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DrCrawdad
02-17-2005, 08:27 PM
It looks like more than 15 pounds to me, Jason...I mean Joe.
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2005-02/16337982.jpg
The messiah, Borowski and Carrie.

Dempster and a leaner Joe Borowski are two of the three relievers vying for the closer's role, along with LaTroy Hawkins.

Borowski said he lost about 15 pounds this off-season while rehabbing from his shoulder problem and arthroscopic knee surgery. The Borowski Diet apparently is even more revolutionary than the South Beach Diet.

"I think I found out the key," Borowski said. "The more meals I eat, the more weight I lose. My metabolism must be like a snail, so I need to eat more to pick it up a notch."

Guillen may have to find a new nickname for pitcher Jon Adkins, whom he affectionately called "fat boy" last season.

A sleeker Adkins showed up Wednesday, 15 pounds lighter than at the end of last season.

MRKARNO
02-17-2005, 08:30 PM
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/cws/news/cws_news.jsp?ymd=20050217&content_id=945324&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp

Guillen continued to be impressed with the offseason work put in by Everett, who is more than 20 pounds lighter and in much better overall condition than he was at the end of 2004. Guillen said that Everett knew what was on the line if he didn't show up in better shape, after a season filled with injuries.

"He was going to be my next bench coach next to Harold (Baines)," said Guillen with a laugh. "But I'm pleased and appreciate how hard he worked in the offseason. He knows how important this season is for us and for him too."


I don't think anyone suspects steroids of Crazy Carl though. He was plain old overweight.

The Racehorse
02-17-2005, 08:56 PM
I don't think anyone suspects steroids of Crazy Carl though. He was plain old overweight.

Maybe, maybe not. Who knows who juiced in the past or is juicing now. :dunno:

A player doesn't have to be freaky-ripped-big to be on steroids.

DrCrawdad
02-19-2005, 10:37 PM
So let's see, baseball institutes a steroid policy with some teeth and players are reporting with major weight losses. I'm sure it's just a coincidence. :rolleyes:

I'd guess that everyone is using Cortislim.

http://www.freep.com/art/2005/feb/19/pudge_inset.jpg

TIGERS SPRING TRAINING: Pudge lite

Having shed 22 pounds, catcher shrugs off steroid talk

February 19, 2005

BY JOHN LOWE
FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER

LAKELAND, Fla. -- On his first day of spring training Friday, Ivan Rodriguez's mood was light.

His assigned workload was light.

And his weight was stunningly light.

Rodriguez arrived noticeably more slender than last season. He said he weighs 193. That's 22 pounds lighter than the 215 he said he played at last season. Compared to previous Detroit catchers, he looks more like Brad Ausmus than Lance Parrish. Rodriguez said he lost the weight to help his defensive mobility and to lengthen his career.

Rodriguez appeared light in one more way. He seemed completely at ease, carrying no burden from Jose Canseco's published accusations that Rodriguez used steroids while with the Texas Rangers.

"I have nothing to say about that," Rodriguez said when asked about Canseco's allegations. "They are some very serious comments he said. This is not true. I just say what I feel. I don't need to use any other stuff. I don't need it...

Cubbiesuck13
02-19-2005, 11:01 PM
So let's see, baseball institutes a steroid policy with some teeth and players are reporting with major weight losses. I'm sure it's just a coincidence. :rolleyes:

I'd guess that everyone is using Cortislim.

Just imagine if the policy actually had teeth. I think it's more of a PR thing. If anyone gets caught they will be rediculed in the media. Do you think 10 games is enough? Maybe if the schedule was 16 games but not when it's 162. It's much more shamefull than a corked bat and only ShaME can get away scott free in the media over that one. Plus with the way they are testing, you would have to be an idiot to get caught. There is a list of things that are tested. The list is supplied to everyone being tested so they know what is illegal but ok to use. Baseball is ducking this once again. The players are worried about getting a black eye, especially the ones with a legacy on the line. I'm sorry but Borowski is not one of those. Neither is Everett. Players that are not reporting at all due to a late medical operation like Bonds are the ones that have to protect themselves. Players like I-Rod are ones that have reputations on the line. And sadly, Prior and Wood (even though Wood for certain should be considered an overhpyed, too old for potential to be used burn out) have to watch their backs.

Dadawg_77
02-20-2005, 01:10 AM
One thing, does anyone have what it was like in past years so we can compare? The media is focused on this so you will see more stories this year, that doesn't mean it is happening more.

DaleJRFan
02-20-2005, 04:17 AM
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2005-02/16337982.jpg


I think Mark Prior's ears are on roids. They're freakin' huge! Dumbo!

Jabroni
02-20-2005, 04:39 AM
I think Mark Prior's ears are on roids. They're freakin' huge! Dumbo!Prior has Gollum ears. :tongue:

Fredsox
02-20-2005, 06:37 AM
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/cws/news/cws_news.jsp?ymd=20050217&content_id=945324&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp




I don't think anyone suspects steroids of Crazy Carl though. He was plain old overweight.

Yeah, and it's not like he was putting up "roid-boy" numbers. He was putting up "fat-ass" numbers.

Brian26
02-20-2005, 11:22 AM
Maybe, maybe not. Who knows who juiced in the past or is juicing now. :dunno:

A player doesn't have to be freaky-ripped-big to be on steroids.

I agree.

It's entirely possible that guys who have slimmed down have simply cleaned up their diets and laid off the Quarterpounders at McD's over the winter, too.

Just because a guy comes in thin, it doesn't mean he was juicing.

Brian26
02-20-2005, 11:23 AM
It looks like more than 15 pounds to me, Jason...I mean Joe.

Wow, Borowski actually does look like Giambi there too!

DrCrawdad
02-20-2005, 02:43 PM
One thing, does anyone have what it was like in past years so we can compare? The media is focused on this so you will see more stories this year, that doesn't mean it is happening more.

Yes, players no doubt did report to camp lighter in previous years. Of course weight loss now is going to get more coverage, but as fans we're more in tune to it too. In years past if a player reported in lighter no doubt it was because they were a lard-(butt) before. That's what I suspect about Crazy Carl.

It is a story though when I-Rod reports in 22 lbs lighter since he was specifically mentioned by Canseco as a steroid user. Plus I'm not buying I-Rod's line about how he needed to lose weight. Yeah, right.

The reason I started this discussion thread was in the hopes that it would be a central place to report who's coming in lighter. Clearly weight loss does not definitively prove that a guy used 'roids in the past. Just when you hear about guys losing weight, post them here. Use your judgement as to whether you believe they used 'roids.

http://www.library.vcu.edu/help/tilt/module3/images/referee.GIF

Ol' No. 2
02-20-2005, 03:04 PM
I agree.

It's entirely possible that guys who have slimmed down have simply cleaned up their diets and laid off the Quarterpounders at McD's over the winter, too.

Just because a guy comes in thin, it doesn't mean he was juicing.You don't lose muscle laying off the Quarterpounders. It's not too hard to tell the difference.

Brian26
02-20-2005, 04:35 PM
You don't lose muscle laying off the Quarterpounders. It's not too hard to tell the difference.

I'm talking about a guy like Carl Everett. Or, in this case, Borowski.

SOXintheBURGH
02-20-2005, 05:34 PM
Prior has Gollum ears. :tongue:

Just made me spit beer onto my monitor. Thanks a lot.

Jerome
02-20-2005, 07:50 PM
We need a steroid tag for players like Pudge, Giambi, etc.



:bcolon

"How come no one ever accused me of steroids?"


:LTP
"I should take steroids to help make my insane hype and signing bonus worth it"

:canseco

Now this is a steroid tag!

Cubbiesuck13
02-20-2005, 08:23 PM
I haven't been able to find players weight for past years on any sites. Anyone have any suggestions? Baseball cards?

WhiteSoxFan84
02-21-2005, 03:41 AM
I think Mark Prior's ears are on roids. They're freakin' huge! Dumbo!

lool, I don't know about his ears, but I'm sure we've all noticed his calves. don't forget about jack mcdowell pointing out that the injury prior had last season may have been caused by steroid use. black jack isn't a doctor, he did stay at a holiday inn express however, and the size of those calves just makes you wonder if the USC (not too far from the Bay Area LCO) grad maybe a suspect.

http://www.dustybaker.com/images/dusty%20cub%20headshot.jpg (http://www.dustybaker.com/images/dusty%20portrait.bmp)
"Come on dude.... hey man... you can't go around accusing everyone of using that stuff. My guys don't do anything wrong. We're the Cubs mmaan. Come on dude, how dare you? You don't see me looking at your wife and asking you if her breasts are real do you? No man, it's called respect. And it's called proof. Until you have it, don't come at me with that stuff dude. Now where the hell is my toothpick..."

nccwsfan
02-21-2005, 07:33 AM
This might be an old topic, but I wasn't around to read opinions on this: Didn't Jack McDowell accuse Mark Prior of being on steroids in 2003, and what were/are your thoughts on this? Is it crazy talk or is there actually something to it?

DrCrawdad
02-21-2005, 07:53 AM
Accusing or even implying that Mark the messiah Prior uses steroids will bring down the wrath of Cubbie fans on you. That wrath will be about the same as when in the past Sox fans brought up Sosa's alleged steroids usage in front of Cubbie fans.

Remember when Cubbie fans used to adamantly defend Sosa against accusations that Sammy used steroids. Ah, those were the days.

DrCrawdad
02-21-2005, 11:33 AM
http://www.detnews.com/pix/2005/02/19/sports/1.jpghttp://www.detnews.com/pix/2005/02/19/sports/pudge2.jpg
Ivan Rodriguez 2005 ....................... "Pudge" Rodriguez 2004

Randar68
02-21-2005, 11:47 AM
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/cws/news/cws_news.jsp?ymd=20050217&content_id=945324&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp




I don't think anyone suspects steroids of Crazy Carl though. He was plain old overweight.

Yep. If there is ever a time to have Carl, it's in one of his contract years. He always has huge seasons in contract years.

MIgrenade
02-21-2005, 11:57 AM
That picture of IRod is incredible, I can't wait to see how he does this season.

Foulke You
02-22-2005, 11:49 AM
This might be an old topic, but I wasn't around to read opinions on this: Didn't Jack McDowell accuse Mark Prior of being on steroids in 2003, and what were/are your thoughts on this? Is it crazy talk or is there actually something to it?

You will never find someone who hates Mark Prior more than I do, and while he may be an arrogant jerk, I would say that it is highly unlikely that he is on the roids. Aside from the large calf muscles that got Mariotti to swoon and sway, he is a real lanky guy with good pitching mechanics. If he is juicing, he must be buying the Walgreen's brand because it isn't working. This is almost as silly as the "Billy Koch was on roids" speculation after he lost his fastball.:?:

Foulke You
02-22-2005, 11:50 AM
http://www.dustybaker.com/images/dusty%20cub%20headshot.jpg (http://www.dustybaker.com/images/dusty%20portrait.bmp)
"Come on dude.... hey man... you can't go around accusing everyone of using that stuff. My guys don't do anything wrong. We're the Cubs mmaan. Come on dude, how dare you? You don't see me looking at your wife and asking you if her breasts are real do you? No man, it's called respect. And it's called proof. Until you have it, don't come at me with that stuff dude. Now where the hell is my toothpick..."

:)

DrCrawdad
02-22-2005, 11:55 AM
:)

http://www.dustybaker.com/images/dusty%20cub%20headshot.jpg
"I'm a thinking dude."

Believe it or not, Dusty actually said that.

The_Cheesiest_Idiot
02-23-2005, 12:52 PM
http://www.detnews.com/pix/2005/02/19/sports/1.jpghttp://www.detnews.com/pix/2005/02/19/sports/pudge2.jpg
Ivan Rodriguez 2005 ....................... "Pudge" Rodriguez 2004

smaller AND his acne cleared up. i'm sure it's just coincidence.

spawn
02-23-2005, 01:33 PM
http://www.detnews.com/pix/2005/02/19/sports/1.jpghttp://www.detnews.com/pix/2005/02/19/sports/pudge2.jpg
Ivan Rodriguez 2005 ....................... "Pudge" Rodriguez 2004

Wow...what a difference! It should be interesting to see how well he does this year. He doesn't look sickly, like Giambi did last year when he reported.

SoxxoS
02-23-2005, 01:35 PM
http://www.dustybaker.com/images/dusty%20cub%20headshot.jpg
"I'm a thinking dude."

Believe it or not, Dusty actually said that.

Although I am embarrassed to say it, I enjoy watching American Idol this season..which brings me to my next point...Dusty Baker = judge Randy Jackson.

Dude.

SoxxoS
02-23-2005, 01:35 PM
Wow...what a difference! It should be interesting to see how well he does this year. He doesn't look sickly, like Giambi did last year when he reported.

Please realize he has a really nice tan going in the 2004 picture, and that defines muscle...it isn't that big of difference.

spawn
02-23-2005, 01:39 PM
Please realize he has a really nice tan going in the 2004 picture, and that defines muscle...it isn't that big of difference.

You're right. We also should take into account the baggy uniform and the pose. It's really not a dramatic weight loss after all!