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jlh0023
01-08-2005, 06:39 PM
Now that we've got the catcher slot filled, what's our next top priority. I like Iguchi, but i wouldn't call middle infield our top priority, Uribe and Harris are not ideal, but they can hold their own. I'm personally not satisfied with the bullpen. I'd like to get a proven closer and use shingo as a specialist or set up man. Our bullpen has improved but Shingo was getting less effective as last year proceeded and I don't trust him as an everyday closer.

konerko1413
01-08-2005, 07:04 PM
it is deffinately a middle infielder, if willie or uribe go down there is no one on the bench to back them up....

however, if they feel comfortable with valdez i think they should stay the way they are until july, with extra money (supposedly 2mil) in the bank, it will at least give them some flexibility to get what they need for the second half (reinsdorf may give KW more if we are in the race)

my idea would be (given there are no big injuries by then) and thomas is not back, lok for either another DH or a rightfielder and move dye to DH

WhiteSoxFan84
01-08-2005, 07:06 PM
Other. Their next priority is getting to spring training and building that team chemistry. We have at least 6 new faces (Pod, Dye, A.J., El Duque, Hermanson, Vizcaino) that need to blend in with the rest of the team. I've had a change of heart. I want Willie Harris playing 2B next year. If we can get Iguchi, awesome. If Cora is our other option, I'd rather save the dough and use Harris.

konerko1413
01-08-2005, 07:21 PM
Now that we've got the catcher slot filled, what's our next top priority. I like Iguchi, but i wouldn't call middle infield our top priority, Uribe and Harris are not ideal, but they can hold their own. I'm personally not satisfied with the bullpen. I'd like to get a proven closer and use shingo as a specialist or set up man. Our bullpen has improved but Shingo was getting less effective as last year proceeded and I don't trust him as an everyday closer.
thats an odd thing to say about shingo considering after his first couple of starts he gave up no runs from april 23 to june 29. this was a span of 26.2 innings, added to geather its one out away from a complete game. at this time his era was 0.92,

in the last two months he gave up a combined 11 runs, and in september/oct(3 games in october) he only gave up two runs and watched his era drop from 2.56 on sept. 3rd down to 2.31 on october 3rd... considering how good he did in japan i have no reason to suspect this was a fluke

johnny_mostil
01-08-2005, 07:41 PM
thats an odd thing to say about shingo considering after his first couple of starts he gave up no runs from april 23 to june 29. this was a span of 26.2 innings, added to geather its one out away from a complete game. at this time his era was 0.92,

in the last two months he gave up a combined 11 runs, and in september/oct(3 games in october) he only gave up two runs and watched his era drop from 2.56 on sept. 3rd down to 2.31 on october 3rd... considering how good he did in japan i have no reason to suspect this was a fluke
Consider this: we all fixate on the frisbees and the other junk, but the guy can throw a 88+mph fastball once in a while. He'd get killed trying to live on it, but that 68mph change is tough to time when you can't completely discount the #1.

I've seen at least three dire forecasts that the league is catching up with him, which don't survive examination. The key things that could derail Shingo are a run of back luck (always possible) or an injury (always possible). The guy has ice water for blood so I don't see him breaking down mentally, and there's statistical counterevidence that teams aren't adjusting to his pitching style. If anything he'll benefit from the bullpen full of upper 90s power pitchers.

batmanZoSo
01-08-2005, 07:45 PM
Consider this: we all fixate on the frisbees and the other junk, but the guy can throw a 88+mph fastball once in a while. He'd get killed trying to live on it, but that 68mph change is tough to time when you can't completely discount the #1.

I've seen at least three dire forecasts that the league is catching up with him, which don't survive examination. The key things that could derail Shingo are a run of back luck (always possible) or an injury (always possible). The guy has ice water for blood so I don't see him breaking down mentally, and there's statistical counterevidence that teams aren't adjusting to his pitching style. If anything he'll benefit from the bullpen full of upper 90s power pitchers.
The 87-88 mph fastball is what makes him legit. And he goes a lot lower than 68 at times, too. He's also got the make-up (stones).

johnny_mostil
01-08-2005, 07:57 PM
Our bullpen has improved but Shingo was getting less effective as last year proceeded and I don't trust him as an everyday closer.
No he wasn't. It was coincidental. Yes, he got hit in August: by Boston (2x2 runs) and Philadelphia (2 runs) in 3 marginal, Billy Koch style saves; and he gave up a three-run dinger in early August to the Indians for his only save. But in September he let in 2 earned runs in 11 2/3 innings again.

Boston got him for four runs in two games in August. They also kicked Mariano Rivera around twice last season in the regular season and then got him again in the playoffs because they can hit. The only trend in Takatsu's season supported by the evidence is this: he faced teams in August that routinely beat even the best closers to death.

zach074
01-08-2005, 09:05 PM
I don't see the sox getting anyone else, I think this team is set.

delben91
01-08-2005, 09:09 PM
I don't see the sox getting anyone else, I think this team is set.
I'm with zach on this one. Bring on spring training.

gobears1987
01-08-2005, 09:11 PM
There is something to get, someone to replace Frank when he's gone for 2 months. We also could use a new 3rd baseman unless Joe really gets going.

zach074
01-08-2005, 09:13 PM
There is something to get, someone to replace Frank when he's gone for 2 months. We also could use a new 3rd baseman unless Joe really gets going.
We have Everet and Crede will still get a chance, and will prove himself.

Chisox003
01-08-2005, 09:26 PM
I voted Middle Infielder, just because we need another option for 2B and SS, and it would allow alot more flexibility by signing Cora or Iguchi....

But closer was definitely a close 2nd, because I really do not know what to expect from Shingo this year....I hope, that with those hard throwers ahead of him (Marte, Pollitte, Vizcaino), Shingo can come in and throw whatever he throws and is just as effective as he was last year....To say he struggled at the end of the season is a little unfair, because the bullpen was in horrible shape, and each guy in there including Shingo was overworked...

We need a Middle Infielder...Shingo should be fine

tsamdog
01-08-2005, 09:30 PM
There is something to get, someone to replace Frank when he's gone for 2 months. We also could use a new 3rd baseman unless Joe really gets going.
I am concerned about Frank's foot injury. As stated in a previous post, stress fractures are fickle injuries, especially with a man Frank's size. He may not come back, period. Is Carl to be considered the long-term replacement, or is this going to be a wait and see approach?

Also, with regard to Shingo, he does what every good pitcher must do to be successful. He works the ball up and down, in and out, and most importantly changes speeds without changing motion(maybe his biggest attribute). We kept hearing how hitters would be on to him "the second time around." Well, the second time (and third, and fourth) has passed. Give him his due and the ball.

gobears1987
01-08-2005, 10:41 PM
We have Everet and Crede will still get a chance, and will prove himself. I know Crede will get a chance to prove himself, and he deserves one. But what if we are in May and he isn't heating up? Or what if he heats up, and God forbid gets injured? We don't have much depth here.

gobears1987
01-08-2005, 10:43 PM
I am concerned about Frank's foot injury. As stated in a previous post, stress fractures are fickle injuries, especially with a man Frank's size. He may not come back, period. Is Carl to be considered the long-term replacement, or is this going to be a wait and see approach?

Also, with regard to Shingo, he does what every good pitcher must do to be successful. He works the ball up and down, in and out, and most importantly changes speeds without changing motion(maybe his biggest attribute). We kept hearing how hitters would be on to him "the second time around." Well, the second time (and third, and fourth) has passed. Give him his due and the ball.
I'm worried about Frank too. He had a serious injury and I too have doubts on Carl. I'm not blaming KW here as I've been a long time supporter of him and think he's had an awesome off-season.

As for your Shingo comments, you are right 18 saves in 19 attempts is amazing. When was the last time a Sox pitcher did that?

BRDSR
01-08-2005, 10:46 PM
thats an odd thing to say about shingo considering after his first couple of starts he gave up no runs from april 23 to june 29. this was a span of 26.2 innings, added to geather its one out away from a complete game.
Actually, 26.2 innings is one out away from 3 complete games. He also had a span of retiring 28 or 29 consecutive batters. I remember being at the game when he recorded his 27th consecutive out which, put together, would equal one perfect game. That was definitely my favorite month or so of the 2004 season, as it also coincided to some degree with Lee's hit streak...I think.

kaufsox
01-08-2005, 11:03 PM
I voted for middle infield, but the closer discussion intrigued me. I love watching Shingo, but there were times that it felt like a highwire act. I'm not worried about the entire AL catching up to him, but I am a little scared about the AL Central. Seeing Shingo 19 times has got to make facing him easier. The best thing about today? My 9 game plan tickets arrived today!! See you on opening day! We should have a gathering somewhere pre-game...

SpammySosa
01-08-2005, 11:08 PM
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