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Irishsox1
01-19-2005, 11:52 AM
Since the White Sox actually changed the stadium and improved it a lot, what additional changes would you make?


Tearing down the Cell and rebuilding the old one is not an option.

Ol' No. 2
01-19-2005, 11:53 AM
Since the White Sox actually changed the stadium and improved it a lot, what additional changes would you make?


Tearing down the Cell and rebuilding the old one is not an option.More flagpoles to hold all the championship flags.

GregoryEtc
01-19-2005, 11:58 AM
More flagpoles to hold all the championship flags.

Can we buy the flagpoles now and just put NASCAR flags up there for the time being?

Ol' No. 2
01-19-2005, 12:01 PM
Can we buy the flagpoles now and just put NASCAR flags up there for the time being?Just so they're not WHITE flags.:o:

fledgedrallycap
01-19-2005, 12:03 PM
Even though the advertisements make the park unique, I could due without those or make them tolerable by jazzing them up a bit or installing something clever like the coke bottle in San Fran.

FightingBillini
01-19-2005, 12:09 PM
I actually do like the idea that someone mentioned, I think it was No.2, that they should put flags on the roof for all the American League teams. I think that is very classy.The biggest improvment left to make is to give the park a brick exterior. The park is 1000x better than before, but all the work they have done to date has been inside. JR knows how we feel about his prefab concrete, so hopefully that change will come soon. The outside appearance of the park is just as important as the inside. Also, I would like a grand entrance behind homeplate. Right now its just a narrow double-door that is only accessable by team personel. They should make a huge entrance for the PUBLIC and make it look like the one at old Comiskey. I want something glorious that they can show on every TV broadcast and on postcards. Something that says US Cellular Field Home of the White Sox.

And one other little thing, they should do something with the back of the scoreboard. From the Ryan it looks like its under construction.

FightingBillini
01-19-2005, 12:10 PM
Even though the advertisements make the park unique, I could due without those or make them tolerable by jazzing them up a bit or installing something clever like the coke bottle in San Fran.

I know, a SWILLER LITE bottle!!!

voodoochile
01-19-2005, 12:18 PM
More flagpoles to hold all the championship flags.

There you go...

POTW (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=13&id=2735)

Max Power
01-19-2005, 12:19 PM
Someone recently suggested putting brick in the bullpens and the Bullpen Sports Bar. I think that would be a great idea.
A better out of town scoreboard would be nice. Some of the new parks have boards that indicate runners on base and outs and so on. That would be cool.
Anything to liven up the billboards (or remove them and replace them with better looking advertisements- if such things exist).

Random comment, what they did to the upper deck concourse last season was amazing. The Sox timeline and the glass enclosure make it so much nicer up there. Kudos.

fusillirob1983
01-19-2005, 12:54 PM
More flagpoles to hold all the championship flags.



More championship flags.

Ol' No. 2
01-19-2005, 12:55 PM
There you go...

POTW (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=13&id=2735)Woo-Hoo!!

pinwheels3530
01-19-2005, 01:01 PM
Even though the advertisements make the park unique, I could due without those or make them tolerable by jazzing them up a bit or installing something clever like the coke bottle in San Fran.


Oh, boy don't got Hangar started on this one...he hates those billboards.:D:

SaltyPretzel
01-19-2005, 01:01 PM
Permanent washroom facilities in the parking lots.

alohafri
01-19-2005, 01:05 PM
Two words...Coors Beer.

pinwheels3530
01-19-2005, 01:07 PM
How about putting the championsship flags we do have some where they will be more visable like on the outfield concourse. Having them on the top of the billboards is too high.

southsideirish71
01-19-2005, 01:11 PM
I think one easy thing would be for the grounds crew to paint the sox logo either in the infield grass or outfield grass. It would look cool. Or if you get fancy do the same thing as the redsox did and etch it into the grass during cuttings.

mweflen
01-19-2005, 01:12 PM
A regular analog clock where the Mickey D's ad currently is (center atop the scoreboard). The digital clock on the bottom left of the board is now blocked to just about all seats by the Fan Deck.

If the info board in left will be blocked by Fundamentals, I'd like to see it reincarnated somewhere else, and added to. Persistent lineups (instead of juggling back and forth), batting averages, and pitcher ERA's would be nice. (the current practice of flashing them every once in a while, but almost never late in the game because of incessant lists of sponsors is irritating when keeping score.) League Standings would also be good. I believe Miller Park has something like this.

Turning LD foul line seats further inward towards the infield. The current angle (facing CF) involves a lot of uncomfortable neck-craning. This is a pipe dream however because of the structural concrete beneath the seats. The only possible workaround would be swivel seats, which is also a pipe dream.

Clembasbal
01-19-2005, 01:17 PM
Two words...Coors Beer.

One word...Water


I would like that HR porch out in RF. I think that would close off the stadium to the terrible empty skyline that is presently shown (Not that the projects were any better, but it just looks empty).

I like the idea of a "Behind Homeplate" entrance...where do you put it though with the new scout seating?

The kids thing, I would like to see it that when the Sox do not play at home that a professional whiffle ball league or a recrational whiffle ball league is established.

Bricking the entire thing then whitewashing it with green lettering might be cool...I don't know yet...give it a little Old Comisky Park feel to it.

A better opposing teams scoreboard is a great idea. On one of those digital screens that are on the wall just below the 500 section, maybe a scoreboard for people who sit in Leftfield...since they did not scoreboard changes I have to turn my head to see anything, and now since the Kids thing is going up...where are the scores going to be?

Hangar18
01-19-2005, 01:20 PM
Removing ALL of the Billboards. They look Terrible, Obtrusive,
and Out-Of-Scale. Putting something CREATIVE (see SF with Coke Bottle)
is a beginning (another idea for you Brooks).

Put Year-Round Accessible Restaurants/Bars on the Concourse in LF.

Replace the Glorified-Billboard-with-Fireworks-Lights with a Scoreboard
that looks like the one from 1977, and put THE CLOCK back on top.

since your replacing the Billboard, find the 2 missing Pinwheels and put
them back on the new board while your at it.

Remove the lower 1/4 quarter-precast and replace with the same Bricks
found inside the Stadium. Very easy to do, considering how cheaply
the PreCast was assembled into place. Simply remove Panel of Concrete,
and put Bricks in its stead. Could all be replaced in 6 months.

Brian26
01-19-2005, 01:26 PM
Monster Ferris Wheel in right field in honor of the 1893 World's Fair.

RedHeadPaleHoser
01-19-2005, 01:28 PM
Exterior wise the park "looks" smaller due to the paint job. Any type of exterior work to warm it up would be great.

How about re-building McCuddy's in the RF concourse to connect the fan deck to the new HR porch? Give the feel of the neighborhood IN the park?

Clembasbal
01-19-2005, 01:36 PM
Monster Ferris Wheel in right field in honor of the 1893 World's Fair.

They have a small one in Comerica Park for kids. Maybe a good idea, maybe not. I like the outside of the box thinking though.

fledgedrallycap
01-19-2005, 01:37 PM
Put Year-Round Accessible Restaurants/Bars on the Concourse in LF.


This would need to be in RF now that the Fundamentals is in LF, but I like the thought of this.

santo=dorf
01-19-2005, 01:39 PM
Build an open roof homerun deck in right field similar to what they have in Milwaukee. Allow the people who have the patio in right center to remain there the entire game. Get Jackie Robinson's picture and number off of wall in left Center (save that for Sox players only,) and put a large "42" in between the vines on the black thing in Center field.

Clembasbal
01-19-2005, 01:49 PM
Build an open roof homerun deck in right field similar to what they have in Milwaukee. Allow the people who have the patio in right center to remain there the entire game. Get Jackie Robinson's picture and number off of wall in left Center (save that for Sox players only,) and put a large "42" in between the vines on the black thing in Center field.

Jackie Robinson, great for the game, good that his number is retired, but he never played for the Sox and I just don't think it is necessary to put on our wall. I don't know about putting it in the ivy, maybe somewhere else, maybe on the Fundamentals area, maybe on a flagpole?

santo=dorf
01-19-2005, 01:56 PM
Jackie Robinson, great for the game, good that his number is retired, but he never played for the Sox and I just don't think it is necessary to put on our wall. I don't know about putting it in the ivy, maybe somewhere else, maybe on the Fundamentals area, maybe on a flagpole?

I don't know about a flagpole, but I think it would look alright above the door, or in between the two levels of shrubs.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/mlb/photo/photogallery/0401uscellular/08.jpg

ewokpelts
01-19-2005, 02:01 PM
More flagpoles to hold all the championship flags.
:reinsy :dollarbill:

"FLAGPOLES AND CHAMPIONSHIPS ARE TOO EXPENSIVE!"

mdep524
01-19-2005, 02:03 PM
Exterior wise the park "looks" smaller due to the paint job. Any type of exterior work to warm it up would be great.

How about re-building McCuddy's in the RF concourse to connect the fan deck to the new HR porch? Give the feel of the neighborhood IN the park?

This sounds like a cool idea.

ewokpelts
01-19-2005, 02:03 PM
Jackie Robinson, great for the game, good that his number is retired, but he never played for the Sox and I just don't think it is necessary to put on our wall. I don't know about putting it in the ivy, maybe somewhere else, maybe on the Fundamentals area, maybe on a flagpole?
EVERY MLB team retired hias number in 1997. In his memory and to honor one of the bigest events in basseball history. If you go around the league, his number is displayed ALONGSIDE all the other retired numbers.
Gene

ewokpelts
01-19-2005, 02:04 PM
Build an open roof homerun deck in right field similar to what they have in Milwaukee. Allow the people who have the patio in right center to remain there the entire game. Get Jackie Robinson's picture and number off of wall in left Center (save that for Sox players only,) and put a large "42" in between the vines on the black thing in Center field.
they already sell packages for patio customers to stay the whole game...
Gene

ewokpelts
01-19-2005, 02:05 PM
Removing ALL of the Billboards. They look Terrible, Obtrusive,
and Out-Of-Scale. Putting something CREATIVE (see SF with Coke Bottle)
is a beginning (another idea for you Brooks).

Put Year-Round Accessible Restaurants/Bars on the Concourse in LF.

Replace the Glorified-Billboard-with-Fireworks-Lights with a Scoreboard
that looks like the one from 1977, and put THE CLOCK back on top.

since your replacing the Billboard, find the 2 missing Pinwheels and put
them back on the new board while your at it.

Remove the lower 1/4 quarter-precast and replace with the same Bricks
found inside the Stadium. Very easy to do, considering how cheaply
the PreCast was assembled into place. Simply remove Panel of Concrete,
and put Bricks in its stead. Could all be replaced in 6 months.
dreaming this up for a while , henry?
Gene

Clembasbal
01-19-2005, 02:07 PM
EVERY MLB team retired hias number in 1997. In his memory and to honor one of the bigest events in basseball history. If you go around the league, his number is displayed ALONGSIDE all the other retired numbers.
Gene

I know this, I have been to a ton of other stadiums and have seen this. I was just thinking, and going along with another poster, by saying I just don't think his picture should be there, put it somewhere near there, or maybe just his number on the wall...but I don't like the picture of him there. That is all.

And, on a side note...am I wrong to remember Frank Thomas wanting to honor Jackie Robinson by wearing #42?

santo=dorf
01-19-2005, 02:11 PM
they already sell packages for patio customers to stay the whole game...
Gene

I thought with the patio packages, people stay until the third, and they have tickets to other seats in the ball park. If they sell packages for the entire game I assume they don't get tickets to other seats in the ballpark correct? :?:

Clembasbal
01-19-2005, 02:14 PM
I thought with the patio packages, people stay until the third, and they have tickets to other seats in the ball park. If they sell packages for the entire game I assume they don't get tickets to other seats in the ballpark correct? :?:

I was always under that assumption as well, especially since I have gone to it twice and each time they finished serving food and drinks. Maybe if you pay more you can stay there, maybe for Cubs/Sox games? Have to talk to Tom Collins to find out.

ewokpelts
01-19-2005, 02:17 PM
I thought with the patio packages, people stay until the third, and they have tickets to other seats in the ball park. If they sell packages for the entire game I assume they don't get tickets to other seats in the ballpark correct? :?:corectamundo....they sel both patio and "warnig track" parties...patio has to leave after two innings...warning track people leave after the game..they get a wristband, no ticket...
Gene

mdep524
01-19-2005, 02:20 PM
I never had a problem with the billboards in the OF, and I am in favor of the home run porch/deck in right field and the Grand Entrance in LF or behind home plate.

But I always thought that if money was not an issue, I would like to change the small middle deck that currently sits above the first row of skyboxes and below the upper deck. Those seats/boxes go unused all the time. I don't know how practical it is (probably not at all), but I always thought it would look cool if that section was somehow merged with the existing upper deck to make one smooth deck with an aesthetically pleasing overhang.

Irishsox1
01-19-2005, 02:26 PM
There a are lot of great ideas. I had no idea so many people hated the huge billboards in left and right. They never bothered me, but I can see why people hate them....there too big.

I love the idea of bricking the enterior as the next move. That would really take the depressing/gray/forgot to turnoff the cement mixer feeling away from the stadium.

Someone mentioned bricking the stadium and then painting it white, with green letters. I'm not in favor of that. The orginial Comiskey was a natural brick color. When Veeck bought the team, one of his cheap methods to make and old stadium look better was to paint it white. He did it in Milwaukee when he owned a minor league team there. If you look at any old picture of the stadium, pre-veeck it looked a lot better. But Veeck did bring the exploding scoreboard which I've loved.

mantis1212
01-19-2005, 02:28 PM
Don't know if anyone said this yet or not, but the Cell needs easy access from the el stop. El riders currently have to walk ALL THE WAY around the park if they leave the bullpen bar after the game.
Also, leave the bullpen bar open late- what's their problem with that? I went to a 6PM Sat night game when Buerhle pitched. Of course, Buerhle poured through that game in 2hours 20min. Am hour later the bullpen bar closed. So basically we were chased out the the neigborhood at 9:20 on a Sat night. LAME

Clembasbal
01-19-2005, 02:39 PM
Someone mentioned bricking the stadium and then painting it white, with green letters. I'm not in favor of that. The orginial Comiskey was a natural brick color. When Veeck bought the team, one of his cheap methods to make and old stadium look better was to paint it white. He did it in Milwaukee when he owned a minor league team there. If you look at any old picture of the stadium, pre-veeck it looked a lot better. But Veeck did bring the exploding scoreboard which I've loved.

I mentioned this, and that is a little bit of Sox History I never knew. I mean I am sure that I saw it in pictures, but I never put two and two together. Thanks. I would rather have it like the original Comisky then.

I_Liked_Manuel
01-19-2005, 03:43 PM
i think it's fine how it is, but i've got a few suggestions if we really want to put it over the top. alright, first, we're going to put iowa (hawkeye) flags all around the stadium. then, let's get rid of that damn comiskey statue on the concourse, and put up a couple statues of people that are really special. kirk ferentz and hayden fry are the first to come to mind. then, lets rid ourselves of all of those advertisements surrounding the field and put up pictures of true heroes. nile kinnick, chuck long, bob sanders, robert gallery, dallas clark, and matt roth come to mind. in a few years we can put one up of drew tate too. ya, this would be sweet.

Ol' No. 2
01-19-2005, 03:45 PM
i think it's fine how it is, but i've got a few suggestions if we really want to put it over the top. alright, first, we're going to put iowa (hawkeye) flags all around the stadium. then, let's get rid of that damn comiskey statue on the concourse, and put up a couple statues of people that are really special. kirk ferentz and hayden fry are the first to come to mind. then, lets rid ourselves of all of those advertisements surrounding the field and put up pictures of true heroes. nile kinnick, chuck long, bob sanders, robert gallery, dallas clark, and matt roth come to mind. in a few years we can put one up of drew tate too. ya, this would be sweet.And we could get rid of the grass and plant corn.:D:

Sad
01-19-2005, 03:45 PM
somebody call the Teal cops...

FedEx227
01-19-2005, 03:53 PM
somebody call the Teal cops...

Why? It sounds like a solid idea to me, they can sell corn on the cobb during the games..

thepaulbowski
01-19-2005, 04:01 PM
EVERY MLB team retired hias number in 1997. In his memory and to honor one of the bigest events in basseball history. If you go around the league, his number is displayed ALONGSIDE all the other retired numbers.
Gene


Even at Yankee Stadium? I know Rivera stills wears 42.

Chisox003
01-19-2005, 04:02 PM
i think it's fine how it is, but i've got a few suggestions if we really want to put it over the top. alright, first, we're going to put iowa (hawkeye) flags all around the stadium.....

Not a bad idea, as Ill be a Hawkeye come August....

I really liked most of the ideas here, but the one that REALLY needs to be done is removing all those adds and billboards in the OF (Viagra, Best Damn Sports Show, Exxlon etc.)....IMO they cheapen the Park and I really dont see how they make it unique...The problem here is what would replace them? Suggestions?

This time last year, I would have been all over those blue seats and changing them back to green...2 years ago, it was the bright blue roof and OF wall, along with the scoreboard and anywhere else covered with that color...Brutal

Great improvements so far, but still some things to be done....

Ol' No. 2
01-19-2005, 04:03 PM
Even at Yankee Stadium? I know Rivera stills wears 42.The number was retired, but anyone who had it could keep it.

santo=dorf
01-19-2005, 04:12 PM
The number was retired, but anyone who had it could keep it.

Only he and Mo Vaughn are allowed to wear it. I don't think EVERY stadium has Jackie's number next to their own retired numbers. Where is Jackie's number at the Urinal?

Ol' No. 2
01-19-2005, 04:16 PM
Only he and Mo Vaughn are allowed to wear it. I don't think EVERY stadium has Jackie's number next to their own retired numbers. Where is Jackie's number at the Urinal?They may not have put it up everywhere, but it's retired for all teams. When it was done there were IIRC six players who had it and were allowed to keep it, but I don't remember who they all were.

pinwheels3530
01-19-2005, 04:24 PM
Only he and Mo Vaughn are allowed to wear it. I don't think EVERY stadium has Jackie's number next to their own retired numbers. Where is Jackie's number at the Urinal?


It's on a flag pole in left field. I remember that idiot Bill Murray making a remark that it shouldn't be there or at least change the color to dodger blue!:mad:

santo=dorf
01-19-2005, 04:28 PM
They may not have put it up everywhere, but it's retired for all teams. When it was done there were IIRC six players who had it and were allowed to keep it, but I don't remember who they all were.

I'm pretty sure "Thriller" Mike Jackson was wearing it in 2002 with the Twins, but he wore 38 with the Sox. Maybe he lost the right because he wasn't on an active roster for 2003. :dunno:

GregoryEtc
01-19-2005, 04:37 PM
Here's my wishlist:

A manual scoreboard run by rhesus monkeys.
A 5 foot high hill between first and second base a'la CF at Minute Maid Field.
A scoreboard shaped like Joan Cusack's head that blows bubbles when the Sox hit a home run.
Astro-turf on the infield.
A giant fan behind homeplate that only runs when the Sox are batting.
Meet our new mascot: :bandance:
Between-innings races featuring three fat guys picked from the stands.
Retractable roof

tebman
01-19-2005, 05:04 PM
I mentioned this, and that is a little bit of Sox History I never knew. I mean I am sure that I saw it in pictures, but I never put two and two together. Thanks. I would rather have it like the original Comisky then.

Check this photo from the early 1950s:

http://www.flyingsock.com/OldComiskey/memories.htm

It was originally plain red brick. When Veeck bought the team in the late '50s it had become grimy and tired from the Comiskey family's lack of maintenance. He painted it bright white (admittedly a clumsy move) to make a dramatic statement:

http://flyingsock.com/OldComiskey/Allyns.htm

- tebman

C-Dawg
01-19-2005, 06:16 PM
This time last year, I would have been all over those blue seats and changing them back to green...2 years ago, it was the bright blue roof and OF wall, along with the scoreboard and anywhere else covered with that color...Brutal



Yeah, I don't know why they ever picked the blue in the first place. Look at something like the the blue on the American-National scoreboard - now that we're getting used to the dark grey and the green of the Fan Deck, the bright blue really looks garish. I know they had blue seats at Tiger Stadium, and there was blue on the walls all over Old Comiskey, but at least both of those stadiums used a much darker shade which wasn't so garish.

I think the Cell's going to look great with the green seats!

Sox Laundry Guy
01-19-2005, 08:06 PM
Comerica uses benches at the start of each aisle in the concourse. Good place to socialize, meeting, etc.. Place benches with South Side street names at the start of the aisle. Cool place to grab when it rains, can pass out beer, food, etc.. Can even be used for handicapped seating without wheelchairs. Make em wood too.

Rush20
01-19-2005, 08:15 PM
Removing ALL of the Billboards. They look Terrible, Obtrusive,
and Out-Of-Scale. Putting something CREATIVE (see SF with Coke Bottle)
is a beginning (another idea for you Brooks).

Put Year-Round Accessible Restaurants/Bars on the Concourse in LF.

Replace the Glorified-Billboard-with-Fireworks-Lights with a Scoreboard
that looks like the one from 1977, and put THE CLOCK back on top.

since your replacing the Billboard, find the 2 missing Pinwheels and put
them back on the new board while your at it.

Remove the lower 1/4 quarter-precast and replace with the same Bricks
found inside the Stadium. Very easy to do, considering how cheaply
the PreCast was assembled into place. Simply remove Panel of Concrete,
and put Bricks in its stead. Could all be replaced in 6 months.

I agree! I think the LF corner (Dan Ryan) needs to be improved so that the outside of the ballpark is more inviting. Build the restaurant/hall of fame shop right below the FUNdamentals area and replace the exterior ramp with some kind of grand entrance.

Finish off the park with a right field upper deck or home run porch that connects into the stadium club and then as mentioned, finish off with some decorative brick inside and outside the ballpark. The idea of all American and perhaps National league team flags in the concourse or connected the the outfield scafolds would be nice.

C-Dawg
01-19-2005, 08:41 PM
I think its been said already, but I wonder if there's a way to spruce up the Bullpen Sports Bar? As it is, it looks like its a bar that's kind of stuck in a corner of a warehouse. Miller Park's bar area is a lot more inviting in my opinion.

Brian26
01-19-2005, 08:55 PM
I think its been said already, but I wonder if there's a way to spruce up the Bullpen Sports Bar? As it is, it looks like its a bar that's kind of stuck in a corner of a warehouse. Miller Park's bar area is a lot more inviting in my opinion.

Remember where you are. It's a baseball game. People are smoking and spilling beer all over the place. I'm not sure how much more it needs to be spruced up. If you want class, you go to the Stadium Club. Otherwise, I like the feel of the bullpen bar.

C-Dawg
01-19-2005, 09:01 PM
Remember where you are. It's a baseball game. People are smoking and spilling beer all over the place. I'm not sure how much more it needs to be spruced up. If you want class, you go to the Stadium Club. Otherwise, I like the feel of the bullpen bar.

I think its just the exposed concrete I don't like. Maybe with more stuff on the walls it will look better.

zach074
01-19-2005, 09:41 PM
I think its just the exposed concrete I don't like. Maybe with more stuff on the walls it will look better.

When I went to the garage sale and saw the bullpen sports bar i was amazed that it was as nice as it is. But maybe thats because I'm 16 and haven't seen alot of bars.:cool:

I want Mags back
01-19-2005, 09:50 PM
How about putting the championsship flags we do have some where they will be more visable like on the outfield concourse. Having them on the top of the billboards is too high.

If they our on a concourse, youd have to walk to see them. They should be high in the outfield, as they are

wsbaseball9
01-19-2005, 10:05 PM
Churro Vendors...like hot dog guys but churro guys...unless we already have that which is awesome...anyway, churro vendors

Gosox1917
01-19-2005, 10:12 PM
I don't know about a homerun porch in RF but extending the upper deck to about Right Center Field to get rid of a couple of billboards and move the out-of-town scoreboard would be nice. Flag poles are a great idea too. With everything else they've done, we would have the best ballpark in the majors.

zach074
01-19-2005, 10:19 PM
Churro Vendors...like hot dog guys but churro guys...unless we already have that which is awesome...anyway, churro vendors

Everyone .... i have a confession to make i have never had a churro! :redface:

pczarapa
01-19-2005, 11:14 PM
Since the White Sox actually changed the stadium and improved it a lot, what additional changes would you make?


Tearing down the Cell and rebuilding the old one is not an option.

How 'bout an '05 AL pennant and a World Series flag out in left field!! :bandance:

Whitesox029
01-19-2005, 11:54 PM
Someone's probably already said this but I don't have time to read every post in this thread...
I would add an upper deck in fair ground in right field ala Old Comiskey, Tiger Stadium, Ballpark in Arlington.

SleepySox
01-20-2005, 12:25 AM
Is picking up the entire stadium and making it face the skyline out of the question? It should have at least faces in the same general direction as the old Comiskey...

batmanZoSo
01-20-2005, 12:32 AM
Oh, boy don't got Hangar started on this one...he hates those billboards.:D:

I hate them so much!:angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:
http://www.comic-mint.com/media/client/0649_homer-angry-portrait-c7714_sml.JPG

Nellie_Fox
01-20-2005, 12:49 AM
It was originally plain red brick. When Veeck bought the team in the late '50s it had become grimy and tired from the Comiskey family's lack of maintenance. He painted it bright white (admittedly a clumsy move) to make a dramatic statement:That's a hand-tinted photo, and not representative of the true colors (to confirm, look at the hand of the cop in the lower left corner. No human skin has ever achieved that particular hue.) The bricks were not red, they were light tan. The pre-cast concrete of the new park was dyed to match the color of the original bricks.

Nick@Nite
01-20-2005, 12:52 AM
Everyone .... i have a confession to make i have never had a churro! :redface:

There is always a first time. :wink:

FightingBillini
01-20-2005, 02:34 AM
I just realized this. The scoreboard isn't actually...
a scoreboard. There aren't scores posted on it anymore. They should redo the scoreboard and make it look more like the one in old Comiskey.

BigEdWalsh
01-20-2005, 02:41 AM
I don't know about a homerun porch in RF but extending the upper deck to about Right Center Field to get rid of a couple of billboards and move the out-of-town scoreboard would be nice. Flag poles are a great idea too. With everything else they've done, we would have the best ballpark in the majors.

I just noticed the Sox have a pretty darn good record in games you've attended. Any chance you can go to ALL the games this year, home and road?
:)

Brian26
01-20-2005, 10:35 AM
Is picking up the entire stadium and making it face the skyline out of the question? It should have at least faces in the same general direction as the old Comiskey...

LOL. Ideally, I'd like to see the whole stadium picked up, rotated 90 degrees counterclockwise and moved north. Drop it along Clinton, between Harrison and Roosevelt.

tebman
01-20-2005, 10:37 AM
That's a hand-tinted photo, and not representative of the true colors (to confirm, look at the hand of the cop in the lower left corner. No human skin has ever achieved that particular hue.) The bricks were not red, they were light tan. The pre-cast concrete of the new park was dyed to match the color of the original bricks.

You're right -- the picture was obviously tinted like a Technicolor movie:
http://www.flyingsock.com/OldComiskey/memories.htm

The touching-up was probably done to make the place look more appealing. I remember hearing a long-ago interview with Veeck talking about how dull the park looked when he bought the team in 1959. The park was 50 years old in 1960, and had 50 years of pre-EPA grime and soot on it.

Painting it white was probably cheaper than sandblasting it, and had the double benefit of being more dramatic. Veeck was nothing if not dramatic.

- tebman

pinwheels3530
01-20-2005, 12:44 PM
LOL. Ideally, I'd like to see the whole stadium picked up, rotated 90 degrees counterclockwise and moved north. Drop it along Clinton, between Harrison and Roosevelt.


You get a great view of the skyline from that part of the city.

JoseCanseco6969
01-20-2005, 01:41 PM
Two words...Coors Beer.

I give that a huge HELL YES!

SALUKIS15
01-20-2005, 02:57 PM
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=1662

This picture was up here on the boards a few months back. I like the renovations in the pic and think the stadium would look even better with the green seats.

Nellie_Fox
01-20-2005, 02:58 PM
Coors = Absolutely flavorless carbonated water.

rdivaldi
01-20-2005, 03:06 PM
You get a great view of the skyline from that part of the city.

Uh yeah, and you'd have a long time to look at it as you sat in traffic for 3 hours. That would be a terrible place to put the ballpark, as is anywhere in the soon to be extremely congested South Loop.

Gosox1917
01-20-2005, 03:13 PM
I just noticed the Sox have a pretty darn good record in games you've attended. Any chance you can go to ALL the games this year, home and road?
:)

Maybe I should contact somebody in the front office and let them know the Sox winning percentage when I'm in attendance. I could be the new traveling mascot! That would be sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.

Sad
01-20-2005, 03:19 PM
I'll take Coors over Miller Low Life any day :gulp:

Irishsox1
01-20-2005, 03:23 PM
That's a hand-tinted photo, and not representative of the true colors (to confirm, look at the hand of the cop in the lower left corner. No human skin has ever achieved that particular hue.) The bricks were not red, they were light tan. The pre-cast concrete of the new park was dyed to match the color of the original bricks.

The pre-cast concrete on the new park, looks like light tan pre-cast concrete, which looks ultimately like poured concrete. I find the exterior of the new stadium to be very ugly because it looks bland. Also, the fake windows with the blue trim is ugly. The natural brick would look a lot better. I just hope the White Sox address this.

BlackSox
01-20-2005, 04:31 PM
Count me among the "I hate the billboards" group... personally, I think they are one of the biggest reasons the place looks "sterile" and "ballmall". I realize they bring in revenue, but they look terrible.

I don't know how feasable this would be, but I always wished they could tear them down and build a huge fan deck / bar / hang out area up and behind the main concourse. It would open the space up and create a more park-like feel. Maybe they could even sell $15 "hang out" tickets and increase capacity.

Creating a Left Field corner entrance for El riders is a good idea, too. And I wish you could cut behind the stadium for easier access to Lot E for el riders who are meeting friends at a tailgate. That said, more bathrooms in the parking lot are a must.

WhiteSoxNation
01-20-2005, 04:58 PM
Since the White Sox actually changed the stadium and improved it a lot, what additional changes would you make?


Tearing down the Cell and rebuilding the old one is not an option.

Ok i'd turn it around so it would have downtown in the background... take those lame leftfield/rightfield upper deck seats way down the line and put an upper deck in right or left.....Give some odd dimensions it's just to plain now, somehting like Ballpark in Arrlington would be sweet (that was actually the original blueprints but was rejected.)

GregoryEtc
01-20-2005, 05:02 PM
Count me among the "I hate the billboards" group... personally, I think they are one of the biggest reasons the place looks "sterile" and "ballmall". I realize they bring in revenue, but they look terrible.

They are awful. They remind me of the old Ranger's stadium:
http://hometown.aol.com/CYCLEMENS8601/images/bp056d.jpg

mike squires
01-20-2005, 05:30 PM
I know it's not just the Sox buy all of professional sports but I would lower food and souvenier prices. i was cruising around the park awhile back and saw those "little bobbles" with Mark,Frank, Konerko but they were a staggering 30 bucks!!! Same with the 83 winning ugly tape. 30 bucks. The only reason I got it was cause I'm obsessed with that 83 team. Come on, 20 bucks for a regular DVD is too much and mine is a tape, not a DVD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 20 would have been more than reasonable. I simply would make prices more convenient for middle income folks like myself...

whitesoxwilkes
01-20-2005, 05:34 PM
LOL. Ideally, I'd like to see the whole stadium picked up, rotated 90 degrees counterclockwise and moved north. Drop it along Clinton, between Harrison and Roosevelt.

Right in my backyard!

hsnterprize
01-20-2005, 06:26 PM
Other than building a brand new ballpark (in which I've been thinking about how it would look for a while and I'll share with you on another thread), I'd do the following to U.S. Cellular Field...

First, I'd brick-face the outside of the ballpark and put up classic-style signs to the place. Maybe putting a marquee behind home plate similar to the old "Welcome to Comiskey Park: Home of the Chicago White Sox" sign with some kind of LCD screen nearby. It would be shaped like the current center-field scoreboard...if you can imagine it.

Secondly, I'd put LCD signs in the shape of the scoreboard on the walkways across 35th Street, and put screens on those.

Third...as much as the "I hate billboards" trend has risen, I propose a compromise. There's nothing wrong with advertising, and the people involved with the Sox want to make money. So here's my idea for the outfield concourse. Instead of what's currently there, I suggest tearing down the current structures, and replacing them with 2 large boards. The one in center field would be a replica of the original exploding scoreboard from the 1960's and 70's, but with modern technology. There would be 2 LCD boards and 1 long video screen similar to the one in center field now. The LCD boards would have the linescore and other graphics/statistics, and they would be next to one another. The video screen would be on top of the boards. I'd also have the pinwheels above the scoreboard be LCD boards as well, so not only would the pinwheel designs show when appropriate, but also show other graphics and designs. Also, that CF piece would be wider and longer than the scoreboard at Jacobs Field...outlines and supported in black piping. The piping itself would also extend behind and above the LCD "pinwheels" to add to the look. In short, try to imagine the original exploding scoreboard larger than the scoreboard at Jacobs Field, with black piping around it similar to the scoreboard at SBC Park. And all the frills and details of the scoreboard would be digitized, from the "Sox-o-Gram" to the "Speed-o-Meter" above the center circle. This scoreboard would obviously light up

The other LCD board would be in right field, and it would combine and out-of-town scoreboard and advertising And I would have it shaped like the current center field scoreboard...even with pinwheels of their own. It would obviously be smaller than the CF board, and it would light up after Sox homers.

Other than that, I thing everything else from the green seats to the closer-to-the-field seat configuration is fine. The only thing that would top that as well as the other improvements already made would be to build brand new. Too bad that's not an option here.

6th_starter
01-20-2005, 10:07 PM
I think you have some great ideas for the park. May I also add in addition to the cosmetic changes that they also energize the audio tracks that are used for player introductions. Id like to hear some current tracks or some classic rock - something along the lines of the kind of songs played at pro basketaball and hockey games. I think Paulie is the only one that has metal. The rest of the players have some tame latin or old pop songs. Ive noticed the same lame tracks for several years such as the 'r-o-w-d-i-e thats the way we spell rowdy', Ricky Martin - 'do you really want it', and some nonsense that resembles 'were making junk' - can we get something fresh?
Their gonna have to 86 the O-E-O and JoseJoseJose tracks anyway ...why not get some new stuff

White Sox Randy
01-20-2005, 11:34 PM
It's fabulous the way it is. The only change that would make it even more enjoyable for me would be not to allow cub fans in the park. Wouldn't that be great ?

Chisox003
01-20-2005, 11:41 PM
Count me among the "I hate the billboards" group... personally, I think they are one of the biggest reasons the place looks "sterile" and "ballmall". I realize they bring in revenue, but they look terrible.

I don't know how feasable this would be, but I always wished they could tear them down and build a huge fan deck / bar / hang out area up and behind the main concourse. It would open the space up and create a more park-like feel. Maybe they could even sell $15 "hang out" tickets and increase capacity.

Creating a Left Field corner entrance for El riders is a good idea, too. And I wish you could cut behind the stadium for easier access to Lot E for el riders who are meeting friends at a tailgate. That said, more bathrooms in the parking lot are a must.

I was thinking about this billboard thing today, and with the new addition of the FUNdementals in LF, wont at least 2 of those big ads come down? That would leave mostly the big ones in RF, and maybe we can somehow come up with something to replace em...

FightingBillini
01-21-2005, 02:05 AM
I mentioned the scoreboard earlier. With how big the park is, it seems like the scoreboard should be bigger. Not only that, but no scores are actually displayed on the scoreboard. I went nuts with photoshop, and came up with a revised version of the scoreboard. Hangar always talks about wanting a scoreboard to look like the one at old comiskey, with the clock and the extra pinwheel, so I did that too. Just for the hell of it, I took down the billboards. Keep in mind, I am a novice at photoshop. I realize this is a poor image, but you guys get the picture. BTW, the scoreboard is supposed to be solid green, but I couldn't replicate the shading of the original image. This was what came of a boring tuesday night a couple of months ago. Your thoughts?

tebman
01-21-2005, 10:16 AM
I mentioned the scoreboard earlier. With how big the park is, it seems like the scoreboard should be bigger. Not only that, but no scores are actually displayed on the scoreboard. I went nuts with photoshop, and came up with a revised version of the scoreboard. Hangar always talks about wanting a scoreboard to look like the one at old comiskey, with the clock and the extra pinwheel, so I did that too. Just for the hell of it, I took down the billboards. Keep in mind, I am a novice at photoshop. I realize this is a poor image, but you guys get the picture. BTW, the scoreboard is supposed to be solid green, but I couldn't replicate the shading of the original image. This was what came of a boring tuesday night a couple of months ago. Your thoughts?

Great concept! The value of your Photoshop work is that is suggests proportions for the board that would make it the focal point it ought to be.

I never understood, going back to 1982 when Veeck's original board was replaced, why so much personality was taken out of the board when the technical improvements were made. You'd think that the Sox would want to expand on those identifiable features that make people smile -- what they did instead is replace the old board's foot-stomping quality with a tastefully decorated TV screen.

Maybe some sponsor would be interested in getting its name attached to an iconic image like the scoreboard. When Veeck dreamed it up in 1960, he was trying to replicate a jackpot-paying pinball machine that he'd seen in a stage play years before. The point was that the home run is a great triumphant moment that deserves a raucous celebration -- of course it doesn't hurt that the raucous celebration also annoys the opposing team.:tongue:

- tebman

mike squires
01-21-2005, 11:16 AM
I don't think the old clock and extra pinwheels goes with the rest of the park. Other changes would have to be made. Maybe it would look better with the billboards still up...The park looks so much better than it did before renovations. Now, if we could just get that homerun porch in right....

Tekijawa
01-21-2005, 11:38 AM
I would Cover the entire stadium in gold leaf.

I would have Nacho vendors.

I would put a seat on a conveyorbelt system at the top of each foul pole.

Pirogi races: Potato and Onion, Potato and Cheese, and Beef (ala the sausage race in Milwaukee)

Every year I would cover the entire field in plastic and fill the Stadium with water 3 feet deep and invite neighborhood kids in for the day, then have a night game with fireworks!

I would have Fedex, UPS, DHL, and the USPS design an build their own golf carts and then have each race the ball out for the opening pitch for each game.

I would build something similar to the fan deck in the middle of the parking lot, with concessions and bathrooms for tailgaters and a large deck on top to over look the parking lot. You could have radio broadcasts and give aways up there. Joe Borchard can hit home runs out there for his annual September call up.

Home run porch in right.

Play a night game under black lights!

Middle-aged men run the bases night! The kids like it, the old people seem to have fun, why can't I do something that 90% of us here would love to do?

Ol' No. 2
01-21-2005, 11:48 AM
Middle-aged men run the bases night! The kids like it, the old people seem to have fun, why can't I do something that 90% of us here would love to do?They're home on Father's Day this year. A few years back they let the Moms run the bases with their kids after a Mother's Day game. Do you think they'll do the same thing for Father's Day?

Tekijawa
01-21-2005, 11:57 AM
They're home on Father's Day this year. A few years back they let the Moms run the bases with their kids after a Mother's Day game. Do you think they'll do the same thing for Father's Day?

I say we forward it to Brooks!

margiss
01-21-2005, 12:50 PM
I don't know how feasable this would be, but I always wished they could tear them (billboards) down and build a huge fan deck / bar / hang out area up and behind the main concourse. It would open the space up and create a more park-like feel. Maybe they could even sell $15 "hang out" tickets and increase capacity.

Creating a Left Field corner entrance for El riders is a good idea, too. And I wish you could cut behind the stadium for easier access to Lot E for el riders who are meeting friends at a tailgate. That said, more bathrooms in the parking lot are a must.

2 great concepts that have had a little dialogue.

We need to get rid of the billborads this done. With the new scoreboard concept art posted additional revenues could come from the larger design with a little creativity. In addition, an old concept of doing away with the billboards and replacing them with old Chicago style building and store fronts would allow a number of creative marketing and advertising opportunities (cha ching). In fact, you can probably even turn some of these into restaurant and year around memorabilia shops. If you aren't going to build outside the stadium, why not bring the city feel inside the park (as a recent poster noted). At least this concept could deflect the fact that nothing will allow a downtown view. This would only be outdone by the concept grand entrance in the LF corner which would pull the entire concept together.

This combined concept would establish unique character to finish off the stadium improvements, potentially enhance revenue opportunities and erase the remaining eyesores (both inside and from hte outside view of hte stadium.

By the way, I wouldn't expect any changes to add potential brickwork outside the stadium. Look close next visit, especially on the outside down the first base line, and you will see the future outside look of the stadium . . . ivy. That's right, I never see any mention of it on these boards but the future external look of the stadium will be ivy. The process has been under way for a little while now. It's only a matter of time.

Mickster
01-21-2005, 12:59 PM
Realistic changes to the stadium?

NONE.

With the last round of changes (FUNdamentals and green seats) all of the US Cellular naming dollars will be tapped. No funds will be available to make changes to the stadium like some woud like in this thread. Let's just be happy with what was done and stop all of the pipe dreams.

FedEx227
01-21-2005, 01:07 PM
Yeah, am I the only one that doesn't really see a need for any changes? I like the park the way it is...

mdep524
01-21-2005, 01:09 PM
Realistic changes to the stadium?

NONE.

With the last round of changes (FUNdamentals and green seats) all of the US Cellular naming dollars will be tapped. No funds will be available to make changes to the stadium like some woud like in this thread. Let's just be happy with what was done and stop all of the pipe dreams.

Mick, that is true to a certain degree. Yes, the US Cellular money will be all but gone after this round of renovations. But.. if the Sox were serious about a major renovation in the future, like a RF home run porch, they could get another sponsor to shell out a big chunk of the cash to build it.

For example Miller Lite could fork down X amount of dollars to be the official sponsor of the HR porch, and have their logo, etc. prominently placed in the new area. This would at the very least lower (if not almost eliminate) the cost of the renovation to Uncle Jerry and co.

Mickster
01-21-2005, 01:17 PM
Mick, that is true to a certain degree. Yes, the US Cellular money will be all but gone after this round of renovations. But.. if the Sox were serious about a major renovation in the future, like a RF home run porch, they could get another sponsor to shell out a big chunk of the cash to build it.

For example Miller Lite could fork down X amount of dollars to be the official sponsor of the HR porch, and have their logo, etc. prominently placed in the new area. This would at the very least lower (if not almost eliminate) the cost of the renovation to Uncle Jerry and co.

How much, realistically, would a sponsor pay for (using your example) naming rights for a home run porch? US Cellular paid ($68M iirc) for naming rights for like 20 years. What would it cost for a right field porch? Would a perspective sponsor pay all renovation costs? Speculative at best.

GregoryEtc
01-21-2005, 04:37 PM
How about inviting some CHICAGO restaurants to open up on the concourse.... like a Portillo hot dogs and ribs.

Chicago is known world wide for its food. Lets capitalize on that.

RedHeadPaleHoser
01-21-2005, 05:30 PM
How about inviting some CHICAGO restaurants to open up on the concourse.... like a Portillo hot dogs and ribs.

Chicago is known world wide for its food. Lets capitalize on that.

I revert back to my previous post - changing it to McCuddy's (come on, how cool would that be to rebuild McCuddy's on the OF concourse - God knows there's room) and some ChaKAAAAGO restaurants. And of course, tie them into the home run porch.

We get the neighborhood ambience IN the park - make the whole concourse like a smaller scale neighborhood.

Nick@Nite
01-21-2005, 05:35 PM
:tomatoaward

You guys are slipping. :wink:

Gosox1917
01-21-2005, 05:59 PM
Here's a dumb question, how do you put pics into your thread? I have one of what Comiskey may look like in a couple years with a right-field upper deck and would like to share but cant figure out how to attach it.

HoustonAstros967
01-21-2005, 07:41 PM
:bandance: The Cell is one of my favorite stadiums i have ever been to. And i have been to lots. (Wrigley (worst stadium), Jacobs Field, Miller Park, Fenway, Pac Bell, Yankee Stadium, etc.) They don't need to change anything. Except maybe add more churros stands!

GregoryEtc
01-22-2005, 12:25 AM
Here's a dumb question, how do you put pics into your thread? I have one of what Comiskey may look like in a couple years with a right-field upper deck and would like to share but cant figure out how to attach it.

There are no dumb questions.

If you hit reply to this message and then scroll down a bit, you'll see "Additional Options". In there is a button "Manage Attachments" Click it and upload your picture. Can't wait to see it.

SOXSINCE'70
01-22-2005, 09:46 AM
Just an addition to the name:


Sox Park at US Cellular Field.

I call it Sox Park now anyway.I won't call it USCF
or"Comiscular".If the Orioles have Oriole Park at
Camden Yards,the Sox can have Sox Park at
USCF.

Gosox1917
01-22-2005, 12:17 PM
Ok so here's my rendering of what the Cell would look like with the upper deck extending to right field. Now it's not perfect, and not exactly to scale but it is pretty close. Also, thanks to GregoryEtc. for the help.:D:

GregoryEtc
01-22-2005, 12:54 PM
Ok so here's my rendering of what the Cell would look like with the upper deck extending to right field. Now it's not perfect, and not exactly to scale but it is pretty close. Also, thanks to GregoryEtc. for the help.:D:

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=2413

WOW. AWESOME!!!!!!!!

pinwheels3530
01-22-2005, 01:06 PM
Just an addition to the name:


Sox Park at US Cellular Field.

I call it Sox Park now anyway.I won't call it USCF
or"Comiscular".If the Orioles have Oriole Park at
Camden Yards,the Sox can have Sox Park at
USCF.


Great idea!!!!!!

Nick@Nite
01-22-2005, 01:16 PM
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=2413

WOW. AWESOME!!!!!!!!

Cool pic... if a RF UD was ever built, balls hit to left & left center would fly out as if they were shot out of a cannon due to the suction effect of the air flow/breeze exiting the stadium.

Blueprint1
01-22-2005, 01:18 PM
What would be the point of building an upperdeck like that? If they build an upperdeck in the outfield it better be over the seats that are currently in the outfiled or else it would be way too far away from the action.

mdep524
01-22-2005, 01:20 PM
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=2413

Wow. That looks pretty damn cool Gosox1917.

Mickster
01-22-2005, 01:21 PM
Wow. That looks pretty damn cool Gosox1917.

How did you photoshop all of the fans in the stadium? :redneck

Nick@Nite
01-22-2005, 01:31 PM
How did you photoshop all of the fans in the stadium? :redneck

:reinsy
"when it came to the upper deck, I've always said that ... no ... nobody sits... that nobody sits up there... hey! Where did THEY come from?"

Gosox1917
01-22-2005, 01:45 PM
What would be the point of building an upperdeck like that? If they build an upperdeck in the outfield it better be over the seats that are currently in the outfiled or else it would be way too far away from the action.

That is true, however building a upper deck that covers the outfield seats would require Wrigley like poles in the middle of the seats/aisles of the RF lower seating. This rendering would give all fans a good view IMO, and if you notice there is a nice second level between the lower bowl and the upperdeck which would provide a better view for those willing to take it.

The Wunsch
01-22-2005, 03:40 PM
With the capacity of the upperdeck reduced, we don't need as many ramps going up there. The north exterior wall of the stadium is nice, similar to old comiskey, but nobody can see it with the ramp that is there. Get rid of it!!

bahn1225
01-22-2005, 04:12 PM
In this thread there are three excellent ideas that are easily "do-able" and would cost very little or would be revenue neutral:

1. Flags
Flags and flagpoles in the grand scheme of things don't cost that much.
Everyone likes flags and having one for each American League team is a great idea.
NOTE: just because they have have flags at the urinal doesn't mean we're taking their concept ; they didn't invent flags.

2. Billboards
Advertising in ballparks is here to stay.
I think everyone's main complaint is quantity and lack of imagination.
My "original thought" here is this; if you charge $30 a piece for five signs you make $150.
Why not charge $50 for three signs?
You still make $150, fans are happy because there are fewer signs and the advertiser feel more exclusive.
As was previously mentioned, have the some signs that are creative, not just bland billboards.
Aren't ad agencies suppose to be creative?

3. Clock
Even the guys that say "I like everything the way it is" would like to see a good old fashion clock on the scoreboard.
It just belongs there.
I seem to recall a previous post eluding to the fact that Mr. Brooks Boyer is aware of this request and is waiting for a prior contract to elapse.
Aside from the fact that this would be a great addition easily paid for through sponsorship,
you could use the second hand to time some players blinding speed on the base paths.

GregoryEtc
01-22-2005, 04:13 PM
I hope you don't mind, I've taken your idea a little further...
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=2414

:reinsy
"ahhh...NOW WE'RE TALKIN!!!"

Spicoli
01-22-2005, 07:42 PM
To honor Bill Veeck, they could have ash trays in prosthetic legs in a smoking concourse area. It wouldn't cost much.

Maybe they could also have a barber shop, where you could get your haircut and watch the game?

shbart
01-22-2005, 08:40 PM
The one thing that bugs me the most with the current set up is the lack of baseball info. on the wrap around video screens. If I'm sitting in the LF bleachers which I often do, I love the view, but the info on the scoreboard behind me is not duplicated. Instead of having to wrench my neck and stand up every couple minutes, the video boards should dedicate the screens closes to homeplate with constant game info.! I'd like to see the line up of both teams throughout the game. Brooks & Co. should realize the more the casual fans can learn about the game, the better chance for those people to become lifelong fans. This still leaves plenty of area for the adds to run...and don't think for a minute technoology won't allow for two seperate video signals to be run on those boards. That crappy little scoreboard in the corner of RF UD with the pitch speed doesn't have enough information (ie; AB #12..who's number 12?). I was at the B.O.B. a couple years back and their video boards were inundated w/ baseball numbers...ours, almost pure advertising...stop sweating the billboards and let's get the videoboards talking baseball.

chisox77
01-22-2005, 11:37 PM
I remember thinking that when the Sox announced a few years back that there would be renovations, that the Cell could never look good - no matter what was done to it. I admit to being wrong, because I am pleasantly surprised at how affective and successful the renovations have been.

The FUNdamentals section will have a nice "sealing off" affect in the LF corner, and should look sweet as its design matches everything else. The only thing I would like to see is a right field upper deck, or home run porch. Just envision how the outfield would look (with the awesome concourse intact) with these two elevated structures that would close up the Cell in a very attractive manner, in addition to the green seats and everything else they've done.

Yet, I am happy with the Cell as it has evolved. It is a very good place to WATCH A BASEBALL GAME, and to enjoy some of the best concessions in the major leagues (the smell of food at the Cell is incredible).
:cool:

Fake Chet Lemon
01-23-2005, 02:25 AM
The Center Field diamondvision board is useless until the 9th inning (Shingu time!). It runs commericials, birthday announcements and pizza races among other things. If it's not going to teach us anything about the players, tear it down. It annoys me.

ssviland
01-23-2005, 10:27 AM
Jackie Robinson, great for the game, good that his number is retired, but he never played for the Sox and I just don't think it is necessary to put on our wall. I don't know about putting it in the ivy, maybe somewhere else, maybe on the Fundamentals area, maybe on a flagpole?

As a baseball fan, I agree. Although his importance transcends the game, he did not play for the Sox. Honor him, but not as you would a Sox alumn.

But, as a dad, I want to point out that, for the hour before the first pitch, your kids ask a lot of questions. "Who are those guys on the outfield wall?" It gives you a great oportunity to teach them something."

So, it's not bad that's there, it would just be more appropriate elsewhere.

SouthSideHitman
01-23-2005, 04:41 PM
Two words...Coors Beer.

Don't you know that sellin' Coors east of the Mississippi is bootleggin'?

Some minor things that I would like would be first of all, a permanent pitch counter. They generally switch the part of the screens denoting pitch count to MPH right around the fifth or sixth innning, right when the pitch count becomes most important. I would also agree that jazzing up the out of town scoreboard would be nice. Perhaps some LCD displays with little diamonds telling the situation. Maybe then they could update the borads more than once every half hour too.:angry: Brick exterior would be nice as well. And what happened to that proposed left field grand entrance we saw proposed a few years ago? However all these things would cost a fair amount of money, which I would rather see spent on players. These are more "what would your perfect park be like" rather than "what should absolutly be done?" type questions.

One interesting thing I've thought about to play with the boring demesions, which would be pretty cheap and easy, would be to get rid of the wall in straight away center and making the green backdrop with ivy the wall. That would reduce some of the homeruns and lead to some interesting bounces and caroms for ARow to play. Just a thought.

HerbertPerry#1
01-23-2005, 05:47 PM
I would like to see more greenery in and around the park. especially out in the parking lots. a nice row of trees every few rows of parking would be great for tailgating.

zach074
01-23-2005, 07:15 PM
Someone really should build a Mcuddys in the area, that place would be a gold mine just because of the name.

RedHeadPaleHoser
01-23-2005, 07:56 PM
Someone really should build a Mcuddys in the area, that place would be a gold mine just because of the name.


AGREED> Hey wait...I already said this!!

Max Power
01-23-2005, 08:32 PM
[QUOTE=SouthSideHitman]Some minor things that I would like would be first of all, a permanent pitch counter. They generally switch the part of the screens denoting pitch count to MPH right around the fifth or sixth innning, right when the pitch count becomes most important.
QUOTE]

They only use the pitch count for the starting pitchers. Once a reliever comes in the boards only display pitch speed.

flo-B-flo
01-23-2005, 09:30 PM
I just realized this. The scoreboard isn't actually...
a scoreboard. There aren't scores posted on it anymore. They should redo the scoreboard and make it look more like the one in old Comiskey. Yes with the Longines clock too.:smile:

SouthSideHitman
01-23-2005, 09:45 PM
They only use the pitch count for the starting pitchers. Once a reliever comes in the boards only display pitch speed.

When I've been there, they've done it before the starters were out, right as they were reaching 80-90 pitches, it always really frustrated me.

tacosalbarojas
01-23-2005, 11:26 PM
LOL. Ideally, I'd like to see the whole stadium picked up, rotated 90 degrees counterclockwise and moved north. Drop it along Clinton, between Harrison and Roosevelt.

Word!

tacosalbarojas
01-23-2005, 11:39 PM
As a baseball fan, I agree. Although his importance transcends the game, he did not play for the Sox. Honor him, but not as you would a Sox alumn.



Totally agree with the folks saying Jackie's number is out of place. We also need to find a way to honor a few of the greats from the early part of the 20th century who played numberless. How about a spot for Big Ed Walsh to start things? Ray Schalk? Heck, I'd even go all Eddie Collins on the masses.

PaleHoseGeorge
01-23-2005, 11:50 PM
Ahem...

Like numbers 2, 3, 4, 9, 11, 16, 19, and 72, the White Sox have retired 42. The wall honors the retired numbers. No Sox ballplayer will ever wear those numbers again.

If the Sox wanted to honor the greatest ballplayers in Sox history, there would be no need to limit it to just Fox, Baines, Appling, Minoso, Aparicio, Lyons, Pierce, and Fisk. There are plenty other Sox greats we could spend hours here debating deserving of the honor.

Stop whining about #42. It's not Ron Kittle's and it never will be.

ssviland
01-24-2005, 12:12 AM
Personally, I have never hated the park, and it is very nice after these renovations. Yes, I was disappointed when it was built. It was as blue as an ER facility, and I never liked symmetrical lines. But it was largely a modernized Comiskey I, sans the upper deck.

JR has hinted that more upper deck seating might come along, and the existing uipper deck seems to be built to allow an add on. Since they blew it and opened the OF to the wrong direction, why not add a RF HR porch? JR mentioned that you can't justify adding seats when the existing seats don't fill up, and he has a point. But it would give the par a more dramatic look and feel, and add excitement for those rare shots to reach the porch.

Changes or not, The Cell is a great place to take the kids. It is easy to get in and out of, it is clean, the ushers are helpful, they let you bring in your own food (in clear plastic bags since 9/11) and there is seldoma wait at the restrooms. No, my kids don't get the experience I got, so see where Luke Appling, Ted Lyons and Jim Landis played. And I miss Com I's batting cage under the seats I met Larry Doby there when he was a coach. But it is safer and clearner than when I was a kid. 25 or 30 years ago more likely than not you would have someone passing joints nearby. You can't even smoke in the seats now! The kids love the experience, and talk about the fireworks on the way to the game - and they still don't know what pot smells like (or the even worse smell of Wrigley Field.)

FightingBillini
01-24-2005, 12:45 AM
Personally, I have never hated the park, and it is very nice after these renovations. Yes, I was disappointed when it was built. It was as blue as an ER facility, and I never liked symmetrical lines. But it was largely a modernized Comiskey I, sans the upper deck.

JR has hinted that more upper deck seating might come along, and the existing uipper deck seems to be built to allow an add on. Since they blew it and opened the OF to the wrong direction, why not add a RF HR porch? JR mentioned that you can't justify adding seats when the existing seats don't fill up, and he has a point. But it would give the par a more dramatic look and feel, and add excitement for those rare shots to reach the porch.

Changes or not, The Cell is a great place to take the kids. It is easy to get in and out of, it is clean, the ushers are helpful, they let you bring in your own food (in clear plastic bags since 9/11) and there is seldoma wait at the restrooms. No, my kids don't get the experience I got, so see where Luke Appling, Ted Lyons and Jim Landis played. And I miss Com I's batting cage under the seats I met Larry Doby there when he was a coach. But it is safer and clearner than when I was a kid. 25 or 30 years ago more likely than not you would have someone passing joints nearby. You can't even smoke in the seats now! The kids love the experience, and talk about the fireworks on the way to the game - and they still don't know what pot smells like (or the even worse smell of Wrigley Field.)

I agree mostly with what you said, although I am not old enough to remember Old Comiskey. I didn't know that Reinsdorf ever hinted at more upper deck seating. Do you have a source on this? Anyway, I have heard rumors on this board and elsewhere that they were considering eliminating the top row of skyboxes and extending the upper deck. This would be a great idea. The top row of skyboxes are almost never used (they weren't even full for the all-star game). That is space that could be put to a better use. If they extended the upper deck downwards to where the top row of skyboxes is now, they could add another 5 or so rows. This would greatly change the outlook of the upper deck. Since the upperdeck is now shorter, they would be able to decrease the rake slightly, or make it less steep. That could be done by adding a few inches of concrete onto all of the risers and extending them outwards (obviously, it would be more complicated than it sounds). They would then be able to build small ramps going from the concourse into each of the entrances, and raise the entryways a couple of feet. This would add more seats under the entries, and take away a few higher seats.

The worst parts of the upper deck are 1) there is no overhang over the lower decks. 2) the entries are at the bottom of the decks. Both of those together add to the (mis)conception of steepness. Newer parks have UDs as steep or moreso, but they seem less so because they overhang and the entries are in the middle instead of at the bottom. People hate our upperdeck because it looks steep and because they are told its steep. Not only would this solution create more seats (which would sell out at very least a few games a year), it would add BETTER seats, increasing the intimacy of the park. It would greatly improve the appearance of the upperdeck, which would change the public views on the upperdeck, and could help improve attendance. I think if cheap people thought there were better seats in the upperdeck, they would go to more games because they would have a better view and wouldn't spend money otherwise for better seats.

santo=dorf
01-24-2005, 12:55 AM
Ahem...

Like numbers 2, 3, 4, 9, 11, 16, 19, and 72, the White Sox have retired 42.

The MLB retired #42, it wasn't the Sox decision. The Sox should make #42 standout from the other numbers they retired in White Sox history (and no, I don't considering #42 standing out on the wall because it comes after the #72.)

Lem_Siddons
01-24-2005, 11:09 AM
Hang a World Series Banner for 2005. The rest doesn't matter.

Baby Fisk
01-24-2005, 12:35 PM
Removing ALL of the Billboards. They look Terrible, Obtrusive,
and Out-Of-Scale. Putting something CREATIVE (see SF with Coke Bottle)
is a beginning (another idea for you Brooks).


Sorry if I missed this elsewhere in the thread, but Hangar once proposed a gigantic pint glass of Guinness for LF. Huge, massive, very black and tasty looking. Since that's now the fundamentals area, put the pint glass in RF instead (to balance the "kiddies vs grownups" look of the outfield concourse). I still like this idea.

PaleHoseGeorge
01-24-2005, 01:52 PM
The MLB retired #42, it wasn't the Sox decision. The Sox should make #42 standout from the other numbers they retired in White Sox history (and no, I don't considering #42 standing out on the wall because it comes after the #72.)

Now I'm confused. What exactly are you advocating here? #42 has been retired by all MLB teams... including the White Sox. What's your beef?
:?:

santo=dorf
01-24-2005, 01:54 PM
Now I'm confused. What exactly are you advocating here? #42 has been retired by all MLB teams... including the White Sox. What's your beef?
:?:

They shouldn't make #42 "Just another retired number." They should give the number its own spot and put the number in Dodger Blue.

ewokpelts
01-24-2005, 05:11 PM
I agree mostly with what you said, although I am not old enough to remember Old Comiskey. I didn't know that Reinsdorf ever hinted at more upper deck seating. Do you have a source on this? Anyway, I have heard rumors on this board and elsewhere that they were considering eliminating the top row of skyboxes and extending the upper deck. This would be a great idea. The top row of skyboxes are almost never used (they weren't even full for the all-star game). That is space that could be put to a better use. If they extended the upper deck downwards to where the top row of skyboxes is now, they could add another 5 or so rows. This would greatly change the outlook of the upper deck. Since the upperdeck is now shorter, they would be able to decrease the rake slightly, or make it less steep. That could be done by adding a few inches of concrete onto all of the risers and extending them outwards (obviously, it would be more complicated than it sounds). They would then be able to build small ramps going from the concourse into each of the entrances, and raise the entryways a couple of feet. This would add more seats under the entries, and take away a few higher seats.

The worst parts of the upper deck are 1) there is no overhang over the lower decks. 2) the entries are at the bottom of the decks. Both of those together add to the (mis)conception of steepness. Newer parks have UDs as steep or moreso, but they seem less so because they overhang and the entries are in the middle instead of at the bottom. People hate our upperdeck because it looks steep and because they are told its steep. Not only would this solution create more seats (which would sell out at very least a few games a year), it would add BETTER seats, increasing the intimacy of the park. It would greatly improve the appearance of the upperdeck, which would change the public views on the upperdeck, and could help improve attendance. I think if cheap people thought there were better seats in the upperdeck, they would go to more games because they would have a better view and wouldn't spend money otherwise for better seats.
your idea is structurally impossible....you have to tear off the ENTIRE upper deck to acomplish this...might as well knock teh whole park down...
Gene

ewokpelts
01-24-2005, 05:12 PM
The one thing that bugs me the most with the current set up is the lack of baseball info. on the wrap around video screens. If I'm sitting in the LF bleachers which I often do, I love the view, but the info on the scoreboard behind me is not duplicated. Instead of having to wrench my neck and stand up every couple minutes, the video boards should dedicate the screens closes to homeplate with constant game info.! I'd like to see the line up of both teams throughout the game. Brooks & Co. should realize the more the casual fans can learn about the game, the better chance for those people to become lifelong fans. This still leaves plenty of area for the adds to run...and don't think for a minute technoology won't allow for two seperate video signals to be run on those boards. That crappy little scoreboard in the corner of RF UD with the pitch speed doesn't have enough information (ie; AB #12..who's number 12?). I was at the B.O.B. a couple years back and their video boards were inundated w/ baseball numbers...ours, almost pure advertising...stop sweating the billboards and let's get the videoboards talking baseball.
Brooks answered this at Soxfest.....there will be changes...
Gene

ewokpelts
01-24-2005, 05:16 PM
This is how I want the cell to be when rennovations are done.....I want a grand entrance in left, and a second deck in the right fiield seats...pic courtesy of Hangar18 and HKS sports
Gene

FightingBillini
01-24-2005, 05:47 PM
your idea is structurally impossible....you have to tear off the ENTIRE upper deck to acomplish this...might as well knock teh whole park down...
Gene

No, its not impossible. All they would have to do is tear out the skyboxes and build downwards from the upperdeck. That is nowhere near impossible. The additional part of the upperdeck, which would probably go as far out as the 300 level, wouldn't be much heavier than the skyboxes are now. Its not like they would extend it out far enough to cover half of the lower level seats.

PaleHoseGeorge
01-24-2005, 05:51 PM
No, its not impossible. All they would have to do is tear out the skyboxes and build downwards from the upperdeck. That is nowhere near impossible. ...

I just knew WSI would eventually uncover a Sox Fan who was in love with obstructed view seats. May I suggest watching the game on TV with your dog seated in front of the set... it's a whole lot cheaper and accomplishes the same thing as your "not impossible" plan.
:cool:

santo=dorf
01-24-2005, 05:52 PM
All they would have to do is tear out the skyboxes and build downwards from the upperdeck.

:reinsy
*faints*

FightingBillini
01-24-2005, 05:56 PM
I just knew WSI would eventually uncover a Sox Fan who was in love with obstructed view seats. May I suggest watching the game on TV with your dog seated in front of the set... it's a whole lot cheaper and accomplishes the same thing as your "not impossible" plan.
:cool:

No posts would be needed. The expanded upper deck would stick out as much as the 300 level, not more. Are there any obstructed view seats due to the mezzanine level? Do they need posts to hold it up like they do for the roof? Who's view would this new upper deck obstruct?

FightingBillini
01-24-2005, 05:58 PM
:reinsy
*faints*

As I said before, it has been rumored they were going to convert the upper skyboxes to another use. They never sell them anyway. The upper level was half empty even for the all-star game.

GregoryEtc
01-24-2005, 06:01 PM
As I said before, it has been rumored they were going to convert the upper skyboxes to another use. They never sell them anyway. The upper level was half empty even for the all-star game.

Maybe they could turn them into hotel rooms... Just a thought....

PaleHoseGeorge
01-24-2005, 06:02 PM
No posts would be needed. The expanded upper deck would stick out as much as the 300 level, not more. Are there any obstructed view seats due to the mezzanine level? Do they need posts to hold it up like they do for the roof? Who's view would this new upper deck obstruct?

Yes, there would be posts the full length of the lower deck. Not less than 1 per section in the aisles and seats of the LD. The more rows of seats you add in the front of the newly expanded UD, the more posts you'll need and the closer together they will all become... not to mention the increased number of LD seats located beneath the new UD and the resulting number of obstructed views. Great idea... on top of being prohibitively expensive to implement, too.

I'm nostalgic for Old Comiskey too, but not thaaat much.
:cool:

http://flyingsock.com/OldComiskey/images/comiskey27.jpg

FightingBillini
01-24-2005, 06:11 PM
Yes, there would be posts the full length of the lower deck. Not less than 1 per section in the aisles and seats of the LD. The more rows of seats you add in the front of the newly expanded UD, the more posts you'll need and the closer together they will all become... not to mention the increased number of LD seats located beneath the new UD and the resulting number of obstructed views. Great idea... on top of being prohibitively expensive to implement, too.

I'm nostalgic for Old Comiskey too, but not thaaat much.
:cool:

http://flyingsock.com/OldComiskey/images/comiskey27.jpg

Once again, are there any posts holding up the 300 level? No. It would basically be adding another deck like the 300 level, accept it would connect flush with the upper deck. The current upperdeck supports itself because it is set over the concourse. The 300 level overhangs the lower deck, but doesn't have support posts. How would this be any different? Why is the 300 level supported without posts, but an overhang the same size above it wouldn't be? You seem to be misunderstanding me, because I am talking about adding 3 or 5 rows, and only covering the vertical area the upper skyboxes cover now. Im not saying they should have a 50 foot overhang.

I want Mags back
01-24-2005, 06:14 PM
A regular analog clock where the Mickey D's ad currently is (center atop the scoreboard). The digital clock on the bottom left of the board is now blocked to just about all seats by the Fan Deck.



Yea. Im kinda sick of ads in the very top of the board. Thats like the center of the entire park. A Sox logo should be there. Analog clock is too much like Wrigley.

steff
01-24-2005, 06:14 PM
As I said before, it has been rumored they were going to convert the upper skyboxes to another use. They never sell them anyway. The upper level was half empty even for the all-star game.


Half of the upper level of what..? All of the boxes but the last one next to the Stadium Club was filled for the HR Derby and the AS game. That's where the MLB reps & guests that weren't sitting behind home plate were.

PaleHoseGeorge
01-24-2005, 06:23 PM
Once again, are there any posts holding up the 300 level? No. It would basically be adding another deck like the 300 level, accept it would connect flush with the upper deck. The current upperdeck supports itself because it is set over the concourse. The 300 level overhangs the lower deck, but doesn't have support posts. How would this be any different? Why is the 300 level supported without posts, but an overhang the same size above it wouldn't be? You seem to be misunderstanding me, because I am talking about adding 3 or 5 rows, and only covering the vertical area the upper skyboxes cover now. Im not saying they should have a 50 foot overhang.

You can't defy the law of physics or gravity. There is no such thing as "flying concrete."

The posts holding up the 300 level are all BEHIND the seats because New Sox Park has terraced seating, i.e. the upper decks are behind the lower decks. The ballpark is filled with posts but none of them obstruct the view of the playing field. That's the whole point of terraced seating!

Old Comiskey (and ballparks of its vintage) were filled with obstructed view LD seating for the EXACT SAME REASON you're advocating them here: to make the UD seats better to watch the game.

You can't have it both ways. Either you add posts in the LD or you keep the UD right where it is. And once again I must note the cost of all this demolition and reconstruction would be ridiculously expensive compared to the price of simply starting fresh with a whole new ballpark.

FightingBillini
01-24-2005, 06:23 PM
Half of the upper level of what..? All of the boxes but the last one next to the Stadium Club was filled for the HR Derby and the AS game. That's where the MLB reps & guests that weren't sitting behind home plate were.

It may have been a false report, but I remember reading that the 400 level, the top level of luxury suites are almost never used, and that they weren't even full for the All-Star Game. I believe it was ESPN in another one of their "The Cubs are God, Reinsdorf is stupid and his stadium is worse than the Metrodome" pieces, so it might not be true. However, I have heard from many that most of those top skyboxes are seldom used. Also, with the new Scout Seats, they may be displacing the people who were in the upper skyboxes.

I want Mags back
01-24-2005, 06:23 PM
Even at Yankee Stadium? I know Rivera stills wears 42.

Rivera and Mo Vaughn are the only players permitted by the league to wear it, since they had before '97

I want Mags back
01-24-2005, 06:27 PM
The idea of all American and perhaps National league team flags in the concourse or connected the the outfield scafolds would be nice.

NO NATIONAL LEAGUE TEAMS

THE FLUBS DONT HAVE AL, why sholud we

FightingBillini
01-24-2005, 06:28 PM
You can't defy the law of physics or gravity. There is no such thing as "flying concrete."

The posts holding up the 300 level are all BEHIND the seats because New Sox Park has terraced seating, i.e. the upper decks are behind the lower decks. The ballpark is filled with posts but none of them obstruct the view of the playing field. That's the whole point of terraced seating!

Old Comiskey (and ballparks of its vintage) were filled with obstructed view LD seating for the EXACT SAME REASON you're advocating them here: to make the UD seats better to watch the game.

You can't have it both ways. Either you add posts in the LD or you keep the UD right where it is. And once again I must note the cost of all this demolition and reconstruction would be ridiculously expensive compared to the price of simply starting fresh with a whole new ballpark.

Ok, I understand that. The point is, its not like they are drilling through concrete to put up support posts. The support posts would be going through the current skyboxes. I haven't been in them, but I would assume its a mostly open area. There wouldn't be too much in there other than a bar and some seats. I believe they would be able to run the supports through that area, and anchor them against the main supports for the stadium. Then the current skyboxes would be fill in with concrete and the extension of the upperdeck would be built upon the supports. I know it might be pricey, but its not like there is any demolition involved.

I want Mags back
01-24-2005, 06:41 PM
Ok so here's my rendering of what the Cell would look like with the upper deck extending to right field. Now it's not perfect, and not exactly to scale but it is pretty close. Also, thanks to GregoryEtc. for the help.:D:

That looks amazing. I like how u moved the outof town Board to right center because of it. nice job w/ the pic.

I want Mags back
01-24-2005, 06:54 PM
This is how I want the cell to be when rennovations are done.....I want a grand entrance in left, and a second deck in the right fiield seats...pic courtesy of Hangar18 and HKS sports
Gene

LEFT FIELD SHOULDN'T HAVE A GRAND ENTRANCE. THE ADDRESS IS 35TH AND SHEILDS, BEHIND HOMEPLATE

FightingBillini
01-24-2005, 07:02 PM
LEFT FIELD SHOULDN'T HAVE A GRAND ENTRANCE. THE ADDRESS IS 35TH AND SHEILDS, BEHIND HOMEPLATE

Thank you. I would like if they did something in left field, but they need a grand entrance behind home plate. It should be the focal point of the park, as it is in all great parks. We need a big, grand main entrance with a marquee that says "US CELLULAR FIELD - HOME OF THE WHITE SOX". It should be a public entrance, unlike the current entrance which is only for team personel, and it should look like the one at old Comiskey. I want something they can show on postcards.

zach074
01-24-2005, 07:30 PM
AGREED> Hey wait...I already said this!!

You want it in the stadium i dont.

ewokpelts
01-24-2005, 07:46 PM
Thank you. I would like if they did something in left field, but they need a grand entrance behind home plate. It should be the focal point of the park, as it is in all great parks. We need a big, grand main entrance with a marquee that says "US CELLULAR FIELD - HOME OF THE WHITE SOX". It should be a public entrance, unlike the current entrance which is only for team personel, and it should look like the one at old Comiskey. I want something they can show on postcards.
they cant...the team office entrance is at gate 4..it wasnt designed for a grand entrance....BUT you can retrofit the left field area for one....it's a smart move, since that area is right off the train stop...it sucks to take the train to teh ballpark cuz you have to walk FURTHER to get to an open gate(gate 6 is exit only).....plus, as henry pointed out, you can have year round retail operations right off the train and expressway.....this is a smarter idea when you realize that the sox are in the planning stages of opening teh parking lots for commuters
Gene

ewokpelts
01-24-2005, 07:57 PM
I hope you don't mind, I've taken your idea a little further...
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=2414

:reinsy
"ahhh...NOW WE'RE TALKIN!!!"

:dollarbill:
It'll be even better if we can get ads ON THE FIELD...we got that at hawks games...

Gene

FightingBillini
01-24-2005, 08:34 PM
they cant...the team office entrance is at gate 4..it wasnt designed for a grand entrance....BUT you can retrofit the left field area for one....it's a smart move, since that area is right off the train stop...it sucks to take the train to teh ballpark cuz you have to walk FURTHER to get to an open gate(gate 6 is exit only).....plus, as henry pointed out, you can have year round retail operations right off the train and expressway.....this is a smarter idea when you realize that the sox are in the planning stages of opening teh parking lots for commuters
Gene

I know, but they have talked about moving team offices into another building, possibly outside of left field. That would also vacate enough room for them to move the ramps inside. they would be able to make a grand public entrance if that happened. A win-win situation.

I do, however agree that they should do something in the left field corner. It just shouldn't be the main entrance. The park is down right ugly behind homeplate, something needs to be done there. All great parks have a grand entrance behind homeplate.

ewokpelts
01-24-2005, 09:48 PM
I know, but they have talked about moving team offices into another building, possibly outside of left field. That would also vacate enough room for them to move the ramps inside. they would be able to make a grand public entrance if that happened. A win-win situation.

I do, however agree that they should do something in the left field corner. It just shouldn't be the main entrance. The park is down right ugly behind homeplate, something needs to be done there. All great parks have a grand entrance behind homeplate.
Well,
It's too late to make any kind of entrance at gate 4...the scout seats ate all teh room in there, as well as the conference and learning center...sides....how coud people get into the park that way.....especially if you're a ud ticket holder...
Gene

bahn1225
01-24-2005, 10:07 PM
Analog clock is too much like Wrigley.

That's just poor thinking.
That would be akin to saying SOX park should go back to an AstroTurf infield because cubs park has real grass!
A real clock belongs in our real park.
Besides, most cubs fan only know how to tell time on a digital clock.:D:

cubhater77
01-25-2005, 10:58 PM
bring back a copy of the veek exploding scoreboard. have the replayboard in right, and see if they can put a retractable roof over the place and it would be perfect.

Gosox1917
01-25-2005, 11:04 PM
A retractable roof would be the best thing in the world for April and May, unfortunately I don't see it happening to for the Sox until they have to build a new stadium in about 70 years.

FARMEO
01-25-2005, 11:24 PM
I would put the score back on the main scoreboard. Right now there is a giant TV with pin wheels in center field. I am concerned that the new "playpen" will block the view of the scoreboard in left field.

Gosox1917
01-25-2005, 11:29 PM
I would put the score back on the main scoreboard. Right now there is a giant TV with pin wheels in center field. I am concerned that the new "playpen" will block the view of the scoreboard in left field.

Good point. I hadn't thought about that, remind me not to buy tix near the left field corner.

pinwheels3530
01-26-2005, 03:37 AM
Maybe they could turn them into hotel rooms... Just a thought....


May I suggest a open air Hooters on one side and a TGI Friday's on the other side, and they should be accessible to all fans

RavenswoodFan
01-28-2005, 12:01 AM
Ok i'd turn it around so it would have downtown in the background... take those lame leftfield/rightfield upper deck seats way down the line and put an upper deck in right or left.....Give some odd dimensions it's just to plain now, somehting like Ballpark in Arrlington would be sweet (that was actually the original blueprints but was rejected.)



I've always thought this would be a much cooler look!:)

Gosox1917
02-01-2005, 08:44 PM
Sorry to bring up an old thread mods, but I didn't want to start a whole new one on something that wasn't hugely important. I was just wondering if the upperdeck had tv's for those that sit way up at the top and get stuck behind the poles. I've been up there once but was in the fifth row or so and didn't bother to get up and look back there. If not, I think that tv's would be a near necessity for those fans who get stuck behind one of those poles, even if it is way up in the UD.

anewman35
02-01-2005, 08:53 PM
Sorry to bring up an old thread mods, but I didn't want to start a whole new one on something that wasn't hugely important. I was just wondering if the upperdeck had tv's for those that sit way up at the top and get stuck behind the poles. I've been up there once but was in the fifth row or so and didn't bother to get up and look back there. If not, I think that tv's would be a near necessity for those fans who get stuck behind one of those poles, even if it is way up in the UD.

No, it doesn't. But, it's so high up, and the poles are in the aisles, so nobody will ever get stuck directly behind a pole - a person could just move their head a bit and should be able to see the entire field. I think TVs are completly unnecessary.

ewokpelts
02-01-2005, 11:54 PM
No, it doesn't. But, it's so high up, and the poles are in the aisles, so nobody will ever get stuck directly behind a pole - a person could just move their head a bit and should be able to see the entire field. I think TVs are completly unnecessary.
they have them at wrigley, and thier seats are LOWER than comiskeys...
Gene

bahn1225
02-02-2005, 12:01 AM
The TVs I've seen at Wrigley are in the lower deck where, after they installed their mini sky boxes,
the rear rows are all obstructive views.

The boxes hang down so far you can't see the outfield.:o:

popilius
02-02-2005, 12:19 AM
Ok i'd turn it around so it would have downtown in the background... take those lame leftfield/rightfield upper deck seats way down the line and put an upper deck in right or left.....Give some odd dimensions it's just to plain now, somehting like Ballpark in Arrlington would be sweet (that was actually the original blueprints but was rejected.)



I've always thought this would be a much cooler look!:)

Can someone answer this: if facing downtown is such a self-evident, clearly good idea, WHY ISN'T IT FACING DOWNTOWN?Here's my question: how would the sun affect outfielders during the day if the park were turned around? :gulp:

Shorty1983
02-02-2005, 02:30 AM
Our ballpark is just fine.

At least we don't have to worry about concrete falling on our heads. Hardhats anyone?

BigHurt359300
02-02-2005, 06:23 PM
Less idiot Cub Fans showing up at our games.....

mweflen
02-02-2005, 06:25 PM
turn it so it faces downtown again, a la old comiskey. a real knucklehead decision to face it towards the PJs...

Parrothead
02-02-2005, 07:10 PM
Maybe some high profile seats behind the plate where the price includes everything and how about a kids area.

FightingBillini
02-02-2005, 07:14 PM
People, People...

While I agree that it would be great if the park faced downtown, it was built, and it can't be changed. It is physically impossible to rotate building that massive 100 degrees. I can't be done, so stop fantasizing about it. Im sure the next park this franchise builds will face downtown.

SoxBoy14
02-02-2005, 07:16 PM
People, People...

While I agree that it would be great if the park faced downtown, it was built, and it can't be changed. It is physically impossible to rotate building that massive 100 degrees. I can't be done, so stop fantasizing about it. Im sure the next park this franchise builds will face downtown.

If we can't move the park then we have no choice but to move the city!!!

chisoxmike
02-02-2005, 08:13 PM
I think a walkway above ground along the outfield concorse against the ads would be cool.

Think of it as a fan deck walkway kind of thing. You could put some benches here and there but mostly so people can walk through the outfield with no consessions.

dungball
02-02-2005, 11:34 PM
anyone remember the old banners that hung from the roof with the names of those who hit roof shots? ruth, gehrig and others. i loved looking at those when i was a kid. maybe they could somehow stamp the concourse concrete in the spot where any huge homerun was hit with the players name. kids could then look in at home and check out how far the ball was hit

whitesoxwilkes
02-02-2005, 11:43 PM
maybe they could somehow stamp the concourse concrete in the spot where any huge homerun was hit with the players name. kids could then look in at home and check out how far the ball was hit

Great idea, but alas...the Orioles have already done this at Camden.

Rush20
02-02-2005, 11:46 PM
After reviewing the Green Seat Roll-Out for 2005, am I the only one wondering why the lower deck and right field won't be worked this season? Could it be it's because the SOX plan to shift the seats in the lower deck so that they face home plate vs. straight across and that would take an off-season to accomplish? Also, could right field be delayed due to a potential upper deck?

Hmmmm....

ewokpelts
02-03-2005, 12:58 AM
After reviewing the Green Seat Roll-Out for 2005, am I the only one wondering why the lower deck and right field won't be worked this season? Could it be it's because the SOX plan to shift the seats in the lower deck so that they face home plate vs. straight across and that would take an off-season to accomplish? Also, could right field be delayed due to a potential upper deck?

Hmmmm....
since people will want to sit in green seats...why not put them in the spot where no one sits...maybe get some tickets sold up there
Gene

FightingBillini
02-03-2005, 01:24 AM
since people will want to sit in green seats...why not put them in the spot where no one sits...maybe get some tickets sold up there
Gene

Yeah, the lower bowl always sells. The reason they are installing them in the upperdeck corners and in left field first is so the empty seats on TV (and there will be some empty ones for at least the first couple of months) will be green. Green is a neutral color, unlike that blue. When you see green seats in the background, they just kinda blend in. When you see blue seats in the background, they scream "look at us, we're empty!"

mweflen
02-03-2005, 10:35 AM
Maybe the upper deck seats ought to be padded and heated, too, to increase business. :redneck

Rush20
02-03-2005, 04:32 PM
I still think the SOX brass are going to roll out the final 2006 rennovations with a big blast - meaning something big. Hopefully it will be a home run deck in RF and a new grand entrance facing the Dan Ryan. The SOX really need to advertise the park and team better and what better way than to utilize their own real estate. How many cars drive by each day?! I really believe an inviting grand entrance would help sell to the casual baseball fan. Us die-hards go regardless, however marketing's job is to sell the experience to non die-hards. Hopefully a few of them will then come over to the "Dark Side" - "Sith Happens"...:D:

FightingBillini
02-03-2005, 04:55 PM
I still think the SOX brass are going to roll out the final 2006 rennovations with a big blast - meaning something big. Hopefully it will be a home run deck in RF and a new grand entrance facing the Dan Ryan. The SOX really need to advertise the park and team better and what better way than to utilize their own real estate. How many cars drive by each day?! I really believe an inviting grand entrance would help sell to the casual baseball fan. Us die-hards go regardless, however marketing's job is to sell the experience to non die-hards. Hopefully a few of them will then come over to the "Dark Side" - "Sith Happens"...:D:

I agree. When They started these different "phases" of renovations, they said phase V would be complete and there would be a "all new US Cellular Field" in 2005. Obviously, they wont be done by this season. However, they are still planning more renovations for next year. Brooks said before there are just so many ideas for all these different things they could do, but they have to narrow it down. I think there will be more big changes coming, though the only thing that could possibly improve the look of the park as much as the new upper deck did would be to add a brick exterior and a grand entrance behind homeplate.

People say "nothing more will be done, the US Cellular money is spent up." That may or may not be true, but I dont think it will stop the Sox. Reinsdorf spent a lot of his own money in 2000 and 2001 to improve the park. Think of it this way. The payroll next year will probably be around $75-80million. For as little as a one time $20mil payout, they came make a drastic change to the park. If JR finds a renovation he likes, and thinks it will draw more fans, creating more money for him in the long run, he will pay for it himself. For instance:

I can only hope the new seats are bigger than the blue ones. They should be larger, reducing the number of guts next to me that hang over my seat, and the number of seats my gut hangs over:D: . If the seats are wider, that would reduce the capacity of the park by several hundred to 1,000. That might influence them to add a new seating area over the right field concourse. Remeber, no matter how much the Sox suck in any given season, there will be at least 4 games that sell out. I would like the entrace/giftshop/HOF in the left field corner. I would also LOVE if they got rid of the outdoor ramps. However, the worst part of the park in my opinion is the team personel entrance behind homeplate. They need to build there and convert that to a grand entrance for the FANS. We hav all heard they are planning to move team HQ to a different building. The Scout Seat buffet room will take up space behind home, but there would still be enough room to build a grand entrance. Especially if they build it outwards, like the current team entrance behind home is.

mweflen
02-03-2005, 04:57 PM
I still think the SOX brass are going to roll out the final 2006 rennovations with a big blast - meaning something big. Hopefully it will be a home run deck in RF and a new grand entrance facing the Dan Ryan. The SOX really need to advertise the park and team better and what better way than to utilize their own real estate. How many cars drive by each day?! I really believe an inviting grand entrance would help sell to the casual baseball fan. Us die-hards go regardless, however marketing's job is to sell the experience to non die-hards. Hopefully a few of them will then come over to the "Dark Side" - "Sith Happens"...:D:

I agree with these sentiments.

Some sort of neighborhood feature along Wentworth would be an interesting thing - shops, bars, a restaurant, (some Maxwell Street-Style polish sausages?) and a grand entrance. A mini HOF would be nice, too, to educate fans about past Sox greats (similar to the murals on the Club level).

It would be nice and make the area a little more of a destination. Boston and Baltimore have closed off streets in front of or adjacent to their parks.

Parrothead
02-03-2005, 09:07 PM
Maybe I am nuts but why do people want a grand entrance? I don't get it. Who cares what you walk through to get into a park as long as you get in? I personally would get rid of the ivy that is growing on the outside walls.

ewokpelts
02-04-2005, 12:11 AM
Maybe I am nuts but why do people want a grand entrance? I don't get it. Who cares what you walk through to get into a park as long as you get in? I personally would get rid of the ivy that is growing on the outside walls.it's not for us..it's for fickle casual fans...and people that take the train to the game that have to walk two blocks to get to an entrance...one less than half a block away is better.....plus, if it's year round facilty, the team can generate more reveune in the offseason and on road trips...think miller park's "hot corner"
Gene

Rush20
02-04-2005, 03:49 PM
Maybe I am nuts but why do people want a grand entrance? I don't get it. Who cares what you walk through to get into a park as long as you get in? I personally would get rid of the ivy that is growing on the outside walls.

Mostly it's needed to market the team. Notice how many times the "Wrigley Field" Red sign is used in Cubs marketing, etc.

Most of us on this board would go to SOX games if they played in a cow pasture. However, a Grand Entrance that would be seen everyday from the Dan Ryan would IMO help sell the team/ballpark experience to the casual fan and city visitor. Add a year-round restaurant/Hall Of Fame Shop, etc, and it could mean additional revenue for the team.

It would be icing on the "rennovation cake" IMO. :redface:

mweflen
02-04-2005, 04:14 PM
I for one know I would visit a Sox-themed restaurant/museum/gift shop once or twice per offseason. I think it's a no-brainer. They coulr curtail the hours in the offseason to reduce operating costs of course - but a row of restaurants, shops and a Sox HOF/Grand entrance along Wentworth would be GREAT.

Maybe I should email Brooks...:rolleyes:

:tomatoaward:tomatoaward

dorsai23
02-04-2005, 05:30 PM
I have often thought that the steepness of the upper deck would be less intimidating if there were railings in each row behind the seat

MrRoboto83
02-04-2005, 05:51 PM
Replacing all polish sausage with tofu sausage

mweflen
02-04-2005, 05:54 PM
Replacing all polish sausage with tofu sausage
:tealpolice:

mweflen
02-04-2005, 05:56 PM
I have often thought that the steepness of the upper deck would be less intimidating if there were railings in each row behind the seat

:welcome:

This is an interesting idea, because it reminds me of the box seats at old Comiskey (among other older parks, I believe Milwaukee County Stadium had these also).

However, I don't think there is enough room by a long shot - even a person of normal height has their feet flush against the seat in front of him/her in the UD.
---
In the vein of the Wentworth Arcade idea, some sort of ground level fundamentals with a stairway to the interior platform would be a great addition. This is another thing which could go all year round, and tie into little league instruction activities at the diamond across from lot B.

MrRoboto83
02-04-2005, 06:01 PM
:welcome:

This is an interesting idea, because it reminds me of the box seats at old Comiskey (among other older parks, I believe Milwaukee County Stadium had these also).

However, I don't think there is enough room by a long shot - even a person of normal height has their feet flush against the seat in front of him/her in the UD.

Isn't Shea Stadium this way??

mweflen
02-04-2005, 06:03 PM
Isn't Shea Stadium this way??

The LD at Shea definitely is. See:

http://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/nl/shea707.jpg

The UD is hard to tell from the photos I can see:

http://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/nl/shea742.jpg

BTW, for all Comiskey UD haters... look how far away those Shea UD seats are! Personally, I've always liked the view from the first few rows of our UD. Sure, it would be nice if they had one less level of skyboxes, making it all lower.... but all in all not terrible seats. The OF corners of the UD on the other hand...

jerry myers
02-04-2005, 06:07 PM
I always love goodlooking cheering ladies to keep things exciting.

MrRoboto83
02-04-2005, 06:07 PM
BTW, for all Comiskey UD haters... look how far away those Shea UD seats are! Personally, I've always liked the view from the first few rows of our UD. Sure, it would be nice if they had one less level of skyboxes, making it all lower.... but all in all not terrible seats. The OF corners of the UD on the other hand...

I have heard that Shea is an absolute dump

npdempse
02-04-2005, 06:08 PM
If we can't move the park then we have no choice but to move the city!!!

This isn't far from reality. A lot of the high rise CHA buildings are already gone, and a great deal of nice new developments should be within view of the park in the relatively near future, if development patterns bear out.

MrRoboto83
02-04-2005, 06:14 PM
This isn't far from reality. A lot of the high rise CHA buildings are already gone, and a great deal of nice new developments should be within view of the park in the relatively near future, if development patterns bear out.


:windsock:
"you mean the hell hole won't be so hellish anymore?"

Hangar18
02-04-2005, 08:14 PM
Did anyone mention Tearing those Kennedy Expressway Sized Billboards down? if they did, never mind, heh heh.

On a side note though...
if all the billboards were torn down, and the park was left "open", I wonder
what it would do to balls hit to the outfield.

Hangar18
02-04-2005, 08:18 PM
it would be nice if they had one less level of skyboxes, making it all lower.....




:reinsy (*coughs*chokes*coughs*choking) Please tell me your
Kidding. Mweflen is kidding me.... right guys?

Parrothead
02-05-2005, 06:56 PM
Mostly it's needed to market the team. Notice how many times the "Wrigley Field" Red sign is used in Cubs marketing, etc.

Most of us on this board would go to SOX games if they played in a cow pasture. However, a Grand Entrance that would be seen everyday from the Dan Ryan would IMO help sell the team/ballpark experience to the casual fan and city visitor. Add a year-round restaurant/Hall Of Fame Shop, etc, and it could mean additional revenue for the team.

It would be icing on the "rennovation cake" IMO. :redface:

There is an entrance on the third base side already. So you have to walk 500 feet further. Although since they are building the fundementals area, maybe they will build an entrance too.

The Wrigley sign is on the side not on the front. Maybe we need to get a sign too.

ode to veeck
02-05-2005, 07:07 PM
Build a new McCuddy's and O'Brian's across 35th street

Ishmookie
02-05-2005, 07:15 PM
I'd get rid of the ads, and add the hr porch in right. If I had the money I'd then add some bricks on the exterior of the stadium and top it off with some flags....basically id combine what everybody else said and that would look great.

BigFrankRetard
02-06-2005, 12:08 PM
I'd get rid of the ads, and add the hr porch in right. If I had the money I'd then add some bricks on the exterior of the stadium and top it off with some flags....basically id combine what everybody else said and that would look great.

Good suggestion, but it's probably not financially-feasible at this point. I think they've done a hell of a job transforming a rather dull place into a legitimately "good" ballpark. I'm not even bothered about the new corporate name, as "Comiskey Park" will always be the old ballpark to me.

Stroker Ace
02-13-2005, 04:59 AM
Absolutely noting.

SouthBendSox
02-19-2005, 01:19 AM
wine

KnuckleSox1
02-19-2005, 05:18 PM
Absolutely noting.

That is what I was going to say.

Joosh
02-19-2005, 08:15 PM
This is probably a pipe dream, but what about adding a Hotel flush with the end of the Stadium Club and Upper Deck? it could be designed any way you like, and offer Patio views of the Field

PIZZA PHIL
02-21-2005, 11:31 AM
How about bringing back all those cool sound effects that came from the board in the 60's and early 70's. The sirens, fighter bombers, music, etc. And while you are at it REAL FIREWORKS too. None of this cheap Jerryworks stuff. You remember, the loud ones that would knock you out of bed, even if you lived miles away!


[QUOTE=Hangar18]Removing ALL of the Billboards. They look Terrible, Obtrusive,
and Out-Of-Scale. Putting something CREATIVE (see SF with Coke Bottle)
is a beginning (another idea for you Brooks).



Replace the Glorified-Billboard-with-Fireworks-Lights with a Scoreboard
that looks like the one from 1977, and put THE CLOCK back on top.

since your replacing the Billboard, find the 2 missing Pinwheels and put
them back on the new board while your at it.

Whitesox029
02-21-2005, 01:34 PM
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/winningugly/showerhead.GIF
I don't think this thread has one of these yet.

BainesHOF
02-21-2005, 03:08 PM
The one thing that bugs me the most with the current set up is the lack of baseball info. on the wrap around video screens. If I'm sitting in the LF bleachers which I often do, I love the view, but the info on the scoreboard behind me is not duplicated. Instead of having to wrench my neck and stand up every couple minutes, the video boards should dedicate the screens closes to homeplate with constant game info.!

You are exactly right. This needs to be done IMMEDIATELY.

SoxFan78
02-21-2005, 03:43 PM
Show the White Sox welcome showings on the LF score board only between innings. I would much rather see what big Frank did during his AB's in the 1st, 3rd, and 6th innings rather then having the White Sox welcome Boy Scout Troop #34 to the ballpark.

Bucky F. Dent
02-21-2005, 04:14 PM
Tearing down the Cell and rebuilding the old one is not an option.


But, when I think of the new stadium, it's still the first thing that I think of.

I know, I know, I need to get over this but for the love of God they tore down a cathedral and put up a shopping mall.

Where's my prozac!

mweflen
02-21-2005, 04:36 PM
Where's my prozac!

here you go... :smile:
:prozac

Clembasbal
02-23-2005, 02:42 PM
This is probably a pipe dream, but what about adding a Hotel flush with the end of the Stadium Club and Upper Deck? it could be designed any way you like, and offer Patio views of the Field

Now that two other people posted in the last two days, I figure that I am not bringing up a dead thread...but whatever, it was already brought to life yesterday.

Anyway, I love this idea and I had this idea about a year or two ago. There really are not a lot of hotels in the area, except for along I-57 and downtown. If the Sox build one, they not only will get more people from the Chicagoland area, they will also get more people from out of the state.

People will stay there for at least two days and they will be attend two games. I just think that more people will go to the park, I mean driving from Rockford and Perioa are a pain in the butt, but if you can stay overnight in the White Sox hotel and attend two games in two days...people will think it is great! Heck if people decide to do that, they give them a coupon for free CTA travel downtown or a 50% pizza somewhere, something to get them to stay for a while and attend a few games.

Ol' No. 2
02-23-2005, 02:46 PM
Now that two other people posted in the last two days, I figure that I am not bringing up a dead thread...but whatever, it was already brought to life yesterday.

Anyway, I love this idea and I had this idea about a year or two ago. There really are not a lot of hotels in the area, except for along I-57 and downtown. If the Sox build one, they not only will get more people from the Chicagoland area, they will also get more people from out of the state.

People will stay there for at least two days and they will be attend two games. I just think that more people will go to the park, I mean driving from Rockford and Perioa are a pain in the butt, but if you can stay overnight in the White Sox hotel and attend two games in two days...people will think it is great! Heck if people decide to do that, they give them a coupon for free CTA travel downtown or a 50% pizza somewhere, something to get them to stay for a while and attend a few games.Who's going to stay there when there's no baseball? Kinda hard to keep a hotel in the black when it's empty six months a year.

Clembasbal
02-23-2005, 04:38 PM
Who's going to stay there when there's no baseball? Kinda hard to keep a hotel in the black when it's empty six months a year.

I hear you loud and clear. Maybe it will help boom the area. (Coming from a former urban planner). This might help bring back Bronzeville more, give it a hotel to work with. Might help out the Sox, and their fans, and it might be a cheap alternative to downtown during the winter months from out-of-towners. Heck if it is $100 cheaper than staying downtown, a lot of businesses will use it. Heck, you can use it for McCormick Place, and a ton of other things. I hear you when you say it will be tough to not be in the red during the off-season, but I am sure they will make-do and the Sox don't have to be the only ones who use it...just give a preference to ones who are going to the games.

Also, JR might like this idea, open up the Cell during the offseason to small conventions and small meetings. Maybe businesses will buy into it, stay at a hotel on-site and have a meeting in one of the suites at US Cellular Field.

Ol' No. 2
02-23-2005, 04:55 PM
I hear you loud and clear. Maybe it will help boom the area. (Coming from a former urban planner). This might help bring back Bronzeville more, give it a hotel to work with. Might help out the Sox, and their fans, and it might be a cheap alternative to downtown during the winter months from out-of-towners. Heck if it is $100 cheaper than staying downtown, a lot of businesses will use it. Heck, you can use it for McCormick Place, and a ton of other things. I hear you when you say it will be tough to not be in the red during the off-season, but I am sure they will make-do and the Sox don't have to be the only ones who use it...just give a preference to ones who are going to the games.

Also, JR might like this idea, open up the Cell during the offseason to small conventions and small meetings. Maybe businesses will buy into it, stay at a hotel on-site and have a meeting in one of the suites at US Cellular Field.They already have a small, but very nice conference center there. Holds maybe 50-60 people in the biggest room IIRC and there are 2-3 smaller rooms. Redevelopment is slowly working its way down from the south loop. And Bronzeville is already starting to get people moving in and redeveloping some of those great old houses along King drive. In a few years something like that might be feasible, but I think it's too soon. You'd lose your shirt before it really turned around.

Clembasbal
02-23-2005, 05:09 PM
They already have a small, but very nice conference center there. Holds maybe 50-60 people in the biggest room IIRC and there are 2-3 smaller rooms. Redevelopment is slowly working its way down from the south loop. And Bronzeville is already starting to get people moving in and redeveloping some of those great old houses along King drive. In a few years something like that might be feasible, but I think it's too soon. You'd lose your shirt before it really turned around.

So myabe a hotel is not that bad of an idea. It is just too soon? I can see that. I just think that it will be a good idea, whether it is next year or in ten years - it will be beneficial.

na_na_na_na
02-23-2005, 05:10 PM
This hotel idea is a good one. Things that might make it worthwhile for the sox:

1) During Homestands- gives incentives for people from out of town to stay and see a couple more games
2) Sox Rent out the Stadium Club for Weddings and other events. Having a Hotel on site would enhance the appeal by giving smashed people a place to stay.
3) Close enough to Downtown that it could attract business travelers/ conventioneers.
4) Gives parents with kids at IIT an attractive place to stay.
5) Depending on size could open up the possibility of having sox fest at the park.

Ol' No. 2
02-23-2005, 05:14 PM
This hotel idea is a good one. Things that might make it worthwhile for the sox:

1) During Homestands- gives incentives for people from out of town to stay and see a couple more games
2) Sox Rent out the Stadium Club for Weddings and other events. Having a Hotel on site would enhance the appeal by giving smashed people a place to stay.
3) Close enough to Downtown that it could attract business travelers/ conventioneers.
4) Gives parents with kids at IIT an attractive place to stay.
5) Depending on size could open up the possibility of having sox fest at the park.It all depends on how redevelopment proceeds. I can see not only a hotel but movie theaters, shopping, restaurants and all the other things that come with redevelopment. Maybe it will be 5 years. More likely 10 or more. But I think it will happen.

Ol' No. 2
02-23-2005, 06:11 PM
:(: :fans I WANT TO PLAY TOO !!! :whiner: DID ANY BODY GIVE A THOUGHT TO POSTS 227 AND 230 (BLACK LABS RULE) ABOUT WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT THE RIGHT FIELD SIDE OF THE STADIUM ?? JUST PICTURE A HOOTERS, PICTURES OF BEER,HALF DRESSED WOMEN IN THE SOX COLORS SERVING YOU CHICKEN WINGS AND THROWING CHICKEN WING BONES FROM THE PATIO AT CUB FANS DURING THE SUBWAY SERIES. THAT WOULD MAKE THE PARK UNIQUE AND BRING IN CONSTANT MONEY YEAR ROUND EVEN DURING THE OFF SEASON. I CANT BELIEVE NO ONE IS JUMPING ON THE NEW MC CUDDYS BAR IDEAL !!!!! YOU ARE SOX FANS RIGHT????? WILL SOMBODY PLEASE PAT ME ON THE BACK FOR MY GREAT IDEALS:whiner:That's certainly something you can never have enough of, drunks throwing food around.

WikdChiSoxFan
02-23-2005, 06:21 PM
:welcome: Welcome to WSI!

Quit yer whinin'!

I like the idea of kids on one side...adults on the other. But Hooters is no good!! We've already got the stadium club and the bullpen bar and now a new restaurant under the scout seats. But I think a seperate beer garden from the main concourse would be a good idea to get the belligerent drunks away from the families trying to get to the fan deck or the new era cap shop. Although, I don't particuallarly care for the projectile vomit above the concourse and fans. And will fans take a climb to get to this place? Perhaps if the beer is 50 cents cheaper?

By the way, does anybody know if the new fandemonium area is going to be connected to the upper concourse as well?

SoxEd
02-23-2005, 06:52 PM
Hey blacklabs, you tryin to start this (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=27839&highlight=shower) hoary old chestnut all over again?

kitekrazy
02-24-2005, 03:02 PM
Id' blow it up and ressurect the old one. I miss the old one when homers weren't cheap.
I'd try to extend the fences. It's a hitters park. IF the Sox are trying to change their style of play then make the stadium for that.