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WhiteSoxNation
01-08-2005, 05:14 PM
Uribe .280/25/75/12sb
Pods .290/10/60/50sb
Thomas .270/35/100
Dye .270/25/80
Pierzynski .300/12/65
Rowand .305/25/75/25sb
Crede .260/25/80
Harris .280/0/35/35sb
Konerko .290/35/110

Buehrle: 17-10 3.50era 245ip
Garcia: 20-9 3.55era 215ip
Harnandez 16-11 3.90era 180ip
Garland 16-10 4.10era 210ip <------------solid outta the 5th spot.
Contreras 14-14 4.50era 180ip

Shingo 30saves 2.50era
Marte 2.25era
Vizciano 1.75era <---Set-up man of the year.
Cotts 4.50era
Adkins 3.99era
Hermanson 3.75era

RKMeibalane
01-08-2005, 05:23 PM
Joe Crede will not be more productive than Aaron Rowand. The 2005 season is Crede's last stand. If he can't get his head out of his ass, he's gone.

WhiteSoxNation
01-08-2005, 05:25 PM
Joe Crede will not be more productive than Aaron Rowand. The 2005 season is Crede's last stand. If he can't get his head out of his ass, he's gone.
He's not more productive, 5 more RBI are nothing when u add runs, scored, doubles, triples, and stoeln beses, rowand will manufacture more runs.

Rowand 100-110runs Crede maybe 80 atmost.

chisoxmike
01-08-2005, 05:29 PM
Buehrle 17 wins
Garcia 16 wins
El Duque 13 wins
Contreras 12 wins
Garland 12 wins

total 70wins

Can the bullpen pullout 20+ victories?

konerko1413
01-08-2005, 05:43 PM
Pods .296/11/57/62sb
Rowand .311/27/82/22sb
Thomas .305/33/95
Konerko .312/45/123
Dye .291/34/93
Uribe .283/22/68/24sb
Pierzynski .289/18/74
Crede .278/27/76
Harris .277/0/48/33sb


Buehrle: 17-9 3.68era 239ip
Garcia: 20-8 3.45era 215ip
Harnandez 15-10 3.90era 174ip
Garland 16-11 4.00era 220ip
Contreras 15-12 3.790era 187ip

Takatsu 36saves 2.10era
Marte 12saves 3.15era
Politte 9saves 4.10era
Vizciano 2.15era
Cotts 3.65era
Hermanson 3.75era
Adkins 4.10era
(i think adkins or hermansan start in AAA after we know who is the utility)

Gload .264/12/42
Perez .272/2/29
Davis .269/14/50
Everett .278/18/69

Mohoney
01-08-2005, 05:48 PM
Uribe: .265/.330 22HR 73RBI
Pods: .303/.385 8HR 41RBI 73SB 18CS
Thomas: .305/.460 36HR 131RBI (All-Star)
Dye: .280/.350 33HR 106RBI (All-Star)
Pierzynski: .285/.313 15HR 75RBI
Rowand: .285/.365 25HR 60RBI 31SB 9CS
Crede: .245/.305 22HR 65RBI
Harris: .275/.355 3HR 31RBI 41SB 14CS
Konerko: .275/.345 33HR 122RBI

Buehrle: 18-8 3.73 240.2IP (All-Star)
Garcia: 17-8 3.65 228IP
Harnandez: 15-6 3.91 181.1IP
Garland: 12-15 4.71 212.1IP
Contreras: 14-7 4.25 204.2IP

Shingo: 3.13 46SV (All-Star)
Marte: 3.29 4SV
Vizciano: 3.71
Cotts: 4.43
Adkins: Not on the team, substituted with: Politte 3.93 2SV
Hermanson: 3.53 3SV

WhiteSoxNation
01-08-2005, 05:49 PM
Davis .269/14/50
LOL a career year off the bench.

konerko1413
01-08-2005, 06:00 PM
LOL a career year off the bench.
i think they will still keep a platoon, i hope it does like this for the batteries

Buehrle>Pierzinski
Garcia>Pierzinski
Hernandez>Davis (davis has stronger arm for el duque's delivery)
Contreras>Pierzinski
Garland>Davis (Davis and Garland will be more familiar and if garland is to succeed he needs to be comfortable every game)
(i also have the idea to sub davis for aj and timo for dye in the later innings to have the best defense, if the score allows)

(all will change depending on opposition, pitchers handiness, any split sats..ect.)

Chisox003
01-08-2005, 06:09 PM
I like everything posted here, but I think you guys are a little too hopeful for Shingo...I really dont see him getting all these saves your predicting, but I hope Im wrong...I think his ERA will be a lot higher than last year's, and Politte or Vizcaino will have to step in at some points and close...I hope not though

mantis1212
01-08-2005, 06:26 PM
Buehrle 17 wins
Garcia 16 wins
El Duque 13 wins
Contreras 12 wins
Garland 12 wins

total 70wins

Can the bullpen pullout 20+ victories?
They had 21 last year...

BigHurt09
01-08-2005, 08:12 PM
i think they will still keep a platoon, i hope it does like this for the batteries

Buehrle>Pierzinski
Garcia>Pierzinski
Hernandez>Davis (davis has stronger arm for el duque's delivery)
Contreras>Pierzinski
Garland>Davis (Davis and Garland will be more familiar and if garland is to succeed he needs to be comfortable every game)
(i also have the idea to sub davis for aj and timo for dye in the later innings to have the best defense, if the score allows)

(all will change depending on opposition, pitchers handiness, any split sats..ect.)

I think davis would catch for contreras and hernandez because he can speak spanish

batmanZoSo
01-08-2005, 08:15 PM
Unlike some of you guys, I don't see anyone with a sub-4 other than Mark. Not that that'll be bad, but he's the only one who's ever done it for a full year at the Cell.

Buehrle 20-8 3.76
Garcia 17-10 4.06
Contreras 14-9 4.35
Hernandez 10-7 4.01

Shingo 3.01 ERA 34 saves


And I'll do a few hitters who I think are reasonably predictable

Podsednik .275 10 66 44 steals
Rowand .288 24 84 23 steals
Konerko .287 34 101
Pierzynski .301 13 72
Uribe .269 21 77

johnny_mostil
01-08-2005, 08:46 PM
i think they will still keep a platoon, i hope it does like this for the batteries

Buehrle>Pierzinski
Garcia>Pierzinski
Hernandez>Davis (davis has stronger arm for el duque's delivery)
Contreras>Pierzinski
Garland>Davis (Davis and Garland will be more familiar and if garland is to succeed he needs to be comfortable every game)
(i also have the idea to sub davis for aj and timo for dye in the later innings to have the best defense, if the score allows)

(all will change depending on opposition, pitchers handiness, any split sats..ect.)
Not gonna happen. AJ will play 80% of the time when he's healthy -- because he always has.

batmanZoSo
01-08-2005, 08:51 PM
Not gonna happen. AJ will play 80% of the time when he's healthy -- because he always has.
Yeah, you don't sign someone for 3 million or whatever it was to be a platoon guy. If he plays less than four out of five days, he better be hurt.

buehrle4cy05
01-08-2005, 09:34 PM
All Star appearances by:
Paul Konerko
Aaron Rowand
Mark Buehrle
Freddy Garcia
Shingo Takatsu

WhiteSoxNation
01-08-2005, 11:44 PM
Unlike some of you guys, I don't see anyone with a sub-4 other than Mark. Not that that'll be bad, but he's the only one who's ever done it for a full year at the Cell.

Buehrle 20-8 3.76
Garcia 17-10 4.06
Contreras 14-9 4.35
Hernandez 10-7 4.01

Shingo 3.01 ERA 34 saves


And I'll do a few hitters who I think are reasonably predictable

Podsednik .275 10 66 44 steals
Rowand .288 24 84 23 steals
Konerko .287 34 101
Pierzynski .301 13 72
Uribe .269 21 77
Ur killing Uribe and Hernandez, Garcia was like 8-2 w/ a -4era w/ the sox so y wouldnt he do good...Pods only 44steals? And there's no problem w/ shingo it seems everyone is creating one.

PicktoCLick72
01-09-2005, 12:34 AM
Originally Posted by buehrle4cy05
All Star appearances by:
Paul Konerko
Aaron Rowand
Mark Buehrle
Freddy Garcia
Shingo TakatsuWith Joe Torre not there to pick his annual eleven Yankees to be on the team, this actually has a chance of happening.

The_Cheesiest_Idiot
01-09-2005, 02:15 AM
Unlike some of you guys, I don't see anyone with a sub-4 other than Mark. Not that that'll be bad, but he's the only one who's ever done it for a full year at the Cell.

Buehrle 20-8 3.76
Garcia 17-10 4.06
Contreras 14-9 4.35
Hernandez 10-7 4.01

Shingo 3.01 ERA 34 saves


And I'll do a few hitters who I think are reasonably predictable

Podsednik .275 10 66 44 steals
Rowand .288 24 84 23 steals
Konerko .287 34 101
Pierzynski .301 13 72
Uribe .269 21 77i'd say that's about right. except for garcia's era. i'm gonna guess 3.85 and i don't think buehrle will win 20. more like 18. waaaay too much kool aid drinking in this thread. and those that want davis to get alot of playing time...(and i know some of you like stats) pitchers had a 5.15 era when he caught and ben only hit .231 with the sox

The_Cheesiest_Idiot
01-09-2005, 02:16 AM
With Joe Torre not there to pick his annual eleven Yankees to be on the team, this actually has a chance of happening.
nope. there are gonna be 11 red sox.

Bisco Stu
01-09-2005, 03:33 AM
AJ will get 85 RBI's

eastchicagosoxfan
01-09-2005, 07:57 AM
Hurt can put up some big numbers if healthy. Last year, he was on pace for 40+ dingers, over 100 rbi's, and hit .290, at least. If he stays healthy, and that's a huge if, but he did it two years ago, in this steriodless league, he could put up MVP numbers. Especially if this team performs as well as many people expect it too. So here's my prediction for Big Frank:

.300 AVG
42 homers
115 rbi's
110 runs
.600 slugging pct.

American League MVP on the American League champs. I realize this is wildly optimistic, but he was having a really good season last year until he was injured.

uribeisgod5
01-09-2005, 10:56 AM
Hurt can put up some big numbers if healthy. Last year, he was on pace for 40+ dingers, over 100 rbi's, and hit .290, at least. If he stays healthy, and that's a huge if, but he did it two years ago, in this steriodless league, he could put up MVP numbers. Especially if this team performs as well as many people expect it too. So here's my prediction for Big Frank:

.300 AVG
42 homers
115 rbi's
110 runs
.600 slugging pct.

American League MVP on the American League champs. I realize this is wildly optimistic, but he was having a really good season last year until he was injured.
This seems alittle high for someone who wont be playing a full season, and probly will get his season cut short by injury again

doublem23
01-09-2005, 11:16 AM
All Star appearances by:
Paul Konerko
Aaron Rowand
Mark Buehrle
Freddy Garcia
Shingo Takatsu
:rolleyes:

The FOLIPs must be going crazy reading this thread.

John Barrett
01-09-2005, 11:56 AM
Hope Springs eternal people!!! there will be enough time to complain when/if it doesn't pan out good. I myself feel better about the 05 Sox than I have in awhile... don't bring me down until you have too! :supernana:

batmanZoSo
01-09-2005, 12:03 PM
i'd say that's about right. except for garcia's era. i'm gonna guess 3.85 and i don't think buehrle will win 20. more like 18. waaaay too much kool aid drinking in this thread. and those that want davis to get alot of playing time...(and i know some of you like stats) pitchers had a 5.15 era when he caught and ben only hit .231 with the sox
How do two wins consitute Kool-Aid? Mark could've won 20 probably two times already with a little more help. Take away corpseball and he will, believe me. I think this is the year we'll finally stop seeing that every other day.

Jerome
01-09-2005, 02:03 PM
Captain! The optimism-o-meter is going off-the-charts!

MrRoboto83
01-09-2005, 04:38 PM
since Frank will probably be out for a while I think this could happen


Gload .305 30HR 100RBI


I like to dream

konerko1413
01-09-2005, 04:43 PM
since Frank will probably be out for a while I think this could happen


Gload .305 30HR 100RBI


I like to dream
hey i dont think anyone could remain a sox fan without dreaming... i quote the greatest band ever, aerosmith.... Dream On!, Dream On!

i know i will be

MrRoboto83
01-09-2005, 04:54 PM
hey i dont think anyone could remain a sox fan without dreaming... i quote the greatest band ever, aerosmith.... Dream On!, Dream On!

i know i will be

true!

And while I'm still dreaming


Willie Harris .325 11HR 67RBI 40SB

SouthSideHitman
01-09-2005, 06:15 PM
Uribe .283/22/68/24sb

24 SB from Uribe? That seems pretty optimistic to me, the guy is quick enough for the middle infield, but he isn't fast. I would say that the real key to this year is whether Ozzie starts managing like we're a different teams in terms of speed/defense/etc, rather than just saying that we are, as in past years. Effective sacrifice bunts will be key. Also, Frank needs to be healthy, if he gets most of the season at DH, we'll be doing a lot better than with Caveman Carl.

IMHO Rowand, Posednik, Pierzynski, Bueherle, Marte and Vizcaino will have big years, while Dye, Uribe, Crede and Polittle will all fall below expectations, with everyone else just about matching them. At least that's how I see the numbers panning out, but as the Twins taught us with their terrible Pythagonport win %s, numbers don't tell it all. I think that rather than playing below their potential, this year's Sox will be greater than the sum of their parts (which is too bad to begin with). Call me a dewey-eyed optimist or just a tired Sox fan selling himself something to get through January.

Mingo
01-09-2005, 06:42 PM
I agree with the point about how Ozzie manages. Or, more to the point, whether Rock Raines can teach baserunning to Willie Harris and Uribe and the rest of the team and whether the Sox can execute the hit and run and lay down a good bunt.

chisox1388
01-09-2005, 07:20 PM
I'm gonna say:

Podsednik- .303, 12 hrs, 58 rbi, 63 sb
Rowand- .287, 22 hrs, 73 rbi, 19 sb
Thomas (if healthy from April)- .285, 37 hrs, 123 rbi
Konerko- .301, 34 hrs, 108 rbi
Dye- .291, 31 hrs, 112 rbi
Pierzynski- .310, 19 hrs, 85 rbi
Uribe- .276, 20 hrs, 78 rbi, 16 sb
Crede- ,253, 23 hrs, 72 rbi
Harris- ,268, 1 hr, 42 rbi, 32 sb

Buehrle- 19-7, 3.28 era
Garcia- 21-5, 3.46 era, 230 ks
Contreras- 16-9, 4.06 era
Hernandez- 14-11, 4.36 era
Garland- 15-7, 4.45 era

Shingo- 32 saves, 3.28 era
Marte- 8 saves, 2.76 era
Vizcaino- 2.12 era
Hermanson- 4.24 era
Politte- 4.12 era

Final record- 94-68

Nick@Nite
01-09-2005, 07:51 PM
Davis .269/14/50If KW can't swing a deal to bolster 2B/SS using production like that as trade bait, then there's no hope for 2005.

:)

BridgePortNative
01-09-2005, 08:26 PM
I think people are really doubting Shingo. Have we not forgotten that he leads all Japanese pitchers in saves so he can stay consitant. I say a sub 3 ERA. :dtroll:

The_Cheesiest_Idiot
01-09-2005, 09:24 PM
How do two wins consitute Kool-Aid? Mark could've won 20 probably two times already with a little more help. Take away corpseball and he will, believe me. I think this is the year we'll finally stop seeing that every other day.
The kool-aid comment wasn't meant for you. your predictions were realistic. every other prediction wasn't. you saw some of those konkerko predictions? wow!

schlomo
01-09-2005, 09:38 PM
Uribe .268/18/64
Pods .255/3/54/ 40+ sb
Thomas .270/11/34 - injured
Dye .254/31/87
Pierzynski .267/12/65
Rowand .302/22/78
Crede .240/22/66
Harris .267/3/33
Konerko .290/37/105

Buehrle: 14-14 4.15era 222ip
Garcia: 14-14 4.55era 225ip
Harnandez 6-10 5.41era 112ip
Garland 12-14 4.55era 215ip
Contreras 13-14 4.76era 166ip

Shingo 30saves 3.14era
Marte 3.25era
Vizciano 3.75era
Cotts 4.80era
Adkins 4.85era
Hermanson 4.00era

wsbaseball9
01-09-2005, 09:43 PM
konerko and frank hit 40+ homers a peice
pods has 40+ SB

freddy and marc both pull 20 or around 20 wins

shingo gets 40 saves


itll happen just watch

batmanZoSo
01-09-2005, 10:26 PM
Ur killing Uribe and Hernandez, Garcia was like 8-2 w/ a -4era w/ the sox so y wouldnt he do good...Pods only 44steals? And there's no problem w/ shingo it seems everyone is creating one.
Aw jeez...why get nitpicky with predictions? For starters, Garcia had a 4.46 era with us. It was 3.81 for the entire year, split about 100 innings for each team. And Pods didn't steal near 70 the year before last. Steals fluctuate a lot from year to year. He's not Rickey Henderson, that's all....maybe he'll steal 70 again, but I don't think he will. Not that I'm selling him terribly short anyway.

CubKilla
01-09-2005, 10:49 PM
:rolleyes:

The FOLIPs must be going crazy reading this thread.Crazy from laughter. The numbers being put up in hopes of '05 success should put the White Sox in the World Series if they pan out.

The only one not smoking Sox crack is schlomo.

konerko1413
01-09-2005, 10:59 PM
24 SB from Uribe? That seems pretty optimistic to me, the guy is quick enough for the middle infield, but he isn't fast. I would say that the real key to this year is whether Ozzie starts managing like we're a different teams in terms of speed/defense/etc, rather than just saying that we are, as in past years. Effective sacrifice bunts will be key. Also, Frank needs to be healthy, if he gets most of the season at DH, we'll be doing a lot better than with Caveman Carl.

IMHO Rowand, Posednik, Pierzynski, Bueherle, Marte and Vizcaino will have big years, while Dye, Uribe, Crede and Polittle will all fall below expectations, with everyone else just about matching them. At least that's how I see the numbers panning out, but as the Twins taught us with their terrible Pythagonport win %s, numbers don't tell it all. I think that rather than playing below their potential, this year's Sox will be greater than the sum of their parts (which is too bad to begin with). Call me a dewey-eyed optimist or just a tired Sox fan selling himself something to get through January.i say this cuz i am expecting the uribe (6-hole) and pierzinski (7-hole) to be the best hit and run combo in baseball, and hit and runs dont always go as planned, so as uribe will be on the move a hell of alot more often, he will be thrown out more, but will have more steals, im not sayin he will steal 24 outta 29, im sayin somethin like 24 outta 40

JRIG
01-10-2005, 04:07 AM
Captain! The optimism-o-meter is going off-the-charts!
The White Sox will score 1100 runs, bat .285 as a team, and have a 3.75 team ERA. What's so hard to believe about that?

mdep524
01-10-2005, 10:37 AM
IMO, its too early to do this, with the team not being complete (I'm holding out for a better 2B). But since this thread is here already anyway, here would be my predictions.

Podsednik .269/7/50 43 SBs
Rowand .285/22/79
Thomas .272/24/75 (misses over a month)
Konerko .279/37/107
Dye .270/30/89
Pierzynski .273/9/65
Uribe .268/19/65
Crede .262/24/67
Harris .260/2/30

Buehrle 18-11 3.96 ERA
Garcia 17-10 4.10
Hernandez 12-6 4.15
Garland 12-12 4.35
Contreras 8-13 5.28 - bust

Takatsu 32 SV, 3.64 ERA
Marte 3.70
Vizcaino 4.65 - somewhat of a bust
Hermanson 4.20
Politte 4.50
Cotts 4.20

Dadawg_77
01-10-2005, 11:33 AM
Quick and dirty
______avg / OBP / SLG
Pods .260/.300 / .400
Rowand .280/.330 /.525
Thomas .260 /.430 / .550
Konerko .270 / .350 / .530
Dye .280 / .340 / .500
AJ .280 / .320 / .450
Uribe .260 / .300 / .500
Crede .240 / .300 / .430
Harris .280 / .365 / .340

Pitching
1 Burhle 15-12 3.89
2 Garcia 12-14 4.67
3 El Duque 18-9 3.56
4 Contreras 12-12 5.14
5 Garland 12-12 4.50

Team 81 - 81.

Hangar18
01-10-2005, 12:10 PM
Jermaine Dye, .250, 18 HR, 50 RBI

Scott Podsednik, 260, 2 HR, 40 RBI

Uribe=MVP
01-10-2005, 05:26 PM
How do you guys blindly guess at numbers? Who thought Shingo would even be a part of the bullpen after the way he looked in Spring Training last year? Who expected Aaron Rowand to bust out so convincingly (I had an inkling but I never thought he would become a fringe All-Star candidate)? There are so many things that happen during a season which prevent people from predicting anything, much less exact stats.

Players to watch:
Dye (if healthy his power numbers should go up in the Cell)
El Duque (for some reason I expect a solid 3rd starter-esque season out of him)
Vizcaino (afterthought in the Lee trade will be the player that justifies it)
Uribe (will continue to develop into a top 5 AL SS)
Jamie Burke (will get the call when Davis struggles for the first 2 months and continue to hit, just like he has done everywhere he's been)