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Wsoxmike59
04-08-2005, 06:45 AM
Set your VCR's, Tivo, or Digital Recorders to ESPN 2 Monday Night 4/11 7:30 p.m. CST for this delightful 1/2 hour program. :bandance:


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Blame game

So are we all sick of the 2004 Cubs yet? OK, then let's go back to 2003. That's what ESPN Classic is doing in its first episode of a new series called "Top Five Reasons You Can't Blame . . . "

The show, which airs first at 7:30 p.m. Monday on ESPN2 with Brian Kenny as host, gives five reasons why Steve Bartman should not take the fall for the Cubs' collapse to the Marlins in the National League Championship Series.

Alou's reaction (or overreaction) to the play is mentioned. Dusty Baker gets vilified for not visiting the mound to calm Mark Prior. Alex Gonzalez and his faulty glove also rank high on the list. And who could forget there was a Game 7 still to be played?

The show is entertaining, featuring interviews with Gov. Rod Blagojevich, North, the Tribune's Paul Sullivan and Marlins third baseman Mike Lowell, who said, "We saw the Bartman thing happen and I remember Mark Redman, one of our pitchers, say, `Let's make him famous.'"

DumpJerry
04-08-2005, 06:54 AM
I don't blame Bartman. It was the stench from that decaying goat that made them lose.

Dan H
04-08-2005, 09:23 AM
The best reason was Dusty not coming out to calm everybody down. They were five outs from a World Series for crying out loud. All they had to was execute and it was theirs. Or were they looking for a reason to lose?

The 2005 Cubs have the same mentality. They are still worrying about Steve Stone and many other things that don't matter. As Sox fans, I hope we never accept this whining as an excuse to lose from our team. The Cubs, as usual, are going nowhere.

Bias
04-08-2005, 11:11 AM
Anyone who blames/ed Bartman isn't facing reality. First of all there were at least 3 other hands reaching for the same ball. Just dumb luck for Bartman it happened to hit his hand.

Bartman didn't force Prior to walk the batter, didn't make Gonzalez boot the grounder, didn't make Sammy overthrow the cut off etc etc.

The Marlins scored what 7 runs that inning? SEVEN runs and a fan is responsible? There is plenty of blame to go around and in my honest opinion none of it belongs to any of their fans.

There's no gaurantee Alou makes the catch either. He has to reach over the wall, squeeze it and then bring it back. Not a can o corn.

With all of that said, I know if that were the White Sox I would've pushed every fan out of the way and let C. Lee get a clear shot at it. lol

Lip Man 1
04-08-2005, 12:47 PM
I thought it was eight runs?

Lip

cheeses_h_rice
04-08-2005, 02:01 PM
I thought it was eight runs?

Lip

Yes, it was 8.

8 *very* delicious runs.

I'll never forget being outside the Urinal when all that went down, and looking into one of the many bars on Clark that had the game on to see that not only had the Flubs blown the lead, but had given up a whopping 8-pack in one inning.

That's when the laughter started.

Flight #24
04-08-2005, 02:06 PM
Yes, it was 8.

8 *very* delicious runs.

I'll never forget being outside the Urinal when all that went down, and looking into one of the many bars on Clark that had the game on to see that not only had the Flubs blown the lead, but had given up a whopping 8-pack in one inning.

That's when the laughter started.

I too can remember *exactly* where I was when that happened: driving to dinner with a Cub fan friend in Cincy. Almost drove off the road pumping my fist when they scored the go-ahead run. Needless to say, dinner was a bit quieter with him fuming, me trying not to gloat too much, and the rest of our group wondering what was going on.

Bias
04-08-2005, 03:11 PM
I thought it was eight runs?

Lip

That's why I it was phrased as a question. I couldn't remember if it was 7 or 8.

I think the joy of watching them blow it clouds my memory........

Bias
04-08-2005, 03:15 PM
I too can remember *exactly* where I was when that happened: driving to dinner with a Cub fan friend in Cincy. Almost drove off the road pumping my fist when they scored the go-ahead run. Needless to say, dinner was a bit quieter with him fuming, me trying not to gloat too much, and the rest of our group wondering what was going on.

I was sittin' in my living room and when the Marlins took the lead I jumped so high I almost hit my head on the ceiling. lol

Really though, my wife asked me to calm down 'cuz she was afraid I'd wake up our 2 year old.

I have a friend who was at a bar and he and bunch of other ScRub fans decided they would take a shot for each of the remaining six outs. Dummies, they bought the shots in advance and had them sitting in front of them.

Story goes, this friend got up and walked away without saying a word.....leaving 5 shots sittin' on the bar. hahaha

cheeses_h_rice
04-08-2005, 03:18 PM
I have a friend who was at a bar and he and bunch of other ScRub fans decided they would take a shot for each of the remaining six outs. Dummies, they bought the shots in advance and had them sitting in front of them.

Story goes, this friend got up and walked away without saying a word.....leaving 5 shots sittin' on the bar. hahaha

Now THAT is a humorous anecdote.

:gulp:

Bias
04-08-2005, 03:39 PM
I meant to say, he walked OUT without saying a word. He went home.

But I agree, it is funny. I think it's STILL a touchy subject with him too. :supernana:

StillMissOzzie
04-08-2005, 04:48 PM
Anyone who blames/ed Bartman isn't facing reality. First of all there were at least 3 other hands reaching for the same ball. Just dumb luck for Bartman it happened to hit his hand.

Yep, and it was the guy NEXT to Bartman who ended up with the baseball and made six figures selling it for cannon fodder and pasta sauce to the Harry Caray restaurant. I always wonder how he kept his name out of the paper for his blood money baseball sale while Bartman took all the heat.

SMO
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jdm2662
04-08-2005, 05:18 PM
I was bowling on dollar bowling night with two of my friends. They are much bigger Sox fans than I am. When the top of the 8th came around, I looked at them and said, forget guys, they are going to the series. We will just have to deal with it. Sure enough, we are all in complete shock on what happened. I even asked my friend to pinch my ass to make sure I wasn't dreaming. Needless to say, he didn't abide by the request...
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I want Mags back
04-08-2005, 05:33 PM
I thought it was eight runs?

Lip

considering that the scoreboard from that game is on the top of Whats the score, we should all know its 8, like lip here


http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/headers/score.jpg (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=18)

DSpivack
04-08-2005, 05:33 PM
Having a test or a paper, can't remember which, the next day and not wanting to watch the Cubbies attempt to make the Series, I wasn't watching most of the game. I was on my computer and many friends from back home IMed me calling me an ******* for rooting for the Marlins, that I'd get what I deserve because the Cubs would make the series. My dad even called me a traitor to Chicago or something like that, he called me in the 7th, told me to turn it on.

So I did. And I enjoyed. Thoroughly. Best part of it, one of my best friends at school is from Ft. Lauderdale and a diehard Marlins fan.

PAPChiSox729
04-08-2005, 06:30 PM
I remember that game so well. I went upstairs to my room because I didn't want to hear the razzing from my bandwagon Cub fan for a dad. I turned on the game still holding out hope. And once the Cubs collapsed, I went back downstairs to gloat. I really believe that if Alou hadn't made such a big deal of the whole thing and the team had gotten refocused, the Cubs may have gone on to the Series. Thank goodness for Alou's short temper!

:D:

fusillirob1983
04-08-2005, 06:37 PM
I remember not thinking much of Bartman interfering. I was watching the game in my dorm room with my roommate, who isn't a fan of either the Sox or the Cubs. A large group of my Cub fan friends were in the room across the hall. Then every time the Cubs blew it, giving up the hit to I-Rod or Gonzo's error at shortstop, and every run that scored that inning, all the Sox and Cards fans cheered and yelled in the hall. Needless to say, that was one of the greatest moments I've experienced in college, except for when they lost game 7, that was pretty sweet too.

C-Dawg
04-08-2005, 06:55 PM
I was blissfully ignorant of most of Game 6 and 7 since I was asleep for most of them both (I have to get up really early). I was delighted to hear it would be going to a seventh game but it wasn't until later I read about the 8 runs, the error, the fan, etc...

The best part was going to bed in the 4th inning of Game 7. I remember sleeping very poorly, and having the same dream over and over again, that the series was over and the Cubs had won. Then every time I would realize it was a dream, and I'd be awake again wondering about the outcome. Needless to say I hardly slept much that night. Finally, about 2 AM I couldn't stand it any longer, so I got up and went on the computer. I went to cbssportsline.com, or something, and right there on the screen was a picture of the celebration in the Marlins locker room. I knew then that the long nightmare of a Cub World Series was OVER!

:supernana: :)

pearso66
04-08-2005, 08:21 PM
I remember what i was doing, and you can all thank me for the collapse. I went out that night, had no idea what the score was. Turned on the game 1 pitch before the whole bartman fiasco, watched the botched play by the SS and turned off the game. If it wasnt for me, none of that happens

Stroker Ace
04-08-2005, 10:34 PM
For that series, all of the games I didn't watch, the Marlins won. I turned on game 6 to check the score, and it was just as the Marlins were begining to put up that 8-spot.

batmanZoSo
04-08-2005, 11:20 PM
I was sittin' in my living room and when the Marlins took the lead I jumped so high I almost hit my head on the ceiling. lol

Really though, my wife asked me to calm down 'cuz she was afraid I'd wake up our 2 year old.

I have a friend who was at a bar and he and bunch of other ScRub fans decided they would take a shot for each of the remaining six outs. Dummies, they bought the shots in advance and had them sitting in front of them.

Story goes, this friend got up and walked away without saying a word.....leaving 5 shots sittin' on the bar. hahaha

That's achingly beautiful. I would've been like the weirdo kid from American Beauty and broken my camcorder out...laughing maniacally all the while. BWAAAA HA HA HA HA!

Foulke You
04-09-2005, 02:26 AM
I remember not thinking much of Bartman interfering. I was watching the game in my dorm room with my roommate, who isn't a fan of either the Sox or the Cubs.

I was right there with you when watching the game. To me, the Bartman play was such a non issue. The biggest play of that inning was the Alex Gonzalez E6. The first thing out of my mouth was "Oh Lord, the Cubs now have a Bill Buckner case on their hands". I honestly thought that Gonzalez would be crucified for that error and would need a police escort out of Wrigleyville. Instead, most Cub fans chose to blame it on a nerdy fan, who was 1 of 5 people reaching for the ball. Only in the ridiculous world of the Cubs could this happen. Mariotti still whines about Bartman to this day...that alone is proof that the kid wasn't responsible.:cool:

Bias
04-11-2005, 08:48 AM
What made the collapse sweeter for me was I worked with a ScRub fan and I was at work for the first 5-6 innings of the game. I told him I couldn't believe the ScRubs were going to the World Series( Prior didn't look like he was going to give up ANY runs).

I told him Sammy Sosa gets' busted corkin' his bat and the baseball gods are going to reward him with a trip to the series??? My disappointment was getting the better of me.

He told me "Now do you believe it was an accident? I've been telling you he didn't do it on purpose, he didn't know the bat was corked." I was in no mood to argue, but upon the Marlins winning Game 7 I'm sure you can guess what I had to say to him........"Now do you believe he cheated on purpose? Now will you admit it wasn't an accident?" DAHAHAHAHAHA :gulp:

SoxSpeed22
04-11-2005, 08:00 PM
Set your VCR's, Tivo, or Digital Recorders to ESPN 2 Monday Night 4/11 7:30 p.m. CST for this delightful 1/2 hour program. :bandance:


**********************************************

Blame game

So are we all sick of the 2004 Cubs yet? OK, then let's go back to 2003. That's what ESPN Classic is doing in its first episode of a new series called "Top Five Reasons You Can't Blame . . . "

The show, which airs first at 7:30 p.m. Monday on ESPN2 with Brian Kenny as host, gives five reasons why Steve Bartman should not take the fall for the Cubs' collapse to the Marlins in the National League Championship Series.

Alou's reaction (or overreaction) to the play is mentioned. Dusty Baker gets vilified for not visiting the mound to calm Mark Prior. Alex Gonzalez and his faulty glove also rank high on the list. And who could forget there was a Game 7 still to be played?

The show is entertaining, featuring interviews with Gov. Rod Blagojevich, North, the Tribune's Paul Sullivan and Marlins third baseman Mike Lowell, who said, "We saw the Bartman thing happen and I remember Mark Redman, one of our pitchers, say, `Let's make him famous.'"I thought that was Derrick Lee who said that, but I don't know. All I can say is
http://web.utk.edu/~bborchar/episodes/episode25/eps25_7.jpg"Keh"
If RSYTWN (I added T for Twins) is gonna have this. :offtopic: I better see one for Buckner. They can do something like this and then turn around and blame Buckner for the ENTIRE outcome of the '86 WS. Granted he played terrible that whole series but he's not the only one to blame. Back on topic, this show is gonna be special for pissin people off and it should cover many things. One other Cub fan friend says "The Cubs lost their concentration after that" only the Cubs would melt down after somethin like that.

skobabe8
04-11-2005, 10:42 PM
The best reason was Dusty not coming out to calm everybody down. They were five outs from a World Series for crying out loud. All they had to was execute and it was theirs. Or were they looking for a reason to lose?

The 2005 Cubs have the same mentality. They are still worrying about Steve Stone and many other things that don't matter. As Sox fans, I hope we never accept this whining as an excuse to lose from our team. The Cubs, as usual, are going nowhere.

NO....the BEST reason was the #1 reason, the only reason, and that was THE MARLINS WERE THE BETTER TEAM. Save evrything else for the supposed curse, which is just an excuse that you werent good enough.

Fenway
04-12-2005, 03:03 PM
I don't know if this was ever written in Chicago but we in Boston were aghast when during the seventh inning sing along, Bernie Mac sang the following

Root Root Root for the champions...


I said to my wife, the Cubs are going to lose this game, you do not do this to the baseball gods.

Then 2 nights later they paint the World Series logo at Fenway BEFORE Game 7 in NY

jordan23ventura
04-13-2005, 04:55 AM
The funny thing about that game six was the fact that no one caught on to the most glaring details! I mean I would think at least the announcers would have spotted the jerseys that the home team were wearing or at least the stadium they were playing at.

The only thing greater than watching the Cubs miss the playoffs is the Cubs choking in the playoffs after getting their hopes up. I don't know why Cub fans always complain about their teams never living up to expectations, because they always do.

PatK
04-13-2005, 01:19 PM
I don't know if this was ever written in Chicago but we in Boston were aghast when during the seventh inning sing along, Bernie Mac sang the following

Root Root Root for the champions...


I said to my wife, the Cubs are going to lose this game, you do not do this to the baseball gods.

Then 2 nights later they paint the World Series logo at Fenway BEFORE Game 7 in NY

Well they did have Lou Rawls (native South Sider) sing the national anthem that game. And at the time, Bernie Mac was a Sox fan. Although I think he's a Cubs fan now because it's so trendy in Hollywood.

chisox56
04-13-2005, 09:57 PM
I remember saying when the cubs were up 3-1 that they would blow it and lose, and I was being bashed by my roommate cubs fans who said I should root for chicago as a city and then the greatest two games ever happened and i wore my cubs suck shirt to class the day after the cubs lost the series.