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MarkZ35
01-24-2005, 10:00 PM
I recently spoke with Kris Honel's Father and he said that his son is healthy and ready to go. He has gotten his velocity back up and he's throwing in the mid 90's again. He said that the injuries last year were all induced by bad mechanics that were wearing him down but said that he has fixed them. His father said he will start the season in AA but only time will tell how long it is before he gets his shot in the bigs.

OEO Magglio
01-24-2005, 10:12 PM
I recently spoke with Kris Honel's Father and he said that his son is healthy and ready to go. He has gotten his velocity back up and he's throwing in the mid 90's again. He said that the injuries last year were all induced by bad mechanics that were wearing him down but said that he has fixed them. His father said he will start the season in AA but only time will tell how long it is before he gets his shot in the bigs.
Someone correct me on this if I'm wrong but I thought he was never throwing mid 90's since he's been in the sox organization??

MarkZ35
01-24-2005, 10:25 PM
Someone correct me on this if I'm wrong but I thought he was never throwing mid 90's since he's been in the sox organization??

I hope his father is correct.




http://espn.go.com/mlb/columns/downonthefarm/1430983.html


Honel throws in the low-to-mid 90s, has an evil curveball, and knows what to do with it.

OEO Magglio
01-24-2005, 10:45 PM
I hope his father is correct.




http://espn.go.com/mlb/columns/downonthefarm/1430983.html


Honel throws in the low-to-mid 90s, has an evil curveball, and knows what to do with it.
Once again I could be wrong about this but I think that was the scouting report on him coming out of hs but he never really threw that hard since entering the sox organization.

minastirith67
01-24-2005, 10:49 PM
I sure hope Honel is taking care of himself, but I saw him recently getting plastered at a bar back home in Kankakee, that can't be good for his body. I've heard he parties quite a bit. I truly hope his act is together enough to make a lasting contribution in the big leagues, particularly with the Sox.

Randar68
01-24-2005, 11:35 PM
Once again I could be wrong about this but I think that was the scouting report on him coming out of hs but he never really threw that hard since entering the sox organization.

Honel has had velocity consistency issues in the past, but his father's supposed comments are in-line with what I had heard, although I think his "mid-90's" really means 90-91. Anything harder than that and I believe he's probably overthrowing. His curve is a knuckle-curve, a very effective pitch, particularly if Kris can add another plus offspeed pitch to set it up (either his ever developing change or something else down the line). I think he must come up with another effective and trusted off-speed pitch (in addition to the obvious health concerns) to ever be more than a mediocre MLB pitcher, but I think that's not asking too much...

OEO Magglio
01-24-2005, 11:57 PM
Honel has had velocity consistency issues in the past, but his father's supposed comments are in-line with what I had heard, although I think his "mid-90's" really means 90-91. Anything harder than that and I believe he's probably overthrowing. His curve is a knuckle-curve, a very effective pitch, particularly if Kris can add another plus offspeed pitch to set it up (either his ever developing change or something else down the line). I think he must come up with another effective and trusted off-speed pitch (in addition to the obvious health concerns) to ever be more than a mediocre MLB pitcher, but I think that's not asking too much...
Gracias randar, that's what I thought, I didn't remember ever hearing Kris get up to 94-95.

Randar68
01-25-2005, 12:17 AM
Gracias randar, that's what I thought, I didn't remember ever hearing Kris get up to 94-95.You may have read it before, but never from Daver or myself or anyone else that knows what the heck they're talking about...

SoxxoS
01-25-2005, 12:51 AM
Randar-Quick % chances of Honel being a solid major league pitcher. Please take into account his injuries. Just wondering. He slid pretty far down the holy mecca of the Baseball America prospect list...

voodoochile
01-25-2005, 09:48 AM
Another benefit of having 5 solid starters in the bigs is that it gives time for the prospects to truly develop in the minors without rushing them. It will be nice that they don't have to do to Honel what they did to Rauch.

jabrch
01-25-2005, 10:08 AM
Is there a top 10 Sox pitching prospects list anywhere?

I'm curious to what the experts think....

Randar - do you have your own top 10 list? That would interest me also.

VC - I just posted something similar to what you just said over on the main board. Specifically having Hermanson to spot start if someone gets hurt also enables us to really not rush Honel or any of the other prospects anytime soon.

Mohoney
01-25-2005, 10:20 AM
has an evil curveball, and knows what to do with it.

Yeah. That knuckle curve is nasty stuff.

rdivaldi
01-25-2005, 10:37 AM
Kris can "throw" in the mid 90's, but he works in the 90- 93 range when healthy. Good to hear that his elbow is feeling better, but I won't get my hopes up until he starts getting some innings under his belt.

If Corwin Malone can find himself and work through his surgery we could have one hell of a starting staff in Birmingham.

rmusacch
01-25-2005, 11:44 AM
You may have read it before, but never from Daver or myself or anyone else that knows what the heck they're talking about...

How do you know so much about the minor leaguers? Where do you get the info?

maurice
01-25-2005, 01:10 PM
Great news, if true. It was extremely disconcerting the way he fell off the face of the planet last season with no obvious explanation.

Randar68
01-25-2005, 03:54 PM
How do you know so much about the minor leaguers? Where do you get the info?

Aside from seeing the games myself or talking to people who do? That's the primary source. Talk to scouts at games, read the various prospect reports available, etc etc. You learn far more about the prospects by talking to the scouts or the media relations people at the various locations...

For instance. I don't think I'd ever seen Fransisco Hernandez's name mentioned on any website or prospect lists before I saw him in Bristol this year. After 3 days I basically walked out of the stadium thinking I'd just seen the Sox' future at the position. Now he's showing up all over the place...


Soxxos, it's way too hard to place any kind of %'s on him at this point. Given his track record, I'd say it's less than 50-50 he ever becomes a major league regular, but then again, I also would say McCarthy is only at about an 80-90% chance all things considered, just too many variables and possible roadblocks.

danimal81
01-25-2005, 04:55 PM
I sure hope Honel is taking care of himself, but I saw him recently getting plastered at a bar back home in Kankakee, that can't be good for his body. I've heard he parties quite a bit. I truly hope his act is together enough to make a lasting contribution in the big leagues, particularly with the Sox.
Every PCHS grad knows how to handle his liquor!:gulp:
Ahoy Celtics.

minastirith67
01-26-2005, 01:06 AM
Every PCHS grad knows how to handle his liquor!:gulp:
Ahoy Celtics.

If he would have chosen to go his local public school, Bradley-Bourbonnais, he could have won a AA state championship in 2001 with his local friends. Instead he runs off to some private school for the privilege of showing off to the scouts (I assume).

danimal81
01-26-2005, 11:41 AM
If he would have chosen to go his local public school, Bradley-Bourbonnais, he could have won a AA state championship in 2001 with his local friends. Instead he runs off to some private school for the privilege of showing off to the scouts (I assume).

Don't forget that his dad worked up in that area, IIRC as a teacher. Plus, Providence isn't just some private school, staunt tradition in Football, Wrestling and Baseball; they are also highly regarded in academics, the same can't be said for BB on the whole.

waahooo3
01-26-2005, 07:47 PM
Remember Honels two best minor league years were at Kannapolis and Winston-Salem, his velocity in both places probably averaged 88 mph on the radar guns well below the velocity he had back in High School. The reason for his success was his command of his pitches and the ability to use his curve and change up at any time in the count. I'm not worried about the velocity, I'm worried about comment his father made about his mechanics getting messed up. Poor mechanics will hurt his command and his off speed pitches.

chaz171
01-27-2005, 05:04 PM
Another benefit of having 5 solid starters in the bigs is that it gives time for the prospects to truly develop in the minors without rushing them. It will be nice that they don't have to do to Honel what they did to Rauch.

Jon Rauch didn't benefit from being called up early, but he also didn't benefit from being 11' 4" with a 31 mph fastball.

I would also like to state for the record after talking to my dad, he says that I am throwing pain free. 12 years of rest on my enflammed elbow has done good. and I am hoping to throw a simulated game on the side within 2 weeks.

ChiSoxRowand
01-30-2005, 01:46 AM
I thought Honel was throwing 94-95 in high school?

hose
01-30-2005, 07:00 AM
[QUOTE=Randar68]For instance. I don't think I'd ever seen Fransisco Hernandez's name mentioned on any website or prospect lists before I saw him in Bristol this year. After 3 days I basically walked out of the stadium thinking I'd just seen the Sox' future at the position. Now he's showing up all over the place...QUOTE]


He is listed at 5'9 and 160lb, may be Herm Schneider can give him a few pointers on eating.:cool:

Randar68
01-30-2005, 12:19 PM
[QUOTE=Randar68]For instance. I don't think I'd ever seen Fransisco Hernandez's name mentioned on any website or prospect lists before I saw him in Bristol this year. After 3 days I basically walked out of the stadium thinking I'd just seen the Sox' future at the position. Now he's showing up all over the place...QUOTE]


He is listed at 5'9 and 160lb, may be Herm Schneider can give him a few pointers on eating.:cool:

He doesn't appear skinny in-person. He's pretty well put-together. Not ever going to be that wide-body back there, but his got amazing feet for a kid his age/experience.

TomC727
01-30-2005, 06:55 PM
Having gone to school with Honel, he was a real tool, but since he is in the sox farm system, I hope he recovers and is successful with the sox. On another note, I read an injury report from a scout last year and the outlook on Honel was not good. I got a feeling he will not be a factor for the White Sox and will end up going down with an arm injury in the next 2 years.

Randar68
01-30-2005, 07:39 PM
Having gone to school with Honel, he was a real tool, but since he is in the sox farm system, I hope he recovers and is successful with the sox. On another note, I read an injury report from a scout last year and the outlook on Honel was not good. I got a feeling he will not be a factor for the White Sox and will end up going down with an arm injury in the next 2 years.

Too bad he didn't really have a diagnosable injury.

CHIsoxNation
01-30-2005, 09:18 PM
It's great to hear he is getting his mechanics down and getting that fastball back up there. I'll tell ya from experience, I had the pleasure (or torture) of batting against Honel in high school when I played for Sandburg and it was no surprise that he was playing in the minor league system out of high school. He is a good kid and a heck of a ball player. If he stays healthy he will be great in the Sox's roation in a few years.

CleeFan101
01-30-2005, 10:23 PM
Having gone to school with Honel, he was a real tool, but since he is in the sox farm system, I hope he recovers and is successful with the sox. On another note, I read an injury report from a scout last year and the outlook on Honel was not good. I got a feeling he will not be a factor for the White Sox and will end up going down with an arm injury in the next 2 years.


what do you mean that he was a real tool? Anyways i wish him best of luck to recover and have a future career with the White Sox. Whats really going to be exciting is seeing Tracey, B-Mac, and Honel all in the same rotation together since 1 day if everything goes right all 3 could be in the white sox rotation.