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Fenway
03-14-2005, 03:19 PM
Now that the Expos are in DC, baseball has to fix this franchise

Curse of the Devil (Rays) (http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/08/Rays/Curse_of_the_Devil_Ra.shtml)
By MARC TOPKIN
There have been a lot of curse words in baseball lately.
http://www.sptimes.com/graphics/more-triangle.gifGo to article (http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/08/Rays/Curse_of_the_Devil_Ra.shtml)


So many mishaps (http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/08/Rays/So_many_mishaps.shtml)
by MARC TOPKIN
Under GM Chuck LaMar, poor judgment and luck have amplified the impact of a tiny payroll.
http://www.sptimes.com/graphics/more-triangle.gifGo to article (http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/08/Rays/So_many_mishaps.shtml)


Baseball didn't bring business (http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/07/Rays/Baseball_didn_t_bring.shtml)
By LOUIS HAU
While sports officials tout an ability to spur the local economy when they need buildings built, try convincing the business owners around the Trop.
http://www.sptimes.com/graphics/more-triangle.gifGo to article (http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/07/Rays/Baseball_didn_t_bring.shtml)


Fans as scarce as wins (http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/07/Rays/Fans_as_scarce_as_wins.shtml)
By DAMIAN CRISTODERO
The Tampa Bay market was supposed to be ripe for baseball, but filling Tropicana Field has proven more difficult than expected.
http://www.sptimes.com/graphics/more-triangle.gifGo to article (http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/07/Rays/Fans_as_scarce_as_wins.shtml)


Tropicana isn't a draw, but is it the problem? (http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/07/Rays/Tropicana_isn_t_a_dra.shtml)
By DAMIAN CRISTODERO
Tropicana Field hasn't engendered the warm feelings that other new, retro-style parks around the majors have.
http://www.sptimes.com/graphics/more-triangle.gifGo to article (http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/07/Rays/Tropicana_isn_t_a_dra.shtml)


What went wrong? (http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/06/Rays/What_went_wrong.shtml)
By MARC TOPKIN
It began with a whirl of enthusiasm and expectations. Ten years later, the Devil Rays' luster appears lost.
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It isn't, 'Who will replace Vince?' Just, 'When?' (http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/06/Rays/It_isn_t___Who_will_r.shtml)
By MARC TOPKIN
For all Stuart Sternberg has going for him, the thing that might ensure his success is simple: He's not Vince Naimoli.
http://www.sptimes.com/graphics/more-triangle.gifGo to article (http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/06/Rays/It_isn_t___Who_will_r.shtml)

Waiting for a windfall (http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/09/Rays/Waiting_for_a_windfall.shtml)
By DAMIAN CRISTODERO
It might take a new economic system, or a move out of the AL East, to level the field enough for the Devil Rays to compete.
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The twin cities of baseball (http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/13/Rays/The_twin_cities_of_ba.shtml)
By MARC TOPKIN
Small market, low payroll, domed stadium ... Minnesota's winning ways up next for Rays?
http://www.sptimes.com/graphics/more-triangle.gifGo to article (http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/13/Rays/The_twin_cities_of_ba.shtml)

Baby Fisk
03-14-2005, 03:28 PM
What the hell? :?: Is this all from a Devil Rays' retrospective?

DaleJRFan
03-14-2005, 03:33 PM
I don't understand why you would play in a dome in one of the warmest climates in the country.

Fenway
03-14-2005, 03:39 PM
I don't understand why you would play in a dome in one of the warmest climates in the country.

Having lived in Tampa Bay for one summer I can assure you the heat is a problem but so also are the thunderstorms that hit like clockwork around 5 or 5 30 PM every night it seems.

The owner is a PR nightmare....friends there told me that he wanted the games to start at 7:15 PM because he liked the time.

But I had a sense baseball would be a tough sell in Florida as FSL games usually only would draw a few hundred ( and you could always find coupons to get in for a buck)

Baby Fisk
03-14-2005, 03:43 PM
When your "team retrospective" is that bad, it's time to move...

SOXintheBURGH
03-14-2005, 03:45 PM
When your "team retrospective" is that bad, it's time to move...

To where? I heard some cities in Canada can support a franchise.

Dadawg_77
03-14-2005, 03:45 PM
"The only thing that keeps this organization from being recognized as one of the finest in baseball is wins and losses at the major-league level."
--Devil Rays GM Chuck LaMar (St. Petersburg Times)

I think quote sums up Tampa Bay pretty well.

Baby Fisk
03-14-2005, 03:49 PM
To where? I heard some cities in Canada can support a franchise.

Vegas is the new Tampa. :cool:

samram
03-14-2005, 04:03 PM
"The only thing that keeps this organization from being recognized as one of the finest in baseball is wins and losses at the major-league level."
--Devil Rays GM Chuck LaMar (St. Petersburg Times)

I think quote sums up Tampa Bay pretty well.

People can be so picky about these things.

Palehose13
03-14-2005, 04:06 PM
Having lived in Tampa Bay for one summer I can assure you the heat is a problem but so also are the thunderstorms that hit like clockwork around 5 or 5 30 PM every night it seems.


That and the whole "hurricane season" thing. :wink:

DaleJRFan
03-14-2005, 04:13 PM
Tampa just sucks, as a collective whole. I have had several business trips there over the past few years and I found the city to be dirty and BORING. The people are rude, stupid and just don't care.

I still wonder how they landed an MLB club in the first place.

Baby Fisk
03-14-2005, 04:15 PM
Tampa just sucks, as a collective whole. I have had several business trips there over the past few years and I found the city to be dirty and BORING. The people are rude, stupid and just don't care.

I still wonder how they landed an MLB club in the first place.

Tampa used to be the new Seattle, and so on, and so on...

Fenway
03-14-2005, 04:17 PM
Montreal at least had fans up until 10 years ago

There is NO reason for that franchise to exist.

When you can only draw 1.1 M and you have 19 home dates with Boston and the Yankees alone you might as well fold up your tent and go home.

Baby Fisk
03-14-2005, 04:21 PM
Montreal at least had fans up until 10 years ago

There is NO reason for that franchise to exist.

When you can only draw 1.1 M and you have 19 home dates with Boston and the Yankees alone you might as well fold up your tent and go home.

If baseball flops in DC again, it's contraction time...

Stroker Ace
03-14-2005, 04:38 PM
Within 3 years, the D-Rays will be playin in Vegas.

MisterB
03-14-2005, 04:45 PM
"The only thing that keeps this organization from being recognized as one of the finest in baseball is [the fact that is isn't.]"
--Devil Rays GM Chuck LaMar (St. Petersburg Times, edited for accuracy)


:D:

ChiSoxRowand
03-14-2005, 05:09 PM
Florida baseball just didn't work out. Hell, Florida is just a bad state for sports. The residents of Florida are not from there. Both baseball teams do bad, The dolphins can't sell out playoff games and the Jaguars can't sell tickets either. I think the Magic have trouble selling tickets too, I heard some talk of them maybe moving. I don't know how the Heat did before this year, but they are doing well at the box office this year with Shaq in town.

Banix12
03-14-2005, 05:54 PM
Interesting reads. Much like the people of Tampa Bay I rarely pay attention to the D-Rays. It's unfathomable that Chuck Lamar has kept that GM job for ten years. Though I could understand with the owner micromanaging baseball operations.

Though I think the Devil Rays organization has been the biggest warning against teams drafting High School players high and investing their future in them

DaleJRFan
03-14-2005, 06:07 PM
Tampa just sucks, as a collective whole. I have had several business trips there over the past few years and I found the city to be dirty and BORING. The people are rude, stupid and just don't care.

I still wonder how they landed an MLB club in the first place.

Sorry for sounding so negative, I am sure there are lots of nice people in Tampa, but I've just had some really bad experiences there...

wdelaney72
03-15-2005, 08:19 AM
"You just can't up and move a baseball team on a whim. We've got a lease with the city."

I'm sure Vegas would be a better area, but the team won't be going anywhere until the lease expires (or is close to expiring).

TDog
03-15-2005, 10:37 AM
...I'm sure Vegas would be a better area, but the team won't be going anywhere until the lease expires (or is close to expiring).

Las Vegas isn't a major league city. Locating a major league team there wouldn't make it one.

Before it gets a team, the city of The Meadows and the county of Clark would have to ban betting on baseball

batmanZoSo
03-15-2005, 11:17 AM
The Devil Rays need a new owner, a new stadium, new uniforms and they need to be destroyed.

Palehose13
03-15-2005, 11:24 AM
Sorry for sounding so negative, I am sure there are lots of nice people in Tampa, but I've just had some really bad experiences there...

Sorry to hear that you had bad experiences there. My dad has a condo in Largo (Tampa/St. Pete area) and I love going there. It's hard to get him home. However I am sure his experiences are mcuh different than yours being that he is retired and you were there on business trips. :wink:

Viva Medias B's
03-15-2005, 12:26 PM
:wills
"Regardless of what you guys say about Tampa, it can't be any worse than The Shrine."

tlebar318
03-15-2005, 12:52 PM
I don't understand why you would play in a dome in one of the warmest climates in the country.

rains every afternoon--almost and very hot and humid...

tlebar318
03-15-2005, 12:57 PM
Actually if they consider moving it I wish they would look at Orlando--then I can see where maybe they could draw fans from more areas since Orlando is in the middle of the state--I would also say that on a personal level this would be awesome--it gets old driving 100 miles each way to go and see the Sox play in St.Pete--but I am doing it again on May 9th, 10th, and 11th!! :D:

SoxSpeed22
03-15-2005, 12:59 PM
Interesting reads. Much like the people of Tampa Bay I rarely pay attention to the D-Rays. It's unfathomable that Chuck Lamar has kept that GM job for ten years. Though I could understand with the owner micromanaging baseball operations.

Though I think the Devil Rays organization has been the biggest warning against teams drafting High School players high and investing their future in themYou do realize you're talkin' to a lot of Bulls fans right? Putting all our eggs in the baskets of two certain high-schoolers and waiting for them to grow up set us back 3 years. Now, I don't have a problem with them, but the waiting was painful.

HITMEN OF 77
03-15-2005, 01:42 PM
Florida baseball just didn't work out. Hell, Florida is just a bad state for sports. The residents of Florida are not from there. Both baseball teams do bad, The dolphins can't sell out playoff games and the Jaguars can't sell tickets either. I think the Magic have trouble selling tickets too, I heard some talk of them maybe moving. I don't know how the Heat did before this year, but they are doing well at the box office this year with Shaq in town.

The Dolphins have a big following though, they may not sell out every game but the stadium is still packed. Baseabll doesn't go there though. Maybe since so many teams have ST there? The Devil Rays problem starts with that ugly dome and goes from there.

Palehose13
03-15-2005, 01:45 PM
The Dolphins have a big following though, they may not sell out every game but the stadium is still packed. Baseabll doesn't go there though. Maybe since so many teams have ST there? The Devil Rays problem starts with that ugly dome and goes from there.

Maybe baseball doesn't fly there because of all the snowbirds. When I was in the St. Pete area last year in early June it there was a huge difference from when I was there in the winter.

DaleJRFan
03-15-2005, 01:55 PM
Sorry to hear that you had bad experiences there. My dad has a condo in Largo (Tampa/St. Pete area) and I love going there. It's hard to get him home. However I am sure his experiences are mcuh different than yours being that he is retired and you were there on business trips. :wink:

I am sure that as long as you stay the hell out of the Tampa city limits, it's a great area to live. Clearwater is beautiful, but the actual city of Tampa, S-U-C-K-S.

Where is Largo? I noticed the smaller cities directly north of Tampa along the bay coast were very nice. I found this total dive seafood restaurant with a sand floor, saggy roof, right on the beach next to a dock or some sort.... but it was great. I love finding places like that....

tlebar318
03-15-2005, 02:09 PM
actually St. Pete is quite nice which is actually where the Devil Rays play--

Viva Medias B's
03-15-2005, 02:11 PM
The Dolphins have a big following though, they may not sell out every game but the stadium is still packed. Baseabll doesn't go there though. Maybe since so many teams have ST there? The Devil Rays problem starts with that ugly dome and goes from there.

:hijacked: Speaking of the Dolphins, they are switching (http://www.miamidolphins.com/pressbox/pressreleases/pressreleases.asp?contentID=3768) radio homes. While the Dolphins are on the move, the Marlins remain on WQAM.

Fenway
03-15-2005, 02:42 PM
actually St. Pete is quite nice which is actually where the Devil Rays play--

umm South St Petersburg where the Trop is makes the area east of The Cell look like Glencoe.

1/3 of the people living in Tampa Bay are on fixed incomes.

The Devil Rays even with their young kids maturing will still have almost no hope of a playoff spot because even if they climb above Baltimore and Toronto you have to try and edge out either Boston or New York for second place before you can even think about a wild card.

West coast of Florida tend to be more midwest than Miami/Lauderdale so I think Tampa should be in one of the Central divisions. Problem is to do that who is willing to go to the same division as New York and Boston?

The Brewers go back to the AL where they have a history? Doubtful since they can't even compete in the NL Cent.

The Marlins? Possible as there are a ton of transplanted New Yorkers and New Englanders in So Florida

I would not rule out the White Sox. JR knows that NYY and Boston will bang The Cell out 18-20 games.

Baby Fisk
03-15-2005, 02:44 PM
I would not rule out the White Sox. JR knows that NYY and Boston will bang The Cell out 18-20 games.
Mind blowing, but will never happen.

tlebar318
03-15-2005, 02:47 PM
[QUOTE=fenway]umm South St Petersburg where the Trop is makes the area east of The Cell look like Glencoe.

I agree right by the stadium is a little rough but if you drive 5 minutes toward the gulf there is an area called "The Pier" which is a cool place--

MIgrenade
03-15-2005, 02:47 PM
Wouldn't be a problem having a MLB club in Vegas because all they rely on is tourist money? There would be no actual following or devotion for the team. I understand that it would help to have something for families to do in Vegas but I don't think it's the answer.
I say start by bringing them in to the central division where the competition and spending isn't as big as the east. At least they can beat the Royals...maybe.

Fenway
03-15-2005, 03:10 PM
[QUOTE=fenway]umm South St Petersburg where the Trop is makes the area east of The Cell look like Glencoe.

I agree right by the stadium is a little rough but if you drive 5 minutes toward the gulf there is an area called "The Pier" which is a cool place--

I did demographic work on the failed Tampa bid in 1990-1 ( Miami/Colorado) when the team would have been the Tampa Bay Whitecaps.

The Trop was/is a bad location to begin with. There was a reason it was still an empty gas tank farm in 1987, no developer wanted it.

People in Tampa do not like crossing the bridge to Pinellas County. Now had they built the dome where Home Shopping wound up MAYBE just MAYBE it would be better.

I just think people there couldn't care less. Baseball is as important as arena football and the NHL

Baby Fisk
03-15-2005, 03:16 PM
Well you know, when you build a stadium that's a piece of crap, people won't come, right?

Fenway
03-15-2005, 03:26 PM
Well you know, when you build a stadium that's a piece of crap, people won't come, right?

A lot can be explained here

http://www.andelman.com/sfr/sfr-ch06a.html

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/gsapp/BT/DOMES/TIMELN/suncoast/sun-03.jpg

whitesoxwilkes
03-15-2005, 03:28 PM
My old man lives in Valrico, about 20 min West of Tampa proper.

I asked him about this last night...he says that the reason is one that's touched on a bit in the St. Pete Times articles. People get burned out and spoiled at the same time by Spring Training.

For one month a year, they can go to small parks that are right smack in the middle of small towns, pay 5 bucks to park and 12 bucks for a decent ticket and watch a veritable buffet of teams (Yankees, Phillies, Pirates, Tigers are all within 40 minutes of his house) play in charming little stadiums outside without having to fight traffic over I-275. For most people (including him), that's more than enough baseball.

Side note...we're heading down there tomorrow. Here's the games we're taking in:

Thursday: Braves at Pirates in Bradenton
Friday: Pirates at Phillies in Clearwater
Saturday: Tigers at Devil Rays in St. Pete
Sunday: Tigers at Twins in Ft. Myers

:gulp::bandance:

MiamiSpartan
03-15-2005, 07:40 PM
Actually if they consider moving it I wish they would look at Orlando--then I can see where maybe they could draw fans from more areas since Orlando is in the middle of the state--I would also say that on a personal level this would be awesome--it gets old driving 100 miles each way to go and see the Sox play in St.Pete--but I am doing it again on May 9th, 10th, and 11th!! :D:

I also think Orlando would be a better market. When the Marlins were awarded to Miami, everyone from the west coast complained that Tampa was the better baseball market. They didn't even draw their first year out, and the stadium is located in a really strange place--most locals really have to drive a distance to get there. and the park is butt-ugly.

Fenway
04-23-2005, 04:22 PM
I also think Orlando would be a better market. When the Marlins were awarded to Miami, everyone from the west coast complained that Tampa was the better baseball market. They didn't even draw their first year out, and the stadium is located in a really strange place--most locals really have to drive a distance to get there. and the park is butt-ugly.

A Boston columnist visits for the first time and can not believe what he sees

http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=79855&format=text

Tropicana Field follies: Stadium fitting symbol of Rays' futility
By Michael Gee
Saturday, April 23, 2005 - Updated: 10:41 AM EST

ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. - Entering Tropicana Field for the first time brings one thought to mind: The Tampa Bay Devil Rays [stats (http://146.145.120.3/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=bostonherald&page=mlb/teams/056/teamstats.aspx?team=056), schedule (http://146.145.120.3/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=bostonherald&page=mlb/teams/056/schedule.aspx?team=056,season=)] are cellar dwellers in more ways than one.
The dingy gray domed stadium with the slated roof isn't exactly a pastoral site for the national pastime. If Hollywood made a baseball version of ``The Longest Yard,'' the climatic game could be played here.
With the innate knack for tragicomic catastrophe the Tampa Bay franchisehas had since its inception in 1998, its 2005 marketing slogan, posted on billboards throughout the area, is ``Catch Some Rays.''
Way to go, fellas. Get out there and remind citizens of the Sunshine State that their home team plays indoors. Every time rush hour commuters hear or see that slogan, they think, ``Yeah, let's go to the beach tomorrow.''

Considering their history, the Devil Rays will likely decide to move the franchise to Montreal.

Ol' No. 2
04-23-2005, 05:07 PM
With all the energy expended criticizing the Yankees' screwing up the league financial stability, the TB owners may be doing more damage. This is a team that gets $30M in revenue sharing, $20M in network TV money and another $10M in other shared revenues from the league. So before they've sold a single ticket, they have $60M in revenues. And they have a payroll under $30M.

Lip Man 1
04-23-2005, 10:46 PM
According to two stories on the Ballpark Digest web site, the Marlins are now having trouble with their stadium deal and Proud To be Your Bud warned on the 22nd that unless the state legislature agrees to make up some financial differences the Marlins may be moving after all. (I know, big surprise that Bud would be pulling the old extorsion trick...)

The other story quotes Forbes Business Magazine as saying the Devil Rays were the most profitable team in baseball last season. (I know that's hard to believe but they say with all the revenue sharing money they are making out like highway robbers...)

Finally I have the D-Rays on my possible contraction list along with the Twins and A's when the CBA expires. The only thing going for the Rays is they have a 25 year least agreement and the city of St. Pete and the state of Florida warned baseball during the 2002 CBA process that if the Rays were contracted they'd immediately go to court like the Seattle Pilots and King County and have MLB tied up in the legal process for years to come.

Lip

Ol' No. 2
04-24-2005, 10:01 AM
According to two stories on the Ballpark Digest web site, the Marlins are now having trouble with their stadium deal and Proud To be Your Bud warned on the 22nd that unless the state legislature agrees to make up some financial differences the Marlins may be moving after all. (I know, big surprise that Bud would be pulling the old extorsion trick...)

The other story quotes Forbes Business Magazine as saying the Devil Rays were the most profitable team in baseball last season. (I know that's hard to believe but they say with all the revenue sharing money they are making out like highway robbers...)

Finally I have the D-Rays on my possible contraction list along with the Twins and A's when the CBA expires. The only thing going for the Rays is they have a 25 year least agreement and the city of St. Pete and the state of Florida warned baseball during the 2002 CBA process that if the Rays were contracted they'd immediately go to court like the Seattle Pilots and King County and have MLB tied up in the legal process for years to come.

LipYou're correct about the Rays (see my comments above), and highway robbery is a pretty apt description. Expect Bud to threaten contraction of whatever team is currently trying to get a publicly financed stadium. That's all it is - a bluff to bludgeon recalcitrant legislators. I have a standing bet offer - no team will be contracted after the next CBA.

Fenway
04-24-2005, 02:49 PM
They atracted big crowds ( for them ) this weekend ( all games 30,000+ )

Problem is they all Red Sox fans ( Rays win the dome was dead silent )

TheBull19
04-24-2005, 06:34 PM
West coast of Florida tend to be more midwest than Miami/Lauderdale so I think Tampa should be in one of the Central divisions.

Huh?

Fenway
04-25-2005, 10:34 AM
Huh?

People who settle in Tampa Bay and the Gulf coast tend to be from Ohio, Michigan, Illinois etc than the northeast.

South Florida tends to get more people moving from the northeast

Baby Fisk
04-25-2005, 10:41 AM
:hijacked: Hey fenway, what's behind the bad blood between Boston & Tampa? Things got pretty heated during Sunday's game.

Fenway
04-25-2005, 10:52 AM
:hijacked: Hey fenway, what's behind the bad blood between Boston & Tampa? Things got pretty heated during Sunday's game.

There has been bad blood between these teams for 5 years now. All started with Pedro headhunting

Baby Fisk
04-25-2005, 10:55 AM
There has been bad blood between these teams for 5 years now. All started with Pedro headhunting

Thx. I'm sure Lou Piniella does nothing to fan the flames.

Bump34
04-25-2005, 04:22 PM
They atracted big crowds ( for them ) this weekend ( all games 30,000+ )

Problem is they all Red Sox fans ( Rays win the dome was dead silent )

FYI... Rays win 2 games against the Red Sox ... and it was not quiet!!!

Fenway
04-25-2005, 04:37 PM
FYI... Rays win 2 games against the Red Sox ... and it was not quiet!!!

There was a lot more noise Friday night when Boston tied in in the 9th, then when Tampa won it in the bottom of the 9th.

Bump34
04-25-2005, 07:34 PM
There was a lot more noise Friday night when Boston tied in in the 9th, then when Tampa won it in the bottom of the 9th.

were you there???

Jjav829
04-25-2005, 07:55 PM
were you there???

Were you? :D:

beckett21
04-25-2005, 07:56 PM
There was a lot more noise Friday night when Boston tied in in the 9th, then when Tampa won it in the bottom of the 9th.

:wills

"I beg to differ!"

:redneck

Lip Man 1
04-25-2005, 08:14 PM
Dave:

Great to see you are still popping in now and again...hope all is well with you and the family.

Lip

Bump34
04-25-2005, 10:02 PM
Dave:

Great to see you are still popping in now and again...hope all is well with you and the family.

Lip


Things are fine so far... found a house and the family should be down here by the end of June... I am in Toronto now... forgot what 40 degrees and windy felt like...

And I am still checking the pulse of the folks at WSI... so far so good!!!

See some of you in July!!!

steff
04-26-2005, 12:31 PM
Things are fine so far... found a house and the family should be down here by the end of June... I am in Toronto now... forgot what 40 degrees and windy felt like...

And I am still checking the pulse of the folks at WSI... so far so good!!!

See some of you in July!!!

Check your emails much...?? :tongue:

Baby Fisk
04-26-2005, 12:35 PM
Things are fine so far... found a house and the family should be down here by the end of June... I am in Toronto now... forgot what 40 degrees and windy felt like...

And I am still checking the pulse of the folks at WSI... so far so good!!!

See some of you in July!!!

Sox fan in Toronto here. Still laughing over that Rays-Jays Mascot commercial! The french lumberjack was a nice touch. :cool:

Fenway
04-26-2005, 12:59 PM
were you there???

I was :D:
http://www.nmtv.com/images/nmtv_09.jpg

oh and Mr Wills was getting blasted on WEEI yesterday for calling the Red Sox bush league because of Sunday.

The Rays drew 30,000 + for 3 straight games. Easily two-thirds of the crowd was rooting for Boston.

AZChiSoxFan
04-26-2005, 01:22 PM
I was :D:
http://www.nmtv.com/images/nmtv_09.jpg

oh and Mr Wills was getting blasted on WEEI yesterday for calling the Red Sox bush league because of Sunday.



Of course that is meaningful, due to the fact that the folks at WEEI are so unbiased.