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Jabroni
02-05-2005, 02:38 AM
Here is Rob Neyer's original article on the 10 LEAST improved teams this offseason. I'm sure most of you have seen it already...

"As bad as it gets"
Monday, January 31
http://lite.espn.go.com/mlb/columnist?id=1980522Chicago White Sox (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=cha)

Gained: Tadahito Iguchi (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7510), A.J. Pierzynski (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6109), Orlando Hernandez (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6019), Scott Podsednik (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6489)
Lost: Carlos Lee (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6161)

It might reasonably be argued that the White Sox don't belong on this list, especially considering that I've left the Reds off the list. But that Lee-for-Podsednik trade just keeps eating at me, and I suspect that only Iguchi, who of course is unknown to most of us, is capable of saving this winter for the Sox.Well, Neyer neglected to mention the White Sox acquisition of Jermaine Dye (he also forgot to mention Dustin Hermanson and Luis Vizcaino, by the way! :rolleyes:) and many Sox fans must have emailed him about it. Here's his latest article...

"Difficult to quantify outfield arms"
Friday, February 4
http://lite.espn.go.com/mlb/columnist?id=1984248Following up on another column, just as I was overwhelmed with e-mail about Dwight Evans, earlier this week I was overwhelmed with e-mail about Jermaine Dye. As in, "How could you write about the White Sox's offseason moves and not mention Jermaine Dye?"

Guilty as charged. My source for offseason moves left something to be desired (which is the source's fault) and I didn't take the time to double-check (which of course was my fault). I'm still not convinced the White Sox got much better this winter, but signing Jermaine Dye (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5610) probably does remove them from the "10 Teams That Did the Least to Help Themselves" list. So if you're a White Sox fan, feel free to replace them with the Reds or the Phillies.Hey Rob, It must be tough to convince you that a team got much better this winter when you don't even know what players they've added! Ummm... Dye, Hermanson, Vizcaino? Do any of them ring a bell, Robby? It's pretty sad that this guy can actually work for ESPN and miss stuff like this. I think Neyer needs to get his nose out of Billy Beane's and other stat-heads' collective butts and watch his own channel once in awhile.


P.S. - How stupid is ESPN.com that they don't let you read the ESPN Insider without a subscription but you can freely view it from the "Lite" version of the website? :tongue:

WhiteSoxFan84
02-05-2005, 03:01 AM
Anyone else feel like working on a petition to get this schmuck fired?

If you are and wondering how you can help...

Keep a watchful eye on him in the next month or so. Any mistakes he makes or anything offense he says, point it out to the rest of us. We'll bombard ESPN with complaints and ask for his head on a silver platter to be auctioned off on eBay. :smile:

Jabroni
02-05-2005, 03:09 AM
Anyone else feel like working on a petition to get this schmuck fired?

If you are and wondering how you can help...

Keep a watchful eye on him in the next month or so. Any mistakes he makes or anything offense he says, point it out to the rest of us. We'll bombard ESPN with complaints and ask for his head on a silver platter to be auctioned off on eBay. :smile:Maybe Kenny is truly "flying under the radar" so much that Neyer missed out on the Dye, Hermanson, and Vizcaino acquisitions? :?:





Nah, Neyer is just an idiot. :tongue:

http://espn-att.starwave.com/i/columnists/neyer_rob_c.jpg
GASBAG!

Here's Mr. Neyer's email address just incase you want to share your opinions with him:

rob.neyer@dig.com :wink:

TornLabrum
02-05-2005, 04:46 AM
I don't know how much of an idiot he is, but he certainly is a lazy writer. Blaming his "sources" for not knowing about two acquisitions? Bullfeathers! He didn't do his homework. Period.

He'd feel right at home with the hacks who write for the Chicago papers.

MrRoboto83
02-05-2005, 08:16 AM
Do any of these ESPN boobs know anything about baseball??

Ol' No. 2
02-05-2005, 08:54 AM
I don't know how much of an idiot he is, but he certainly is a lazy writer. Blaming his "sources" for not knowing about two acquisitions? Bullfeathers! He didn't do his homework. Period.

He'd feel right at home with the hacks who write for the Chicago papers.Unfortunately, his "source" was proabably another writer, whose "source" was still another writer, etc. etc. etc. NONE of these guys do their homework. The just read each others articles and regurgitate the same pap back again. It's the worst example of "group think" you'll ever find.

voodoochile
02-05-2005, 08:59 AM
I don't know how much of an idiot he is, but he certainly is a lazy writer. Blaming his "sources" for not knowing about two acquisitions? Bullfeathers! He didn't do his homework. Period.

He'd feel right at home with the hacks who write for the Chicago papers.

How hard is it to go to each team's webpage - from the website HE WORKS FOR - take a quick gander at the list of additions and subtractions and jot down a few notes and THEN write the article?!?!?!!

I'm so glad we Sox fans should feel free to substitute the Phillies or Reds. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I didn't have Rob's permission to do so. Oh the horror...:rolleyes:

Brian26
02-05-2005, 10:21 AM
Anyone else feel like working on a petition to get this schmuck fired?

He openly admits that his "source" screwed up and forgot to mention the Dye signing? :?:

Was it supposed to be a "secret"? Talk about unprofessional and incompetent. This guy should be fired on the spot.

Jjav829
02-05-2005, 10:22 AM
How hard is it to go to each team's webpage - from the website HE WORKS FOR - take a quick gander at the list of additions and subtractions and jot down a few notes and THEN write the article?!?!?!!

I'm so glad we Sox fans should feel free to substitute the Phillies or Reds. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I didn't have Rob's permission to do so. Oh the horror...:rolleyes:

Here's the thing. He does this stuff for a living and still doesn't know it. I don't work in baseball for a living, yet off the top of my head, I can rattle off about every single signing or trade of the offseason for every team. You'd think that someone working in the baseball field should be able to do the same.

SoxFan76
02-05-2005, 01:22 PM
This crap just boggles my mind. It's his JOB to know what goes down in the offseason. That is completely unacceptable. He's getting paid to write about baseball. You think he would know a thing or two about the sport.

Chisox003
02-05-2005, 01:39 PM
Maybe Kenny is truly "flying under the radar" so much that Neyer missed out on the Dye, Hermanson, and Vizcaino acquisitions? :?:

Nah, Neyer is just an idiot. :tongue:

http://espn-att.starwave.com/i/columnists/neyer_rob_c.jpg
GASBAG!

Here's Mr. Neyer's email address just incase you want to share your o...pinions with him:

rob.neyer@dig.com :wink:

Oh hes gettin an email....

Lets get that petition started!

I know this is just repeating what everyone else said, but how in the hell does this guy have a job for the biggest sports market in the world...WHAT A JOKE!!

Shok
02-05-2005, 03:49 PM
Albeit he was wrong in the case, but can't you see as Sox fans we're falling victim to the spin cycle K-Will and the boys have sent out during SoxFest? We're devalauing what Carlos Lee did for the team the last couple years.

Neyer knows what a great a player Lee is, and you can't just replace him with defense and speed (remember Carlos didn't make one error last year).

Heck, even Guillen was spinning, saying that crap about Carlos sliding into 2B during the Twins game. Rightfully pointed out, Carlos was going to wreck some Tigers during that 2000 brawl.

Neyer didn't keep track of what an awesome bullpen we're going to have. I mean, our starters will probably go deep into games, but they won't have to. This pitching staff i would say is World Series caliber. I don't know about the position players though....

I've e-mail Neyer before. He responds. I like this style of writing, he just screwed up big time in this case. That happens. Just don't be Jerry Manuel and demmote Keith Foulke the first time he gives up a gopher ball and blows the save. Neyer usually doesn't disappoint.

SABRSox
02-05-2005, 04:19 PM
Keep your eyes on the prize, people:

:moron
"I'm a media whore, and how!"

voodoochile
02-05-2005, 04:43 PM
Albeit he was wrong in the case, but can't you see as Sox fans we're falling victim to the spin cycle K-Will and the boys have sent out during SoxFest? We're devalauing what Carlos Lee did for the team the last couple years.

Neyer knows what a great a player Lee is, and you can't just replace him with defense and speed (remember Carlos didn't make one error last year).

Heck, even Guillen was spinning, saying that crap about Carlos sliding into 2B during the Twins game. Rightfully pointed out, Carlos was going to wreck some Tigers during that 2000 brawl.

Neyer didn't keep track of what an awesome bullpen we're going to have. I mean, our starters will probably go deep into games, but they won't have to. This pitching staff i would say is World Series caliber. I don't know about the position players though....

I've e-mail Neyer before. He responds. I like this style of writing, he just screwed up big time in this case. That happens. Just don't be Jerry Manuel and demmote Keith Foulke the first time he gives up a gopher ball and blows the save. Neyer usually doesn't disappoint.

Lee is a loss if you don't factor in Dye, Posednik, Vicaino, and Hernandez - which is what the team effectively turned that money into.

What would you rather have?

Lee was a loss, but given the Sox budgetary constraints, it was for the best to trade him or Paulie and apparently no one wanted Paulie...

JUribe1989
02-05-2005, 04:57 PM
Those ESPN.com writers are quite talented.

NSSoxFan
02-05-2005, 04:58 PM
Rob Neyer, hmmmmmm....Idiot.

fed ex 4 pasqua
02-05-2005, 06:27 PM
lee's errorless play is overrated when you consider that he was usually out of position and tended to play most balls on the hop

dcb33
02-05-2005, 07:49 PM
P.S. - How stupid is ESPN.com that they don't let you read the ESPN Insider without a subscription but you can freely view it from the "Lite" version of the website? :tongue:

How stupid is ESPN.com that they expect people to pay for the Insider service while employing incompetents who don't even do their own homework? :tongue:

voodoochile
02-05-2005, 08:51 PM
How stupid is ESPN.com that they expect people to pay for the Insider service while employing incompetents who don't even do their own homework? :tongue:

How stupid do the people who paid to become Insiders feel now that it's basically a free service. I never paid a dime and I'm an Insider. I don't know how it happened, but it did...

zach074
02-05-2005, 09:18 PM
Sometimes i think the fans of baseball are smarter than these guys.

OurBitchinMinny
02-05-2005, 09:59 PM
Anyone else feel like working on a petition to get this schmuck fired?

If you are and wondering how you can help...

Keep a watchful eye on him in the next month or so. Any mistakes he makes or anything offense he says, point it out to the rest of us. We'll bombard ESPN with complaints and ask for his head on a silver platter to be auctioned off on eBay. :smile:

Just because he made a mistake? He is entitled to his opinion. The sox got better in starting pitching, provided they stay healthy and the bullpen should be better. The offense is weaker. Its not a sin to say that he doesnt think the sox are better. They lost quite a bit.

nccwsfan
02-05-2005, 11:39 PM
If someone is considered a baseball 'expert analyst' yet forgot a FA signing of someone like Jermaine Dye I would suggest that his opinions are probably not worth getting riled up over. The fact checker was a weak excuse- how could he possibly not have known about Dye?!?!?

ESPN=Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs.

BridgePortNative
02-06-2005, 12:16 AM
what can u expect they are the best at their analysis.:rolleyes:

SOX ADDICT '73
02-06-2005, 12:19 AM
Sometimes i think the fans of baseball are smarter than these guys.
Sometimes?!

Jabroni
02-06-2005, 01:19 AM
Just because he made a mistake? He is entitled to his opinion. The sox got better in starting pitching, provided they stay healthy and the bullpen should be better. The offense is weaker. Its not a sin to say that he doesnt think the sox are better. They lost quite a bit.I don't have a problem with Neyer's or anyone else's opinion on the White Sox but an uninformed opinion is absolutely worthless. How can you judge a team's offseason when you don't even know who they acquired? Neyer lost all credibility in my book.

MRKARNO
02-06-2005, 03:19 PM
I usually respect Rob Neyer, but I think this puts some of his credibility in jeopardy, that he could possibly write an article about the most and least improved teams without having a complete list of additions and subtractions in front of him. He still fails to acknowledge the totality of our offseason acquisitions. This is quite unfortunate and overtly biased in some sense.

beckett21
02-06-2005, 03:45 PM
Sloppy journalism at it's best.

It doesn't bother me that he thinks we are one of the least improved teams. I couldn't care less what his opinion is. That's not the problem at all.

His acknowledgement that he did not have all the facts as to all of the White Sox personnel moves takes away all credibility from the original piece. Very bush-league to blame your source as well. Ultimately, the responsibility lies with the author.

Neyer should be embarassed to call himself a professional. Any respect I may have had for him has been lost. I don't think he deserves to lose his job, but his reputation deserves to take a hit on this one.

HebrewHammer
02-06-2005, 08:21 PM
Wait a second...secret source...leaves out info on the White Sox...hmmmm


Could it be
:moron
"No Mr. Neyer, no other moves, you welcome." Hangs up. "Muahahahahahaha!"

lklrlolnlilklsox
02-07-2005, 11:05 AM
This is my first post to this sight but when i saw the Neyer bashing i had to join in. I was in on a live chat with him about a month ago when he gave the Sox short prospectus due to the same lookover of Jermaine Dye in our line-up. He listed our outfield line-up as RF-Carl CF-Pods and LF-Rowand, and said we were weak to back them up off the bench. HE HAD TO HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF RESPONSES ABOUT THIS BESIDES MY REPLYS b/c he later acknowledged the fact he looked over Dye and said his opinion "might be" shifted by his play.

WHAT AN IDIOT THIS GUY IS! His complete lack of in depth anylisis for any team in that chat (including his favorites) shows his lack of professionalism.

Baby Fisk
02-07-2005, 11:21 AM
This is my first post to this sight but when i saw the Neyer bashing i had to join in. I was in on a live chat with him about a month ago when he gave the Sox short prospectus due to the same lookover of Jermaine Dye in our line-up. He listed our outfield line-up as RF-Carl CF-Pods and LF-Rowand, and said we were weak to back them up off the bench. HE HAD TO HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF RESPONSES ABOUT THIS BESIDES MY REPLYS b/c he later acknowledged the fact he looked over Dye and said his opinion "might be" shifted by his play.

WHAT AN IDIOT THIS GUY IS! His complete lack of in depth anylisis for any team in that chat (including his favorites) shows his lack of professionalism.

:welcome: Hey, welcome aboard, um, you. Is your name derived from the Cthulhian language or am I missing it completely?

In his house at R'lyeh dead Cthulhu lies dreaming...

lklrlolnlilklsox
02-07-2005, 08:25 PM
"Hey, welcome aboard, um, you. Is your name derived from the Cthulhian language or am I missing it completely?"






Well see u gotta read between the lines.
kroniksox insert l's there u go

santo=dorf
02-07-2005, 09:49 PM
"Hey, welcome aboard, um, you. Is your name derived from the Cthulhian language or am I missing it completely?"






Well see u gotta read between the lines.
kroniksox insert l's there u go

I figured it out as soon as I saw it. So why did you name yourself after one of the worst tag teams in the history of professional wrestling? :D:

Jabroni
02-07-2005, 09:54 PM
I figured it out as soon as I saw it. So why did you name yourself after one of the worst tag teams in the history of professional wrestling? :D:http://wrestle.ru/photo/kronik/images/07.jpg
:)

SOXintheBURGH
02-08-2005, 09:55 AM
http://wrestle.ru/photo/kronik/images/07.jpg
:)




LOL... wasn't there finishing move even called "High Times?"

Tekijawa
02-08-2005, 10:59 AM
>>Following up on another column, just as I was overwhelmed with e-mail about Dwight Evans, earlier this week I was overwhelmed with e-mail about Jermaine Dye. As in, "How could you write about the White Sox's offseason moves and not mention Jermaine Dye?"<<

I'm a little dissappointed that all these emails he received were not cut and pasted one thread after another! Is Neyer less important than Brooks?

Jabroni
02-08-2005, 01:31 PM
LOL... wasn't there finishing move even called "High Times?"Yep...

http://www.wrestlingzone.ru/ppv/images/nbr00_kronik.jpg

:)

SoxxoS
02-08-2005, 03:40 PM
As I just stated in a thread in the Clubhouse...Jermaine Dye was Rob Neyer's "free agent bargain of the year."

You think ESPN would be able to cover sports...