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crazyozzie02
03-08-2005, 01:12 PM
Finally My First Double-Digit Post....

....anywho, i usually dont complain mcu as seen from my posts, but i just got off Whitesox.com. They have another auction for a boy/girl to be the batboy or batgirl for the game. Get this: The OPENING BID is $5,000. Its not just this but every special thing that they have. I wish that i could do some of this stuff but seeming that i am still in high school, i cant afford it and neither can my family. I remember when picnic in the park was $200 per family. Now it is $200 per person. They talk about wanting do to things about the common man, but if that is true, then they need to lower the prices. I just want to find out what other peoples opininon of this is. :angry:

MUsoxfan
03-08-2005, 01:46 PM
Just find out how Bafia got his job and work from there...

thepaulbowski
03-08-2005, 01:51 PM
The money goes to charity, get over it. :whiner:

34 Inch Stick
03-08-2005, 02:04 PM
Tell them you are a kid who is big for his age and run the bases for free on Sundays.

HomeFish
03-08-2005, 02:28 PM
Remember, this is JR we're dealing with. Telling him to not hike prices is like telling a rainbow to stop being a rainbow.

HomeFish
03-08-2005, 02:30 PM
Tell them you are a kid who is big for his age and run the bases for free on Sundays.

I don't know if this has gotten better in past years, but back when they had free bat day for kids 16 and under, my cousin, who was well over 16, managed to get a bat by stating that he was an overgrown kid.

He wasn't just tall either; he was balding and had a goatee. So the redshirts can be tricked on such matters.

MUsoxfan
03-08-2005, 02:35 PM
He wasn't just tall either; he was balding and had a goatee. So the redshirts can be tricked on such matters.

I doubt they were tricked so much as they don't care. I know if I was handing out bats, I'd give them to anyone that looked within 5 years of 16

paciorek1983
03-08-2005, 09:36 PM
Are you implying that all those "blue collar" folks, who make "excellent UNION wages", don't have any money? And that "white collar" workers make money and can afford $5,000? Hey, I can't afford $5,000 a more "white collar" than blue and I'm a "comman man". In today's day and age I really don't like the inference that "blue collar" is the "common man" and the others are a bunch of yuppies who have the $ for everything. I know you're not really implying all of that, but I guess the whole blue collar/regular guy/comman man thing just gets to me sometimes.


At least, whoever wins the bid, the money does go to charity. I wish I would have had a chance to be a batboy when I was a kid.

Huisj
03-08-2005, 09:45 PM
Are you implying that all those "blue collar" folks, who make "excellent UNION wages", don't have any money? And that "white collar" workers make money and can afford $5,000? Hey, I can't afford $5,000 a more "white collar" than blue and I'm a "comman man". In today's day and age I really don't like the inference that "blue collar" is the "common man" and the others are a bunch of yuppies who have the $ for everything. I know you're not really implying all of that, but I guess the whole blue collar/regular guy/comman man thing just gets to me sometimes.


At least, whoever wins the bid, the money does go to charity. I wish I would have had a chance to be a batboy when I was a kid.


I wear polo shirts to work a lot. some have green collars, some blue, some yellow, some even red or pink or black . . . i'm one poor confused worker. I'll never know what category i work in.

Daver
03-08-2005, 09:48 PM
I wear polo shirts to work a lot. some have green collars, some blue, some yellow, some even red or pink or black . . . i'm one poor confused worker. I'll never know what category i work in.

I'm a plumber, and I wear white shirts.

maurice
03-08-2005, 09:51 PM
:hijacked:

This bat-day talk has reminded me of one of my more . . . interesting non-baseball experiences at the Cell. Way back when I was 16, I went to bat day, and the cute 20-year-old girls passing out the bats definitely were age-sensitive. I suppose I used to look old for my age. When I went to get a bat, they asked, "Are you sure you're 16?" Unfortunately, I didn't realize the connotation until it was too late and said, "Yes, defintiely." One of them responded, "Too bad," and handed me the bat instead of her phone number.

:redface:

SouthBendSox
03-08-2005, 09:54 PM
Scout seats, no more half-price nights, increased arrogance from Brooks...

its all adding up to the increased Flub-if-i-cation of our Sox

paciorek1983
03-08-2005, 10:00 PM
Scout seats, no more half-price nights, increased arrogance from Brooks...

its all adding up to the increased Flub-if-i-cation of our Sox





Hey that's great, then America will love us too..................:bandance:

Fake Chet Lemon
03-09-2005, 09:09 AM
But young Sox fans do grow up and get real jobs. These auctions aren't geared for kids, your day will come. :smile: The "Blue Collar" thing is outdated too.

TommyJohn
03-09-2005, 10:02 AM
I wear white collars to work, have what can be described as a "white collar"
job, and I make far less money than many of those fine and noble "blue
collar" folks.

crazyozzie02
03-10-2005, 10:24 AM
I did not mean to offend anyone by this thread. What i should of said instead of using the stereo-type of the blue collar man was for people who cant afford to do this. I know that it also it goes to charity, so im saying im sorry to anyone that i affended :whiner:

SOXintheBURGH
03-10-2005, 10:27 AM
I wear white collars to work, have what can be described as a "white collar"
job, and I make far less money than many of those fine and noble "blue
collar" folks.

Hey, I don't even have a job.:angry:

Baby Fisk
03-10-2005, 10:27 AM
I know that it also it goes to charity, so im saying im sorry to anyone that i affended :whiner:

No one is offended by your posts...except Kittle42. :cool:

kittle42
03-10-2005, 12:11 PM
No one is offended by your posts...except Kittle42. :cool:

Good call!:smile:

jabrch
03-10-2005, 12:13 PM
The Sox do have a lot of opportunities for the "blue collar" man. There are plenty of ways to get into the park for less $ and plenty of great things to do there. At the same time, they are marketing premium opportunities to people willing to pay a premium. There is nothing wrong with that.

mrwag
03-10-2005, 01:17 PM
The Sox do have a lot of opportunities for the "blue collar" man. There are plenty of ways to get into the park for less $ and plenty of great things to do there. At the same time, they are marketing premium opportunities to people willing to pay a premium. There is nothing wrong with that.
Sure, like charging extra for weekend games... Which is about the only time a working man has to go to the game and take his family.

Tannerfan
03-10-2005, 01:39 PM
The problem is the team needs to pull in more money so it can stay competitive, and keep people interested. Fans can't have it both ways. If you want the team to be a contender, then you can't complain about tickets and concessions costing too much because that's where a lot of the money comes from to pay the overpriced players. If baseball had a salary cap maybe teams would'nt have to continue to play every angle to increase revenue.

voodoochile
03-10-2005, 01:42 PM
The problem is the team needs to pull in more money so it can stay competitive, and keep people interested. Fans can't have it both ways. If you want the team to be a contender, then you can't complain about tickets and concessions costing too much because that's where a lot of the money comes from to pay the overpriced players. If baseball had a salary cap maybe teams would'nt have to continue to play every angle to increase revenue.

Hold on to that dream my socialist friend... :rolleyes:

Like it or not, with or without a salary cap, tiered pricing and revenue enhancement by every legal means is here to stay. The owners won't reduce prices if salaries drop, they will simply make more money.

Tannerfan
03-10-2005, 01:49 PM
Hold on to that dream my socialist friend... :rolleyes:

Like it or not, with or without a salary cap, tiered pricing and revenue enhancement by every legal means is here to stay. The owners won't reduce prices if salaries drop, they will simply make more money.

Yea I know your right, but I still wish baseball was structured like The NBA, and The NFL, where players still do very well, but small market teams have a better chance of competing.

Palehose13
03-10-2005, 02:00 PM
Scout seats, no more half-price nights, increased arrogance from Brooks...

its all adding up to the increased Flub-if-i-cation of our Sox




What in the hell are you babbling about? This is the second thread that I have seen you make this statement. It seems to me that you are evolving into nothing more than a: :dtroll:

jabrch
03-10-2005, 02:42 PM
Sure, like charging extra for weekend games... Which is about the only time a working man has to go to the game and take his family.

There are plenty of affordable ways to get tickets for weekend games. I'd suggest you start by calling Granton Marketing at 800 775 1975 and ask when they will sell their half price coupons. I'd reconsider you statement that they are charging extra for weekend games - and I'd say they are charging extra for SOME weekend games - not all. I'd then consider that as long as you aren't talking about the Cubs/Yanks/Dodgers/RedSox, (which are not more expensive cuz they are weekends - rather cuz they are the top opponents) that the difference in prices between a "Regular" weekend and a "Prime" weekend is only $4.00 per ticket. Really, I respect the plight of the blue collar man - but if you are paying $18 for a box seat, paying $22 doesn't change the affordability of it enough to warrant bitching. I'd then consider that the price you pay for a Sox ticket, even though SOME weekend games are more expensive than weekday night games, is still MUCH CHEAPER than much of the Sox competition, including the other team in this city, and many of the ballclubs in large cities like NY, Boston, LA, etc.

There are loads of opportunities to take your family of four to a game and have your ticket price be under $15 per seat. If you are looking for something to bitch about, I am sure you will find it. But White Sox baseball is an affordable entertainment outlet (with only a few exceptions) no matter how economic conscious you are.

Iwritecode
03-10-2005, 02:43 PM
The problem is the team needs to pull in more money so it can stay competitive, and keep people interested. Fans can't have it both ways. If you want the team to be a contender, then you can't complain about tickets and concessions costing too much because that's where a lot of the money comes from to pay the overpriced players. If baseball had a salary cap maybe teams would'nt have to continue to play every angle to increase revenue.

I have never been to a football game and ticket prices are only one of the reasons. It's much cheaper to watch the Sox play than the Bears...

jabrch
03-10-2005, 02:45 PM
I have never been to a football game and ticket prices are only one of the reasons. It's much cheaper to watch the Sox play than the Bears...

The least expensive Bears seats are more expensive than the most expensive Sox single game tickets (that's excluding the scout seats)

Foulke29
03-10-2005, 03:38 PM
The least expensive Bears seats are more expensive than the most expensive Sox single game tickets (that's excluding the scout seats)

Devil's advocate time - how many Bears home games are there as compared to the Sox?

rdivaldi
03-10-2005, 03:41 PM
Devil's advocate time - how many Bears home games are there as compared to the Sox?

Exactly. Season tickets for the Da Beloved are much, much cheaper due to the fact that there are only 10 regular season and preseason games as opposed to 81 regular season games.

Palehose13
03-10-2005, 03:41 PM
Devil's advocate time - how many Bears home games are there as compared to the Sox?

You beat me to it.

jabrch
03-10-2005, 03:51 PM
Devil's advocate time - how many Bears home games are there as compared to the Sox?


The Blue Collar Man, however, doesn't care. He isn't buying season tickets. If he wants, he could buy a 9 or 13 game package for much less than his 10 bears tickets would cost him. The other poster was griping that some games on the weekends (not all) had a $4.00 per ticket increase over others. We are talking about the cost of going to a baseball game, not the cost of season tickets.

You can take a family of 4 to a Sox game for under $50. That's within the budget of any blue collar man. The cheapest bears seats are $50 each. If you are concerned about the cost of all 81 games, vs all 10 Bears games, you are not worrying about being priced out of taking your family to a game.

voodoochile
03-10-2005, 03:53 PM
The least expensive Bears seats are more expensive than the most expensive Sox single game tickets (that's excluding the scout seats)

Yeah, but due to the number of games, season tickets to the bears are only $600 for every game including pre-season at the low end.

Most people can afford that. The cheapest full season ticket you can buy for the Sox is in the area of $1000. If you do the 27 game package, it's a bit different, but not much and most people don't buy UDR season tickets.

jabrch
03-10-2005, 04:10 PM
Yeah, but due to the number of games, season tickets to the bears are only $600 for every game including pre-season at the low end.

Most people can afford that. The cheapest full season ticket you can buy for the Sox is in the area of $1000. If you do the 27 game package, it's a bit different, but not much and most people don't buy UDR season tickets.

I understand that VC - but that's not what we are talking about. The poster said that the "Blue Collar Man" can not afford to take his family of 4 to a Sox game cuz the Sox are doing things to make it harder on the "Blue Collar Man" to afford it. That guy isn't buying season tickets to either Baseball or Football to take his wife and kids. That's not the context of the discussion here.

81 games vs 8 games - you can't compare the raw price when talking about the "Blue Collar Man" taking his family of 4. You have to look at the price per ticket.

As far as saying that people don't by UDR season tickets, now we are getting into the next issue which is not if Mr. Blue Collar Man can AFFORD to take his family of four to a game, but if he feels like he'd rather get better seats but can not afford them. The Sox market more expensive seats to people who can afford them. They have packages available, however, where even a "Blue Collar Man" can get a Minnie Plan for much much much less than his Bears season tickets would have cost. And he'd be in better seats if he wants, and not have to pay a PSL either.

I just don't see the arguement that the Sox are making it hard on "Mr. Blue Collar Man". As far as professional sports in this town, the Sox are the best value available for "Mr. Blue Collar Man" by a landslide. Compare it to a Bulls game, $30 to sit in the back half of the UD at the United Center where you can't see the ants on the floor? Hockey tickets? Bears? The Cubs charge way more for worse seats than the Sox do?

Bitch about management for some things and I can accept it. But this is a bad arguement in my humble opinion.

voodoochile
03-10-2005, 04:16 PM
I understand that VC - but that's not what we are talking about. The poster said that the "Blue Collar Man" can not afford to take his family of 4 to a Sox game cuz the Sox are doing things to make it harder on the "Blue Collar Man" to afford it. That guy isn't buying season tickets to either Baseball or Football to take his wife and kids. That's not the context of the discussion here.

81 games vs 8 games - you can't compare the raw price when talking about the "Blue Collar Man" taking his family of 4. You have to look at the price per ticket.

As far as saying that people don't by UDR season tickets, now we are getting into the next issue which is not if Mr. Blue Collar Man can AFFORD to take his family of four to a game, but if he feels like he'd rather get better seats but can not afford them. The Sox market more expensive seats to people who can afford them. They have packages available, however, where even a "Blue Collar Man" can get a Minnie Plan for much much much less than his Bears season tickets would have cost. And he'd be in better seats if he wants, and not have to pay a PSL either.

I just don't see the arguement that the Sox are making it hard on "Mr. Blue Collar Man". As far as professional sports in this town, the Sox are the best value available for "Mr. Blue Collar Man" by a landslide. Compare it to a Bulls game, $30 to sit in the back half of the UD at the United Center where you can't see the ants on the floor? Hockey tickets? Bears? The Cubs charge way more for worse seats than the Sox do?

Bitch about management for some things and I can accept it. But this is a bad arguement in my humble opinion.


Oh, I agree and I also agree that a family of 4 can go to a game for the $50 you mentioned if they are willing to sit UDR and eat before they go. Parking and at least one soda apiece probably makes it closer to $75 in reality, but there are some ways around that too.

The fact is that there aren't enough single game tickets available for the Bears to make this a valid argument anyway. Hockey is dying and basketball will never be inexpensive ever again. Sox games are a very reasonable bargain in terms of entertainment.

jabrch
03-10-2005, 04:32 PM
Oh, I agree and I also agree that a family of 4 can go to a game for the $50 you mentioned if they are willing to sit UDR and eat before they go. Parking and at least one soda apiece probably makes it closer to $75 in reality, but there are some ways around that too.

The fact is that there aren't enough single game tickets available for the Bears to make this a valid argument anyway. Hockey is dying and basketball will never be inexpensive ever again. Sox games are a very reasonable bargain in terms of entertainment.

it appears as if you agree with me. You can go on a Monday or a Tuesday and get lowers for half price. You can buy uppers and then upgrade at the park on days that the lower bowl isn't sold out. Anyhow, the Uppers really aren't a bad way to see a game. It may not be your preference - but you go to many games - and it is different. Growing up, I loved going to Old Comiskey no matter where I sat. Even today, I have a Ozzy package in the lowers, but bought single game UPPER DECK tickets for a few of the games in the first 2 months of the season using the Friends and Family half price code that is posted on this site. I am sitting in row 1, just outside of 1B for $10 per ticket. I chose that instead of half price lowers for only a few bucks more because I liked the different vantage point and really enjoy some of the sighlines in the UD. Frankly, if i could have chosen my seats for my Minnie plan, I might have taken upper premium box, as long as I could get row 1. I like that better than sitting in the OF bleachers or reserved seats and I like better than the lowers in the back half of the seating section outside the bases.

As far as parking - Mr. Blue Collar Man can take public transportation if he is so worried about the cost. Or he can park a few blocks away on the street and walk. As you said, there are ways around it.

My response was to the poster saying the Sox are squeezing the blue collar man out of baseball games - I think that's untrue. Cost of a game is still reasonable.

Iwritecode
03-10-2005, 04:55 PM
My only point was that the NFL and NBA both have salarly caps and that hasn't made the ticket prices any cheaper. Giving MLB a salary cap won't make a difference...

:cool:

voodoochile
03-10-2005, 05:18 PM
it appears as if you agree with me. You can go on a Monday or a Tuesday and get lowers for half price. You can buy uppers and then upgrade at the park on days that the lower bowl isn't sold out. Anyhow, the Uppers really aren't a bad way to see a game. It may not be your preference - but you go to many games - and it is different. Growing up, I loved going to Old Comiskey no matter where I sat. Even today, I have a Ozzy package in the lowers, but bought single game UPPER DECK tickets for a few of the games in the first 2 months of the season using the Friends and Family half price code that is posted on this site. I am sitting in row 1, just outside of 1B for $10 per ticket. I chose that instead of half price lowers for only a few bucks more because I liked the different vantage point and really enjoy some of the sighlines in the UD. Frankly, if i could have chosen my seats for my Minnie plan, I might have taken upper premium box, as long as I could get row 1. I like that better than sitting in the OF bleachers or reserved seats and I like better than the lowers in the back half of the seating section outside the bases.

As far as parking - Mr. Blue Collar Man can take public transportation if he is so worried about the cost. Or he can park a few blocks away on the street and walk. As you said, there are ways around it.

My response was to the poster saying the Sox are squeezing the blue collar man out of baseball games - I think that's untrue. Cost of a game is still reasonable.

Yeah, we agree, but for the record, Pub trans won't save a family of 4 money. Round trip for 4 people on the CTA is close to $16. You're better off driving if you have more than 3 people and most people would view the extra few dollars worth the trouble of driving even for groups of 2 or 3 people if they have a long trip home or the CTA isn't convenient to their house.

I've long been a proponent of the Sox being reasonably priced. I used to buy packages that did not include Mondays so I would have a cheap alternative to go to games when I wanted to go to more.

PaleHoseGeorge
03-10-2005, 05:20 PM
My only point was that the NFL and NBA both have salarly caps and that hasn't made the ticket prices any cheaper. Giving MLB a salary cap won't make a difference...

A salary cap is nothing more than a mechanical means of redistributing the money that naturally flows into a player's pocket back instead into the owner's pocket. It's welfare for ownership. There isn't an economist in the world that disputes this point.

Ticket prices are set by supply and demand as anyone who passed a first-year college economics class will tell you. Salaries have NOTHING to do with the price you pay for tickets, hot dogs, or beer. The owners would be idiots for charging you one nickel less than what the market will bear.

doublem23
03-10-2005, 07:05 PM
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paciorek1983
03-10-2005, 08:19 PM
Sure, like charging extra for weekend games... Which is about the only time a working man has to go to the game and take his family.

Yes, real working men don't work on weekends, and therefore don't have families.