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MaggPipes
10-31-2001, 10:56 PM
Well i have heard that this is going down........

Someone i know read it in a Anaheim Newspaper.....

We are allegedly sending Lee to the Angels for Ramon Ortiz aka Little Pedro and a Signle A CF from the Angels....he also said we were getting rid of a long time utility AAA player....who would that be?>???

doublem23
10-31-2001, 11:03 PM
Originally posted by MaggPipes
he also said we were getting rid of a long time utility AAA player....who would that be?>???

Perhaps Berry? Or Barry? Maybe Bahry? Or is it Beary? Perhaps Bury?

Whatever.... That's an interesting deal, especially considering the Angels are as stacked with bad defensive OF corners as we are...

danman31
10-31-2001, 11:04 PM
Originally posted by MaggPipes
Well i have heard that this is going down........

Someone i know read it in a Anaheim Newspaper.....

We are allegedly sending Lee to the Angels for Ramon Ortiz aka Little Pedro and a Signle A CF from the Angels....he also said we were getting rid of a long time utility AAA player....who would that be?>???


YES!!!! I hope this is true. I was one of the few that said trade Caballo. I like his offense, but d no. Plus I love Ramon Ortiz. CF-Rowand, LF-Borchard(he is slower than Rowand) RF-Maggs(who else?) That's better.

Aww, s***, the Yanks just won. Bye bye Arizona, nice try, join the list.

MaggPipes
10-31-2001, 11:04 PM
yeah but they are also supposedly dealing Vaughn.....Lee would rightfully DH....

MaggPipes
10-31-2001, 11:14 PM
You Know i hope this trade does go down
then you are looking at this line-up and we are still going to be making some moves.........

2b Durham
CF Rowand
DH Thomas
RF Ordonez
1b Konerko
LF Borchard
SSClayton/Valentin
3b Crede
C Almoar

Rotation

SP Mark Buehrle
SP David Wells
SP Ramon Ortiz
SP Jon Garland
SP Wright/Glover/K. Wells/J Rauch

That leaves us with a LIGHTS OUT bull pen with Glover and the Kipster in it , and with Parque as the Lefty specialist, Howry another year removed from Surgery and Foulke to close the door......not to mention a healthy Osuna......

This team would win some games.....

jklm
10-31-2001, 11:15 PM
Ortiz's biography on yahoo:

http://bigleaguers.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6/6317/

Ramon is so much fun to watch because he displays incredible emotion on the mound. The energetic righthander spent about half of 2000 in the Angels' rotation, but still led club starters in wins (8) as well as complete games (2). Ramon began the season on the disabled list with a slightly TORN LABRUM (shoulder) and was even dispatched to Edmonton (AAA) a couple of times before being recalled by the Angels on August 8 to start against Pedro Martinez and the Boston Red Sox. Ramon was brilliant that day as he allowed only two hits in a complete-game victory over his fellow Dominican.

Two words for KW: Buyer Beware

Jerry_Manuel
10-31-2001, 11:18 PM
Originally posted by MaggPipes
You Know i hope this trade does go down
then you are looking at this line-up and we are still going to be making some moves.........
CF Rowand
LF Borchard

Rotation
SP David Wells
SP Ramon Ortiz
SP Jon Garland
SP Wright/Glover/K. Wells/J Rauch

That leaves us with a LIGHTS OUT bull pen

I don't see Joe making the team out of spring training. And don't fotget about CLR's guy Singleton. One day Jerry likes defense then he says "Well you need to hit in the AL" so who knows. There is no lock of Wells coming back. Any bullpen containing the gas can is not lights out.

MaggPipes
10-31-2001, 11:18 PM
ahhhh but you forgott to post this:

With two- and four-seam fastballs, a changeup and a slider, Ramon has the kind of stuff to become a big winner in the Major Leagues. Built just like Martinez at 6-0 and 175 pounds, he held righthanded hitters to a .219 batting average in 2000, compared to .250 for lefthanders. Ramon made his big-league debut with the Angels in August 1999 after beginning that season in Double-A. He made nine starts for Anaheim and went 2-3, with a 6.52 ERA and 44 strikeouts, in 48.1 innings.

Jerry_Manuel
10-31-2001, 11:20 PM
Originally posted by MaggPipes
With two- and four-seam fastballs, a changeup and a slider, Ramon has the kind of stuff to become a big winner in the Major Leagues. Built just like Martinez at 6-0 and 175 pounds, he held righthanded hitters to a .219 batting average in 2000, compared to .250 for lefthanders. Ramon made his big-league debut with the Angels in August 1999 after beginning that season in Double-A. He made nine starts for Anaheim and went 2-3, with a 6.52 ERA and 44 strikeouts, in 48.1 innings.

Sounds like Juan Cruz.

:moron
You meant the next Pedro.

MaggPipes
10-31-2001, 11:22 PM
trading Lee makes it harder for Jerry to play musical chairs line-ups....also getting rid of one of our SS would too.........

I am not going to say which one...cause we have allready been down that road MANY a time.....LOL

Jerry_Manuel
10-31-2001, 11:25 PM
Originally posted by MaggPipes
I am not going to say which one...cause we have allready been down that road MANY a time.....LOL


I'll gladly go down the road once again.
If there going to trade Carlos and leave Singelton in center then Clayton should get the boot.

MaggPipes
10-31-2001, 11:29 PM
On the contrary i like a smooth fielding SS.......I like Manos too....but my hands are tied......i don't know for 100%.....only if Valentin could play D.....I mean i have this game for N64 All-Star Baseball 2002.....my friend and i do drafts on it all the time....i allways pick Manos, becasue they have him as an AWESOME fielder.....A defense infact....they have his power up there also.....Hmmmm........to bad that isn't real like....Oh yeah, also on that game that Masaoka that we got from the Dodgers aparently has awesome stuff FYI.......high 90's and good breaking ball.......this game is pretty realistic with rankings so i am excited about him....

longshot7
11-01-2001, 12:47 AM
As a bonafide Angeleno - and this may or may not mean anything - I haven't heard one word about this out here. The Angels are supposedly building for the future around Ortiz, Schoenweis, and Washburn. Of course with a cost-cutting accountant as your GM, this may mean anything. Besides, they have Erstad, Salmon, and Anderson all signed for next year, albeit Kingfish is a FA at the end of the 2002.

Even though Ramon has tremendous potential, I still see Carlos becoming another Manny Ramirez, so I don't make the move, but hey, I'm not the GM.

dougs78
11-01-2001, 09:43 AM
God, i think that would be a fantastic trade. Ramon is gifted, and I would be happy to see him develop wih the sox. I am trying to find any trace of this article onine, but am as yet unsuccessful. I would love to think we could get a pitcher like ramon here.

Bmr31
11-01-2001, 12:00 PM
hmmmmmm i dunno guys. The sox already have a ton of young pitching. while i like ortiz, it would make no sense to deal lee for ortiz. If we are going to deal Lee, lets get what we need.

WinningUgly!
11-01-2001, 12:20 PM
This deal would work for me! I've liked Ortiz since the beginning of the 2001 season. I read something at ESPN.com about him having "Pedro-like" stuff, so I picked him up on my fantasy baseball team last season & followed him the whole year. There's no doubt that he'll be a very solid pitcher in the league for years, I don't know about being the next Pedro, but I'll take him!. He's got reat stuff & would be a great addition to our pitching staff! I like Carlos, but the only way he's gonna ever compare to Manny Ramirez is with his defensive ability-or lack there of! I hope this deal gets done!

czalgosz
11-01-2001, 02:29 PM
I would love to see a Lee-for-Ortiz trade (and also see the Sox trade either Valentin or Clayton for a middle-infield prospect or a catcher) but that trade makes too much sense for both teams to ever happen. KW hasn't picked up a young guy (I believe Ortiz is 25 or 26) at all thus far - seems he's enamored of guys who used to be good. He'll probably trade Lee to Detroit for Jose Lima or something...

Jerry_Manuel
11-01-2001, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by czalgosz
KW hasn't picked up a young guy (I believe Ortiz is 25 or 26) at all thus far - seems he's enamored of guys who used to be good.

Glover is 25.

Tragg
11-01-2001, 06:44 PM
I remain leery about trading C Lee
His defense is bad - but I think he could play first.

Offensively, he has immense potential. He had a poor year - which is precisely the time NOT to trade him.

Ortiz is interesting. ONe troubling spot - they say he has great velocity - we need a power pitcher - but his strike out totals are low. his walk totals are a touch high (lower than garland or wells, but still a tad high).

Interesting, but i"m leery.