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Medford Bobby
03-01-2005, 11:53 AM
:angry: Sports Contracts Could Be Dropped By Infinity

Infinity Chairman/CEO Joel Hollander also noted yesterday at the Bear Stearns Conference that rights to air Major League Baseball and National Football League games on its radio stations have become "diluted" thanks to TV, the Internet, satellite radio and now iPods. He told the crowd, "For my dime, it's not as exclusive at it was 10 years ago. So I'm not going to pay that amount of money for the rights." Hollander admits that lots of contracts are coming up for renewal, and he says, "We will absolutely renegotiate those deals. And if we don't we will walk from many of those deals." Hollander also says that much of the cash Infinity would have spent on sports contracts would instead go to reinforcing its talent pool. Among the other things Hollander said: Infinity did an "unbelievable job" of managing expenses in Q4, considering the marketing costs for Infinity's stations, paying an FCC fine and paying syndicated morning talent Howard Stern's salary.

Would this keep the Sox on ESPN 1000 or would they find if WTAQ La Grange is still available??:whiner:

Viva Medias B's
03-01-2005, 12:02 PM
:angry: Sports Contracts Could Be Dropped By Infinity

Infinity Chairman/CEO Joel Hollander also noted yesterday at the Bear Stearns Conference that rights to air Major League Baseball and National Football League games on its radio stations have become "diluted" thanks to TV, the Internet, satellite radio and now iPods. He told the crowd, "For my dime, it's not as exclusive at it was 10 years ago. So I'm not going to pay that amount of money for the rights." Hollander admits that lots of contracts are coming up for renewal, and he says, "We will absolutely renegotiate those deals. And if we don't we will walk from many of those deals." Hollander also says that much of the cash Infinity would have spent on sports contracts would instead go to reinforcing its talent pool. Among the other things Hollander said: Infinity did an "unbelievable job" of managing expenses in Q4, considering the marketing costs for Infinity's stations, paying an FCC fine and paying syndicated morning talent Howard Stern's salary.

Would this keep the Sox on ESPN 1000 or would they find if WTAQ La Grange is still available??:whiner:

Hollander is an idiot, like much of our CEO's today.

mcfish
03-01-2005, 12:08 PM
Is he serious when he says that "rights to air MLB and NFL games on its radio stations have become "diluted" thanks to TV?" Did he just read a memo from 1970 or something?

tebman
03-01-2005, 12:32 PM
Would this keep the Sox on ESPN 1000 or would they find if WTAQ La Grange is still available??:whiner:

Either way, it doesn't look good. The corporate masters who own the radio stations see them only as electronic billboards, and if they can make more money doing something other than baseball, then that's what they'll do.

I hope it continues to work out for WMVP. Even though WSCR has a better signal, it's pretty clear that its owners are not interested in carrying the Sox. The alternative is pretty bleak -- WTAQ has since become Radio Disney WRDZ :nuts:

- tebman

mcfish
03-01-2005, 12:36 PM
The alternative is pretty bleak -- WTAQ has since become Radio Disney WRDZ :nuts:

- tebmanThat would be fun. I would love to hear an edition of Ask Farmio on Radio Disney.

tebman
03-01-2005, 12:51 PM
That would be fun. I would love to hear an edition of Ask Farmio on Radio Disney.
:roflmao:
That would be great! Donald Duck asks Farmio, "Wakwak wakwak wakkk?" Farmio replies, "Now Wak has been known to be an issue in the game, which does remind me of the time I pitched to a catcher in the Pacific Coast League who had a speech impediment much like yours..."

- tebman

Fenway
03-01-2005, 01:23 PM
I warned you about this 4 months ago

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=41767


Now according to WEEI, MLB is telling it's member clubs that it would like to see a shift to the flagship stations to FM in short order. This would eliminate the clear channel broadcasts at night and thus make XM or computer paid broadcasts the only option outside the home market.

This could cause a major headache for one team as the Tribune Company for whatever reason years ago failed to invest in FM radio.

tebman
03-01-2005, 01:44 PM
I warned you about this 4 months ago

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=41767


Now according to WEEI, MLB is telling it's member clubs that it would like to see a shift to the flagship stations to FM in short order. This would eliminate the clear channel broadcasts at night and thus make XM or computer paid broadcasts the only option outside the home market.

This could cause a major headache for one team as the Tribune Company for whatever reason years ago failed to invest in FM radio.

You're right, Fenway. While it would be fun to watch the Tribune squirm about taking away WGN's reason for being, it's all part of a gradual slide in technology.

I love radio, but I don't know how much longer it can continue in the way we know it. Between XM, Sirius, the new IBOC/HD digital-broadcast scheme that's gradually being installed, "podcasting" via wi-fi nodes, and God knows what else, the waters are rising around that industry. Baseball geeks like us are going to be spending a lot of time at Radio Shack or Circuit City trying to find a receiving appliance to listen to ballgames.

However it shakes out, the only certainty is that it'll cost more.

- tebman

Fenway
03-01-2005, 01:50 PM
WEEI is at least covered as they own 2 FM licenses in the Boston market along with one in Providence.

What really set Infinity into a rage was that they have to provide the feed to XM but the commercials they sell will not be heard on XM. (XM will sell the time themselves )

I don't know this for sure but since XM will be doing this for every game I would "suspect" you may see the commercials on the computer feed get snipped starting this year as well.

ExtraInnings until now has been running the local commercials with the cable provider/satellite company allowed to sell the spots that would be for local insertion.


You're right, Fenway. While it would be fun to watch the Tribune squirm about taking away WGN's reason for being, it's all part of a gradual slide in technology.

I love radio, but I don't know how much longer it can continue in the way we know it. Between XM, Sirius, the new IBOC/HD digital-broadcast scheme that's gradually being installed, "podcasting" via wi-fi nodes, and God knows what else, the waters are rising around that industry. Baseball geeks like us are going to be spending a lot of time at Radio Shack or Circuit City trying to find a receiving appliance to listen to ballgames.

However it shakes out, the only certainty is that it'll cost more.

- tebman

Medford Bobby
03-01-2005, 02:18 PM
:angry: OK, refresh my memory but was there a plan out there that the Blackhawks would "pay" a radio station to broadcast the games??????...........sort of a 3 hour advertising block or brokeraged programming???


Could baseball be that way soon.....Well you already see it on TV .
Baseball has frowned on "Superstations" for many years of giving away games to other markets. TBS is slowly weening itself from Braves baseball...and soon down the road it will very rare to see Cups or Sox games on WGN as MLB will demand "Network prices" if these games go national. And thus the superstations have to pass that price to the cable and dish systems.....then many just simply drop WGN as is the case out here in Washington..Almost no systems carry WGN........:angry:

Lip Man 1
03-01-2005, 02:22 PM
Bobby:

Yes the Hawks did it that way last year. They bought the time and then sold advertising rights themselves and kept the revenue.

There are some universities who do the same thing, like Idaho State.

And remember in 1994 'The Baseball Network?' that was the exact same thing. MLB paid NBC for broadcast time then sold the advertising themselves. It was an Eddie Einhorn idea for MLB.

Lip

Fenway
03-01-2005, 02:24 PM
Yankees have been doing it for years on Viacom owned WCBS and before that WABC

Radio is a 6 AM to 6 PM biz stations make squat on ad revenue in non prime hours

Medford Bobby
03-01-2005, 02:39 PM
:smile: Could the future MLB Channel (I guess like the NFL Network, NBA TV) be a source for out of market games to be shown like a "Baseball Superstation"..live games, classic games, interview talk, etc.??:cool:


OK, so actually we may see the Sox do the same thing like the Blackhawks, and keep all the revenue generated from the broadcasts..........:bandance:

Fenway
03-01-2005, 03:01 PM
Bobby:


And remember in 1994 'The Baseball Network?' that was the exact same thing. MLB paid NBC for broadcast time then sold the advertising themselves. It was an Eddie Einhorn idea for MLB.

Lip

Which at the time was a horrible failure.

Einhorn always seems to be a decade ahead. The Baseball Channel was doomed when they decided to have playoffs game air at the same time and there was no alternate channel.

OWNERS GET THE MESSAGE THAT THEY WERE OFF-BASE LONG NIGHTS A GIANT LETDOWN (Boston Globe, October 8, 1995) (http://docs.newsbank.com/openurl?ctx_ver=z39.88-2004&rft_id=info:sid/iw.newsbank.com:NewsBank:BGBK&rft_val_format=info:ofi/fmt:kev:mtx:ctx&rft_dat=0EADE18060669A4C&svc_dat=InfoWeb:aggregated4&req_dat=0F40413B3B2D7D5C)

Even Eddie Einhorn, minority owner of the White Sox and leading defender of the TV schedule, confessed that he was frustrated. Chicago got the Reds- Dodgers series. Which LCS will be seen in the Windy City was still undecided as of Friday. With a team in each league, the city could get either one. The only certainty is that there will be complaints

But there is another likely reason for the blunder. Some owners claim to be fans, but very few think like fans. They are different from us, and they just didn't get it. Until last week. Never again, they promise.

Medford Bobby
03-01-2005, 03:06 PM
:(: That's right, remember when some of the playoffs were on the Family Channel, Animal Planet, Food Channel...you had to search for the games and alot of cable systems did not have FX Channel...:whiner:



:whiner: Baseball likes to complicate things......god bless the NFL and their control of product distribution...:bandance:

Fenway
03-01-2005, 03:08 PM
:(: That's right, remember when some of the playoffs were on the Family Channel, Animal Planet, Food Channel...you had to search for the games and alot of cable systems did not have FX Channel...:whiner:



:whiner: Baseball likes to complicate things......god bless the NFL and their control of product distribution...:bandance:

At least by then you could find the game SOMEWHERE

I remember back in 1995 the only reason we saw NL playoff games in Boston was that the cable company got CBC French out of Quebec which had the NL games.

Viva Medias B's
03-01-2005, 04:17 PM
Now according to WEEI, MLB is telling it's member clubs that it would like to see a shift to the flagship stations to FM in short order. That is lunacy.

hellenicsoxfan
03-01-2005, 06:40 PM
:angry: Sports Contracts Could Be Dropped By Infinity

Hollander also says that much of the cash Infinity would have spent on sports contracts would instead go to reinforcing its talent pool.


He'll need a lot of cash to improve most of the trash (with the exception of Boers & Bernstein and J. Hood) the Score has in its talent pool.

SpammySosa
03-01-2005, 09:25 PM
They're known as "Chicago's SPORTS RadioThe Score",yet they would rather pay big bucks to dopes like Crappy,Mike North talking about flatuence instead of broadcasting sporting events.:?:
:ass
"Coming up next hour,we will be talking about pissing in the shower,the Oscars,and laughing when old ladies slip and fall on the ice. After that MAYBE we will talk sports for 5 minutes."

Fenway
03-05-2005, 03:52 PM
The big radio companies have got to figure out what to do about satellite radio. FM stations are going to see the biggest loss of audience as once people get a taste of commercial free radio they won't be coming back. AM stations like WBBM and WGN will be OK with news and traffic as will the talkers.

Now with the money XM is paying MLB over the next 11 years (650 million) the key is to get as many baseball fans outside the home cities hooked. Moving games to FM instead of 50,000 watt AM clear channel stations makes sense as it will make it easier to set us regional markets in the teams home market and for fans hundreds of miles away you have no choice.

A shift to FM would not be a major issue in the home city.

Many NFL teams have moved to FM

Medford Bobby
03-05-2005, 03:57 PM
:angry: Hey us out of towners are already spending money to hear Sox games...so long as the technology is good (like XM)and we can get games any time (when avaialbe) then I don't mind spending the money...............:redneck

Fenway
03-05-2005, 04:02 PM
I know people who bought XM because WEEI has problems at night in the western suburbs of Boston ( even though they can be heard to the east as far as Norway )

Heck last year I paid $10 a month to hear WEEI on my phone when I was out of town :cool:

Medford Bobby
03-06-2005, 03:10 AM
:o: Heck if Jerry and Eddie (who championed pay TV for games in mid '80's) had said in 1982 that baseball fans might have to PAY for baseball radio broadcasts some 25 years down the road, we would have said they (MLB) were getting too greedy and fans would never pay...............:angry:

mcfish
03-06-2005, 01:30 PM
The big radio companies have got to figure out what to do about satellite radio. FM stations are going to see the biggest loss of audience as once people get a taste of commercial free radio they won't be coming back. AM stations like WBBM and WGN will be OK with news and traffic as will the talkers.

Now with the money XM is paying MLB over the next 11 years (650 million) the key is to get as many baseball fans outside the home cities hooked. Moving games to FM instead of 50,000 watt AM clear channel stations makes sense as it will make it easier to set us regional markets in the teams home market and for fans hundreds of miles away you have no choice.

A shift to FM would not be a major issue in the home city.

Many NFL teams have moved to FMHow long will it really be commercial free radio though? Cable TV was commercial free at one point too, and we all know how that turned out. It will have commercials soon enough, but after the initial reaction, people will just live with it because they're used to paying for it already.

Fenway
03-06-2005, 03:27 PM
How long will it really be commercial free radio though? Cable TV was commercial free at one point too, and we all know how that turned out. It will have commercials soon enough, but after the initial reaction, people will just live with it because they're used to paying for it already.

Basic cable was never "commercial free" only your channels like HBO etc.

When Sportsvision first started in 1982 there were no commercials but you had to pay something like $15-20 a month to get both sportsvision and ON-TV.