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nccwsfan
02-07-2005, 09:52 AM
I'm sure this thread has been addressed and readdressed many times over, but hopefully it's worth talking about again.

For those who have been around long enough to remember the White Sox' last trip to the World Series, what was the atmosphere like back in 1959? I'm not necessarily talking about when they won the pennant in September, but the entire season. Was there a lot of optimism heading into the season? When did you know that this team was special? Any classic games stick out in your head? Just random thoughts you may have had- thanks.

BigEdWalsh
02-07-2005, 10:08 AM
As I best I recall (I was just a kid) but the Sox were always finishing 2nd to the Yankees. There was always hope, but the Yankees always seemed pretty much unbeatable. Sox didn't exactly come out of nowhere, but on the otherhand, starting the season, I don't think any one would have predicted a pennant.

Paulwny
02-07-2005, 10:37 AM
I was in my early teens, most sport's writers (mags, papers, etc) had picked the sox to finish no higher than 3rd. My local news writer picked them to finish in 6th place.

Opening day in Det. the game goes into extra innings and the sox win the game on a Fox hr. In the back of my mind I was thinking this may be a special yr.

When the sox obtained Ted kluszewski late in the year I was positive the sox would win.

The clinching game in Cleve, I had to listen to the tribe radio broadcast, I was unable to receive WCFL-Chi, listening to the enthusiasm in tribe annoncer's voice die as he thought Vic Power's ball was headed into cf, ~ "fielded by Aparicio, steps on 2nd, throws to 1st, double play, sox win the pennant" and then silence on the radio and shouts of joy in my bedroom. :)

soxrme
02-07-2005, 11:12 AM
I'm sure this thread has been addressed and readdressed many times over, but hopefully it's worth talking about again.

For those who have been around long enough to remember the White Sox' last trip to the World Series, what was the atmosphere like back in 1959? I'm not necessarily talking about when they won the pennant in September, but the entire season. Was there a lot of optimism heading into the season? When did you know that this team was special? Any classic games stick out in your head? Just random thoughts you may have had- thanks.

There was always optimism because we had great pitching and defense. The Yankees always had more power and had pitching and defense. It seemed that if one of our players went bad for awhile our bench would come up big. Klu finally gave us some power and a right fielder named McAnery (don't remember) had some big time hits. We had 3 good catchers, Lollar, Battey, and Romano, who also came up with big hits. I believe if Veeck would have kept those guys and Norm Cash we would have repeated in 1960. Jack Brickhouses' call to end the game will live in my mind forever.

Lip Man 1
02-07-2005, 12:49 PM
Gang:

Audio clips from the pennant clinching game can be found here: (WGN-TV)

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=14&id=2128

Lip

Foulke You
02-07-2005, 12:54 PM
I believe it was in the White Sox Encyclopedia where I read that one of the main things that cost the Sox a World Series victory in '59 was the terrible hitting background in LA. They had over 90,000 people in attendance and the Centerfield backdrop was absolutely brutal on White Sox hitters who had never played in that park before.

Does anyone have the 1959 World Series video tape that MLB puts out? I was wondering if it is worth picking up.

nccwsfan
02-07-2005, 01:56 PM
Gang:

Audio clips from the pennant clinching game can be found here: (WGN-TV)

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=14&id=2128

Lip


Thanks Lip. Hearing the Aparicio double play gave me the chills.....can't wait for this to happen to a White Sox team again!

TornLabrum
02-07-2005, 02:40 PM
a right fielder named McAnery (don't remember) had some big time hits.

Jim McAnany.

Maximo
02-07-2005, 02:54 PM
Jim McAnany.

Went into the abyss after '59, but as already stated, he made some key contibutions during the pennant run.

TornLabrum
02-07-2005, 03:30 PM
A guy with a very peripheral role around that time was pitcher Ken McBride. He appeared at SoxFest a couple of years ago, and I told him how he was one of my favorites, and how sorry I was to see him go when he went to the Angels in the first expansion draft. McBride said that that was actually his big break because he got the chance to be a regular starter with the Angels. The Sox rotation was really hard to break into then because they had such an abundance of pitching.

wilburaga
02-07-2005, 04:07 PM
Went into the abyss after '59, but as already stated, he made some key contibutions during the pennant run.

One of McAnany's contributions was at I game I attended at Yankee Stadium in 1959. After eight innings Ralph Terry and Early Wynn were engaged in the mother of all pitching duels. Terry had a no-hitter going and Wynn had allowed but one cheap hit.

Jimmy Mac broke up the no-hitter in the top of the ninth and I believe Jim Landis drove two runs home with the Sox's second hit. Early made it stand up, ending the game with a controversial double play in what turned out to be a battle of 2-hitters.

Jeeze, that was 46 years ago.

W

nebraskasox
02-07-2005, 04:09 PM
I'm sure this thread has been addressed and readdressed many times over, but hopefully it's worth talking about again.

For those who have been around long enough to remember the White Sox' last trip to the World Series, what was the atmosphere like back in 1959? I'm not necessarily talking about when they won the pennant in September, but the entire season. Was there a lot of optimism heading into the season? When did you know that this team was special? Any classic games stick out in your head? Just random thoughts you may have had- thanks.

There's a book advertised on this site under merchandise, called "Strength Down the Middle - The Story of the 59 CW Sox" by Larry Kalas. The title, of course, comes from the strong pitching staff and position players in center (Landis), catcher (Lollar), SS (Aparicio) and 2B (Fox the 59 MVP). I read the book and it seems like he has something to say about all 154 reg. season games and 6 WS games. There's a good stats section at the end.

We may have caught the powerful Yanks in a down year in 59, although the Sox were clearly the best team that year finishing 5 games ahead of Cleve and 15 in front of the Yanks. Only two teams from the 50's finished ahead of Stengel's Yankee team - and they were both managed by Al Lopez - the 54 Tribe and 59 Sox.

nebraskasox
02-07-2005, 04:18 PM
Sorry, the book is in the "books" section of the WSI shop - not merchandise.

Maximo
02-07-2005, 07:36 PM
I believe this happened in 1959. Even if it didn't, it was close to that time and the photo was etched into the memory of Sox fans back then. A thirdbaseman/outfielder by the name of Al Smith was playing leftfield one afternoon at old Comiskey Park. Can't remember who hit the ball from the other team, but Smith raced back to the wall, pounded his glove, looked up and as he tried to make the catch caught a face full of beer from a cup that a fan had placed on the left field wall. The fan had knocked the beer cup onto Smith as he tried to reach down to catch the same ball.

Haven't seen that photo in years, but I'm sure its around somewhere. It was hilarious.

BTW......Al Smith was one of the few guys on the Sox who could occasionally hit a long one.

Lip Man 1
02-07-2005, 07:42 PM
Maximo:

That took place in Game #2 of the 1959 World Series. Jim Landis talks about it in his WSI Interview. Also read Billy Pierce's WSI Interview for his take on that series. Landis also talks about the hitting background (and fielding background) in the L.A. Coliseum and why it was so hard.

Lip

Maximo
02-07-2005, 07:46 PM
Maximo:

That took place in Game #2 of the 1959 World Series. Jim Landis talks about it in his WSI Interview. Also read Billy Pierce's WSI Interview for his take on that series. Landis also talks about the hitting background (and fielding background) in the L.A. Coliseum and why it was so hard.

Lip

Thanks Lip......I thought that happened during a World Series game, but I was too gun shy to go that far.

Max

MikeW
02-07-2005, 10:03 PM
I was only 4 when the Sox won, but doing some research on the team has given me some time to think about what 'could have been'. It has always been a mystery to me why Mgr Al Lopez did not start Billy Pierce in one of the series games. This has been talked about forever,but I never heard a satisfactory answer. And of course, can you imagine if Bill Veeck hadn't been so power hungry in the winter of 1959, the kind of team we would have had in the 1960's?
Norm Cash,Johnny Callison,Earl Battey,Johnny Romano, Don Mincher and Barry Latman were all dumped.

Lip Man 1
02-08-2005, 12:23 PM
Maximo:
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Mike: That's one of the eternal haunting questions. Part of the answer may be that Billy missed about a month with a hip injury. He came back and pitched in September. Lopez simply may not have been convinced that the hip was 100 per cent. We'll never know for sure. Billy told me how disappointed he was in his WSI Interview and how upset the fans were. One other thing to remember. Bob Shaw started game #2 and came very close to winning it. If Sherm Lollar hadn't been sent home with the potential tying run in the 8th inning for some reason, the Sox had an excellent chance to win the game since they would have had men on 2nd and 3rd and either zero or only one out. If the Sox go up 2-0 the odds say they win the series.

Lip

Maximo
02-08-2005, 12:42 PM
Lip:

Thanks for resurrecting the photo. Strange.....but it brings back both good and bad memories at the same time.

Max

my5thbench
02-08-2005, 12:53 PM
for the memories gang

& thanks to wilbur for the Veeck quote.........that's
a beauty!!!

wassagstdu
02-08-2005, 08:15 PM
The excitement and love of the White Sox (mine and the south side's) grew through the decade of the '50s. It was a team that Frank Lane and Paul Richards built, but got to "point C" with Al Lopez. But to my mind, beloved as the memory of 1959 is, it was kind of a tragic climax. The real joy was the years leading up to the pennant. Watching the emergence of Billy Pierce and Nellie Fox, first Chico Carrasquel then Looie become great shortstops, Sherm Lollar (the original Carlton Fisk), finally Jim Landis -- all of the pieces came together gradually. Then the ultimate victory, followed so quickly by humiliating defeat and the rapid decline in the next few years. Or at least the end of a magical decade. Also, Minnie Minoso was so much a part of that team, but spent '59 with the enemy.

I resented the fact that Lopez didn't give Pierce a start in the WS. Did I make this up or did I read somewhere that Lopez blocked Fox' HoF entry for years because Fox told him off about that? I saw Lopez and Wynn as outsiders, more Cleveland than Chicago. We couldn't have done it without them maybe, but it would have been better if we could. That probably sounds ridiculous in this era of real-life fantasy baseball, but that team really was more than a logo, to me at least.

BTW, if you see a full-length version of that photo of Al Smith getting doused with beer you can see that he is wearing white sox, which the team put on after their game 1 victory and never wore again after they lost game 2. Pretty much nails it.

:luis&nell :fsock

Wsoxmike59
03-26-2005, 05:54 AM
Does anyone have the 1959 World Series video tape that MLB puts out? I was wondering if it is worth picking up.

I have a copy of the '59 WS Foulke You, but I got mine from Rare Sports Films in Naperville. You can find a copy of the '59 WS on eBay from time to time, but they're getting a little hard to find.

It's definitely worth getting, it's such a thrill to see Old Comiskey Park in all its' splendor and the Go-Go Sox in color!!.

Paulwny
03-26-2005, 10:10 AM
I have a copy of the '59 WS Foulke You, but I got mine from Rare Sports Films in Naperville. You can find a copy of the '59 WS on eBay from time to time, but they're getting a little hard to find.

It's definitely worth getting, it's such a thrill to see Old Comiskey Park in all its' splendor and the Go-Go Sox in color!!.

I believe you also recommended Rare Spots Films to me when I was looking to replace my 59 series BETA tape, thank you.
My daughter and son-in-law, Naperville residents, purchased the DVD from Rare Sports Films as one of my X-Mass gifts.
Along with the 59 series the DVD also contains the 56-60 "White Sox at Comiskey" (b+w) and the 59 Dodgers vs Braves pennant play-off, game 2.
Its a great buy.
I wonder what the value is of a rare 59 series BETA tape on e-bay.