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GiveMeSox
04-14-2005, 09:39 PM
I seriously have doubted Cotts ever since day 1 and truely beleive he is not major leage ready at all. I hated to see Cotts make the team over Walker. My opinion of cotts is that someone who consistently struggles to throw strikes in all of or most of his appearances has no place on the major league roster. It was said Cotts is just bad under pressure with runners on, hes is also not that great in his rare mop up duty appearances either. If Cotts cant throw strikes, aviod wild pitches, and get guys out no matter what the situation he should not be on the roster, that is a relievers job. Bring up Walker!!

Lip Man 1
04-14-2005, 10:04 PM
Cotts should be in Charlotte where that other future 'star' is...Adkins. LOL

Lip

Jurr
04-14-2005, 10:06 PM
Cotts is not a major league pitcher. It's a shame that Josh Stewart or McCarthy couldn't be put into that long relief position, though I definitely know why. It would just be great to have a lights out relief crew.

SluggersAway
04-14-2005, 10:09 PM
Cotts should be sent down, but we don't have anyone to replace him with. McCarthy needs some more time. Other arms could have been brought in tonight. We have a deep bull pen, but Cotts isn't one of the quality arms.

CubsfansareDRUNK
04-14-2005, 10:12 PM
He Gone

SoxSpeed22
04-14-2005, 10:12 PM
I seriously have doubted Cotts ever since day 1 and truely beleive he is not major leage ready at all. I hated to see Cotts make the team over Walker. My opinion of cotts is that someone who consistently struggles to throw strikes in all of or most of his appearances has no place on the major league roster. It was said Cotts is just bad under pressure with runners on, hes is also not that great in his rare mop up duty appearances either. If Cotts cant throw strikes, aviod wild pitches, and get guys out no matter what the situation he should not be on the roster, that is a relievers job. Bring up Walker!!Are we gonna do this to the game goat every time we lose? This is my first season being part of this site and already I've seen more side switching than ever. This is gonna be the longest season I have lived through.

shoota
04-14-2005, 10:29 PM
Are we gonna do this to the game goat every time we lose? This is my first season being part of this site and already I've seen more side switching than ever. This is gonna be the longest season I have lived through.

If you read his entire post, you would know that he said he has doubted Cotts since day 1 and that he felt Cotts shouldn't have made the team out of spring training. This gives him free reign to complain about Cotts's failures throughout the season.

I also was hoping Cotts wouldn't make the team out of spring training.

SoxSpeed22, do you believe Neal Cotts is a major league-ready pitcher who should be free of criticism for his failures?

Fake Chet Lemon
04-14-2005, 10:30 PM
You need that long relief throw-away pitcher, for when a starter gets bombed early or when you get a long extra inning game. It's an added bonus for Cotts he is a lefty, so I'd probably keep him around for that role. You unfortunately can't put a good pitcher in that role, it's kind of wasting him. The trick is not putting him into too many situations in the first 9 innings where he can blow the game for you.

chisoxmike
04-14-2005, 10:42 PM
I've disliked Cotts since day 1, Its amazing to me that he still gets out there in close games, yeah, he found the plate--- AFTER the Indians had gone up 8-5. He then settled down to get three straight outs, amazing.

JB98
04-14-2005, 10:47 PM
Maybe JM was managing the team tonight. He always liked to use Cotts after we had taken the first two games of a series. :D:

SoxSpeed22
04-14-2005, 11:36 PM
If you read his entire post, you would know that he said he has doubted Cotts since day 1 and that he felt Cotts shouldn't have made the team out of spring training. This gives him free reign to complain about Cotts's failures throughout the season.

I also was hoping Cotts wouldn't make the team out of spring training.

SoxSpeed22, do you believe Neal Cotts is a major league-ready pitcher who should be free of criticism for his failures?NOBODY is free of criticism for their failures, even in Baseball. As for Cotts, he's clearly better off as a starter than a reliever. He is much better than many other clowns that call themselves Major League pitchers. The big thing is that Walker is a right handed pitcher and Cotts is a lefty. If he wasn't there, Marte would be our ONLY left arm in the whole pen. Cotts should be on this team, but if you guys are gonna be on his case, I won't stop you.

mjmcend
04-14-2005, 11:44 PM
NOBODY is free of criticism for their failures, even in Baseball. As for Cotts, he's clearly better off as a starter than a reliever. He is much better than many other clowns that call themselves Major League pitchers. The big thing is that Walker is a right handed pitcher and Cotts is a lefty. If he wasn't there, Marte would be our ONLY left arm in the whole pen. Cotts should be on this team, but if you guys are gonna be on his case, I won't stop you.

Walker is left handed.

Rocklive99
04-14-2005, 11:52 PM
I agree 100% with SoxSpeed, I don't think it was this bad last year. Crap, I forgot I cheer for the White Sox, where anything higher than a 0.01 ERA is unacceptable. You guys get way too excited for wins and early in the season when someone does well, and then when a bad outing or AB or anything occurs, the sky is falling. The fact is El Duque stunk it up, and games like this from him have been expected, even though he was proclaimed Cy Young last week. I'm sure this team will be fine and am extremely confident, and we can all agree that we all are fans, but I think some people take each game to the extreme wayy too much, just look at the gameday thread how some people react after a single play. It's a 162 game season, it is guaranteed to be filled with many ups and downs, and at this rate you'll be bald by September

SoxSpeed22
04-14-2005, 11:53 PM
Walker is left handed.I was wrong.:(:
Still, if it was Walker that got lit up today, how would you guys react? Pitchers take a while before they know what they're doing. Neither one impressed me all that much during ST and Walker didn't beat Cotts for the job according to Ozzie.

Foulke You
04-15-2005, 12:26 AM
I seriously have doubted Cotts ever since day 1 and truely beleive he is not major leage ready at all. I hated to see Cotts make the team over Walker. My opinion of cotts is that someone who consistently struggles to throw strikes in all of or most of his appearances has no place on the major league roster. It was said Cotts is just bad under pressure with runners on, hes is also not that great in his rare mop up duty appearances either. If Cotts cant throw strikes, aviod wild pitches, and get guys out no matter what the situation he should not be on the roster, that is a relievers job. Bring up Walker!!

You read my mind starting this thread. As soon as Cotts came in, I had a feeling the game was lost. I just don't know what Ozzie sees in this guy. Walker definitely should have made the club, and I was surprised he was assigned to AAA.

Here is the problem with Cotts in a nutshell, HE CAN'T THROW BREAKING PITCHES FOR STRIKES. He has himself a nice sneaky fastball, however, the hitters sit dead red on it because they know anything that is a breaking ball isn't going to be close or they simply wait him out until he gives a base on balls. This is a repeating pattern with Neal and has happened since he came up to the bigs. He needs to be sent down to work on his control for his secondary pitches. When he does figure it out, he'll be pretty good, until then, he doesn't belong coming into tie ballgames at the big league level.

GiveMeSox
04-15-2005, 12:31 AM
You read my mind starting this thread. As soon as Cotts came in, I had a feeling the game was lost. I just don't know what Ozzie sees in this guy. Walker definitely should have made the club, and I was surprised he was assigned to AAA.

Here is the problem with Cotts in a nutshell, HE CAN'T THROW BREAKING PITCHES FOR STRIKES. He has himself a nice sneaky fastball, however, the hitters sit dead red on it because they know anything that is a breaking ball isn't going to be close or they simply wait him out until he gives a base on balls. This is a repeating pattern with Neal and has happened since he came up to the bigs. He needs to be sent down to work on his control for his secondary pitches. When he does figure it out, he'll be pretty good, until then, he doesn't belong coming into tie ballgames at the big league level.

I rest my case.

Mohoney
04-15-2005, 12:48 AM
You need that long relief throw-away pitcher, for when a starter gets bombed early or when you get a long extra inning game.

The problem is that this isn't Cotts' role in Ozzie's eyes.

Ozzie sees Cotts as a lefty specialist that will be called upon to get key outs in tight situations. It's a role that he will undoubtedly fail in if he can't throw strikes.

I just wish we would put pitchers in according to the inning instead of according to the arm that they throw with. Politte is a 6th or 7th inning guy, Marte can pitch anywhere from the 6th to the 8th, Vizcaino and Hermanson are 7th or 8th inning guys with the ability to close in a pinch, and Shingo is the primary 9th inning guy. I trust all 5 of these guys to get the job done more often than not in these roles. Cotts is junk duty when we're up by 5 or more, our starter gets lifted early due to injury/ineffectiveness, or a game has gone well into extra innings.

If you break it down into "viable options", Politte is a very good option to be the 1st guy out of the pen in the 6th or 7th, and then if you want to play these matchup games, you can do it with the late-inning combination of Marte, Vizcaino, and Hermanson. Just make sure that, in a close game, you hold one of these 4 guys back in addition to Cotts in case the game goes extra innings. Don't use 3 relievers in one inning.

If these lefty/righty matchups are going to be this prevalent all season, we will definitely need to add a situational lefty so Cotts can slide to a 12th pitcher role. He simply doesn't throw strikes with the consistency required to pitch in crucial relief situations.

Mohoney
04-15-2005, 12:54 AM
Still, if it was Walker that got lit up today, how would you guys react?

It depends. I wouldn't have minded if Neal made decent pitches and a good hitting team (which Cleveland is, in my opinion) touched him up. But when you walk 2 guys and hit another (it would have been ball 4 anyway), you're not making the other team earn it. You're just giving it to them. That is something that I can't let slide.

owensmouth
04-15-2005, 02:35 AM
Cotts gave up 2 runs in two innings, Hernandez gave up six runs in five innings, yet no one is calling for La Dukee to be sent away, just Cotts.

Ozzie made a crappy decision when allowed Hernandez to start the sixth, after barly escaping the fifth. Cotts was already warmed up, he should have brought him in.

Defensively, Uribe made a couple of mistakes, both allowed in runs.

Ozzie sees a bunch of left handed batters on the Injuns, so he'd rather use Cotts that a righthander. He probably had concerns that some righty would duplicate Shingo's performance from a week ago.

Cotts is no worse, and probably better, than anyone else we have in our system that could replace him.

jordan23ventura
04-15-2005, 02:56 AM
Cotts gave up 2 runs in two innings, Hernandez gave up six runs in five innings, yet no one is calling for La Dukee to be sent away, just Cotts.

Ozzie made a crappy decision when allowed Hernandez to start the sixth, after barly escaping the fifth. Cotts was already warmed up, he should have brought him in.

Defensively, Uribe made a couple of mistakes, both allowed in runs.

Ozzie sees a bunch of left handed batters on the Injuns, so he'd rather use Cotts that a righthander. He probably had concerns that some righty would duplicate Shingo's performance from a week ago.

Cotts is no worse, and probably better, than anyone else we have in our system that could replace him.

Cotts has had control issues for some time now, but I tend to agree with you mostly. People aren't calling out Uribe and El Duque because these guys have proven themselves, Uribe with the glove and El Duque in the playoffs over and over again with the Yanks. They have much more room for error.

I must be in the slim minority here but I think Cotts will eventually settle down and become a good pitcher, although I don't know if I would want him as my lefty specialist. It would be nice to see him go back down to Charlotte to start as I think that will be the best way to help his control issues. I would think it would be easier for someone like him to make a pitch in a pressureless AAA game than in a tight situation in the bigs. Plus, the more work the better.

But as has already been pointed out, who do we bring up? Walker? Look at his career numbers. He had a great ST minus I think only one or two bad outings, but he could just as easily fall apart IMO. Until KW can net a lefty in a trade, we will just have to make do and hope that he can get it together.

chisoxt
04-15-2005, 04:28 AM
Oh, for crying out loud people. How much (or little) has Cotts pitched this year? Not a lot. How can you expect him to be sharp? The problem with Cotts is that he has been miscasted as a mop up guy.

Yes, he should be sent down, but only to get in more work, and perhaps to learn another pitch.

Bobbo35
04-15-2005, 06:38 AM
It always seems like Ozzie puts Cott's in these close situations and he usually gets shelled. I would work it a different way and only put him in if we are up by 5 or more runs. You need a hurler like damaso or hermanson in.

VivaOzzie
04-15-2005, 07:00 AM
You read my mind starting this thread. As soon as Cotts came in, I had a feeling the game was lost. I just don't know what Ozzie sees in this guy. Walker definitely should have made the club, and I was surprised he was assigned to AAA.

Here is the problem with Cotts in a nutshell, HE CAN'T THROW BREAKING PITCHES FOR STRIKES. He has himself a nice sneaky fastball, however, the hitters sit dead red on it because they know anything that is a breaking ball isn't going to be close or they simply wait him out until he gives a base on balls. This is a repeating pattern with Neal and has happened since he came up to the bigs. He needs to be sent down to work on his control for his secondary pitches. When he does figure it out, he'll be pretty good, until then, he doesn't belong coming into tie ballgames at the big league level.

Second that. Second everything. I like the guy, but he cant handle pressure situations like tonight. I felt uncomfortable the second he came in. I think he can be decent, but not late in a tie ballgame.
Although i like Ozzie giving him a try in this situation. He'll give him a chance, and hopefully learn his lesson....

harwar
04-15-2005, 07:27 AM
The reason that Cotts looks raw and unseasoned is because he is.
Years ago guys like Neal cotts would have had all the time they needed down in the minors learning how to pitch and sharpening their skills.
In todays baseball they just bring kids up and turn them lose on ML hitters and hope for the best.
There's no question that Cotts should be getting his innings in as a starter doen in the minors but that not how they run the game any longer.
Every now and then a guy comes along who is mature beyond his years and is a pure natural pitching machine.
Brandon McCarthy may be one of those guys but i sure hope they don't put him up on the line before he's ready.

DaveIsHere
04-15-2005, 08:30 AM
Cotts made a good pitch to Hafner with 2 strikes and didnt get the call, it was a very good pitch. If he would have gotten that call, he struck out the next couple guys, would not have been an issue

kittle42
04-15-2005, 09:31 AM
It always seems like Ozzie puts Cott's in these close situations and he usually gets shelled. I would work it a different way and only put him in if we are up by 5 or more runs. You need a hurler like damaso or hermanson in.

You have got to be kidding me.

kittle42
04-15-2005, 09:33 AM
Where is that damn "sky is falling" tag?

Here's a thread idea: When the Sox next lose, which player will automatically get a whole overreactive thread devoted to how sucky he is?

daveeym
04-15-2005, 09:34 AM
Lip start inspectigating. I want to know what the full blown ugly details are about kelly wunsch. Who did he piss off? Why did they insists on only using him for 5 pitchers when all the guy did was get outs and throw strikes? Bozos like cotts get chance after chance where wunsch was shown the door and all this animosity hovered about that was never explained. Really wish we had him after a cotts outing like that.

gosox41
04-15-2005, 09:54 AM
I seriously have doubted Cotts ever since day 1 and truely beleive he is not major leage ready at all. I hated to see Cotts make the team over Walker. My opinion of cotts is that someone who consistently struggles to throw strikes in all of or most of his appearances has no place on the major league roster. It was said Cotts is just bad under pressure with runners on, hes is also not that great in his rare mop up duty appearances either. If Cotts cant throw strikes, aviod wild pitches, and get guys out no matter what the situation he should not be on the roster, that is a relievers job. Bring up Walker!!


I never liked Cotts. Pitchers who can't throw strikes consistently annoy me. He may have a wonderful arm, deceptive deliever, etc. but he lacks consistency. Send him to the minors or he can also be excellent trade bait.


Bob

tstrike2000
04-15-2005, 11:16 AM
I never liked Cotts. Pitchers who can't throw strikes consistently annoy me. He may have a wonderful arm, deceptive deliever, etc. but he lacks consistency. Send him to the minors or he can also be excellent trade bait.


Bob

I seem to agree with a lot of your posts. I think that is well put. Most Sox fans are tired of being on the edge of their seat when it comes to our pitching in the past. Cotts has talent but has never had below a 5.65 ERA in his short time here. You need some more piece of mind out of the bullpen as we get farther into the season, especially with our 3-4-5 starters. The minors obviously is the good place to start with Cotts.

Foulke You
04-15-2005, 11:43 AM
Where is that damn "sky is falling" tag?

Here's a thread idea: When the Sox next lose, which player will automatically get a whole overreactive thread devoted to how sucky he is?
I don't think this is overreacting. When did anyone say this is going to cost us the division? I still believe in the team, but like others here, we have identified a glaring weakness in the bullpen that should be corrected to make the team better. I haven't been happy with our lefty situation since Kelly Wunsch left, this isn't a knee jerk reaction to one game. Cotts showed me nothing last year except a nice fastball and zero command of his breaking pitches and he continues to do so this year.

I'm a KW fan but one can't wonder sometimes if Cotts is getting the benefit of the doubt because he is all we have left to show for the Keith Foulke trade. Bottom line, Kevin Walker threw the ball better than Cotts in ST yet he didn't make the team. I just hope Cotts doesn't cost us anymore games before they figure out we need a different left hander up here.

wdelaney72
04-15-2005, 12:00 PM
Cotts made a good pitch to Hafner with 2 strikes and didnt get the call, it was a very good pitch. If he would have gotten that call, he struck out the next couple guys, would not have been an issue

Ding Ding!!

Hafner should have been a strike out.

maurice
04-15-2005, 12:18 PM
Where is that damn "sky is falling" tag?

Ask and you shall receive:
:chickenlittle

Here're a few more for good measure:
:threadblows: :prozac :threadsucks

veeter
04-15-2005, 12:24 PM
Cotts is not a major league pitcher. It's a shame that Josh Stewart or McCarthy couldn't be put into that long relief position, though I definitely know why. It would just be great to have a lights out relief crew. Cotts does however have a major league arm. He had a great spring so he deserved to make the team. Give the guy a little more time and see what happens. But please don't say they should use Josh Stewart. If anyone has proven they suck bigtime it's Stewart. That guy is real bad.

Ol' No. 2
04-15-2005, 12:39 PM
Ding Ding!!

Hafner should have been a strike out.Cotts is a bum. He should have hustled over to SS and picked off that weak ground ball hit right at where Uribe was supposed to be.

Infallible
04-15-2005, 02:31 PM
Wild thing~

Dah Da

Dah na Nah

Nah Da Dah


You suck..........

mealfred13
04-15-2005, 02:43 PM
Cotts made a good pitch to Hafner with 2 strikes and didnt get the call, it was a very good pitch. If he would have gotten that call, he struck out the next couple guys, would not have been an issue

Exactly what I said in the Gameday thread. I don't like blaming the Ump for a loss, but sometimes they deserve it.

That pitch swept right across the plate from left to right and ended up on the outside corner. Had they called it, we would have been out of the inning 2 strikeouts later.

I think maybe we should start removing threads about "This guy cost us the game" or "This guy sucks" until we have legitamate reasons like the good old "Valentin drops an easy pop-up allowing the winning run with 2 outs" we've been so accustomed to the past couple years.

FarWestChicago
04-15-2005, 02:53 PM
Are we gonna do this to the game goat every time we lose? This is my first season being part of this site and already I've seen more side switching than ever. This is gonna be the longest season I have lived through.This is really a great site if you avoid the Clubhouse and What's the Score. :D:

FarWestChicago
04-15-2005, 02:57 PM
I don't think this is overreacting.Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but you are wrong. This place is a complete insane asylum this week. It's so bad, it's absolutely hysterical. :D:

Ol' No. 2
04-15-2005, 02:59 PM
Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but you are wrong. This place is a complete insane asylum this week. It's so bad, it's absolutely hysterical. :D:I'm really glad to hear you say that. I came in the end of last season and I've been wondering if it was always like this. Nine games into the season and people are coming completely unhinged. I honestly wonder how some people are going to make it to October without shock therapy.

FarWestChicago
04-15-2005, 03:02 PM
I'm really glad to hear you say that. I came in the end of last season and I've been wondering if it was always like this. Nine games into the season and people are coming completely unhinged. I honestly wonder how some people are going to make it to October without shock therapy.Appreciate the comedic aspect of the Clubhouse or enjoy the rest of the board. I think that's the best strategy. :cool:

Foulke You
04-15-2005, 03:22 PM
I'm really glad to hear you say that. I came in the end of last season and I've been wondering if it was always like this. Nine games into the season and people are coming completely unhinged. I honestly wonder how some people are going to make it to October without shock therapy.

Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but you are wrong. This place is a complete insane asylum this week. It's so bad, it's absolutely hysterical. :D:
While I can't comment on some of the other threads, as far as this one goes, I see nothing wrong with people here complaining about a perceived weakness in the ballclub like Neal Cotts. Isn't that what the clubhouse is for? To discuss all things White Sox? As I and others on this thread said before, it isn't a knee jerk reaction nor is it overreacting. We are simply discussing whether Neal Cotts has the ability and the stones to be an effective left handed setup man in our bullpen. A valid discussion after watching him stink up the joint for most of 2004 and now again in 2005 wouldn't you say? I don't think it merits dropping the "This Thread Blows" tags for having this discussion. Now, had everyone chimed on this thread and said "NEAL COTTS WILL COST US THIS DIVISION, WE ARE FINISHED, AND OZZIE SHOULD BE FIRED FOR USING HIM!" than yes, it would be deserved to use the "Sky is Falling" tag.

Ol' No. 2
04-15-2005, 03:34 PM
While I can't comment on some of the other threads, as far as this one goes, I see nothing wrong with people here complaining about a perceived weakness in the ballclub like Neal Cotts. Isn't that what the clubhouse is for? To discuss all things White Sox? As I and others on this thread said before, it isn't a knee jerk reaction nor is it overreacting. We are simply discussing whether Neal Cotts has the ability and the stones to be an effective left handed setup man in our bullpen. A valid discussion after watching him stink up the joint for most of 2004 and now again in 2005 wouldn't you say? I don't think it merits dropping the "This Thread Blows" tags for having this discussion. Now, had everyone chimed on this thread and said "NEAL COTTS WILL COST US THIS DIVISION, WE ARE FINISHED, AND OZZIE SHOULD BE FIRED FOR USING HIM!" than yes, it would be deserved to use the "Sky is Falling" tag.If any reliever who ever gets scored upon is stinking up the joint, then we should get rid of them all. You might have a hard time finding replacements, though. Cotts gave up one BB, one hit that shouldn't have been and a double. If Uribe plays that grounder and gets the force out at second, it's likely only one run would have scored. If Rowand had run through the bag instead of diving, he would have been safe and scored on Uribe's double in the 8th. With one fewer out, Uribe may have scored instead of being left on 3rd. Sox win 8-6 instead of losing by the same score. But the hell with that - let's blame it all on Cotts instead.

I just find it amusing that every loss has to be because of managerial incompetance or because someone sucks. There is another team out there.

hawkjt
04-15-2005, 04:25 PM
I agree that cotts has control issues. But he had Hafner struck out. BS call. And then he proceeded to fan the next 3 guys after the runs. He has a very good arm and if and when he can throw strikes he will be good. Meanwhile we will have to live with it.

Our lefties all have problems throwing strikes to lefty hitters. So Marte,Cotts,and Burls are better against righthanders IMO. This is not the way it is supposed to work.

Foulke You
04-15-2005, 04:50 PM
If any reliever who ever gets scored upon is stinking up the joint, then we should get rid of them all. You might have a hard time finding replacements, though. Cotts gave up one BB, one hit that shouldn't have been and a double. If Uribe plays that grounder and gets the force out at second, it's likely only one run would have scored. If Rowand had run through the bag instead of diving, he would have been safe and scored on Uribe's double in the 8th. With one fewer out, Uribe may have scored instead of being left on 3rd. Sox win 8-6 instead of losing by the same score. But the hell with that - let's blame it all on Cotts instead.

I just find it amusing that every loss has to be because of managerial incompetance or because someone sucks. There is another team out there.
Cotts didn't get the ump's call and the failed wheel play hurt, but am I supposed to ignore the walk, hit batsman, and the meatball he delivered on the next pitch after the bad call? The batter sat dead red on his fastball because he knew there was no way Cotts was going to throw the breaking pitch with the count 3-2. Why? Because they KNOW he can't throw the breaking pitch for strikes consistently. If Neal's 2004 campaign doesn't qualify as "stinking up the joint", I don't know what does. Cotts had an E.R.A. of 5.65 (TERRIBLE for a reliever), a bad strikeout/walk ratio, and gave up 13 long balls in 56 appearances. In my world, that stinks.

I don't call for a reliever's head after 1 bad outing. With Cotts it is a repeating pattern of a guy who is not quite ready for prime time. Damaso Marte doomed me to a long bus ride home last year against the Cubs after walking in the winning run but I wasn't calling for his head because y'know what? Marte is an EFFECTIVE left hander and has been effective for long stretches in the big leagues. Cotts HAS NEVER BEEN EFFECTIVE. Honestly, I'm not seeing where this Neal Cotts love is coming from.

You can continue to paint me into the doom and gloom naysayer crowd who overreacts and blames the manager and hint that I should root for the Cubs. The only topic I'm discussing here is Neal Cotts not being a quality Major League left handed reliever. It is a mistake to have him with the big league club and bring him in to pitch in close games.

Ol' No. 2
04-15-2005, 04:58 PM
Cotts didn't get the ump's call and the failed wheel play hurt, but am I supposed to ignore the walk, hit batsman, and the meatball he delivered on the next pitch after the bad call? The batter sat dead red on his fastball because he knew there was no way Cotts was going to throw the breaking pitch with the count 3-2. Why? Because they KNOW he can't throw the breaking pitch for strikes consistently. If Neal's 2004 campaign doesn't qualify as "stinking up the joint", I don't know what does. Cotts had an E.R.A. of 5.65 (TERRIBLE for a reliever), a bad strikeout/walk ratio, and gave up 13 long balls in 56 appearances. In my world, that stinks.

I don't call for a reliever's head after 1 bad outing. With Cotts it is a repeating pattern of a guy who is not quite ready for prime time. Damaso Marte doomed me to a long bus ride home last year against the Cubs after walking in the winning run but I wasn't calling for his head because y'know what? Marte is an EFFECTIVE left hander and has been effective for long stretches in the big leagues. Cotts HAS NEVER BEEN EFFECTIVE. Honestly, I'm not seeing where this Neal Cotts love is coming from.

You can continue to paint me into the doom and gloom naysayer crowd who overreacts and blames the manager and hint that I should root for the Cubs. The only topic I'm discussing here is Neal Cotts not being a quality Major League left handed reliever. It is a mistake to have him with the big league club and bring him in to pitch in close games.About 90% of the posts here today are along the lines of:

Damn. They lost last night because of (insert name of favorite whipping boy here).

This is more of the same. In the history of baseball there have been a lot of teams a lot better than the 2005 White Sox and none of them came close to a perfect season. Not every loss is due to managerial incompetance or because somebody sucks. There's another major league team on the field, and they have professionals, too. Everybody please get a grip. Otherwise, the line forms to the left.

:therapy:

FarWestChicago
04-15-2005, 09:02 PM
While I can't comment on some of the other threads, as far as this one goes, I see nothing wrong with people here complaining about a perceived weakness in the ballclub like Neal Cotts. Isn't that what the clubhouse is for? To discuss all things White Sox? As I and others on this thread said before, it isn't a knee jerk reaction nor is it overreacting. We are simply discussing whether Neal Cotts has the ability and the stones to be an effective left handed setup man in our bullpen. A valid discussion after watching him stink up the joint for most of 2004 and now again in 2005 wouldn't you say? I don't think it merits dropping the "This Thread Blows" tags for having this discussion. Now, had everyone chimed on this thread and said "NEAL COTTS WILL COST US THIS DIVISION, WE ARE FINISHED, AND OZZIE SHOULD BE FIRED FOR USING HIM!" than yes, it would be deserved to use the "Sky is Falling" tag.I didn't say you shouldn't post. But, this place has been a complete nuthouse lately. Well, more than lately. It needs to be approached with a sense of humor or avoided if you are going to take it seriously. It's actually a lot of fun if you look at it the right way. :D:

shoota
04-15-2005, 11:30 PM
cotts sucks