View Full Version : Is Canseco a "hero" for what he did?

Viva Medias B's
02-15-2005, 11:18 PM
I heard a caller or two on WSCR this evening claim that Jose Canseco is a hero because, they believe, his book will lead to MLB becoming clean of player steroid usage. Do you buy that? I sure as hell don't. Not only is Canseco not a hero, his book's introduction advocates steroids' usage!

02-15-2005, 11:20 PM
I disagree with his promotion of steroids and he's definitely not a hero, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's telling the truth about some of the players he said did steroids.

02-15-2005, 11:23 PM
Hero, no. Whistleblower, maybe.

02-15-2005, 11:30 PM
Yeah, he's a necessary evil, not a hero.

02-16-2005, 12:38 AM
Hero, no. Whistleblower, maybe.

Exactly. He did what needed to be done, but in no way is it heroic. It would be heroic if he was at the top of his game when he wrote a book and denounced steroids. Now he's a bitter guy that at least in my opinion is telling the 95% truth, but still encourages the use of steroids. He's hardly a hero, but he what he did was necessary for progress

02-16-2005, 12:40 AM
Canseco is no hero, but I don't go the other direction and call him a whore, liar or many of the other things he's been called because of the book.

Baseball was, and perhaps still is, infested with steroid monsters. I'm all for cleaning up baseball. If it takes a few guys writing tattle-tale books, so be it.

02-16-2005, 12:50 AM
Yeah, he's a necessary evil, not a hero."Necessary evil" is the perfect description for Canseco. :thumbsup:

02-16-2005, 01:44 AM
Hero, no. Whistleblower, maybe.

Hero, no. Profiteer, yes- he banked a fortune when he played by cheating, he's made even more by narking on all of his buddies, and now he's even gone on national TV and endorsed steroid usage. It's really quite despicable. He deserves to be forgotten completely, not revered as some saintly hero who purified the game of baseball by writing a book on who all juiced.

02-16-2005, 06:54 AM
I wouldn't call him a hero, he did nothing heroic, but he did the right thing in exposing some of the 'stars' of the game for what they are. This issue is going to linger for years to come...

02-16-2005, 07:31 AM
Jose Canseco may never make the HOF, but he now made the MLB anti-hero short list. Who's on that list? Here are a few that come to mind;

Joe Jackson
Pete Rose
Jim Bouton
Gaylord Perry
Mickey Mantle
Jose Canseco

02-16-2005, 08:35 AM
Canseco is no hero by any definition of the word. The role he has played in outing the juicers is critically important, and for this he deserves credit. But in typical Canseco fashion he is doing this solely for selfish motives. He has even described himself as "8 balled" by MLB. Canseco as victim? Yeah sure, Jose...

I'll say one more thing on behalf of Canseco and it is something he would be completely blind to. Jose is doing everyone a wonderful service by showing the mindset of a juicer.

"Everybody is doing it."
"Steroids makes average athletes great, and great athletes legendary."
"I don't recommend steroids for everyone, but they certainly helped me."
"I'm still using steroids."

Is it even possible to imagine a more perfect example for why steroids should be banned from the game than the case Jose Canseco makes on behalf of steroids in front of the cameras of 60 Minutes? His rationalizations are mind-boggling... and the clubhouses are filled with guys who think just like him.

We're going to trust these idiots to protect themselves? What a joke!

02-16-2005, 08:59 AM
No way is he a "hero".

Ol' No. 2
02-16-2005, 09:23 AM
Who voted YEA?

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Which of these definitions fits Canseco?

02-16-2005, 09:39 AM
Whore was a good description, it is about the money! He is tossing around names and stories to get paid. This does not mean that some of it is not true, but he did not try to help Friends in this matter, he merely became friendly with people then threw them under the bus when he had a opportunity to make money!

02-16-2005, 09:41 AM
No, but that doesn't make him a liar. Neither do the facts that he's a flake, a steroid user, in it for the money, etc., all of which is true but doesn't suggest he's dishonest. I just hope MLB and its players don't sweep the problem under the carpet by killing messenger.

02-16-2005, 09:49 AM
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Jose is opportunistic. Fact is he wanted to put this book out for awhile but couldn't find a publisher until this whole BALCO thing surfaced.

02-16-2005, 11:11 AM
Bud Selig's worst nightmare.

Stroker Ace
02-16-2005, 11:41 AM
No, Canseco is just a rat.

02-16-2005, 11:56 AM
No, Canseco is just a rat.

Hey, wait a minute! I thought Canseco was a whore?

"You're dad gum right."

A whore just like the FBI, eh Hawk?


02-16-2005, 01:49 PM
I don't think Canseco really cares one way or another. The fact is, this is the only way he has left to make a couple of big bucks. If there was no money in if for him, you wouldn't have heard a word.

02-16-2005, 03:48 PM
Jose Canseco's motive for releasing this book is to cash in and try to get back at the MLB because he felt he was blackballed. It's not like he's trying to clean up the MLB with his book.

02-16-2005, 03:54 PM
Let's see...Is Canseco a hero for violating the privacy of his teammates by releasing a book that will make him some fat cash while he still condones steroid use. Yeah, he's a real American hero.