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voodoochile
03-24-2005, 10:45 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/springStats?team=chw&year=2005

Just thought some people might like to look around, so I dug it up...

Sad
03-24-2005, 10:47 AM
hey thanks!

mantis1212
03-24-2005, 11:04 AM
Crazy Carl's looking pretty good this spring. I think he's gonna have a helluva comeback year!

Baby Fisk
03-24-2005, 11:13 AM
Crazy Carl's looking pretty good this spring. I think he's gonna have a helluva comeback year!
:everett:
"My hellacious bat will make you all forget about that theory of evolution now, my babies."

Irishsox1
03-24-2005, 11:19 AM
Will Willie Harris make the team?, and if so...why? Do the Sox really need a weak hitting backup 2nd basemen that bad. What about Pablo Ozuna, can he play second?

mantis1212
03-24-2005, 11:23 AM
I also feel a little better now that "Gucci" is getting his average up. But yes, its only spring training. Bring on the season already!!

Soxzilla
03-24-2005, 11:36 AM
Will Willie Harris make the team?, and if so...why? Do the Sox really need a weak hitting backup 2nd basemen that bad. What about Pablo Ozuna, can he play second?

I wasn't COMPLETELY paying attention to what Melton and DJ were saying, but I got the vibe that harris might be down in AAA while Ozuna could get the job as the utility infielder. I think ozuna can play it all *In regards to left-middle infield*.

Baby Fisk
03-24-2005, 11:37 AM
Hmm... is it a sign of growing maturity among WSIers that no one is going off the deep end over some of the pitching numbers? (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/springStats?team=chw&type=pitch&year=2005)

J Contreras - 5.52 ERA
F Garcia - 6.00 ERA
J Garland - 6.23 ERA
O Hernandez - 8.25 ERA

Shouldn't these stats have triggered at least one freaked out, panicky "sky is falling our rotation is doomed!" thread and the inevitable 150-post backlash?

Or is everyone just gone away for spring break today? :cool:

duke of dorwood
03-24-2005, 11:38 AM
Harris has got to go-as does Timo Perez-

delben91
03-24-2005, 11:43 AM
Harris has got to go-as does Timo Perez-

Others may disagree with me, but in my opinion, Timo's value isn't in hitting .300 all the time, but instead getting that clutch hit. I can't remember anyone on the team last year that came through in late innings with men in scoring position as Timo did.

Maybe selective memory though -> :gulp:

mantis1212
03-24-2005, 11:44 AM
Hmm... is it a sign of growing maturity among WSIers that no one is going off the deep end over some of the pitching numbers? (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/springStats?team=chw&type=pitch&year=2005)

J Contreras - 5.52 ERA
F Garcia - 6.00 ERA
J Garland - 6.23 ERA
O Hernandez - 8.25 ERA

Shouldn't these stats have triggered at least one freaked out, panicky "sky is falling our rotation is doomed!" thread and the inevitable 150-post backlash?

Or is everyone just gone away for spring break today? :cool:

If these numbers hold up...

A Rowand .514 12 35 7 18 29 5 0 2 10
S Podsednik .444 14 36 7 16 22 0 3 0 4
J Uribe .415 14 41 7 17 28 3 1 2 11
J Burke .381 13 21 4 8 10 2 0 0 3
B Davis .375 7 16 2 6 9 1 1 0 2
B Anderson .350 14 20 2 7 8 1 0 0 6
C Everett .333 13 36 10 12 27 3 0 4 16
J Garland .333 4 3 0 1 2 1 0 0 0
P Konerko .318 16 44 12 14 27 7 0 2 5

..then our pitching stats look great! :cool:

thepaulbowski
03-24-2005, 12:02 PM
Here's the stats I like (for Pods)-I don't think the "light" air makes it easier to steal bases..

SB CS SH SF HP SLG%
-- -- -- -- -- ----

M Spidale 0 0 1 0 0 1.000
G Molina 0 0 0 0 0 1.000
P Ozuna 1 3 1 0 0 .703
A Rowand 0 0 0 0 0 .829
D Blakely 0 0 0 0 0 .500
A Gray 0 0 0 0 0 1.000
S Podsednik 6 0 1 1 0 .611

soxtalker
03-24-2005, 12:11 PM
Didn't see SO or BB. I'm curious as to how Borchard is doing in these areas. His average is ok - not great. He's hitting HR's. But his weakness has always been SO's.

Iwritecode
03-24-2005, 12:19 PM
Hmm... is it a sign of growing maturity among WSIers that no one is going off the deep end over some of the pitching numbers? (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/springStats?team=chw&type=pitch&year=2005)

J Contreras - 5.52 ERA
F Garcia - 6.00 ERA
J Garland - 6.23 ERA
O Hernandez - 8.25 ERA

Shouldn't these stats have triggered at least one freaked out, panicky "sky is falling our rotation is doomed!" thread and the inevitable 150-post backlash?

Or is everyone just gone away for spring break today? :cool:

Give it time. The thread has only been up for just over an hour... :wink:

voodoochile
03-24-2005, 12:23 PM
Others may disagree with me, but in my opinion, Timo's value isn't in hitting .300 all the time, but instead getting that clutch hit. I can't remember anyone on the team last year that came through in late innings with men in scoring position as Timo did.

Maybe selective memory though -> :gulp:

Timo is also a decent defensive replacement to have around and veteran bats off the bench are always a good thing. With Everett probably starting at DH early in the year, it is good to have someone who can PH when the situation calls for it.

FightingBillini
03-24-2005, 12:26 PM
Others may disagree with me, but in my opinion, Timo's value isn't in hitting .300 all the time, but instead getting that clutch hit. I can't remember anyone on the team last year that came through in late innings with men in scoring position as Timo did.

Maybe selective memory though -> :gulp:


Timo Perez - 2004

Runners in scoring position - .397
First and third - .400
Second and third - .571
Bases loaded - .444
man on third <2 outs - .571
Scoring position, 2 outs - .412
Runner only on third - .800

I doubt many players matched those numbers. Besides being clutch, Timo is a great baserunner. He isn't the fastest, but he knows how to run bases better than most. For me, the vintage Timo moment was when he drove Carlos Zambrano crazy, leading to the Crede bomb. Outside of Pods, Timo is by far our best baserunner.

patbooyah
03-24-2005, 12:28 PM
i will panic. because look at these statistics from 2004 spring training and tell me they aren't accurate:

PITCHING:

J Rauch 1 0 0 4.50
J Garland 4 0 0 2.38
N Cotts 1 1 0 2.45
D Wright 3 0 0 4.12
S Takatsu 0 1 0 6.75
BATTING:

J Borchard .667
J Valentin .400
J Burke .226

Palehose13
03-24-2005, 12:40 PM
Timo Perez - 2004

Runners in scoring position - .397
First and third - .400
Second and third - .571
Bases loaded - .444
man on third <2 outs - .571
Scoring position, 2 outs - .412
Runner only on third - .800

I doubt many players matched those numbers. Besides being clutch, Timo is a great baserunner. He isn't the fastest, but he knows how to run bases better than most. For me, the vintage Timo moment was when he drove Carlos Zambrano crazy, leading to the Crede bomb. Outside of Pods, Timo is by far our best baserunner.

Agreed. Those are great numbers for a guy that usually is hitting after sitting on the bench for a few hours or making spot starts. I have no problem with Timo being the 4th OF'er. He does the job that he is asked to do.

cleanwsox
03-24-2005, 01:01 PM
If these numbers hold up...

A Rowand .514 12 35 7 18 29 5 0 2 10
S Podsednik .444 14 36 7 16 22 0 3 0 4
J Uribe .415 14 41 7 17 28 3 1 2 11
J Burke .381 13 21 4 8 10 2 0 0 3
B Davis .375 7 16 2 6 9 1 1 0 2
B Anderson .350 14 20 2 7 8 1 0 0 6
C Everett .333 13 36 10 12 27 3 0 4 16
J Garland .333 4 3 0 1 2 1 0 0 0
P Konerko .318 16 44 12 14 27 7 0 2 5

..then our pitching stats look great! :cool:


Hopefully Garland can keep that .333 average going as well. You can never have enough pinch hitters. :D:

Mohoney
03-24-2005, 01:03 PM
Didn't see SO or BB. I'm curious as to how Borchard is doing in these areas. His average is ok - not great. He's hitting HR's. But his weakness has always been SO's.

The average is mediocre, but he's hitting the ball hard.

Almost all his hits have been for extra bases, and his SLG% is obscene. He's also driving in runs.

Mohoney
03-24-2005, 01:13 PM
Hmm... is it a sign of growing maturity among WSIers that no one is going off the deep end over some of the pitching numbers? (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/springStats?team=chw&type=pitch&year=2005)

J Contreras - 5.52 ERA
F Garcia - 6.00 ERA
J Garland - 6.23 ERA
O Hernandez - 8.25 ERA

Shouldn't these stats have triggered at least one freaked out, panicky "sky is falling our rotation is doomed!" thread and the inevitable 150-post backlash?

Or is everyone just gone away for spring break today? :cool:

If it continues later on into Spring, then I'm worrying, but early in Spring, a guy like Contreras is told to work without his forkball and focus on other pitches.

The Sox let Contreras throw everything on Tuesday, and he looked really good from the 3rd inning on. He ran into a little trouble in the 2nd, when he hit 2 batters and got himself into a jam, but even in this bad inning, he kept the Mariners to 1 run and really battled out there.

A few more outings like this, and I can look past the bad outings early in the Spring when he was restricted in what he was throwing.

Dadawg_77
03-24-2005, 02:41 PM
Here's the stats I like (for Pods)-I don't think the "light" air makes it easier to steal bases..

SB CS SH SF HP SLG%
-- -- -- -- -- ----

M Spidale 0 0 1 0 0 1.000
G Molina 0 0 0 0 0 1.000
P Ozuna 1 3 1 0 0 .703
A Rowand 0 0 0 0 0 .829
D Blakely 0 0 0 0 0 .500
A Gray 0 0 0 0 0 1.000
S Podsednik 6 0 1 1 0 .611

Pods can steal. He took 70 of them last year with a horrible OBP.

Dadawg_77
03-24-2005, 02:46 PM
Timo Perez - 2004

Runners in scoring position - .397
First and third - .400
Second and third - .571
Bases loaded - .444
man on third <2 outs - .571
Scoring position, 2 outs - .412
Runner only on third - .800

I doubt many players matched those numbers. Besides being clutch, Timo is a great baserunner. He isn't the fastest, but he knows how to run bases better than most. For me, the vintage Timo moment was when he drove Carlos Zambrano crazy, leading to the Crede bomb. Outside of Pods, Timo is by far our best baserunner.

2004 Numbers
Sept (Clutch time of the season) .245/.245/.367 49AB
Close and Late (Clutch time of the game) .277/.320/.362 47AB
As PH (Coming in at Clutch time for a lessor hitter) .192/.192/.231 26AB

Mickster
03-24-2005, 03:22 PM
Sept (Clutch time of the season)

Not for the Sox lately.......:rolleyes:

TimoPerez
03-24-2005, 05:07 PM
2004 Numbers
Sept (Clutch time of the season) .245/.245/.367 49AB
Close and Late (Clutch time of the game) .277/.320/.362 47AB
As PH (Coming in at Clutch time for a lessor hitter) .192/.192/.231 26AB

You have to remember that around .200 is considered good for a pinch hitter.

voodoochile
03-24-2005, 05:24 PM
You have to remember that around .200 is considered good for a pinch hitter.

WHAT?

RKMeibalane
03-24-2005, 05:25 PM
You have to remember that around .200 is considered good for a pinch hitter.

Around .200 isn't considered good for any position players. These individuals are paid to hit the ball consistently and get on base. A .200 batting average is not conducive to accomplishing that.

Whitesox029
03-24-2005, 05:38 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/springStats?team=chw&year=2005

Just thought some people might like to look around, so I dug it up...
I hope you didn't spend too much time "digging it up"...you can get it just by clicking "stats" at the Sox official website. :tongue:

Ol' No. 2
03-24-2005, 05:39 PM
You have to remember that around .200 is considered good for a pinch hitter.I agree with your general premise, but I think you're overstating it just a wee bit. If they were .300 hitters, they wouldn't be sitting on the bench. But .260 is probably the minimum I'd accept.

GAsoxfan
03-24-2005, 06:18 PM
I give very little weight to spring training numbers. Like Mohoney said, pitchers aren't throwing everything they have, so it distorts their numbers as well as the hitters numbers. Almost any ball player can hit a major league pitcher when you know he's only coming with two pitches (except maybe Borchard).

TimoPerez
03-24-2005, 06:27 PM
Obviously, many people hit above .200 as a pinch hitter, but the average average of a pinch hitter is not much higher than .200. You would be surprised by how hard it is to do.

owensmouth
03-24-2005, 06:38 PM
Timo is also a decent defensive replacement to have around and veteran bats off the bench are always a good thing. With Everett probably starting at DH early in the year, it is good to have someone who can PH when the situation calls for it.

Also, he speaks Japanese

MisterB
03-24-2005, 10:00 PM
Obviously, many people hit above .200 as a pinch hitter, but the average average of a pinch hitter is not much higher than .200. You would be surprised by how hard it is to do.

Last year pinch hitters hit about .240 in the AL and .228 in the NL. Sox pinch-hitters as a team were the best in the majors with a .312 avg. As a guess I'd say the higher average in the AL (as well as the 1/3 fewer PH AB's) are due to the fact that since managers aren't forced to pinch-hit due to the DH, they can set up much more favorable matchups when they do pinch-hit.

Dadawg_77
03-24-2005, 10:26 PM
Last year pinch hitters hit about .240 in the AL and .228 in the NL. Sox pinch-hitters as a team were the best in the majors with a .312 avg. As a guess I'd say the higher average in the AL (as well as the 1/3 fewer PH AB's) are due to the fact that since managers aren't forced to pinch-hit due to the DH, they can set up much more favorable matchups when they do pinch-hit.

Did you know the Twins had the highest OPS for pitch hitters in 2002, 2003 and 2004? I wonder what that means, but might be one of the reasons they preform better then expected.

TimoPerez
03-24-2005, 10:47 PM
Last year pinch hitters hit about .240 in the AL and .228 in the NL. Sox pinch-hitters as a team were the best in the majors with a .312 avg. As a guess I'd say the higher average in the AL (as well as the 1/3 fewer PH AB's) are due to the fact that since managers aren't forced to pinch-hit due to the DH, they can set up much more favorable matchups when they do pinch-hit.

Those averages are higher than I thought they were. Still, his ability to put the ball in play when pinch hitting is outstanding. The Sox average was only that high because Ross Gload was ridiculously good.

voodoochile
03-24-2005, 10:56 PM
Last year pinch hitters hit about .240 in the AL and .228 in the NL. Sox pinch-hitters as a team were the best in the majors with a .312 avg. As a guess I'd say the higher average in the AL (as well as the 1/3 fewer PH AB's) are due to the fact that since managers aren't forced to pinch-hit due to the DH, they can set up much more favorable matchups when they do pinch-hit.

In the NL, .228 is great compared to the player you most often PH for - the pitcher, which can happen 2 times in any game if not more. So, yeah, you end up taking what you can get in those situations. A guy hitting .230 is going to look like a world beater compared to Joe Reliever.

PAPChiSox729
03-24-2005, 11:55 PM
J Borchard .257 15 35 9 9 24 3 0 4 11


Look who's tied for the team lead in homers. I think he's ready!
:redneck