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OG4LIFE
02-21-2005, 05:24 PM
picture link (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5889/photos)

wow. i am actually surprised he is up and around, taking bp and shagging balls... and it doesnt look like he even has a brace or any other protective wrap on his knee...

could it be? borass was telling the truth when he said maggs would be ready for ST?

JUribe1989
02-21-2005, 05:27 PM
Let's wait until the season starts, then we will say if he can play the field injury-free or not.

Jabroni
02-21-2005, 05:28 PM
Even if he's healthy he's still not worth the boatload of money that Detroit threw at him, especially in that ballpark.

samram
02-21-2005, 05:28 PM
I don't think anyone expected him to be in a wheelchair, but shagging flies and taking BP is different than running and cutting bases, sliding, going all out for line drives, or planting to make throws. I'll believe he's healthy when I see him do that stuff.

MIgrenade
02-21-2005, 05:28 PM
Clearly he is ready for ST, the real question is how long he goes until he gets injured, or if he gets injured?

mcfish
02-21-2005, 05:31 PM
Even if he's healthy he's still not worth the boatload of money that Detroit threw at him, especially in that ballpark.Just imagine what the price would have been had he not been injured. I'm glad we didn't get saddled into a situation like the Astros and Beltran - going the last day and pretty much left with no other free agent options.

OG4LIFE
02-21-2005, 05:39 PM
Just imagine what the price would have been had he not been injured. I'm glad we didn't get saddled into a situation like the Astros and Beltran - going the last day and pretty much left with no other free agent options.

i dont think we would have stuck around like that. see: bartolo colon situation. KW offered a big contract, one that was fair and the largest contract offered to a sox pitcher, and after colon balked at it, we didnt get into a bidding war. i think for the most part, when it comes to big time free agents, KW puts his best offer forward early, so it is resolved early in the offseason, so he has a clear picture of what he has to work with in the remainder of the offseason.

PaleHoseGeorge
02-21-2005, 05:43 PM
Not to disparage the credibility of the AP photographer's pictures, but isn't that Osama Bin Laden and a cave from Tora Bora just behind Magglio's shoulder?

:gulp:

CubKilla
02-21-2005, 05:57 PM
Why do I get the feeling when reading anything Maggs related on Sox Boards lately that some Sox fans sound like they almost hope Maggs is or will be hindered by last seasons knee injury?

Rocklive99
02-21-2005, 05:59 PM
Who goes down first, Maggs or Griffey?

Jabroni
02-21-2005, 06:02 PM
Who goes down first, Maggs or Griffey?What are their Abuse points?

SOX ADDICT '73
02-21-2005, 06:03 PM
Even if he's healthy he's still not worth the boatload of money that Detroit threw at him, especially in that ballpark.
The way I'm choosing to look at it is that Magg$, injured or not, was just another greedy ballplayer who (like Colon) took a bigger offer to go elsewhere. It helps that, instead of the decent guy we all thought him to be, he turned out to be a real d**k in the end, needlessly slamming the Sox in the press even after he'd signed his ridiculous deal. If he ends up injured after all, well that's just icing on the cake. Not because I wish any ill will on him, but because a healthy Magg$ can help a team that already manages to kick our butts an awful lot.

I'm also torn between hoping he gets hurt this year or next, since IIRC the latter guarantees at least five years of his contract, crippling the Tigers' ability to improve their team for years to come.

PaleHoseGeorge
02-21-2005, 06:05 PM
Why do I get the feeling when reading anything Maggs related on Sox Boards lately that some Sox fans sound like they almost hope Maggs is or will be hindered by last seasons knee injury?

I don't ever hope any ballplayer gets hurt. That's small and beneath any sports fan, most of all Sox Fans.

Of course Magglio is in our division. So I hope he plays just enough (the full season minus 24 days) to get the full-term clause of his boxcar salary to kick in. That's $75 million less inside Detroit's war chest to ever beat the Sox. Maggs and Boras will be cashing checks for a long, long time... and Detroit's pitching staff will still suck.

I love it.
:cool:

nccwsfan
02-21-2005, 07:22 PM
Wait until July and let's see how many games he's playing in the OF.


Maggs= DH

pudge
02-21-2005, 07:43 PM
You really think a team would throw that kind of money at player if they didnt think he could play? The tigers may not be the model franchise, but they arent run by morons. Maggs will have a solid season and the sox will regret the decision they made. Hopefully jermaine dye makes it a little less painful

Minny, I find myself disagreeing with you often lately... Look at all the teams that DID pass up on Maggs. The reason the Tigers were suckers was because they failed to attract anyone else. Even reporters from the Det. area have said it seemed like a desperation move more than anything. And the big thing is the clause in the contract. They have no idea how healthy he is, which is why they put that clause in there.

EDIT: As a side note, does Maggs look a little chunky to anyone??

RKMeibalane
02-21-2005, 08:02 PM
Grant Hill appeared fine, too, and he missed most of the past four seasons. I'll believe that Maggs is fine when he makes it through an entire season without any problems. Good grief! I'm so utterly sick of Magglio Ordonez. The man is a worthless slug.

RKMeibalane
02-21-2005, 08:04 PM
You really think a team would throw that kind of money at player if they didnt think he could play? The tigers may not be the model franchise, but they arent run by morons. Maggs will have a solid season and the sox will regret the decision they made. Hopefully jermaine dye makes it a little less painful

Nope. Sorry. Come back when you have something intelligent to add to this discussion.

PaleHoseGeorge
02-21-2005, 08:11 PM
You really think a team would throw that kind of money at player if they didnt think he could play? The tigers may not be the model franchise, but they arent run by morons. Maggs will have a solid season and the sox will regret the decision they made. Hopefully jermaine dye makes it a little less painful

:violin:

More cheese with your whine, Minny?

DickAllen72
02-21-2005, 08:20 PM
EDIT: As a side note, does Maggs look a little chunky to anyone??

He does look a little fat and out of shape at that. I thought he supposedly lost 15lbs.

Didn't Tony Mandrich once lose a lot of muscle weight but put on fat for some strange reason? :?:

PaleHoseGeorge
02-21-2005, 08:24 PM
He does look a little fat and out of shape at that. I thought he supposedly lost 15lbs.

Ordonez is fine. The extra "weight" isn't really there. The picture was distorted a bit after Boras paid off the AP to retouch Magglio's leg where the bone was protruding.
:wink:

Ol Aches & Pains
02-21-2005, 08:26 PM
I don't ever hope any ballplayer gets hurt. That's small and beneath any sports fan, most of all Sox Fans.

Of course Magglio is in our division. So I hope he plays just enough (the full season minus 24 days) to get the full-term clause of his boxcar salary to kick in. That's $75 million less inside Detroit's war chest to ever beat the Sox. Maggs and Boras will be cashing checks for a long, long time... and Detroit's pitching staff will still suck.

I love it.
:cool:

I agree, I certainly don't wish injury or any other misfortune on Magglio (I refuse to call him "Maggs"). But I hate to see him in the same division. I have a bad feeling he's going to come back to haunt us.

RKMeibalane
02-21-2005, 08:27 PM
Ordonez is fine. The extra "weight" isn't really there. The picture was distorted a bit after Boras paid off the AP to retouch Magglio's leg where the bone was protruding.
:wink:

Actually, I think the entire leg is fake. The latest reports out of Tigers camp state that Ordonez is working out on one leg until his prosthetic is ready. It would have been ready sooner, but some angry Cubs fans stole it in order to get back at Maggs for leaving them at the altar.

Lip Man 1
02-21-2005, 08:30 PM
The Sporting News print magazine had some interesting comments in the Inside Dish section on page 77.

"The Tigers believe they have solid inside information on the condition of OF Magglio Ordonez's surgically repaired left knee. Team physician Kyle Anderson, a knee specialist who also works with the NFL's Detroit Lions, advised club officials that the majority of the risk would be this season, giving the Tigers confidence that they needed an out only after the first year of Ordonez's five year $75 million contract. G.M. Dave Dombrowski also received positive reports from Ordonez's Miami based physical therapist, Lisa Kearns, with whom he worked previously as G.M. of the Marlins."

They also say this..."Ordonez has hit only one home run in 135 career at bats at Detroit's Comerica Park, but his nine doubles indicate that a 50 double season is within reach, provided he stays healthy. Ordonez boasts an impressive .941 career on base/slugging percentage with runners in scoring position and hits almost as well against right handers as left handers. Then again, the Tigers could end up paying him $11 million more then the mariners will pay 3B Adrian Beltre over the same five year period. Beltre, 25, is six years younger and a better defender at a more difficult position to fill."

Lip

Mickster
02-21-2005, 08:50 PM
I don't ever hope any ballplayer gets hurt. That's small and beneath any sports fan, most of all Sox Fans.

Of course Magglio is in our division. So I hope he plays just enough (the full season minus 24 days) to get the full-term clause of his boxcar salary to kick in. That's $75 million less inside Detroit's war chest to ever beat the Sox. Maggs and Boras will be cashing checks for a long, long time... and Detroit's pitching staff will still suck.

I love it.
:cool:

:worship:

Unregistered
02-21-2005, 09:32 PM
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=2476
"I can't wait to play for the... uh... Detroit... wait, I know this... Tigers?"

Steelrod
02-22-2005, 04:13 AM
My personal opinion is that Mags will hit for average, and his power numbers will be down. If what were hear about his injury is true, it should affect his speed and ability to move from side to side, not hitting the ball. Look for his extra bases to level off or even fall in spacious Detroit, and spend a lot of time running to the corners for the ball!

I have nothing against him, other that observing that he is a GREEDY PIG!

maurice
02-22-2005, 02:12 PM
Remember, he played for the Sox after the injury also, so nobody should be surprised that he can stand in RF, jog around, and swing a bat. There's no question that he will make every effort to engage in the physical motions of hitting and fielding this season. Given the extreme financial incentive, he'll probably continue to do these things until and unless his leg literally snaps. The question is whether he'll be able to hit or field well.

Jabroni
02-24-2005, 06:24 PM
You can add me to the list of whiners - the franchise's best player is gone? Yes, if ever there was a time to whine, it is now. I predict he'll finally win the MVP he's been creeping up on the last few years. Jerry and Kenny jobbed him - lie to yourself about medical reports and all that if it feels better.Okay, so Magg$ is going to win an MVP now? Even though he's going from the best hitter's park in all of baseball to one of the worst? What are you smokin'? :smokin: :kukoo: Keep in mind that I'm assuming that he's healthy and will stay healthy for the entire season. :rolleyes:

samram
02-24-2005, 06:29 PM
You can add me to the list of whiners - the franchise's best player is gone? Yes, if ever there was a time to whine, it is now. I predict he'll finally win the MVP he's been creeping up on the last few years. Jerry and Kenny jobbed him - lie to yourself about medical reports and all that if it feels better.

When exactly was he creeping up on an MVP the last few years? He wasn't close in 2003, and was injured in 2004.

I won't ask about how JR and KW "jobbed him" since the whiners stance is they jobbed him because Maggs and the whiners say so.

NSSoxFan
02-24-2005, 07:30 PM
You can add me to the list of whiners - the franchise's best player is gone? Yes, if ever there was a time to whine, it is now. I predict he'll finally win the MVP he's been creeping up on the last few years. Jerry and Kenny jobbed him - lie to yourself about medical reports and all that if it feels better.

Buddy, buddy, buddy...

Your opinion is your opinion. God forbid anyone disagree with you.

PaleHoseGeorge
02-24-2005, 07:39 PM
You can add me to the list of whiners - the franchise's best player is gone? Yes, if ever there was a time to whine, it is now. I predict he'll finally win the MVP he's been creeping up on the last few years. Jerry and Kenny jobbed him - lie to yourself about medical reports and all that if it feels better.

Fair enough. Here's your duet with DepressoidinMinny.

:violin: :violin:

And if you want to find a scapegoat for all the bull**** between KW and Maggs up to the winter meetings, look no further than this doofus.

:weewillie
"I got it... I got it..."

As for everything since last December, that's 100 percent on that piece of **** in Detroit. He's the only one (besides you and DepressoidinMinny) who can't stop running his mouth about it.

Maggs is gone. Go get yourself a tissue.

MUsoxfan
02-24-2005, 07:44 PM
I predict he'll finally win the MVP he's been creeping up on the last few years. Jerry and Kenny jobbed him - lie to yourself about medical reports and all that if it feels better.

http://www.chez.com/philmath/page-cinema/images/a_now_dhopper.jpg

"Well that's like...your opinion..man."

I don't think he was ever MVP caliber for the Sox, and he certainly won't be on that bottom-feeder Detroit team. Even if he plays to his potential, he can't carry an entire team

minastirith67
02-24-2005, 07:48 PM
:o:

Fight! Fight!

MUsoxfan
02-24-2005, 07:50 PM
I stand corrected. With Pudge hitting behind him there's no way he's ever going to see good pitches..:?:

I'm not sold on a very "slimmed down" Pudge this year.

PaleHoseGeorge
02-24-2005, 07:53 PM
That's right, always blamin' the brother.

I wasn't aware Harold Washington turned Magglio's knee into hamburger.

You and DepressoidinMinny live in a delusional world. 28 teams besides the White Sox passed on that piece of ****, but go ahead and play like a Sox Fan and blame your own team.

He's gone. Tough luck, pal.

Hangar18
02-24-2005, 08:10 PM
I stand corrected. With Pudge hitting behind him there's no way he's ever going to see good pitches..:?:

Man, I forgot about that. Ordonez followed by Rodriguez ......
thats a tough 2 to get thru .........

patbooyah
02-24-2005, 08:14 PM
I stand corrected. With Pudge hitting behind him there's no way he's ever going to see good pitches..:?:

only if pudge manages to find another undetectable kind of steroids.

PaleHoseGeorge
02-24-2005, 08:37 PM
only if pudge manages to find another undetectable kind of steroids.

Jim won't be responding.
:cool:

You've got to be hard to be a Sox Fan. No limp appendages whining about ex-ballplayers with hamburger for a knee.

Isn't that right, Hangar?

no.72
02-25-2005, 05:54 AM
hey, i love magglio to death, and i hate that he's gone. (happier with 2005 team though)

but c'mon, he HAD to put on a show for first day. and even if that knee feels fine, i dont trust it.
I've had knee problems since my late teens from years of skateboarding and snowboarding injuries... they still act up if walk down the spiral stair case at my parents house. until robotic knee replacements come out that thing just aint completely fixable. and i dont trust anyone who undergoes knee surgery.

if he goes all out and becomes the ball player he was meant to be, best of luck to him. and i'm happy for him.
but i hold faith with what the sox and pretty much all of MLB thought of that knee... if that thing's healthy for life then that's the biggest gag pulled since war of the worlds.

his best hope is to never get injured and become a carlos beltran type trade-bait. ... yeah talk about aspirations, that's what every kid in little league dreams of!
:rolleyes: