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spawn
04-13-2005, 08:59 PM
Got this from a Tigers chat board:


From Tom Gage:

Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 5:42 PM

Magglio Out Again

from Minneapolis - Magglio Ordonez is out of the Tigers' lineup again and is returning to Detroit for tests because of a sore groin. He told Manager Alan Trammell on Wednesday that he woke up and felt some soreness. Trammell said he feels it's a continuation of his abdominal inflammation and not muscular, but that's why Ordonez is returning to Detroit - they need to be sure.
Marcus Thames, not Bobby Higginson, replaces him in the lineup against right-hander Kyle Lohse.


Seems KW may have been right to be wary of Maggs...and the Tiger fans on this site are getting a little suspicious as well...

http://www.motownsports.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26519&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

RKMeibalane
04-13-2005, 09:03 PM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Frank Thomas will play in more games this season than Magglio Ordonez.

Unregistered
04-13-2005, 09:03 PM
Ha, ridiculous.

Meanwhile, he's still 0-fer the season.

samram
04-13-2005, 09:07 PM
On one level, I feel bad for the guy, only because I don't want to see anyone hurt, but on another, I find this so damn amusing because there's no doubt in my mind that the muscular injuries are knee-related, if not the knee itself.

RKMeibalane
04-13-2005, 09:09 PM
:KW

"Neener, neener, neener!"

Unregistered
04-13-2005, 09:23 PM
A couple posts of note in that same thread:


Originally posted by TigersMeow79
White Sox win again. With a Tigers loss they would only be 3.5 out of first. Who said the Sox would be awful this year? Originally posted by Adams Brush St
the scary thing is that the white sox aren't just winning.... they are winning the right way, night in and night out.
:)

spawn
04-13-2005, 09:27 PM
I didn't read the whole thread...wow...a compliment from a Tigers fan. I guess they're not all bad!:D:

Flight #24
04-14-2005, 12:23 AM
Rotoworld has this quote from Tigers management

''He felt fine after the game yesterday, but this morning he called and said he was sick,'' GM Dave Dombrowski said.

Oh, so he SAYS he feels sick, that must be it then. Just like he said he was ready to play in November......

Dopes.

Clement's beard
04-14-2005, 12:27 AM
Rotoworld has this quote from Tigers management

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Oh, so he SAYS he feels sick, that must be it then. Just like he said he was ready to play in November......

Dopes.

100 million just aint what it used to be. :cool: Man, the Tigers got a lemon and they should hope that Ordonez does not reach the incentives for games played. I think they have an out on that horrific contract they gave him. This was easily the dumbest signing of the off season.

mealfred13
04-14-2005, 12:35 AM
I also liked this quote from their thread, and encourage everyone to read page 6 of it:

quote:Originally posted by estrepe1
What does winning the right way mean?

Maybe they have starting pitching that gives them a lot of innings and they don't have players talking smack about how crappy the rest of the teams are in their division. Maybe they just go about their business professionally.

SOX ADDICT '73
04-14-2005, 01:07 AM
Sounds like Magg$ just has a bad case of Baseball-itis. Prescription: take 15 million dollars and call me in the morning.

I've said it before, but when Or*DONE*ez is limping around his chicken farm in two years, or doing TV spots for a Venezuelan used car wholesaler, he's going to cry himself to sleep at night thinking about all that deferred money Uncle Jerry was offering. :whiner:

FightingBillini
04-14-2005, 01:28 AM
Sounds like Magg$ just has a bad case of Baseball-itis. Prescription: take 15 million dollars and call me in the morning.

I've said it before, but when Or*DONE*ez is limping around his chicken farm in two years, or doing TV spots for a Venezuelan used car wholesaler, he's going to cry himself to sleep at night thinking about all that deferred money Uncle Jerry was offering. :whiner:
You are forgetting he got a bigger contract from the Tigers than JR ever offered when he was healthy. The Tigers had to grossley overpay for him just to get him to come to Detroit. He is making more money than Vlad Guerrero. He couldn't hold Vlad's jockstrap even when healthy. H might be sitting at home in Venezuela two years from now, but he wont be crying. He will be swimming through his money bin like Uncle Scrooge.

Fredsox
04-14-2005, 06:34 AM
I'm sorry for the guy, though I'm sure his bank account will make him feel better. If this situation keeps up it strikes me that Tigers management and their legal department might start looking at ways to limit their exposure, if such ways exist.

samram
04-14-2005, 07:21 AM
I'm sorry for the guy, though I'm sure his bank account will make him feel better. If this situation keeps up it strikes me that Tigers management and their legal department might start looking at ways to limit their exposure, if such ways exist.

Well, they have an out clause which has been discussed ad nauseam on these boards. My question is when do the Tigers start asking what the real story is because they're not going to let him just sit out with The Ailment of the Day for six months without finding out whether it really is the knee or not.

spawn
04-14-2005, 08:22 AM
Here's the part that smells fishy to me:

Magglio Ordonez is out of the Tigers' lineup again and is returning to Detroit for tests because of a sore groin.
Why does he need to return to Detroit for tests because of a sore groin? Pods said his groin was a little tight, yet he didn't need to return home for tests. Things that make you go hmmmm.....

wdelaney72
04-14-2005, 08:46 AM
Sounds like Magg$ just has a bad case of Baseball-itis. Prescription: take 15 million dollars and call me in the morning.

I've said it before, but when Or*DONE*ez is limping around his chicken farm in two years, or doing TV spots for a Venezuelan used car wholesaler, he's going to cry himself to sleep at night thinking about all that deferred money Uncle Jerry was offering. :whiner:

:reinsy "Deferred money? That should be in teal. I've said this publicly on multiple occasions. After his injury, we offered him $60 million... cash."

Flight #24
04-14-2005, 09:39 AM
The plot sickens.....

Manager Alan Trammell said he doesn't expect Magglio Ordonez back for tonight's game.
Ordonez went back to Detroit to undergo more extensive tests on his intestinal problem. ''I can't get into specifics, but we're looking to run whatever tests we need to run to get to the bottom of this,'' trainer Kevin Rand said. ''We want to leave no stone unturned. We need to find out why this has continued to plague him.''

No confirmation on whether the "intestinal specialist" happens to be in Austria....

cheeses_h_rice
04-14-2005, 09:46 AM
Can anyone remember ANY time when Maggs was "sick" with the Sox? I don't remember him missing any games of his own volition.

Sure sounds fishy to me.

Jerko
04-14-2005, 09:48 AM
ANYTHING to not go on the DL with a knee related injury. Good luck Tigers proving that.

LongLiveFisk
04-14-2005, 09:59 AM
ANYTHING to not go on the DL with a knee related injury. Good luck Tigers proving that.

Good point....it does seem fishy.

voodoochile
04-14-2005, 09:59 AM
ANYTHING to not go on the DL with a knee related injury. Good luck Tigers proving that.

:TigersDoc:
"No no no... Magglio, we have to inject this dye into your knee to see what's going on in your intestine - standard medical procedure. Now climb into the MRI machine so we can get a good look at the cause of the inflamation... er... discomfort."

RKMeibalane
04-14-2005, 10:13 AM
Magglio Ordonez stands a good chance of being remembered as the biggest "snake in the grass" in baseball history.

:maggs

"I will take your money, and you will like it."

Ol' No. 2
04-14-2005, 10:19 AM
:cleo I predict at least 150 more threads before the end of the season on this continuing soap opera.

Tekijawa
04-14-2005, 10:19 AM
Groin Parasites? Didn't Jose Lima get sued for those last year?

Hangar18
04-14-2005, 10:27 AM
You are forgetting he got a bigger contract from the Tigers than JR ever offered when he was healthy. The Tigers had to grossley overpay for him just to get him to come to Detroit. He is making more money than Vlad Guerrero.

Maggs was one of my all-time favorite players, and I hate the way the whole thing went down, he deserves alot of blame. Just think, had he accepted
that offer, Konerko AND Buehrle would be GONE from this team.
In a sense, us SOX fans got very lucky things played out the way they did.
Unfortuneately, watch for Caballo to be back in Chicago next year .......

Clement's beard
04-14-2005, 10:31 AM
[QUOTE=RKMeibalane

:maggs

"I will take your money, and you will like it."[/QUOTE]


:redneck :roflmao:

Malgar 12
04-14-2005, 10:44 AM
He will be swimming through his money bin like Uncle Scrooge.

Ahh what a great visual! That made me laugh out loud, and took me back to the late 80's, when I used to watch Duck Tales.:D:

SOX ADDICT '73
04-14-2005, 11:26 AM
You are forgetting he got a bigger contract from the Tigers than JR ever offered when he was healthy. The Tigers had to grossley overpay for him just to get him to come to Detroit. He is making more money than Vlad Guerrero. He couldn't hold Vlad's jockstrap even when healthy. H might be sitting at home in Venezuela two years from now, but he wont be crying. He will be swimming through his money bin like Uncle Scrooge.
I'm not forgetting it. I'm operating under the assumption that his huge contract is going to get voided, and he will find himself out of baseball. So, unless he's been investing his money wisely, he's going to wish he had that deferred money.

:reinsy "Deferred money? That should be in teal. I've said this publicly on multiple occasions. After his injury, we offered him $60 million... cash."
I know that, Uncle Jerry. But was that cash was all guaranteed, or was it contingent upon Magg$ playing? Your earlier offer did have some backloaded money (hence no teal), which IIRC was guaranteed. When his Detroit contract gets voided, he gets nada.

But the more I think about it, the more I hope Maggs hangs on just long enough this season to lock in the first five years of that fat contract (without playing well enough to hurt the Sox, of course). I like the idea of so much of Detroit's salary tied up in a one-legged DH for the next little while.

voodoochile
04-14-2005, 11:38 AM
I'm not forgetting it. I'm operating under the assumption that his huge contract is going to get voided, and he will find himself out of baseball. So, unless he's been investing his money wisely, he's going to wish he had that deferred money.

If Maggs isn't taking the opportunity to take this year's guaranteed money ($10M) and set himself up for life than he is a ****ing idiot who deserves whatever fate comes his way. Even with the government taking 40% and his agent taking another 10% there is NO way he shouldn't be able to sock away a couple of million and never have to worry again. He might not be as rich as he wants to be, but with this year and any money he saved in years past (he wasn't making peanuts with the Sox the last few years) he should be fine.

FightingBillini
04-14-2005, 11:39 AM
I'm not forgetting it. I'm operating under the assumption that his huge contract is going to get voided, and he will find himself out of baseball. So, unless he's been investing his money wisely, he's going to wish he had that deferred money.

I said this would happen, and NOBODY believed me. I said he would get a bunch of "mysterious injuries" and miss a lot of game. I said that he would miss games due to "unrelated injuries. Last week he said "oh, my head hurts". Doctors cant exactly look at him and prove his head doesn't hurt. He has to be on the DL for 25 games DUE SPECIFICALLY TO THE PREVIOUS KNEE INJURY in order for the Tigers to void the contract. He will likely be on the DL for 25 games, but it will be due to an upset stomach or a yeast infection or whatever other BS Boras tell him to say. This is gonna be MESSY. Maggs will miss a whole lot of games due to "unrelated" injuries, and when the team gets suspicious, he will likely not let the doctors examine him like he did with the Sox. KW tried - there is no recourse for that. The Tigers will end up taking Ordonez and Boras to court and it will be nasty. I said that Magglio would try to do this, and others on this board said "no, he cant. The team doctors would know. He would have to let them look at him. That will never happen." How are the chances of that looking now? If he only plays in 30 games this year due to an assortment of injuries, do you think the Tigers are gonna sit by and let 4 more years of his contract get guaranteed?

But I'm getting ahead of myself. He pulled a groin. Thats all.

ma_deuce
04-14-2005, 11:40 AM
Unfortuneately, watch for Caballo to be back in Chicago next year .......

Why is that an unfortunate thing? Is he going to the Scrubs or something?

CLee was a very good ballplayer and I loved watching him play. Unfortunately, we had a lot of outfielders available and Carlos was commanding more than the Sox were willing to offer. KW just couldn't afford to both fill the gaps in the infield and resign Lee. He left with class, which is more than anyone can say for Magg$.

We'd be lucky to have old number 45 back, IMO. I don't see it happening though.

voodoochile
04-14-2005, 11:42 AM
Why is that an unfortunate thing? Is he going to the Scrubs or something?

CLee was a very good ballplayer and I loved watching him play. Unfortunately, we had a lot of outfielders available and Carlos was commanding more than the Sox were willing to offer. KW just couldn't afford to both fill the gaps in the infield and resign Lee. He left with class, which is more than anyone can say for Magg$.

We'd be lucky to have old number 45 back, IMO. I don't see it happening though.


It's Hangar and his tinfoil hat. He's NOT predicting the Sox will re-sign Lee.

voodoochile
04-14-2005, 11:43 AM
I said this would happen, and NOBODY believed me. I said he would get a bunch of "mysterious injuries" and miss a lot of game. I said that he would miss games due to "unrelated injuries. Last week he said "oh, my head hurts". Doctors cant exactly look at him and prove his head doesn't hurt. He has to be on the DL for 25 games DUE SPECIFICALLY TO THE PREVIOUS KNEE INJURY in order for the Tigers to void the contract. He will likely be on the DL for 25 games, but it will be due to an upset stomach or a yeast infection or whatever other BS Boras tell him to say. This is gonna be MESSY. Maggs will miss a whole lot of games due to "unrelated" injuries, and when the team gets suspicious, he will likely not let the doctors examine him like he did with the Sox. KW tried - there is no recourse for that. The Tigers will end up taking Ordonez and Boras to court and it will be nasty. I said that Magglio would try to do this, and others on this board said "no, he cant. The team doctors would know. He would have to let them look at him. That will never happen." How are the chances of that looking now? If he only plays in 30 games this year due to an assortment of injuries, do you think the Tigers are gonna sit by and let 4 more years of his contract get guaranteed?

But I'm getting ahead of myself. He pulled a groin. Thats all.

You're dead wrong. Everyone was saying the exact same thing...

Iwritecode
04-14-2005, 11:53 AM
You're dead wrong. Everyone was saying the exact same thing...

Is that more of the jibberish PHG referred to in a couple of other threads??? :rolleyes:

It's already started out interesting and it's only the first week of the season. The docs still have plenty of time to examine him.

TommyJohn
04-14-2005, 12:32 PM
Unfortuneately, watch for Caballo to be back in Chicago next year .......

CHICAGO TRIBUNE SPORTS
July 10, 2005

CARLOS LEE "I WANT TO PLAY FOR THE CUBS NEXT YEAR. PRETTY PLEASE"

Sox win again, hold onto first place

Flight #24
04-14-2005, 12:40 PM
CHICAGO TRIBUNE SPORTS
July 10, 2005

CARLOS LEE "I don't WANT TO PLAY FOR THE CUBS NEXT YEAR. PRETTY PLEASE"

Sox win again, hold onto first place

Fixed your headline.
:D:

Hangar18
04-14-2005, 12:43 PM
It's Hangar and his tinfoil hat. He's NOT predicting the Sox will re-sign Lee.

Carlos Lee will be wearing #45 for the Cubs next season.
The Cubs love Any Player, Any Tradition, Anything at all,
that is White Sox Related. After he makes the NL All Star Team in 2005,
the Cubs will throw Tens of Millions at him. Watch for this.

Mickster
04-14-2005, 12:50 PM
Carlos Lee will be wearing #45 for the Cubs next season.
The Cubs love Any Player, Any Tradition, Anything at all,
that is White Sox Related. After he makes the NL All Star Team in 2005,
the Cubs will throw Tens of Millions at him. Watch for this.

You were saying the same thing about Maggs 8 months ago.... :rolleyes:

Jjav829
04-14-2005, 12:54 PM
Carlos Lee will be wearing #45 for the Cubs next season.
The Cubs love Any Player, Any Tradition, Anything at all,
that is White Sox Related. After he makes the NL All Star Team in 2005,
the Cubs will throw Tens of Millions at him. Watch for this.

Why are you assuming that the Brewers won't pick up his option?

TommyJohn
04-14-2005, 12:55 PM
Fixed your headline.
:D:

That's what I meant to say.:tongue:

Clement's beard
04-14-2005, 01:08 PM
Carlos Lee will be wearing #45 for the Cubs next season.
The Cubs love Any Player, Any Tradition, Anything at all,
that is White Sox Related. After he makes the NL All Star Team in 2005,
the Cubs will throw Tens of Millions at him. Watch for this.

Wrong! The Cubs have a left fielder named Jason Dubois who would be in the running for rookie of the year if Dusty would just play him. He'll have no choice but to play him if he wants to keep his job another year.

You're right about the Cubs loving anything Sox related. I mean, look how the Cubs "stole" the Sox idea by putting green seats in this year at Wrigley.

They also would like to sign Lee because they already signed Ordonez last off season to replace Sosa.:rolleyes:

Also, thank god the Cubs signed Valentin to play short this year. Those sneaky Cubs.

voodoochile
04-14-2005, 01:09 PM
Carlos Lee will be wearing #45 for the Cubs next season.
The Cubs love Any Player, Any Tradition, Anything at all,
that is White Sox Related. After he makes the NL All Star Team in 2005,
the Cubs will throw Tens of Millions at him. Watch for this.

Dude... maybe it's time to change the tinfoil...:D:

FightingBillini
04-14-2005, 01:17 PM
You're dead wrong. Everyone was saying the exact same thing...
You obviously missed several arguments between me and others. I said that Magglio would miss a bunch of games and claim they were due to other injuries. Others called me a dope and said "NO! The doctors would know. They would look at him and tell what was really wrong. Detroit isnt that dumb. There is no way that would happen. Detroit knows better. He couldn't claim he had other injuries." Im not going to look back through my posts for the last 3 months to find the quotes or the names of the people who argued with me, but I promise you it happened.

Jerko
04-14-2005, 01:18 PM
Damn, I posted the link earlier and not the photo.



Hangar and friend at Dog Day, circa April 2005:

http://mrgrumman.home.comcast.net/TinManWithTinDoggie.JPG

voodoochile
04-14-2005, 01:18 PM
You obviously missed several arguments between me and others. I said that Magglio would miss a bunch of games and claim they were due to other injuries. Others called me a dope and said "NO! The doctors would know. They would look at him and tell what was really wrong. Detroit isnt that dumb. There is no way that would happen. Detroit knows better. He couldn't claim he had other injuries." Im not going to look back through my posts for the last 3 months to find the quotes or the names of the people who argued with me, but I promise you it happened.

Well of course it did...:rolleyes:

FightingBillini
04-14-2005, 01:21 PM
Wrong! The Cubs have a left fielder named Jason Dubois who would be in the running for rookie of the year if Dusty would just play him. He'll have no choice but to play him if he wants to keep his job another year.

You're right about the Cubs loving anything Sox related. I mean, look how the Cubs "stole" the Sox idea by putting green seats in this year at Wrigley.
:dtroll:
Do you honestly want to get into an arguement about all the things the Cubs have stolen from the White Sox over the year and claimed for their own? Im sorry if trolls like you think that green seats or bricks were first used in the Urinal, but old Comiskey had both before the Urinal was even built.

FightingBillini
04-14-2005, 01:24 PM
Well of course it did...:rolleyes:
However argued with me will keep his mouth shut, so there isnt that same vocal faction as before. If you want to claim that you never saw anything of the posts, that is fine. Im not going to waste my time going through hundreds of posts to prove anything to you. You can think anything you want, just dont call others "dead wrong" because you dont remember properly.

voodoochile
04-14-2005, 01:25 PM
Wrong! The Cubs have a left fielder named Jason Dubois who would be in the running for rookie of the year if Dusty would just play him. He'll have no choice but to play him if he wants to keep his job another year.

You're right about the Cubs loving anything Sox related. I mean, look how the Cubs "stole" the Sox idea by putting green seats in this year at Wrigley.

They also would like to sign Lee because they already signed Ordonez last off season to replace Sosa.:rolleyes:

Also, thank god the Cubs signed Valentin to play short this year. Those sneaky Cubs.

That's trolling. You were warned. Later...

Iwritecode
04-14-2005, 01:29 PM
:dtroll:
Do you honestly want to get into an arguement about all the things the Cubs have stolen from the White Sox over the year and claimed for their own? Im sorry if trolls like you think that green seats or bricks were first used in the Urinal, but old Comiskey had both before the Urinal was even built.

Are you honestly trying to say that the Cubs stole the idea of painting their seats green and building their stadium with bricks from the Sox? :kukoo:

voodoochile
04-14-2005, 01:29 PM
I said this would happen, and NOBODY believed me. I said he would get a bunch of "mysterious injuries" and miss a lot of game. I said that he would miss games due to "unrelated injuries. Last week he said "oh, my head hurts". Doctors cant exactly look at him and prove his head doesn't hurt. He has to be on the DL for 25 games DUE SPECIFICALLY TO THE PREVIOUS KNEE INJURY in order for the Tigers to void the contract. He will likely be on the DL for 25 games, but it will be due to an upset stomach or a yeast infection or whatever other BS Boras tell him to say. This is gonna be MESSY. Maggs will miss a whole lot of games due to "unrelated" injuries, and when the team gets suspicious, he will likely not let the doctors examine him like he did with the Sox. KW tried - there is no recourse for that. The Tigers will end up taking Ordonez and Boras to court and it will be nasty. I said that Magglio would try to do this, and others on this board said "no, he cant. The team doctors would know. He would have to let them look at him. That will never happen." How are the chances of that looking now? If he only plays in 30 games this year due to an assortment of injuries, do you think the Tigers are gonna sit by and let 4 more years of his contract get guaranteed?

But I'm getting ahead of myself. He pulled a groin. Thats all.


However argued with me will keep his mouth shut, so there isnt that same vocal faction as before. If you want to claim that you never saw anything of the posts, that is fine. Im not going to waste my time going through hundreds of posts to prove anything to you. You can think anything you want, just dont call others "dead wrong" because you dont remember properly.

You know... It occurs to me that all you want to do is argue and bitch. You really don't give two craps about actually discussing baseball you just want to fight - that's trolling. You've had posts moved to the Roadhouse. You've had a short rip in the past. I'm going to take it one step further.

Enjoy your 6 months. See you next year...

maurice
04-14-2005, 01:30 PM
Im not going to waste my time going through hundreds of posts to prove anything to you. You can think anything you want, just dont call others "dead wrong" because you dont remember properly.

I call BS.

I said this would happen, and NOBODY believed me. I said he would get a bunch of "mysterious injuries" and miss a lot of game. I said that he would miss games due to "unrelated injuries.

To make this quote true, delete the first sentence and replace "I" with "100 different WSI posters."

Iwritecode
04-14-2005, 01:31 PM
You were saying the same thing about Maggs 8 months ago.... :rolleyes:

I thought Beltran was supposed to be in the outfield for them this year too...

Iwritecode
04-14-2005, 01:33 PM
You know... It occurs to me that all you want to do is argue and bitch. You really don't give two craps about actually discussing baseball. You've had posts moved to the Roadhouse. You've had a short rip in the past. I'm going to take it one step further.

Enjoy your 6 months. See you next year...

Geez, just when I was starting to have fun with him too. :(:

Oh well, back to baseball talk. :cool:

Hangar18
04-14-2005, 01:34 PM
Why are you assuming that the Brewers won't pick up his option?

$$$ thats why, heh heh. The Brewers dont even have the
money to fix their Roof, let alone outbid the Evil Blue Corporation ....

Ol' No. 2
04-14-2005, 01:35 PM
$$$ thats why, heh heh. The Brewers dont even have the
money to fix their Roof, let alone outbid the Evil Blue Corporation ....Umm....they don't have to outbid anybody. They have a team option for next year.

SoxWillWin
04-14-2005, 01:39 PM
Back to the Ordonez subject........It does seem a little odd, IMO, that he is missing games due to "viral infections", and "groin problems". However, nothing out of the ordinary can be proven. I personally blame Boras for all of this. Magglio seemed to be a stand up guy until Boras came along. Magglio not allowing the Sox to examine his knee was awfully odd to me. The fact that KW didn't trust that he was OK based solely on his (and Boras' ) word was a smart move. As someone said earlier if we resigned Maggs not only would we have possibly lost players (Konerko? Beurhle?) But we'd be dealing with Magglio's "ailments" and still be waiting for Frank. But as it stands Magglio is Detroits problem now. Let them deal with it.

Mickster
04-14-2005, 01:40 PM
Umm....they don't have to outbid anybody. They have a team option for next year.

details...details... There you go using logic again. :cool:

SoxWillWin
04-14-2005, 01:40 PM
You know... It occurs to me that all you want to do is argue and bitch. You really don't give two craps about actually discussing baseball you just want to fight - that's trolling. You've had posts moved to the Roadhouse. You've had a short rip in the past. I'm going to take it one step further.

Enjoy your 6 months. See you next year...

My favorite quote from Die Hard,

"The Quarterback is TOAST!!!"

Hangar18
04-14-2005, 01:42 PM
:dtroll:
Do you honestly want to get into an arguement about all the things the Cubs have stolen from the White Sox over the year and claimed for their own? Im sorry if trolls like you think that green seats or bricks were first used in the Urinal, but old Comiskey had both before the Urinal was even built.

The cubs have indeed stolen quite a bit from the White Sox over the years ....

Hangar18
04-14-2005, 01:44 PM
Umm....they don't have to outbid anybody. They have a team option for next year.

I didnt know the Brew boys have an option on Lee.
However, seeing how they like to cut corners, I cant see them keeping him.

voodoochile
04-14-2005, 01:46 PM
I didnt know the Brew boys have an option on Lee.
However, seeing how they like to cut corners, I cant see them keeping him.

That will depend on if there is a buy out clause that forces them to kick out a couple of million to get out of the contract. Also, the flubbies will probably be in a bidding war with several teams. LA, NY, ATL all would be interested in Lee's services next year probably.

cheeses_h_rice
04-14-2005, 01:47 PM
The cubs have indeed stolen quite a bit from the White Sox over the years ....

1. Harry Caray.
2. "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" being sung by Harry Caray.
3. ???

Meanwhile, a Flubs fan could rightfully point out the shrubbery in center field that the Sox now have looks awfully similar to the weeds hanging on their outfield wall, n'est-ce pas?

Hangar18
04-14-2005, 01:51 PM
Are you honestly trying to say that the Cubs stole the idea of painting their seats green and building their stadium with bricks from the Sox? :kukoo:


I think FBillini was mocking trollboy ClementsBeard by letting him know Green Seats and Bricks arent Original & Exclusive to The Urinal, and that in fact
Old Comiskey possessed both back in the day

Ol' No. 2
04-14-2005, 01:54 PM
I didnt know the Brew boys have an option on Lee.
However, seeing how they like to cut corners, I cant see them keeping him.They're obviously willing to pay him this year. Unless they plan on spending the money on a FA acquisition, I don't see why next year would be any different.:?:

Iwritecode
04-14-2005, 01:56 PM
LOL, I found the thread that Billini was remembering. It was one thread and two different posters that were arguing with him.

I agree that there were about 100 more people saying the same thing as him...

SoxWillWin
04-14-2005, 01:59 PM
I'm sur in every city or area that has 2 teams you'll find things that can be construed as stolen from one another. I don't have any examples, it's just a theory. I'm sure if you talk to fans in NY that they will tell you what Yankees Ideas the Mets have "stolen" and vice versa. Same could be true with the Giants and A's. It's a fact of having 2 teams in a small area with VERY loyal fans. After all it does seem to be the Fans who notice these things.

cheeses_h_rice
04-14-2005, 02:05 PM
I'm sur in every city or area that has 2 teams you'll find things that can be construed as stolen from one another. I don't have any examples, it's just a theory. I'm sure if you talk to fans in NY that they will tell you what Yankees Ideas the Mets have "stolen" and vice versa. Same could be true with the Giants and A's. It's a fact of having 2 teams in a small area with VERY loyal fans. After all it does seem to be the Fans who notice these things.

In guys like Hangar's world, though, if the Cubs put in a parking lot paved with asphalt, he'll claim they stole that idea from the Sox.

Turnstiles at the entrance gates? Stolen from the Sox.

Dirt on the infield? Stolen from the Sox.

Dugouts with benches? Stolen from the Sox.

I could go on and on.

:rolleyes:

Hangar18
04-14-2005, 02:22 PM
I'm sur in every city or area that has 2 teams you'll find things that can be construed as stolen from one another. I don't have any examples, it's just a theory. I'm sure if you talk to fans in NY that they will tell you what Yankees Ideas the Mets have "stolen" and vice versa. Same could be true with the Giants and A's. It's a fact of having 2 teams in a small area with VERY loyal fans. After all it does seem to be the Fans who notice these things.

Heh heh. You had me til you said "loyal" fans. That would be us.
I dont want to tell you the word that describes them. YES, there are alot
of things the Blue Corporation has "Stolen" and gotten credit for.

7th Inning Stretch for instance. Countless people think the cubs started
that and they were the innovators. Im not going to say something inane
like "we had lights and they copied us", but look at all the promotions theyve run in the last few years. 70's/Elvis nite? RatPack nite? The SOX deserve alot of credit for some of the promotions theyve come up with.

DaleJRFan
04-14-2005, 02:23 PM
Unfortuneately, watch for Caballo to be back in Chicago next year .......

What do you mean??

DaleJRFan
04-14-2005, 02:24 PM
What do you mean??

Sorry Hangar, saw your other posts... :D:

SoxWillWin
04-14-2005, 02:31 PM
70's/Elvis nite? RatPack nite? The SOX deserve alot of credit for some of the promotions theyve come up with.

One thing I can say is that almost everybody copied Turn back the clock day. I know the Sox did that first.

DaleJRFan
04-14-2005, 02:41 PM
That will depend on if there is a buy out clause that forces them to kick out a couple of million to get out of the contract. Also, the flubbies will probably be in a bidding war with several teams. LA, NY, ATL all would be interested in Lee's services next year probably.

Agreed. I would certainly think that at least the Yankees would be interested. If what was rumored and reported about CLee after the trade is true, then he might fit in well there. He'd have to move to rightfield though. A selfish, average fielding, power hitting outfielder a good fit with the Yankees? NO WAY!! :D:

I don't understand why the Brewers would trade Pods and Vizcaino for CLee for one only year. Pods had 2 years left, Vizcaino was up for arbitration (but not FA)... I doubt they'll let him go after one year. Hell, maybe they'll exercise the option and trade him somewhere else. The Brewers are a team I never understood. A small market team that, over the years, always had good young players come up. Yet, they were never able to compete like some of the other small market teams that develop good talent, complete with that talent, then let the players go via FA.... Minnesota, Kansas City to name a few... They had to know they didn't stand a chance in the NL central this year (though they are playing really well thus far). Maybe they wanted someone like Carlos Lee who could have a huge first half so they could trade him at the deadline for 3 or 4 top notch prospects... ???

Foulke You
04-14-2005, 02:42 PM
I didnt know the Brew boys have an option on Lee.
However, seeing how they like to cut corners, I cant see them keeping him.

The Brewers are under a new ownership group and most in Milwaukee believe that the team plans to increase payroll over the next few years. They won't be spending money like the Cubs, Red Sox, Yanks, etc. but they could finally approach the $50-60 million mark in payroll which is a huge jump considering they spend $30 million last year. It could be highly likely that the Brewers would indeed exercise an option on El Caballo if he has a good year for them in 05.

santo=dorf
04-14-2005, 04:40 PM
Carlos Lee will be wearing #45 for the Cubs next season.
The Cubs love Any Player, Any Tradition, Anything at all,
that is White Sox Related. After he makes the NL All Star Team in 2005,
the Cubs will throw Tens of Millions at him. Watch for this.

For the last time, THE BREWERS HAVE A TEAM OPTION FOR 2006!!:angry:

santo=dorf
04-14-2005, 04:43 PM
You're right about the Cubs loving anything Sox related. I mean, look how the Cubs "stole" the Sox idea by putting green seats in this year at Wrigley.

Which Stadium came first, Comiskey Park or Wrigley Field?
What was the color of the seats at Old Comiskey?

I'm not saying the Cubs stole the idea, I'm just trying to see where Hangar is coming from.

Flight #24
04-14-2005, 04:44 PM
For the last time, THE BREWERS HAVE A TEAM OPTION FOR 2006!!:angry:
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Not only that, it's at $8.5mil. So not exactly a budget-busting raise from his 2005 $8mil. The only way I see it is if they think Prince Fielder's the shiznit and need the $$$ to resign Sheets. even then, I think they could probably just wait it out, let lee walk and use the $$ on Sheets then (i.e. pay his big $$$ on an extension). Or they exercise the option and then trade Carlos rather than letting him walk.

Either way, it's highly unlikely he'll be an FA until 2007.

wassagstdu
04-14-2005, 08:59 PM
What was the color of the seats at Old Comiskey?


The seats at old Comiskey were originally RED.

TommyJohn
04-14-2005, 09:03 PM
The seats at old Comiskey were originally RED.

I also remember sections that were light blue.

gobears1987
04-14-2005, 09:36 PM
I can't wait to boo him when I see him play at USCF.

RKMeibalane
04-14-2005, 09:38 PM
I can't wait to boo him when I see him play at USCF.

I doubt if he'll be able to play. By the time the Detroit series comes around, Maggs will have developed a mysterious ear infection.

voodoochile
04-14-2005, 09:38 PM
I can't wait to boo him when I see him play at USCF.

Don't hold your breath.

gobears1987
04-15-2005, 07:46 AM
Actually the more I think about it, we actually owe Borass a favor. The Tigers are spending $15 million a year for him to sit on a bench. That money could go to better things, but it's not.

:borass:
"I stole the soul of the Detroit Tigers! And it was scrump-didily-umptious."

StrTrkker
04-15-2005, 08:33 AM
1. Harry Caray.
2. "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" being sung by Harry Caray.
3. ???

Meanwhile, a Flubs fan could rightfully point out the shrubbery in center field that the Sox now have looks awfully similar to the weeds hanging on their outfield wall, n'est-ce pas?

Didn't the Scrubs also try and hire Nancy Faust at one time or another?

ode to veeck
04-15-2005, 08:51 AM
Dude... maybe it's time to change the tinfoil...:D:

C'mon, it wouldn't be the same WSI boards around here without Hangar's tinfoil!

gosox41
04-15-2005, 10:00 AM
Actually the more I think about it, we actually owe Borass a favor. The Tigers are spending $15 million a year for him to sit on a bench. That money could go to better things, but it's not.

:borass:
"I stole the soul of the Detroit Tigers! And it was scrump-didily-umptious."

In that way Borass did us a favor. But check out the flipside of that. He just changed the market upward making it that much more difficult for the Sox to be players in future player transactions. Even if Magglio were 100% healthy, I'd love to hear reasons why he is worth $1.5 million more per year then Vlad.

Now add in that Magglio is a huge injury risk and I can't fathom the contract he got. It's all BS and shows the inefficient salary market. Detroit wanted to make a name for themselves and knows that their city and team sucks so in order to attract an All Star player (though injured) they had to overpay.



Bob

PaleHoseGeorge
04-15-2005, 10:32 AM
...It's all BS and shows the inefficient salary market. Detroit wanted to make a name for themselves and knows that their city and team sucks so in order to attract an All Star player (though injured) they had to overpay.


Inefficient salary market???
:o:

The market has nothing to do with this. Detroit is stupid and no amount of "market efficiency" could ever save Detroit from their own stupidity.

If any other team doesn't want to pay the going rate for a chunk of overpriced flesh, they need do nothing more than take a pass on that overpriced pile of ****... just like every other team besides Detroit already did.

Furthermore, if the other owners want to cry crocodile tears about the injustice of salary arbitration (i.e. the salary inflation caused by Detroit's stupidity), they need only grant these indentured ballplayers the right to free agency. Now THAT would be some major league sized crocodile tears from MLB!

:roflmao:

JKryl
04-15-2005, 11:10 AM
1. Harry Caray.
2. "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" being sung by Harry Caray.
3. ???

Meanwhile, a Flubs fan could rightfully point out the shrubbery in center field that the Sox now have looks awfully similar to the weeds hanging on their outfield wall, n'est-ce pas?

3. Karchner - Oh, wait, that's good.

JKryl
04-15-2005, 11:14 AM
The seats at old Comiskey were originally RED.

How original are we talking? 1920's, or 1960's? Seems to me that the old ones were green. But, I could be wrong.

MIgrenade
04-15-2005, 11:23 AM
I don't even know what this thread is about anymore.:?:

davenicholson
04-15-2005, 11:59 AM
How original are we talking? 1920's, or 1960's? Seems to me that the old ones were green. But, I could be wrong.
I'm looking at a photo pennant from the 1966 season. The team picture is from field level, facing (I assume) the 3rd base dugout. I see lots of light blue seats and also some red ones. For what it's worth.

Lip Man 1
04-15-2005, 12:02 PM
Over the years the seats at the original Comiskey Park were many different colors.

There is a picture of Ken Berry from 1962 on the Chicago Baseball photos web site that shows the left field line, seats there are yellow, blue and red. It appears the color's were dependent on prices.

In that great summer of 1977, Bill Veeck painted the seats in the left field upper deck bleachers multi-colors.

Another time the first ten rows of the lower deck in left field were painted red because they were priced higher.

The majority of the seat colors during Veeck's second reign through the closing of the park were green.

During most of the mid to late 60's the seats were blue.

I have never been able to find a time when the majority of seats were ever painted red in the original Comiskey Park. To me based on what I have researched, the primary color was either a lighter shade of blue (although it was not 'Dodger' blue) or Forest green.

Lip

Ol' No. 2
04-15-2005, 12:13 PM
In that way Borass did us a favor. But check out the flipside of that. He just changed the market upward making it that much more difficult for the Sox to be players in future player transactions. Even if Magglio were 100% healthy, I'd love to hear reasons why he is worth $1.5 million more per year then Vlad.

Now add in that Magglio is a huge injury risk and I can't fathom the contract he got. It's all BS and shows the inefficient salary market. Detroit wanted to make a name for themselves and knows that their city and team sucks so in order to attract an All Star player (though injured) they had to overpay.



BobI have to disagree with you here. It could just as easily work out the other way. Teams could see how Detroit got burned and become smarter in their FA decisions. (Stop laughing!!! It could happen.) OK, so owners will still be themselves and continue to do stupid things. But that's not market inefficiency. Owners who do stupid things will, overall, suffer for it. That's market forces at work.

voodoochile
04-15-2005, 12:42 PM
I have to disagree with you here. It could just as easily work out the other way. Teams could see how Detroit got burned and become smarter in their FA decisions. (Stop laughing!!! It could happen.) OK, so owners will still be themselves and continue to do stupid things. But that's not market inefficiency. Owners who do stupid things will, overall, suffer for it. That's market forces at work.

That's exactly what happened after ARod. Yes, ARod's salary structure was insane, but none the less, teams quickly started practicing at least SOME financial restraint. Not many $20M/year salary deals were signed after that one and look at what Beltran got.

Teams actually do learn occasionally...

spawn
04-15-2005, 04:42 PM
Don't hold your breath.
You may be corect in your assessment. This comes from the same Tigers forum:


Well ... latest news on Ordonez... he is now on the DL ... with a hernia apparently.... no idea how long thiis is going to put him out of action ... but .. could be a while...

Anyway I dont have a quotable online source although one will pop up soon. This is currently being discussed on AM 1270

And later in the same thread:
Out for at least 4-6 weeks .. best case scenerio is what I'm hearing.
If I find a link somewhere confirming this, I will post it here. Anyway, how does he go from a virus to a strained groin to a hernia? I didn't know knee ailments traveled to other parts of the body!

Ol' No. 2
04-15-2005, 04:50 PM
You may be corect in your assessment. This comes from the same Tigers forum:


And later in the same thread:

If I find a link somewhere confirming this, I will post it here. Anyway, how does he go from a virus to a strained groin to a hernia? I didn't know knee ailments traveled to other parts of the body!http://www.foodnews.ch/cooking/20_rezepte/images/smelly-fish.gif

Unregistered
04-15-2005, 05:06 PM
You may be corect in your assessment. This comes from the same Tigers forum:


And later in the same thread:

If I find a link somewhere confirming this, I will post it here. Anyway, how does he go from a virus to a strained groin to a hernia? I didn't know knee ailments traveled to other parts of the body!Just confirmed on M,J & H on AM1000.

4-6 WEEKS.

Typical Tigers signing. :D:

Ol' No. 2
04-15-2005, 05:11 PM
Just confirmed on M,J & H on AM1000.

4-6 WEEKS.

Typical Tigers signing. :D:It's on the Tigers' website. Has anyone ever spent time on the DL due to a bad haircut?

santo=dorf
04-15-2005, 05:31 PM
This is starting to remind me of that Simpsons episode where Bart doesn't want to take his test.

:maggs
"OHhhhhh, my ovaries!"

ChiSox14305635
04-15-2005, 05:35 PM
The Yankees/Red Sox affiliate is reporting it now as well.


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2038329

Unregistered
04-15-2005, 05:41 PM
The Yankees/Red Sox affiliate is reporting it now as well.


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2038329 You said it - can't even get the name of our team right:
Ordonez, who missed all but 52 games with the Chicago White last season because of a knee injury, has been ailing most of the spring. GO WHITE!

RKMeibalane
04-15-2005, 05:52 PM
You said it - can't even get the name of our team right:
GO WHITE!

http://www.whiteinteractive.com :cool:

maurice
04-15-2005, 05:57 PM
:tomatoaward