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SouthSide4Life
04-13-2005, 10:23 PM
man lemme tell ya, ski had my heart pumpin tonight... i mean defensivly the guy was a mess. im not worried too much tho. however i am gettin a little nervous about paulie

Unregistered
04-13-2005, 10:26 PM
man lemme tell ya, ski had my heart pumpin tonight... i mean defensivly the guy was a mess. im not worried too much tho. however i am gettin a little nervous about paulieI'm not sure how much that was AJ and how much was Contreras' wildness in the first couple of innings. The Cleveland announcers seemed to think the latter.

After Contreras settled down, AJ was obviously not letting balls get past him, not to mention nailed a runner trying to steal second.

doublem23
04-13-2005, 10:26 PM
Granted, I didn't watch the whole game, but how bad could he have been? Hell, the only thing that sticks out in my mind is the sick throw he put on Crisp to catch the little **** stealing in the 5th (not 100% sure about the inning).

Unregistered
04-13-2005, 10:33 PM
Granted, I didn't watch the whole game, but how bad could he have been? Hell, the only thing that sticks out in my mind is the sick throw he put on Crisp to catch the little **** stealing in the 5th (not 100% sure about the inning).Well he did drop that throw from Ozuna that scored Coco Crisp... kinda forgot about that one. :cool:

FightingBillini
04-13-2005, 10:34 PM
He dropped two balls at the plate.
The first one was a throw from Dye. It was offline, but if he caught it, he would have probably been able to tag out the runner.
The second one was a throw from Pablo. It was a bullet on the money, and he dropped it, letting in the run.

I guess you cant assume the first run wouldnt have scored, though it most likely wouldnt have. However, the 2nd was a sure out, and AJ probably makes that play 99 out of 100 times.

Im glad he overcame it and got the huge double in the 10th.

Daver
04-13-2005, 10:37 PM
AJ went out of his way today to prove that the cather is a defensive position, he had three dropped balls on runners at the plate, one that was a sure out.

I don't care what the guy's BA is, he flat out sucks as a catcher.

shoota
04-13-2005, 10:39 PM
Well he did drop that throw from Ozuna that scored Coco Crisp... kinda forgot about that one. :cool:

That was an easy ball to catch. A nice true one-hopper that hit his glove. I think he let a runner score on his passed ball. He did throw out Crisp attempting to steal though. AJ also threw an inaccurate throw to second on an attempted steal that was short and towards the third base side of second. Though in his defense, a good throw still wouldn't have gotten the runner out. No harm on that one.

Also, remember last series when Politte dropped that pop-up? AJ had no idea where the ball was.

Brian26
04-13-2005, 10:39 PM
AJ redeemed himself with the clutch double in the 10th and the nice slide into third on Crede's botched bunt. He won the game for us.

Whitesox029
04-13-2005, 10:40 PM
man lemme tell ya, ski had my heart pumpin tonight... i mean defensivly the guy was a mess. im not worried too much tho. however i am gettin a little nervous about paulie
Konerko's funk started with Santana. He got him all off balance. I suggest in future that Ross Gload start against Santana, lefty or not. Santana seems to have had an effect on Paul. Gload should also start tomorrow and Paulie should get his timing back down with some intensive live batting practice and a session with Walk'.

Bobbo35
04-13-2005, 10:46 PM
Ya, Paulie better not be becoming a headcase like he was in '03. He will be alright though. He gets flustered easily like Crede has been getting for the past 3 years.

Daver
04-13-2005, 10:54 PM
AJ redeemed himself with the clutch double in the 10th and the nice slide into third on Crede's botched bunt. He won the game for us.

Ummm, if it wasn't for his crappy defense the game would have never reached the tenth.

He did not win the game, his incompetence nearly lost it.

doublem23
04-13-2005, 11:02 PM
Normally I'd agree with you, Daver, but I don't think this is the kind of line-up that can afford to hide a weak bat, no matter what the position is. We really need A.J.'s left-handed stick in the line-up, and I honestly think whatever he might cost us in his defense will be far outweighed by what he brings to the team offensively. That, and it's pretty clear that he has a good repoir with the starters.

That, and he's got the attitude this team hasn't had since '00 and needed desperately.

Who wants to donate to the "Give Doub $200 so he can buy one of these fund?" :tongue:

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FightingBillini
04-13-2005, 11:05 PM
Normally I'd agree with you, Daver, but I don't think this is the kind of line-up that can afford to hide a weak bat, no matter what the position is. We really need A.J.'s left-handed stick in the line-up, and I honestly think whatever he might cost us in his defense will be far outweighed by what he brings to the team offensively. That, and it's pretty clear that he has a good repoir with the starters.

That, and he's got the attitude this team hasn't had since '00 and needed desperately.

Who wants to donate to the "Give Doub $200 so he can buy one of these fund?" :tongue:

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Where did you get that picture?

daveeym
04-13-2005, 11:05 PM
Ummm, if it wasn't for his crappy defense the game would have never reached the tenth.

He did not win the game, his incompetence nearly lost it.So credit's due only when it's bad?:?:

doublem23
04-13-2005, 11:07 PM
Where did you gete that picture?

The White Sox MLB.com shop (http://shop.mlb.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=1503496&cp=1452347.1452701).

Just click on the jersey you want and you can customize the display to show whatever name and number you want. They have about 40-50 names pre-programmed, the entire 40 man roster, I believe, and some notables (Ordonez, etc.) or you could also generate a totally customized preview, too.

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SouthSide4Life
04-13-2005, 11:16 PM
to say that AJ "flat out sucks" as a catcher is a bit harsh. especially reviewing his previous MLB career. hes a solid player. period. ok so he's gonna get runned on... he'll come around. in addition AJs leftyness is highly sought after especially in the form of a catcher all im sayin is he made me sit up a little higher in my seat tonight

Fake Chet Lemon
04-13-2005, 11:16 PM
Paulie seems lost when a change up is thrown. He'll be fine, even better if we can get Frank back in the lineup.

Shorty1983
04-13-2005, 11:22 PM
A.J will walk in tomorrow in a good mood and have his A game, after watching Tomko get lit up with 4 runs today.

Kadafi311
04-13-2005, 11:28 PM
Ummm, if it wasn't for his crappy defense the game would have never reached the tenth.

He did not win the game, his incompetence nearly lost it.

Where's my jump to conclusions mat when I need it...

One bad defensive outing and he's incompetent? You truly are a Sox fan :cool:

MRKARNO
04-13-2005, 11:33 PM
One bad defensive outing and he's incompetent? You truly are a Sox fan :cool:

Daver has taken the same position since the question of acquiring AJ was brought up.

Additionally, AJ has never exactly been known for his defense, as much as his offensive ability.

mmmmmbeeer
04-13-2005, 11:43 PM
The Cleveland broadcasters brought up an interesting point on the Ozuna drop at the plate...why was AJ still wearing his mask? I'm not a catcher so I don't know what 'standard protocol' would be in that kind of situation but I'd have to assume you'd want your mask off to improve your vision. But hey, AJ redeemed himself and brought us a win

Unregistered
04-13-2005, 11:45 PM
Daver has taken the same position since the question of acquiring AJ was brought up.

Additionally, AJ has never exactly been known for his defense, as much as his offensive ability.I think it should also be noted that, unless I'm wrong here, AJ has called most of the games for a pitching staff that leads the AL in ERA.

Kadafi311
04-13-2005, 11:45 PM
Daver has taken the same position since the question of acquiring AJ was brought up.

Additionally, AJ has never exactly been known for his defense, as much as his offensive ability.

I wouldn't argue with either of those statements. However, this was his first poor defensive outing since he was acquired. That was my point. Average defensively with a solid bat... yes. Incompetent... no.

batmanZoSo
04-13-2005, 11:47 PM
Ummm, if it wasn't for his crappy defense the game would have never reached the tenth.

He did not win the game, his incompetence nearly lost it.

This is one game. His bat will win us more games than the .230-Olivo/Alomar combo did with their superior gloves. He's not Mike Piazza, but actually getting production out of that spot will prove to be big for this team.

MRKARNO
04-13-2005, 11:50 PM
I think it should also be noted that, unless I'm wrong here, AJ has called most of the games for a pitching staff that leads the AL in ERA.

Widger called the 2-1 victory over Cleveland, but otherwise, AJ's game calling does not seem to have been a problem whatsoever. I havent been paying much attention to it lately, but at least it's not a minus and probably it's a plus.

Iwritecode
04-14-2005, 01:24 AM
Where's my jump to conclusions mat when I need it...

Nice 'Office Space' reference. :cool:

BRDSR
04-14-2005, 01:53 AM
AJ redeemed himself with the clutch double in the 10th and the nice slide into third on Crede's botched bunt. He won the game for us.

I don't know if you saw his slide into third but it was legitimately one of the worst slides I've ever seen. His cleat got stuck about 6 inches before the base and if the throw had been any better he'd have been tagged out just popping up from the slide. As it was, he kind of popped up and did a little skip and a jump to get to the base. He was darn lucky the throw wasn't better.

popilius
04-14-2005, 02:01 AM
You also have to take into account what Ozzie and Bill Melton are saying; that the Sox pitchers feel comfortable throwing to him. Any of us who have pitched know what that means, and feeling comfortable throwing to a certain catcher can go a long way, even if your defense isn't 'superior.'

:gulp:

wdelaney72
04-14-2005, 09:41 AM
I think Daver's being a bit extreme on this one. I agree AJ doesn't have the best glove, but you have to factor in his game calling. There are wrose defensive catchers than AJ.

What makes me nervous is AJ catching for Contreras. I'd be much more comfortable with Widger behind the dish on days that Contreras pitches.

soxtalker
04-14-2005, 09:55 AM
Could someone expound upon the "handling pitchers" part of the catcher's job? It seems that the Sox place a heavy emphasis on it; that's probably the major reason that Olivo isn't still here. Yes, his BA was low, and Seattle wanted him in the trade, but a lot of pitchers just didn't want him behind the plate when they were pitching. They do seem to like AJ.

maurice
04-14-2005, 01:53 PM
The Cleveland broadcasters brought up an interesting point on the Ozuna drop at the plate...why was AJ still wearing his mask?

In case he actually catches the ball, and the runner hits him in the face.
Brad Ausmus (http://www.cardsclubhouse.com/photos/index.php?cat=misc&topic=Play%20at%20the%20Plate&id=671)
Jason Kendall (http://www.cardsclubhouse.com/photos/index.php?cat=misc&topic=Play%20at%20the%20Plate&id=772)
Eddie Perez (http://www.cardsclubhouse.com/photos/index.php?cat=misc&topic=Play%20at%20the%20Plate&id=1089)
Jason Phillips (http://www.cardsclubhouse.com/photos/index.php?cat=misc&topic=Play%20at%20the%20Plate&id=1237)
Mike Matheny 1 (http://www.cardsclubhouse.com/photos/index.php?cat=misc&topic=Play%20at%20the%20Plate&id=720)
Mike Matheny 2 (http://www.cardsclubhouse.com/photos/index.php?cat=misc&topic=Play%20at%20the%20Plate&id=895#)

ja1022
04-14-2005, 03:10 PM
The Cleveland broadcasters brought up an interesting point on the Ozuna drop at the plate...why was AJ still wearing his mask? I'm not a catcher so I don't know what 'standard protocol' would be in that kind of situation but I'd have to assume you'd want your mask off to improve your vision. But hey, AJ redeemed himself and brought us a win


In case he actually catches the ball, and the runner hits him in the face.
Brad Ausmus (http://www.cardsclubhouse.com/photos/index.php?cat=misc&topic=Play%20at%20the%20Plate&id=671)
Jason Kendall (http://www.cardsclubhouse.com/photos/index.php?cat=misc&topic=Play%20at%20the%20Plate&id=772)
Eddie Perez (http://www.cardsclubhouse.com/photos/index.php?cat=misc&topic=Play%20at%20the%20Plate&id=1089)
Jason Phillips (http://www.cardsclubhouse.com/photos/index.php?cat=misc&topic=Play%20at%20the%20Plate&id=1237)
Mike Matheny 1 (http://www.cardsclubhouse.com/photos/index.php?cat=misc&topic=Play%20at%20the%20Plate&id=720)
Mike Matheny 2 (http://www.cardsclubhouse.com/photos/index.php?cat=misc&topic=Play%20at%20the%20Plate&id=895#)

When catchers wear hockey style goalie head gear they're taught to leave their "masks" on. In addition to protecting against runner contact as Maurice said, it also protects against a bouncing or deflected ball in the face. As the father of a young catcher I am trying hard to break him of his habit of throwing away his hockey style head gear on plays at the plate. I'd rather have him potentially give up a little visibility for extra protection in return.