", I believe the Tigers after their fast start pretty much played .500 ball the rest of the way.....and they went to the show.Yeah, once you're 30 games over, you can pretty much play .500 ball the rest of the way. What's your point?

crector
04-24-2005, 03:47 AM
I'm not so naive to think that the Sox will continue to play at the current .750-.800 clip forever, and I think that matching the 1984 Tigers' 35-5 start is a stretch, too. [Besides, they only went 69-53 the rest of the way] But, the more distance they can put between AL Central rivals ASAP, the better.

SMO
:gulp:


You say that they "only" went 69-53 for their last 122 games of the season. If the Sox did that this year, Sox fans would be in 7th Heaven...........

Jurr
04-24-2005, 03:53 AM
I am honored to be sharing such a moment in time with the greatest fans in the world. We have been through a great deal of mental anguish and torture over the years, and it is great to see the Sox doing well at this time. I don't care what happens the rest of the year (yet you know that I want that trophy at USCF TERRIBLY), right now we're the best team in baseball, and I couldn't be prouder of this team or the super group of fans that root them on every day. From Lip to Daver to Voodoo to everybody else....from the moment I got on this board in 2003, we've been sharing our day in-day out Sox love together...and right now it's a great time to be a Sox fan. You guys are all the best, and for the moment, our boys are the best...AWESOME!

Unregistered
04-24-2005, 05:06 AM
Where did you hear that?

Those chest-thumping Panamanians, thinking they're above everyone else in the world... :wink: It was actually in the Southtown earlier this month:

Lee was a bully to Marte. He often ridiculed Marte's poor upbringing in the Dominican Republic, would sneak up and slap Marte on the back of the neck and would make Marte the butt of his jokes. In other words, Lee was a participant in the kind of selfish behavior the Sox tried to distance themselves from during the past offseason.
http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/061sd1.htm

fquaye149
04-24-2005, 05:13 AM
Dont forget Hawk ripping Moronotti, then calling him the "2 of clubs" (lowest card in the deck....maybe a little to generous for that bum)



Don't forget its non-too-proper nickname either.

fquaye149
04-24-2005, 05:19 AM
It was actually in the Southtown earlier this month:


http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/061sd1.htm

keep in mind: that's joe cowley's article. fwiw

PaleHoseGeorge
04-24-2005, 08:47 AM
It was actually in the Southtown earlier this month:


http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/061sd1.htm

I think we long ago established that Tailgunner Joe is not a credible source whenever the topic is Sox clubhouse cancers.
:?:

Here's predicting Tailgunner Joe will have yet another "Serpent in the Garden of Eden" story about the Sox clubhouse sometime after this current winning streak is forgotten. He's nothing if not predictable...
:o:

:weewillie
"If he calls you at home the day after you lose your starting job, just let the answering machine pick up."

Ol' No. 2
04-24-2005, 10:52 AM
We will probably hear more about Contreras' injury today. But looking at the schedule, they have an off-day on Thursday and another the following Monday. So they could conceivably rest Contreras until May 7 without anyone going on short rest. That's two weeks. A mild strain should heal in that amount of time. No worries, mate. Even the schedule is smiling on us this year.

balke
04-24-2005, 10:57 AM
I can't stop thinking about last year when Kenny kept talking about "Every team seems to go on a 12/15 or 16/20 run. We haven't run into one of those yet, and think maybe we are due". We never had one of those all season last season, and I don't remember a 6 game winning streak last season. I don't think we won 5 straight til the end of the season, if at all.

This season, maybe we are due for 2 runs like this? Looks like everyone gets their B-mac... unless Person or some other route will be taken while Contreras is out. I caught the bottom of the 9th after work last night, I was thinking how last season I would expect a loss, but for last night I felt like we'd get the flyout or jam pitch.

Another great Sox win. Maybe El Duque can swing us a sweep!

Brian26
04-24-2005, 11:06 AM
I think Hawk's "YES" when Marte got the tag at homeplate was the loudest "YES" we've heard in a long, long time.

:hawk

"YYYYYYYES!"

voodoochile
04-24-2005, 11:20 AM
I think Hawk's "YES" when Marte got the tag at homeplate was the loudest "YES" we've heard in a long, long time.

A good night's sleep and I am still in shock over the way that game ended. People say things like "last year we lose this game", but I'll go one better. If they play this game 10 more times and come to that same moment time and time again, the Sox are 1-10 at the end of it.

You just almost never see that play go the defenses way. I actually wondered briefly if AJ did it on purpose, figuring he could sucker the guy on third but as close as it was, I just can't see that being true.

In either case, it doesn't matter. Sox Win! Sox Win!

Unregistered
04-24-2005, 01:34 PM
I think we long ago established that Tailgunner Joe is not a credible source whenever the topic is Sox clubhouse cancers.
True - I only posted it cause it was just mentioned before that someone read it on another Sox board - just showing that it didn't just come out of thin air.

Cowley had to make it up first and then publish it. :D: