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rdivaldi
02-22-2005, 04:39 PM
Good to see McCarthy and Anderson getting some props....

Linky (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=3773)

SoxxoS
02-22-2005, 04:43 PM
Good to see McCarthy and Anderson getting some props....

Linky (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=3773)

I think Honorable mention is way too low for Huston Street on that list.

Ol' No. 2
02-22-2005, 04:53 PM
Good to see McCarthy and Anderson getting some props....

Linky (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=3773)Jered Weaver, RHP, Team BorasStill no signy?

rdivaldi
02-22-2005, 04:55 PM
Still no signy?

Nope, still looking for Prior-type money last I heard.

Personally I thought that was hysterical when I read it.

Ol' No. 2
02-22-2005, 04:56 PM
Nope, still looking for Prior-type money last I heard.

Personally I thought that was hysterical when I read it.Me, too. "Team Boras" :rolling:

rdivaldi
02-22-2005, 04:58 PM
I think Honorable mention is way too low for Huston Street on that list.

I understand that he has electric stuff and pitched very well last year. But I still think relievers should be kept towards the bottom of the list.

rdivaldi
02-22-2005, 04:59 PM
Me, too. "Team Boras" :rolling:

Man, how I love to hate that guy.

rdivaldi
02-22-2005, 05:01 PM
Did you guys also notice that there were ZERO Flubbie prospects in the top 50? Methinks there are people with pitchforks and torches headed over to BP headquarters as we speak. (Notice no teal)

Ol' No. 2
02-22-2005, 05:10 PM
Did you guys also notice that there were ZERO Flubbie prospects in the top 50? Methinks there are people with pitchforks and torches headed over to BP headquarters as we speak. (Notice no teal)Yeah, I noticed that, too. Angel Guzman is their highest-rated prospect. I also noticed the Yankees have a pretty high prospect in Eric Duncan, 3B. I guess we won't be seeing him in pinstripes any time soon. Can you say "trade bait"?

rdivaldi
02-22-2005, 05:32 PM
Yeah, I noticed that, too. Angel Guzman is their highest-rated prospect. I also noticed the Yankees have a pretty high prospect in Eric Duncan, 3B. I guess we won't be seeing him in pinstripes any time soon. Can you say "trade bait"?

Why in the world is Eric Duncan rated that highly? Shouldn't you actually have to play well, and play above A-ball to be rated that high? I don't get it? East Coast bias coming through or what?

maurice
02-22-2005, 06:23 PM
Did you guys also notice that there were ZERO Flubbie prospects in the top 50?

Blasphemers! Everybody knows that Hendry is the best GM in baseball, while KW traded every good Sox prospect for Robbie Alomar!


For what it's worth, John Sickels opines that the cubs have zero "A" grade prospects. He ranks Guzman fourth in their system with a "B-" grade.

California Sox
02-22-2005, 07:51 PM
Blasphemers! Everybody knows that Hendry is the best GM in baseball, while KW traded every good Sox prospect for Robbie Alomar!

But Jeremy Reed is 10th.

NonetheLoaiza
02-22-2005, 11:11 PM
The whole Jared Weaver situation makes me sick. What are the chances of him becoming a solid major-league player anyways? It's no different than gambling...

ChiSoxRowand
02-23-2005, 12:57 AM
Did Stephen Drew end up signing with the D-Backs? And I thought Eric Duncan got traded?

Jabroni
02-23-2005, 02:15 AM
Did Stephen Drew end up signing with the D-Backs? And I thought Eric Duncan got traded?No, Drew hasn't signed yet. He's a Borass client and he's holding out for a Prior-sized contract. Eric Duncan was not a part of the Randy Johnson trade and he's still a member of the Yankees farm system.

FedEx227
02-23-2005, 09:48 AM
Eric Duncan was not a part of the Randy Johnson trade and he's still a member of the Yankees farm system.

But we know that won't last long...Glenallen Hill is somewhere to be found.


Good to see no Cubs on the list, 'cause frankly they don't have any good prospects. Felix Pie was suppose to be their outfielder of the future has fallen off big time, and Angel Guzman their pitcher of the future is having arm troubles.... :) But then again who needs prospects when you're that good of a team anyway, I mean they have Todd Hollandsworth

Fungo
02-23-2005, 10:21 AM
Man, how I love to hate that guy.

Let me run this by you guys. The Sox will not have a second round pick because of the El Duque signing and no supplemental first round pick either. If Drew and/or Weaver fail to sign with their respective teams and re-enter the draft next year, why not take one of these two guys in the first round if they fall to us at 15? Use the money you would otherwise spend on that second rounder and take the best player available. I'm not a big fan of Boras either, but Weaver will be good and is probably not far from being a major league pitcher right now (well, except for the fact that he needs to be signed by a major league team). Or a solid SS in Drew would be nice as well.

rdivaldi
02-23-2005, 11:00 AM
Let me run this by you guys. The Sox will not have a second round pick because of the El Duque signing and no supplemental first round pick either. If Drew and/or Weaver fail to sign with their respective teams and re-enter the draft next year, why not take one of these two guys in the first round if they fall to us at 15? Use the money you would otherwise spend on that second rounder and take the best player available. I'm not a big fan of Boras either, but Weaver will be good and is probably not far from being a major league pitcher right now (well, except for the fact that he needs to be signed by a major league team). Or a solid SS in Drew would be nice as well.

It will depend on how much $$$ we're willing to give them. We might be a little gun shy of paying draftees big money after what happened with Borchard. When was the last time we drafted a Borass client anyway?

Flight #24
02-23-2005, 11:10 AM
Anyone notice that the Twinks and their dominant system have the 43 & 46th guys on the list? I know Morneau probably doesn't qualify, but all those talking about how they're going to bring up 2-4 more studs and replace the guys they lost may be disappointed.

And yes, I know Cuddyer doesn't make the cut because he's been up, but I haven't exactly been impressed with his performance albiet in limited duty.

rdivaldi
02-23-2005, 11:18 AM
Anyone notice that the Twinks and their dominant system have the 43 & 46th guys on the list? I know Morneau probably doesn't qualify, but all those talking about how they're going to bring up 2-4 more studs and replace the guys they lost may be disappointed.

And yes, I know Cuddyer doesn't make the cut because he's been up, but I haven't exactly been impressed with his performance albiet in limited duty.

Don't get your hopes up, their farm system is still excellent. Like you said a lot of these guys had too many at bats/innings to qualify for the list. But really though, with Mauer, Crain, Durbin, Morneau, and Kubel all under the age of 24 is there really any doubt that they're going to be good for a long time?

:(:

Fungo
02-23-2005, 11:31 AM
It will depend on how much $$$ we're willing to give them. We might be a little gun shy of paying draftees big money after what happened with Borchard. When was the last time we drafted a Borass client anyway?Bobby Seay? And what do you know, he didn't sign. I still feel they need to go for broke with that first pick since they don't have a second rounder. Who knows, by the time the draft comes around, there may be guys that pass up Weaver and Drew as the best available.

rdivaldi
02-23-2005, 11:45 AM
Bobby Seay? And what do you know, he didn't sign. I still feel they need to go for broke with that first pick since they don't have a second rounder. Who knows, by the time the draft comes around, there may be guys that pass up Weaver and Drew as the best available.

You're forgetting about Bobby Hill, another Borass client who wouldn't sign with us 2 years after Seay.. But I see your point and it might be an intriguing option.

Randar68
02-23-2005, 12:22 PM
Bobby Seay? And what do you know, he didn't sign. I still feel they need to go for broke with that first pick since they don't have a second rounder. Who knows, by the time the draft comes around, there may be guys that pass up Weaver and Drew as the best available.

Actually, I also believe we lost our 3rd rounder as well. The 2nd rounder went to the Yanks and the 3rd rounder went to the A's?

Pierzynski and Hermanson were Type A, don't recall on El Duque or Dye...

IIRC I read that we will lose both 2nd and 3rd rounders due to this.

Randar68
02-23-2005, 12:23 PM
You're forgetting about Bobby Hill, another Borass client who wouldn't sign with us 2 years after Seay.. But I see your point and it might be an intriguing option.

Jeff Weaver as well.

rdivaldi
02-23-2005, 12:24 PM
Jeff Weaver as well.

And people wonder why the Sox don't like dealing with him....

rdivaldi
02-23-2005, 12:25 PM
Actually, I also believe we lost our 3rd rounder as well. The 2nd rounder went to the Yanks and the 3rd rounder went to the A's?

Pierzynski and Hermanson were Type A, don't recall on El Duque or Dye...

IIRC I read that we will lose both 2nd and 3rd rounders due to this.

I don't think so Randar. None of those guys were offered arbitration if I remember correctly. The second rounder is the only thing we're going to lose.

rdivaldi
02-23-2005, 02:01 PM
Did some research, the White Sox only lost their 2nd round pick for signing El Duque away from the Evil Empire.

maurice
02-23-2005, 02:34 PM
Reed's placement on the list further demonstrates the organization's ability to draft young talent. The presence of two other KW guys on the list shows that we still have plenty of young talent left in the system.

BTW, Reed was traded for Garcia, not Alomar. For some reason, everybody seems to forget that Garcia is one of the most valuable players on the Sox.

Jerome
02-23-2005, 06:10 PM
Reed's placement on the list further demonstrates the organization's ability to draft young talent. The presence of two other KW guys on the list shows that we still have plenty of young talent left in the system.

BTW, Reed was traded for Garcia, not Alomar. For some reason, everybody seems to forget that Garcia is one of the most valuable players on the Sox.

Yes he is. As much as I would have LOVED to have Jeremy Reed on the team to step in for Maggs, Freddy is a great guy to have on a pitching staff. Olivo seems to me to kind of fallen out of the spotlight and I don't really know anything about Morse.

Yes, Reed will be missed tremendously. There is little doubt he will go on to be a very good player. But I'm pretty happy with Freddy.

California Sox
02-23-2005, 07:08 PM
Bobby Seay? And what do you know, he didn't sign. I still feel they need to go for broke with that first pick since they don't have a second rounder. Who knows, by the time the draft comes around, there may be guys that pass up Weaver and Drew as the best available.

There are other things we can do with the money we save from not having a second rounder. For instance, we can take a flyer on a signability player in a later round as the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim did last year with Adenhart and Trumbo or we could make a splash in the international arena and go after the type of player that usually only signs with the Yankees or Braves. I think the last thing we should do is chase after Boras to give him our money.

CWSGuy406
02-23-2005, 11:16 PM
Let me run this by you guys. The Sox will not have a second round pick because of the El Duque signing and no supplemental first round pick either. If Drew and/or Weaver fail to sign with their respective teams and re-enter the draft next year, why not take one of these two guys in the first round if they fall to us at 15? Use the money you would otherwise spend on that second rounder and take the best player available. I'm not a big fan of Boras either, but Weaver will be good and is probably not far from being a major league pitcher right now (well, except for the fact that he needs to be signed by a major league team). Or a solid SS in Drew would be nice as well.

Fungo, I agree 100%.

No second round pick, no supplemental "sandwich" pick, you gotta take a real good talent with pick #15. Like you said -- Drew would give us a real five star prospect in a place we need it in the MIF, and Weaver would really give us some depth in the organization as far as pitching. And, maybe Randar can correct me if I'm off with this statement, but wasn't Weaver supposed to be the most ML ready pitcher in last year's draft?

It'd be a real joy to have him and B-Mac come up at the same time in 2006...

Randar68
02-24-2005, 12:29 AM
Fungo, I agree 100%.

No second round pick, no supplemental "sandwich" pick, you gotta take a real good talent with pick #15. Like you said -- Drew would give us a real five star prospect in a place we need it in the MIF, and Weaver would really give us some depth in the organization as far as pitching. And, maybe Randar can correct me if I'm off with this statement, but wasn't Weaver supposed to be the most ML ready pitcher in last year's draft?

It'd be a real joy to have him and B-Mac come up at the same time in 2006...

Yes, he was the most MLB ready, the most MLB-ready starter siinice priior at least...

IMO, it is stupid for him to return. He has nothing left to learn staying and only risks injury.

I'm not against those guys or drafting a Boras client, but do the Sox have stomach for it? Those guys are both the closest thing to a sure thing you usually find. They may not ever be #1 starters or super-stars, but within a year or so of beinig drafted, they'll be ready to contribute to the MLB club...

Best part is they'll both be seniors IIRC, meaning they have less leverage.