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JoseCanseco6969
04-23-2005, 07:34 PM
I personally think Baker is worse since he actually had talent on his club but just cant get his players together.

Banix12
04-23-2005, 09:55 PM
As much as I dislike Dusty Baker and his style, he manages winning teams. Baylor did get a raw deal when he was cubs manager, since he was unable to control Sosa and he had nowhere near the talent on the club that Baker has, but ultimately it's the results that count.

Viva Medias B's
04-23-2005, 10:25 PM
As much as I dislike Dusty Baker and his style, he manages winning teams. Baylor did get a raw deal when he was cubs manager, since he was unable to control Sosa and he had nowhere near the talent on the club that Baker has, but ultimately it's the results that count.

Whatever success teams managed by Baker has had, that success has happened despite Baker. How do you think the Devil Rays would do with Dusty at the helm?

Lip Man 1
04-23-2005, 10:48 PM
Baker has had winning teams, that counts for something, the players love him, that counts for something but so does this...

Baker had a 3-2 lead in the 2002 World Series with #6 at home and lost the series...

Baker had a 3-1 lead in the 2003 NLCS with games #6 and #7 at home and lost the series...

Lip

Viva Medias B's
04-23-2005, 10:51 PM
Would Baylor have blown out Wood, Prior, and Zambrano's arms?

Vsahajpal
04-23-2005, 11:09 PM
Would Baylor have blown out Wood, Prior, and Zambrano's arms?

Yeah, they're similar in that regard. Baylor and Acosta were actually worse on pitchers.

slavko
04-23-2005, 11:10 PM
Baker has had winning teams, that counts for something, the players love him, that counts for something but so does this...

Lip
The players love him because he covers for them no matter what they do. That's good to a degree, but Dusty takes it too far.

Banix12
04-23-2005, 11:15 PM
Baker has had winning teams, that counts for something, the players love him, that counts for something but so does this...

Baker had a 3-2 lead in the 2002 World Series with #6 at home and lost the series...

Baker had a 3-1 lead in the 2003 NLCS with games #6 and #7 at home and lost the series...

Lip

Yeah that counts for something, but at least Baker had teams that got there. You can't say that about Baylor. And Baker had enough clout to get sammy to move down the lineup and then essentially helped force him out of town. The fact that he could stand up to Sosa puts him ahead of Baylor.

Viva Medias B's
04-23-2005, 11:16 PM
The players love him because he covers for them no matter what they do. That's good to a degree, but Dusty takes it too far.

In other words, Dusty allows them to be [jerks] because of the "Our [poop] don't stink" attidude proliferated by Baker in the clubhouse.

PatK
04-25-2005, 06:19 PM
Dusty, if only for the fact that the Cubune corp has really opened up the checkbook for him, as opposed to Baylor.

Johnny Mostil
04-25-2005, 06:32 PM
Baker had a 3-2 lead in the 2002 World Series with #6 at home and lost the series...


I'll pick a nit here. Game 6 was in Anaheim. Nevertheless, Baker and the Giants did have a 5-0 lead going into the bottom of the 7th inning (http://baseball-almanac.com/box-scores/boxscore.php?boxid=200210260ANA)