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A. Cavatica
04-04-2005, 09:05 PM
Am I the only one who sees (a lefthanded) LaMarr Hoyt when Buehrle pitches? He throws lots of innings, gives up his share of hits, doesn't walk people, and just wins. Plus he came on to the scene kind of the way Hoyt did, without a lot of hype; he got his chance in the bullpen and was an ace not long thereafter.

Any other comparisons to past Sox pitchers would be interesting.

gobears1987
04-04-2005, 09:23 PM
Well they call BMac a right handed version of Buehrle. Of course we can't call him too similar until we see him in the majors. I just hope that ST wasn't a fluke for him.

mealfred13
04-04-2005, 09:28 PM
:hawk
"He's the closest thing....to Catfish Hunter....I've EVER...Seen."

For the 437th time and counting...

MRKARNO
04-04-2005, 09:32 PM
Well they call BMac a right handed version of Buehrle.

There are few similarities. McCarthy is a strikeout pitcher, something which Buehrle is not. McCarthy also has more velocity to his pitches than Buehrle does. I've seen the McDowell comparison but not the Buehrle one and I can't say that I think McCarthy and Buehrle are really all that similar in any respect.

MarkZ35
04-04-2005, 11:06 PM
I always thought that Jared Washburn pitched a lot just like Buerhle and it seemed like he was always a corner pitcher just like him.

DrCrawdad
04-04-2005, 11:19 PM
Am I the only one who sees (a lefthanded) LaMarr Hoyt when Buehrle pitches? He throws lots of innings, gives up his share of hits, doesn't walk people, and just wins. Plus he came on to the scene kind of the way Hoyt did, without a lot of hype; he got his chance in the bullpen and was an ace not long thereafter.

Any other comparisons to past Sox pitchers would be interesting.

:vining
Ken Vining?

:)

batmanZoSo
04-04-2005, 11:23 PM
I always thought that Jared Washburn pitched a lot just like Buerhle and it seemed like he was always a corner pitcher just like him.

They also have blond hair, are southpaws and wear number 56. But Washburn really fell off the map since 2002 when he was pretty damn good.

I always think Al Leiter when comparing someone to Buehrle. They put up similar numbers and use the cutter. Don't be surprised if Buehrle's still winning 13-14 games when he's 37 either.

Here's what good old baseball-reference has to say:
Similar Pitchers View in Pop-up (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:oI%28%27/friv/sp.cgi?I=buehrma01:Mark+Buehrle%27%29)


Jarrod Washburn (http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/washbja01.shtml) (965)
Roy Halladay (http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hallaro01.shtml) (963)
Jerry Nops (http://www.baseball-reference.com/n/nopsje01.shtml) (961)
Britt Burns (http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/burnsbr01.shtml) (949)
Steve Busby (http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/busbyst01.shtml) (949)
Orlando Hernandez (http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hernaor01.shtml) (947)
Mark Mulder (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/muldema01.shtml) (946)
George Stone (http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/stonege02.shtml) (945)
Barry Zito (http://www.baseball-reference.com/z/zitoba01.shtml) (945)
Dickie Kerr (http://www.baseball-reference.com/k/kerrdi01.shtml) (944)
Similar Pitchers through Age 25

Steve Avery (http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/averyst01.shtml) (962)
Mark Mulder (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/muldema01.shtml) (956)
Larry Christenson (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/chrisla01.shtml) (955)
Richard Dotson (http://www.baseball-reference.com/d/dotsori01.shtml) (951)
Ross Grimsley (http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/grimsro02.shtml) (947)
Mark Gubicza (http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/gubicma01.shtml) (945)
John Candelaria (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/candejo01.shtml) (941)
Dave McNally (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/mcnalda01.shtml) (941)
Johnny Podres (http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/podrejo01.shtml) (939)
Storm Davis (http://www.baseball-reference.com/d/davisst02.shtml) (939)



Dave McNally, Britt Burns, Storm Davis, Richard Dotson...gulp.

MeanFish
04-04-2005, 11:24 PM
I always thought that Jared Washburn pitched a lot just like Buerhle and it seemed like he was always a corner pitcher just like him.

Honestly, I think he's starting to approach Greg Maddux territory.

A. Cavatica
04-04-2005, 11:25 PM
Ken Vining?

LOL. Catfish Hunter & Jarrod Washburn don't count; I want to know which Sox pitchers he reminds you of.

MeanFish
04-04-2005, 11:27 PM
LOL. Catfish Hunter & Jarrod Washburn don't count; I want to know which Sox pitchers he reminds you of.

Sox pitchers...hm...

You know...my memory is kinda fuzzy, but I don't think that Wilson Alvarez is a bad comparison.

A. Cavatica
04-04-2005, 11:36 PM
Sox pitchers...hm...

You know...my memory is kinda fuzzy, but I don't think that Wilson Alvarez is a bad comparison.

I do. Wilson threw harder and walked a lot more batters.

That Top 10 Most Similar list that BatmanZoSo posted has Britt Burns at #4. That doesn't sound right either, but it's closer than Alvarez.

Edit: I just looked up the Burns numbers. The reason he doesn't sound right is because he didn't throw 200 innings a season the way Buehrle does. Hoyt's numbers are quite close to Buehrle's except Hoyt was a lot older when he was doing this. That bodes well for Mark's eventual Cy Young chances.

Foulke29
04-04-2005, 11:56 PM
Wilbur Wood?

batmanZoSo
04-05-2005, 12:07 AM
I do. Wilson threw harder and walked a lot more batters.

That Top 10 Most Similar list that BatmanZoSo posted has Britt Burns at #4. That doesn't sound right either, but it's closer than Alvarez.

Edit: I just looked up the Burns numbers. The reason he doesn't sound right is because he didn't throw 200 innings a season the way Buehrle does. Hoyt's numbers are quite close to Buehrle's except Hoyt was a lot older when he was doing this. That bodes well for Mark's eventual Cy Young chances.

I'm completely befuddled at the Roy Halladay comparison in that list.


The most similar overall though has got to be Mark Mulder for being left handed, similar throwers and great success before 25. Zito's also on the list, but he's got that big hook, while Buehrle doesn't have any standout pitches in his arsenal.

MRKARNO
04-05-2005, 09:49 AM
The most similar overall though has got to be Mark Mulder for being left handed, similar throwers and great success before 25.

Up until now, Mulder and Buehrle have had near identical career paths to go along with their identical styles.

DSpivack
04-05-2005, 05:13 PM
Up until now, Mulder and Buehrle have had near identical career paths to go along with their identical styles.

Maybe we can trade straight up so Buehrle can finally pitch for St. Louis.

All dead horses aside, I really don't give Buehrle the credit he deserves. If I were drafting a team from the Sox and the Cubs, I think I quite possible that #57 might be no. 1.

batmanZoSo
04-05-2005, 05:33 PM
Maybe we can trade straight up so Buehrle can finally pitch for St. Louis.

All dead horses aside, I really don't give Buehrle the credit he deserves. If I were drafting a team from the Sox and the Cubs, I think I quite possible that #57 might be no. 1.


Too bad neither team has a 57, otherwise I could've had a snappy comment. :cool:

Seriously, the two are pitching for each other's boyhood teams. :o:

misty60481
04-05-2005, 05:54 PM
Britt Burns was nowhere near the same kind of pitcher as MB... Burns was terribly slow between pitches,, as MB gets it and is ready.. I remember a pitcher the Sox had for a couple years in late 70s named Jerry Koosman--he pitched a lot like MB and won over 200 games in his career-- a lot of it with bad NY Mets teams....

ATXBMX
04-05-2005, 06:10 PM
He doesn't pitch for the Sox, but Tom Glavine is a real innings eater that rarely gives out walks, all while keeping a low strikeout total.

Lip Man 1
04-05-2005, 06:36 PM
Koosman pitched for the Sox from August 1981 through the 1983 season. Here is the link to his WSI iNTERVIEW:

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=11&id=2370

Lip

MRKARNO
04-05-2005, 09:13 PM
The PECOTA similarity list, which incorporates factors such as age, height, weight, handedness, velocity, actual performance, etc into the similarity equation lists two White Sox (for a short time) very high on his list. #1 out of 20 was the 1993 version of Jim Abbott, while #2 was the 1965 version of Jim Kaat. I defintely like the latter comparison, but not the former.

The 1992 version of Tom Glavine checks in on the list at number 6 and somehow the 2004 version of Ben Sheets checks in at number 5, which is very weird to say the least.

A. Cavatica
04-05-2005, 11:17 PM
Kaat didn't pitch for the Sox in 1965, but he does seem like a good comp. If the similarity continues for the rest of MB's career, he'll get some HoF consideration. MB needs to start winning 20 games if he wants to ensure that plaque in Cooperstown, though.

TheBull19
04-06-2005, 12:21 AM
I'm completely befuddled at the Roy Halladay comparison in that list.


The most similar overall though has got to be Mark Mulder for being left handed, similar throwers and great success before 25. Zito's also on the list, but he's got that big hook, while Buehrle doesn't have any standout pitches in his arsenal.

The similar pitcher lists on baseball-reference are based on statistics only, it doesn't take into account the pitcher's arsenal, power, delivery, handedness, appearance, etc

elrod
04-06-2005, 09:10 AM
I remember a pitcher the Sox had for a couple years in late 70s named Jerry Koosman--he pitched a lot like MB and won over 200 games in his career-- a lot of it with bad NY Mets teams....

Jerry Koosman is THE reason I am a White Sox fan. Growing up in New Jersey I was always a Mets fan. In 1982 (I was 8 yrs old) I got a book on the history of the Mets and it mentioned that Koosman pitched the winning game of the 1969 World Series. I had a Jerry Koosman White Sox baseball card and wanted an AL team to root for. So I picked the White Sox. They had a decent year in 1982 - much better than the awful Mets. In 1983 the Sox had a great year and the Mets still sucked. From those days until today I've been a Mets and White Sox fan. Now I have a third team to root for - the Nationals - because I moved to Virginia in 1986 and hoped and prayed for DC baseball ever since. Having three teams to watch is fun, considering none of them are really rivals. Of course I also have teams to root against, like the Cubs, Yankees, Twins and Braves.