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Fake Chet Lemon
03-04-2005, 05:44 PM
The March 11 Sporting News ranks the top 20 starting pitchers in order. Mark Buehrle makes the list, at #20. I wasn't buying that to begin with (too low), then I see Kerry Wood at #17! I DO NOT want to turn this into a Cubs vs Sox thing. But I really need to figure out- what is going on in their heads? How could that possibly be justified? :o: The list:
1 R. JOHNSON
2 J. SANTANA
3 C. SCHILLING
4 J. SCHMIDT
5 B. SHEETS
6 J. PEAVY
7 O. PEREZ
8 R. CLEMENS
9 P. MARTINEZ
10 R. OSWALT
11 M. PRIOR
12 C. ZAMBRANO
13 R. HALLADAY
14 B. RADKE
15 J. SMOLTZ
16 T. HUDSON
17 K. WOOD
18 L. HERNANDEZ
19 M. MULDER
20 M. BUEHRLE

gobears1987
03-04-2005, 05:45 PM
The idiots also put Radke high.

Fake Chet Lemon
03-04-2005, 05:46 PM
I meant to put this in "Talking Baseball", sorry! :redface:

Chisox003
03-04-2005, 05:51 PM
The March 11 Sporting News ranks the top 20 starting pitchers in order. Mark Buehrle makes the list, at #20. I wasn't buying that to begin with (too low), then I see Kerry Wood at #17! I DO NOT want to turn this into a Cubs vs Sox thing. But I really need to figure out- what is going on in their heads? How could that possibly be justified? :o: The list:
1 R. JOHNSON
2 J. SANTANA
3 C. SCHILLING
4 J. SCHMIDT
5 B. SHEETS
6 J. PEAVY
7 O. PEREZ
8 R. CLEMENS
9 P. MARTINEZ
10 R. OSWALT
11 M. PRIOR
12 C. ZAMBRANO
13 R. HALLADAY
14 B. RADKE
15 J. SMOLTZ
16 T. HUDSON
17 K. WOOD
18 L. HERNANDEZ
19 M. MULDER
20 M. BUEHRLE

I wonder if this is based on the years these guys have the POTENTIAL for or if these are based on predictions they WILL have...

In any case, I still dont know what the big deal is with Wood...Hes never reached higher 14 wins and is an injury waiting to happen...Buehrle should be higher

And Smoltz at 15??? If he makes it through May injury free I will be :o:
And Pedro...AHH Pedro...Dont get me goin....The guys good, but 9th?? Maybe a few years ago but not anymore...

Oh Well, under the radar

Lip Man 1
03-04-2005, 07:11 PM
Chet:

Those rankings are based on FANTASY BASEBALL. Fantasy folks have their own criteria for evaluating who is good and who is bad. That is a regular weekly column in the print edition of the magazine. This week it is on page 58 at the very top it says 'FANTASY SOURCE.'

You can relax now.
Lip

Fake Chet Lemon
03-04-2005, 08:29 PM
Thanks. Every week the ranking have been annoying the Hell out of me, now I know. I imagine strikeouts rank high in fantasy league. I can't do fantasy baseball, I don't want to jeopordize any loyalties.

baseball_fanatic
03-04-2005, 08:59 PM
If the rankings are based on fanatsy, it is easy to see why Wood is ranked higher. Since ERA and K's are often categories in most 5X5 leagues, Wood would rate a little higher. He will, if healthy have more K's than Buehrle and likely a lower ERA if due to nothing but the league in which he pitches. It doesn't say who will actually be the better pitcher, it's simply a statement as to who would be more valuable to a fantasy team.

zach074
03-04-2005, 09:41 PM
Wood is the most overrated player in baseball. The only reason he is thought of so highly is because of the big strike out game.

StillMissOzzie
03-04-2005, 11:48 PM
Wood is the most overrated player in baseball. The only reason he is thought of so highly is because of the big strike out game.

He has gotten more mileage out of that 19 (?) K game against the Astros, and that was what-5 or 6 years ago now? Yet his BEST season was 14 W's. *****.

SMO
:gulp:

SOXSINCE'70
03-05-2005, 02:17 PM
Wood is the most overrated player in baseball.

And so called "messiahs" Prior and Zambrano aren't far behind him.:angry:

WhiteSoxFan84
03-05-2005, 02:40 PM
How is Santana behind Randy Johnson???

JKryl
03-07-2005, 12:17 AM
As a pitcher, I don't think Wood is all that much better than Buhrle, but Wood is more dominating. By that I mean he looks meaner when he's on the mound, as opposed to a guy who looks like he's just out there to pitch. Wood has a lot of the old, "the plate belongs to me, approach at your own risk" attitude that the old time pitchers used to have. It's an attitude I'd llike the Sox pitchers to embrace once in a while.

SoxFan76
03-07-2005, 12:19 AM
And so called "messiahs" Prior and Zambrano aren't far behind him.:angry:

Zambrano is the best pitcher on that staff.

MUsoxfan
03-07-2005, 12:44 AM
Of those 20, here's my list:

1 C. Schilling
2 R. Johnson
3 B. Sheets
4 J. Santana
5 J. Peavy
6 J. Schmidt
7 R. Clemens
8 O. PEREZ
9 T. Hudson
10 R. OSWALT
11 M. Mulder
12 C. ZAMBRANO
13 R. HALLADAY
14 M. Buerhle
15 K. Wood
16 M. Prior
17 B. Radke
18 L. HERNANDEZ
19 P. Martinez
20 J. Smoltz

I would certainly take a couple off this list, but this is the list I have

faneidde
03-07-2005, 08:38 AM
How is Santana behind Randy Johnson???
I'm not really sure why you put that in teal. Santana's second half last year has been argued by some as the greatest half of a season a pitcher has had in the last 30 years. His season last year certainly ranks up there with Pedro's best year (can't remember which) and one can make an argument he is the best pitcher in the game right now.

fusillirob1983
03-07-2005, 11:40 AM
Zambrano is the best pitcher on that staff.

Agreed.

Rocklive99
03-07-2005, 06:18 PM
Since it is fantasy I bet USCF being the field where the most homeruns have been hit had something to do with it

FedEx227
03-07-2005, 07:47 PM
1 C. Schilling
2 R. Johnson
3 B. Sheets
4 J. Santana
5 J. Peavy
6 J. Schmidt
7 R. Clemens
8 O. PEREZ
9 T. Hudson
10 R. OSWALT
11 M. Mulder
12 C. ZAMBRANO
13 R. HALLADAY
14 M. Buerhle
15 K. Wood
16 M. Prior
17 B. Radke
18 L. HERNANDEZ
19 P. Martinez
20 J. Smoltz

I would def. not put Wood above Prior... Wood is overrated fantasy-wise and in real life. He wouldn't even be in my Top 20.

SoxSpeed22
03-07-2005, 08:00 PM
I would def. not put Wood above Prior... Wood is overrated fantasy-wise and in real life. He wouldn't even be in my Top 20. He's good, but seriously, If he played until 40, he'd be on pace to win 145 games. Buehrle would win over 200 easy if he stayed until 40. Wood has stuff, that doesn't translate on the field.

MUsoxfan
03-07-2005, 08:21 PM
I would def. not put Wood above Prior... Wood is overrated fantasy-wise and in real life. He wouldn't even be in my Top 20.

I'm not sold on Prior yet either. He got hit hard when he played last year.

PAPChiSox729
03-07-2005, 08:37 PM
I'm not really sure why you put that in teal. Santana's second half last year has been argued by some as the greatest half of a season a pitcher has had in the last 30 years. His season last year certainly ranks up there with Pedro's best year (can't remember which) and one can make an argument he is the best pitcher in the game right now.

I agree. Santana was nearly perfect during the second half. Don't get me wrong, RJ is pretty good, but Santana is just as good and isn't as much of a health concern.

PatK
03-10-2005, 11:39 AM
Prior is just as overrated as Wood. How many good years has he had, one?

I find it comical that Mark is rated lower that two pitchers who combined for as many wins as he had.

Zambrano is the best pitcher on that staff. And Clement was the most consistent.

Dan H
03-10-2005, 12:46 PM
Wood is the most overrated player in baseball. The only reason he is thought of so highly is because of the big strike out game.

I agree. I really don't care about rankings, fantasy or not. Kerry Wood has not gotten through a season without some serious injury. 2005 will be no different. The Cubbies are going nowhere, just like the 96 seasons previous. Problem is I still have doubts about the Sox.

Foulke You
03-10-2005, 01:03 PM
Wood is highly overrated. He is the most celebrated 14 win pitcher of this era of baseball for sure. Freddy Garcia is a better pitcher but hasn't gotten half of the hype that surrounds Wood.

WhiteSoxFan84
03-10-2005, 01:21 PM
I'm not really sure why you put that in teal. Santana's second half last year has been argued by some as the greatest half of a season a pitcher has had in the last 30 years. His season last year certainly ranks up there with Pedro's best year (can't remember which) and one can make an argument he is the best pitcher in the game right now.

How many perfect games did Santana throw last year?

As much as I hate to say this, Santana had a much better supporting cast that Johnson did last year. Santana had a great second half last year, no doubt, but RJ had a great year.

Also, that list has Ben Sheets 5th. Again, supporting cast may come into play here, but I really think that's overrating him.

mccombe_35
03-10-2005, 02:41 PM
I agree. Santana was nearly perfect during the second half. Don't get me wrong, RJ is pretty good, but Santana is just as good and isn't as much of a health concern.

Santana had a 20 start run last year better than any 20 start stretch Koufax EVER had! More innings, more Ws, better winning %, less hits against (BA against) & more Ks....

Tekijawa
03-10-2005, 02:48 PM
Santana was dropped in my Fantasy League last year right before the all star-break... I picked him up and the rest was history! I've had santana on one of my Fantasy teams for the past 3 years because he's good. I never understood, and I'm very happy that they didn't, why the twins never gave him a full time Starting position 2 years ago... The guy is just NASTY!

Fredsox
03-10-2005, 03:18 PM
Considering that Wood is on a plane back to Chicago for a medical exam on his shoulder (according to radio reports) it is likely that his standing will be reduced a bit.