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ChiSox14305635
03-30-2005, 09:24 PM
This according to a Score update from Zach Zaidman.

RedPinStripes
03-30-2005, 09:30 PM
Unless they really like this kid, it seems odd. I thought they'd get all over Jamie Burke right away.

Banix12
03-30-2005, 09:34 PM
Not exactly the trade Levine was forseeing, but it makes more sense than somebody actually trading to get Davis. I knew nobody really wanted an injured , career .230 hitting catcher, coming off his best year and is due to make $1 million. At least nobody wanted him enough to give up a bag of balls or a PTBNL for him

nodiggity59
03-30-2005, 09:41 PM
So is Davis on waivers right now? Can he be claimed? Do we still have to pay his big salary?

soxfan43
03-30-2005, 09:50 PM
This is a strange move. I don't know much about Widger but Davis is a swtich hitter (even though he can't hit), he knows tthe staff and speaks spanish, always a plus on this team. Seems strange to me, but oh well

TheBull19
03-30-2005, 10:08 PM
So is Davis on waivers right now? Can he be claimed? Do we still have to pay his big salary?

If this is true, I'm guessing KW is hoping he'll be claimed off waivers so we don't have to pay, otherwise they'll still owe him according to the contract

Banix12
03-30-2005, 10:10 PM
This is a strange move. I don't know much about Widger but Davis is a swtich hitter (even though he can't hit), he knows tthe staff and speaks spanish, always a plus on this team. Seems strange to me, but oh well

The fact that he does know the staff and speaks spanish and they still want to get rid of him should tell you how far his skills and conditioning have eroded in the offseason and how little the sox think of his abilities.

If Davis gets picked up by another team it will be his fourth team in seven years. I think we can finally drop the "potential" tag and attach "Journeyman backup".

Widger is a decent catcher, not spectacular. Not a great hitter, he hits only a little better than davis, but unlike Davis who goes on a tear for one month and then hits .100 the rest of the way Widger is at least a bit more consistant with his .240 avg. Widger is a backup player, Davis thinks he's a starter. I think Widger is a bit better prepared to ride the bench 130 games out of the year and play ok in the 32 games he gets into.

soxtalker
03-30-2005, 10:14 PM
This is strange. Almost sounds like they had decided to go with Widger, had a trade lined up, and it fell through. They've made the decision to go with 2 catchers on the roster, so they have to waive one of the two. If they waive Widger, someone else picks him up. If they waive Ben, he probably isn't picked up because of his salary. Ben won't like it, and the Sox probably aren't crazy about paying a minor league catcher over a million dollars. But at least he can get well and then have some playing time.

Lip Man 1
03-30-2005, 10:28 PM
Davis has some time to decide if he will accept the assignment to Charlotte. If he does the Sox are on the hook to pay him his ML salary.

If however he refuses the assignment he becomes a free agent and the Sox are under no obligation to pay any more of his salary.

It will be interesting to see what Davis decides, that million dollars could go a long way towards acquiring needed help come July.

Lip

SoxFan48
03-30-2005, 10:34 PM
Davis has some time to decide if he will accept the assignment to Charlotte. If he does the Sox are on the hook to pay him his ML salary.

If however he refuses the assignment he becomes a free agent and the Sox are under no obligation to pay any more of his salary.

It will be interesting to see what Davis decides, that million dollars could go a long way towards acquiring needed help come July.

Lip

Who in their right mind is going to pick up a $1 million dollar salary from a never-was, has-been? And Ben Davis' agent knows this too. He will take the money and go down to the minors just like he did in Seattle.

Ol' No. 2
03-30-2005, 10:56 PM
There's an article on the Sox website about it. It seems the fact that Davis was primarily a LH hitter was a factor. They wanted a backup catcher that was primarily a RH hitter. Makes sense. I wonder how much his injured finger entered into it?

Whitesox029
03-30-2005, 11:10 PM
Unless they really like this kid...
Who do you think you are, Ozzie?

Widger isn't really a "kid." He's actually 33 years old with 8 seasons of major league experience (1995-1996 with Seattle, 1997-1999 with Montreal, Montreal and Seattle in 2000, NYY in 2002, St. Louis in 2003)
385 hits in 1592 career AB (.242)
http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/widgech01.shtml

DickAllen72
03-30-2005, 11:26 PM
Out of minor league options, Davis was put on waivers. Guillen, who told Davis of the news after the catcher asked for a meeting to clarify his situation, explained the White Sox's desire to keep Davis in the organization. Davis could decline the assignment and opt for free agency, but he would forfeit a $1 million contract signed the day after the White Sox non-tendered him in December.

Davis, who was sidelined early last week with a torn ligament in his right index finger, declined comment after receiving the news. General manager Ken Williams was under the weather Wednesday and did not attend the Cactus League game against Arizona. But Guillen, speaking for the team, praised chairman Jerry Reinsdorf for allowing the option of keeping Davis as part of organization, even with a considerably higher salary than most minor leaguers.

"I talked to him and I said, 'We want you here,'" said Guillen of his private talk with Davis. "You never know what will happen, but it's up to him whether he wants to stay with us or not.

"To me, I think Jerry did a tremendous thing for us, for me to keep this guy in the organization. It's a lot of money involved, and Jerry did it because he wanted the team to get better, and we know we're going to need this guy. Hopefully not soon, but we will need him."
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20050330&content_id=981631&vkey=spt2005news&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

PAPChiSox729
03-30-2005, 11:32 PM
I hope a team claims Davis. Ben has done nothing that shows him to be worthy of earning $1 mil this year, especially now since he is going to be in the minors. Hopefully Tampa Bay or some other team is very, very desperate.

DickAllen72
03-30-2005, 11:38 PM
I hope a team claims Davis. Ben has done nothing that shows him to be worthy of earning $1 mil this year, especially now since he is going to be in the minors. Hopefully Tampa Bay or some other team is very, very desperate.

Davis has already cleared waivers. He can either accept his assignment to Charlotte or become a free agent.

HITMEN OF 77
03-31-2005, 12:21 AM
Why the heck did the Sox resign him a few months back in the first place?

Mohoney
03-31-2005, 01:25 AM
Why the heck did the Sox resign him a few months back in the first place?

Because they hadn't landed AJ yet.

anewman35
03-31-2005, 06:50 AM
Guillen praised Sox chairman Jerry Reinsdorf for approving the possibility that Davis and his $1 million salary will head to the minors. So, does this finally convince people that JR isn't the cheapest man alive?

harwar
03-31-2005, 07:28 AM
I wonder how much his injured finger entered into it?

Davis was trying to ignore the injury and just play through it but a torn ligament on your throwing hand is not the kind of thing that most players can adjust too.
I love Widgers' heart but i'm shocked that Burke didn't get the call.

mcfish
03-31-2005, 08:15 AM
Davis was trying to ignore the injury and just play through it but a torn ligament on your throwing hand is not the kind of thing that most players can adjust too.
I love Widgers' heart but i'm shocked that Burke didn't get the call.Again, like it was said in the speculation thread - Widger is already on the roster, Burke is not. Burke was waived and cleared waivers weeks ago, Widger would have to be waived and clear waivers in order to be sent down. I don't know if this was the reason for the decision or not, but it is possible that this played a role in the Sox decision.

delben91
03-31-2005, 08:15 AM
Davis was trying to ignore the injury and just play through it but a torn ligament on your throwing hand is not the kind of thing that most players can adjust too.
I love Widgers' heart but i'm shocked that Burke didn't get the call.

I think it comes down to the fact that Burke had cleared waivers already and thus could go to Charlotte and provide insurance. Widger hadn't cleared waivers and the Sox might've lost him in trying to send him to AAA.

EDIT: McFish...talk about timing...

Knucksie
03-31-2005, 08:33 AM
Here's my take on the situation.

1) A cool million is a lot of dough for a back up but, he wasn't the back up when they signed him and they had no other real option other than Burke (I like Burke but not that much).

2) Burke goes down to the minors because he had cleared waivers weeks ago.

3) Davis has ten days to accept his assignment. If he does, the Sox are on the hook for his salary. If he doesn't, he becomes a free agent. If he does, he comes a good "throw in" in a mid season deal, much like how they got him. Left handed hitting catchers (even poor ones) are always in demand. Case in point, Henry Blanco!

4) Because Davis still believes he has "potential" and should be a starter, I don't think he will go to Charlotte. Instead, I think he will opt for free agency. I do believe there may be some teams interested, especially if he'll take less than his current salary.

5) The Sox system does not appear, IMO, to be very well stacked at the position. Plus, they are still touting several young pitchers as future contributors (BMac, Adkins, etc.). Could part of this have something to do with wanting a guy with MLB experience down there with them?

Ol' No. 2
03-31-2005, 09:07 AM
Again, like it was said in the speculation thread - Widger is already on the roster, Burke is not. Burke was waived and cleared waivers weeks ago, Widger would have to be waived and clear waivers in order to be sent down. I don't know if this was the reason for the decision or not, but it is possible that this played a role in the Sox decision.Widger was not on the 40-man roster, so would not have to clear waivers. But I think he may have just enough experience that he can decline a minor league assignment.

soxtalker
03-31-2005, 10:03 AM
Here's my take on the situation.

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4) Because Davis still believes he has "potential" and should be a starter, I don't think he will go to Charlotte. Instead, I think he will opt for free agency. I do believe there may be some teams interested, especially if he'll take less than his current salary.

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I would be surprised if he does not take the assignment. There must have been considerable market value when they signed him to a $ million dollar salary this winter. But he has been injured, and that probably makes teams reluctant to sign him for anything close to that salary. If that is the case, he might as well work through it in the minors.

Banix12
03-31-2005, 12:20 PM
I would be surprised if he does not take the assignment. There must have been considerable market value when they signed him to a $ million dollar salary this winter. But he has been injured, and that probably makes teams reluctant to sign him for anything close to that salary. If that is the case, he might as well work through it in the minors.

There is no way that any other team will give him the million dollars, but i still think he might not take the assignment. Just to try and stay relevant, if he can find another team that would be willing to take him and place him on a major league roster I think he would go and take the pay cut. He's played at AAA before and has done ok down there, he's basically proven himself down there. He can make a million in the minors this season, but unless he can work his way back to the majors this season, he'll never make better than that again.

Getting sent down to AAA after 6 years in the majors is never a positive move. If he isn't careful about keeping his name relevant he can be buried down there, forgotten and labeled with that AAAA tag. Even though I think that might be fitting.

Lip Man 1
03-31-2005, 12:26 PM
Folks:

If Davis opts for the free agent route that doesn't mean any other team is obligated to take on his million dollar deal.

He's a free agent.

Teams can sign him for whatever they want to pay him as long as it is at least the league minimum.

Davis may feel it's worth a salary cut to play in the major leagues somewhere instead of Charlotte also I don't know how much time he has in the bigs but you also have to think about qualifying for the major league pension plan.

Days spent in Charlotte don't count towards that.

Lip

Ol' No. 2
03-31-2005, 12:30 PM
Folks:

If Davis opts for the free agent route that doesn't mean any other team is obligated to take on his million dollar deal.

He's a free agent.

Teams can sign him for whatever they want to pay him as long as it is at least the league minimum.

Davis may feel it's worth a salary cut to play in the major leagues somewhere instead of Charlotte also I don't know how much time he has in the bigs but you also have to think about qualifying for the major league pension plan.

Days spent in Charlotte don't count towards that.

LipIt still sounds funny to me reading that players making millions of dollars would be worried about a pension plan. I'm pretty sure if you gave me a million dollars for one year, I could get by just fine for life without needing a pension plan.

Shorty1983
03-31-2005, 12:31 PM
Sox Press Release 03/31/2005 12:40 PM ET

TUCSON, Ariz. -- Prior to today's spring training finale vs. Colorado, the Chicago White Sox outrighted catcher Ben Davis to Class AAA Charlotte.
With the move, the White Sox have 27 players remaining in camp, while the 40-man roster is at 37.

Does this mean he's already headed to AAA? We can use that extra million to add cushions on our new green seats.:D:

RichFitztightly
03-31-2005, 12:45 PM
Folks:

If Davis opts for the free agent route that doesn't mean any other team is obligated to take on his million dollar deal.

He's a free agent.

Teams can sign him for whatever they want to pay him as long as it is at least the league minimum.

Davis may feel it's worth a salary cut to play in the major leagues somewhere instead of Charlotte also I don't know how much time he has in the bigs but you also have to think about qualifying for the major league pension plan.

Days spent in Charlotte don't count towards that.

Lip

If I understand Hawk's conversation the other day correctly, a player is eligable to collect a pension the moment he puts on a jersey while on a major league roster. The only variable is: the amount a player can collect is based on the number of years he played and the amount of money he earned. Therefore, Ben Davis is eligable for a pension, it's just a matter of how much he's going to get and if he's satisfied with that amount... in addition to whether or not the amount he's going to collect from the major league pension actually factors into his decision.

P.S. on a side note, Hawk was saying that he had a conversation with Arnold Palmer (I believe) and Palmer had told him that if Tiger Woods retired from golf today, he'd earn $300,000+ a month from his golf pension.

rmusacch
03-31-2005, 12:53 PM
So is Davis on waivers right now? Can he be claimed? Do we still have to pay his big salary?

He went through waivers and no one claimed him so Kenny outrighted his contract to AAA. If he refuses the assignment and becomes a free agent, he forfeits his salary.

rmusacch
03-31-2005, 12:56 PM
Again, like it was said in the speculation thread - Widger is already on the roster, Burke is not. Burke was waived and cleared waivers weeks ago, Widger would have to be waived and clear waivers in order to be sent down. I don't know if this was the reason for the decision or not, but it is possible that this played a role in the Sox decision.

Actually both Burke and Widger were non-roster invitees to spring training.

Flight #24
03-31-2005, 12:58 PM
So, does this finally convince people that JR isn't the cheapest man alive?

There are some that wouldn't be convinced if he were to give away everything he owned and live naked under the 35th street overpass.

DaleJRFan
03-31-2005, 01:02 PM
All I have to say is I am no GM. Whatever is best foir the team, do it. My preference would have been Burke, but Ozzie and KW know a hell of a lot more than I do. I just want the damn team to win. Hopefully Widger can get the job done. GO SOX!

soxtalker
03-31-2005, 01:51 PM
There is no way that any other team will give him the million dollars, but i still think he might not take the assignment. Just to try and stay relevant, if he can find another team that would be willing to take him and place him on a major league roster I think he would go and take the pay cut. He's played at AAA before and has done ok down there, he's basically proven himself down there. He can make a million in the minors this season, but unless he can work his way back to the majors this season, he'll never make better than that again.

Getting sent down to AAA after 6 years in the majors is never a positive move. If he isn't careful about keeping his name relevant he can be buried down there, forgotten and labeled with that AAAA tag. Even though I think that might be fitting.

Well, we'll see shortly. I suppose it depends on what another team is willing to promise in terms of playing time and a shot at starting. It might also depend on what the Sox may have said to him. If they gave him some assurances that they would try to trade him if he gets healed and plays well at Charlotte, it might make sense for him to wait rather than cut a deal now. (On the other hand, they may have wanted to encourage him to leave with Ozzie's statements merely intended to save face.)

Tough situation for all concerned -- but particularly Ben.

the gooch
03-31-2005, 01:54 PM
Originally Posted by Knucksie
5) The Sox system does not appear, IMO, to be very well stacked at the position. Plus, they are still touting several young pitchers as future contributors (BMac, Adkins, etc.). Could part of this have something to do with wanting a guy with MLB experience down there with them?

ben 'crash' davis better work on his speech.

Davis:
I believe in the soul, the cock,
the *****, the small of a woman's
back, the hanging curve ball,
high fiber, good scotch, long
foreplay, show tunes, and that
the novels of Thomas Pynchon are
self-indulgent, overrated crap.

I believe that Lee Harvey Oswald
acted alone, I believe that there
oughtta be a constitutional
amendment outlawing astro-turf
and the designated hitter, I
believe in the "sweet spot", voting
every election, soft core
pornography, chocolate chip cookies,
opening your presents on
Christmas morning rather than
Christmas eve, and I believe in
long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses
that last for 7 days.


WHITEY
How's it feel to get your first
professional win?
BMAC
It feels "out there". A major
rush. I mean it doesn't just
feel "out there" but it feels out there.
CRASH DAVIS
Hopeless. Utterly hopeless.

Lip Man 1
03-31-2005, 06:08 PM
It is my understanding although this could have changed, that to qualify for the MLB pension you must spend five years in the big leagues.Lip